Return to Video

How synthetic biology could wipe out humanity -- and how we can stop it

  • Not Synced
    So there's about
    seven and a half billion of us.
  • Not Synced
    The World Health Organization tells us
    that 300 million of us are depressed,
  • Not Synced
    and about 800,000 people
    take their lives every year.
  • Not Synced
    A tiny subset of them choose
    a profoundly nihilistic route,
  • Not Synced
    which is they die in the act
    of killing as many people as possible.
  • Not Synced
    These are some famous recent examples.
  • Not Synced
    And here's a less famous one.
    It happened about nine weeks ago.
  • Not Synced
    If you don't remember it,
  • Not Synced
    it's because there's
    a lot of this going on.
  • Not Synced
    Wikipedia just last year
    counted 323 mass shootings
  • Not Synced
    in my home country, the United States.
  • Not Synced
    Not all of those shooters were suicidal,
  • Not Synced
    not all of them were maximizing
    their death tolls,
  • Not Synced
    but many, many were.
  • Not Synced
    An important question becomes,
    what limits do these people have?
  • Not Synced
    Take the Vegas shooter.
  • Not Synced
    He slaughtered 58 people.
  • Not Synced
    Did he stop there because he'd had enough?
  • Not Synced
    No, and we know this because
    he shot and injured another 422 people
  • Not Synced
    who he surely would have
    preferred to kill.
  • Not Synced
    We have no reason to think
    he would have stopped 4,200.
  • Not Synced
    In fact, with somebody this nihilistic,
    he may well have gladly killed us all.
  • Not Synced
    We don't know.
  • Not Synced
    What we do know is this:
  • Not Synced
    when suicidal murderers really go all in,
  • Not Synced
    technology is the force multiplier.
  • Not Synced
    Here's an example.
  • Not Synced
    Several years back, there was a rash
    of 10 mass school attacks in China
  • Not Synced
    carried out with things
    like knives and hammers and cleavers
  • Not Synced
    because guns are really hard to get there.
  • Not Synced
    By macabre coincidence, this last attack
  • Not Synced
    occurred just hours before
    the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut.
  • Not Synced
    But that one American attack
    killed roughly the same number of victims
  • Not Synced
    as the 10 Chinese attacks combined.
  • Not Synced
    So we can fairly say,
    knife terrible, gun way worse,
  • Not Synced
    and airplane massively worse,
  • Not Synced
    as pilot Andreas Lubitz showed
    when he forced 149 people
  • Not Synced
    to join him in his suicide
  • Not Synced
    smashing a plane into the French Alps.
  • Not Synced
    And there are other examples of this.
  • Not Synced
    And I'm afraid there are far more deadly
    weapons in our near future than airplanes,
  • Not Synced
    ones not made of meetal.
  • Not Synced
    So let's consider the apocalyptic dynamics
  • Not Synced
    that will ensue
  • Not Synced
    if suicidal mass murder hitches a ride
  • Not Synced
    on a rapidly advancing field
  • Not Synced
    that for the most part
    holds boundless promise for society.
  • Not Synced
    Somewhere out there in the world,
    there's a tiny group of people
  • Not Synced
    who would attempt, however ineptly,
  • Not Synced
    to kill us all if they
    could just figure out how.
  • Not Synced
    The Vegas shooter may or may not
    have been one of them,
  • Not Synced
    but with seven and a half billion of us,
  • Not Synced
    this is a non-zero population.
  • Not Synced
    There's plenty of suicidal
    nihilists out there.
  • Not Synced
    We've already seen that.
  • Not Synced
    There's people with severe mood disorders
    that they can't even control.
  • Not Synced
    There are people who have just suffered
    deranging traumas, etc. etc.
  • Not Synced
    As for the corollary group,
  • Not Synced
    its size was simply zero forever
  • Not Synced
    until the Cold War,
  • Not Synced
    when suddenly the leaders
    of two global alliances
  • Not Synced
    attained the ability to blow up the world.
  • Not Synced
    The number of people
    with actual doomsday buttons
  • Not Synced
    has stayed fairly stable since then,
  • Not Synced
    but I'm afraid it's about to grow,
  • Not Synced
    and not just to three.
  • Not Synced
    This is going off the charts.
  • Not Synced
    I mean, it's going to look
    like a tech business plan.
  • Not Synced
    (Laughter)
  • Not Synced
    And the reason is,
  • Not Synced
    we're in the era
    of exponential technologies,
  • Not Synced
    which routinely
    take eternal impossibilities
  • Not Synced
    and make them the actual superpowers
    of one or two living geniuses
  • Not Synced
    and -- this is the big part --
  • Not Synced
    then diffuse those powers
    to more or less everybody.
  • Not Synced
    Now, here's a benign example.
  • Not Synced
    If you wanted to play checkers
    with a computer in 1952,
  • Not Synced
    you literally had to be that guy,
  • Not Synced
    then commandeer one of the world's
    19 copies of that computer,
  • Not Synced
    then used your Nobel-adjacent brain
    to teach it checkers.
  • Not Synced
    That was the bar.
  • Not Synced
    Today, you just need to know someone
    who knows someone who owns a telephone,
  • Not Synced
    because computing
    is an exponential technology.
  • Not Synced
    So is synthetic biology,
  • Not Synced
    which I'll now refer to as synbio,
  • Not Synced
    and in 2011, a couple of researchers
    did something every bit as ingenious
  • Not Synced
    and unprecedented as the checkers trick
  • Not Synced
    with H5N1 flu.
  • Not Synced
    This is a train that kills
    up to 60 percent of the people it infects,
  • Not Synced
    more than ebola,
  • Not Synced
    but it is so uncontagious
  • Not Synced
    that it's killed fewer
    than 50 people since 2015.
  • Not Synced
    So these researchers edited H5N1's genome
  • Not Synced
    and made it every bit as deadly,
    but also wildly contagious.
  • Not Synced
    The news arm of one of
    the world's top two scientific journals
  • Not Synced
    said if this thing got out,
    it would likely cause a pandemic
  • Not Synced
    with perhaps millions of deaths,
  • Not Synced
    and Dr. Paul Keim said
  • Not Synced
    he could not think of an organism
    as scary as this,
  • Not Synced
    which is the last thing
    I personally want to hear
  • Not Synced
    from the chairman of the National
    Science Advisory Board on Biosecurity.
  • Not Synced
    And by the way, Dr. Keim also said this --
  • Not Synced
    ["I don't think anthrax
    is scary at all compared to this."]
  • Not Synced
    and he's also one of these.
  • Not Synced
    [Anthrax expert]
    (Laughter)
  • Not Synced
    Now, the good news about the 2011 biohack
  • Not Synced
    is that the people who did it
    didn't mean us any harm.
  • Not Synced
    They're virologists.
  • Not Synced
    They believe they were advancing science.
  • Not Synced
    The bad news is that technology
    does not freeze in place,
  • Not Synced
    and over the next few decades,
  • Not Synced
    their feat will become trivially easy.
  • Not Synced
    In fact, it's already way easier,
    because as we learned yesterday morning,
  • Not Synced
    just two years after they did their work,
  • Not Synced
    the CRISPR system was harnessed
    for genome editing.
  • Not Synced
    This was a radical breakthrough
    that makes gene editing massively easier,
  • Not Synced
    so easy that CRISPR
    is now taught in high schools.
  • Not Synced
    And this stuff is moving
    quicker than computing.
  • Not Synced
    That slow, stodgy white line up there?
  • Not Synced
    That's Moore's Law.
  • Not Synced
    That shows us how quickly
    computing is getting cheaper.
  • Not Synced
    That steep, crazy fun green line,
  • Not Synced
    that shows us how quickly
    genetic sequencing is getting cheaper.
  • Not Synced
    Now, gene editing
    and synthesis and sequencing,
  • Not Synced
    they're different disciplines,
    but they're tightly related,
  • Not Synced
    and they're all moving
    in these headlong rates,
  • Not Synced
    and the keys to the kingdom
    are these tiny, tiny data files.
  • Not Synced
    That is an excerpt of H5N1's genome.
  • Not Synced
    The whole thing can fit
    on just a few pages.
  • Not Synced
    And yeah, don't worry, you can Google this
    as soon as you get home.
  • Not Synced
    It's all over the internet, right?
  • Not Synced
    And the part that made it contagious
  • Not Synced
    could well fit on a single post-it note,
  • Not Synced
    and once a genius
  • Not Synced
    makes a data file,
  • Not Synced
    any idiot can copy it,
  • Not Synced
    distribute it worldwide,
  • Not Synced
    or print it.
  • Not Synced
    And I don't mean print it on this,
  • Not Synced
    but soon enough on this.
  • Not Synced
    So let's imagine a scenario.
  • Not Synced
    Let's say it's 2026,
    to pick an arbitrary year,
  • Not Synced
    and a brilliant virologist,
    hoping to advance science
  • Not Synced
    and better understand pandemics,
  • Not Synced
    designs a new bug.
  • Not Synced
    It's as contagious as chicken pox,
  • Not Synced
    it's as deadly as ebola,
  • Not Synced
    and it incubates for months and months
    before causing an outbreak,
  • Not Synced
    so the whole world can be infected
    before the first sign of trouble.
  • Not Synced
    Then, her university gets hacked,
    and of course this is not science fiction.
  • Not Synced
    In fact, just one recent US indictment
  • Not Synced
    documents the hacking
    of over 300 universities.
  • Not Synced
    So that file with the bug's genome on it
  • Not Synced
    spreads to the internet's dark corners,
  • Not Synced
    and once a file is out there,
    it never comes back.
  • Not Synced
    Just ask anybody who runs
    a movie studio or a music label.
  • Not Synced
    So now maybe in 2026,
  • Not Synced
    it would take a true genius
    like our virologist
  • Not Synced
    to make the actual living critter,
  • Not Synced
    but 15 years later,
  • Not Synced
    it may just take a DNA printer
    you can find in any high school.
  • Not Synced
    And if not? Give it a couple of decades.
  • Not Synced
    So, a quick aside.
  • Not Synced
    Remember this slide here?
  • Not Synced
    Turn your attention to these two words.
  • Not Synced
    If somebody tries this,
  • Not Synced
    and is only 0.1 percent effective,
    eight million people die.
  • Not Synced
    That's 2,500 9/11s.
  • Not Synced
    Civilization would survive,
    but it would be permanently disfigured.
  • Not Synced
    So this means we need
    to be concerned about anybody
  • Not Synced
    who has the faintest shot on goal,
    not just geniuses.
  • Not Synced
    So today, there's
    a tiny handful of geniuses
  • Not Synced
    who probably could make a doomsday bug
  • Not Synced
    that's .1 percent effective
    and maybe even a little bit more.
  • Not Synced
    They tend to be stable and successful
    and so not part of this group.
  • Not Synced
    So I guess I'm sorta kinda
    barely OK-ish with that.
  • Not Synced
    But what about after technology improves
  • Not Synced
    and diffuses
  • Not Synced
    and thousands of life science
    grad students are enabled.
  • Not Synced
    Are every single one of them
    going to be perfectly stable?
  • Not Synced
    Or how about a few years after that,
  • Not Synced
    where every stress-ridden
    pre-med is fully enabled?
  • Not Synced
    At some point in that timeframe,
  • Not Synced
    these circles are going to intersect,
  • Not Synced
    because we are now starting to talk about
    hundreds of thousands of people
  • Not Synced
    throughout the world,
  • Not Synced
    and they recently included that guy
  • Not Synced
    who dressed up like the Joker
  • Not Synced
    and shot 12 people to death
    at a Batman premiere.
  • Not Synced
    That was a neuroscience PhD student
  • Not Synced
    with an NIH grant.
  • Not Synced
    OK, plot twist.
  • Not Synced
    I think we can actually survive this one
  • Not Synced
    if we start focusing on it now,
  • Not Synced
    and I say this having spent
    countless hours
  • Not Synced
    interviewing global leaders in synbio
  • Not Synced
    and also researching their work
    for a science podcast I'd create.
  • Not Synced
    I have come to fear their work, in case
    I haven't gotten that out there yet
  • Not Synced
    (Laughter)
  • Not Synced
    but more than that,
    to revere its potential.
  • Not Synced
    This stuff will cure cancer,
    heal our environment,
  • Not Synced
    and stop our cruel treatment
    of other creatures.
  • Not Synced
    So how do we get all this without,
    you know, annihilating ourselves?
  • Not Synced
    First thing, like it or not,
    synbio is here,
  • Not Synced
    so let's embrace the technology.
  • Not Synced
    If we do a tech ban,
  • Not Synced
    that would only hand
    the wheel to bad actors.
  • Not Synced
    Unlike nuclear programs,
  • Not Synced
    biology can be practiced invisibly.
  • Not Synced
    Massive Soviet cheating
    on bioweapons treaties
  • Not Synced
    made that very clear, as does every
    illegal drug lab in the world.
  • Not Synced
    Secondly, enlist the experts.
  • Not Synced
    Let's sign them up and make more of them.
  • Not Synced
    For every million and one bioengineers,
  • Not Synced
    we have at least a million of them
    are going to be on our side.
  • Not Synced
    I mean, Al Capone
    would be on our side in this one.
  • Not Synced
    The bar to being a good guy
    is just so low.
  • Not Synced
    And massive numerical
    advantages do matter,
  • Not Synced
    even when a single bad guy
    can inflict grievous harm,
  • Not Synced
    because among many other things, they
    allow us to exploit the hell out of this.
  • Not Synced
    We have years and hopefully decades
  • Not Synced
    to prepare and prevent.
  • Not Synced
    The first person to try something awful,
    and there will be somebody,
  • Not Synced
    may not even be born yet.
  • Not Synced
    Next, this needs to be an effort
    that spans society,
  • Not Synced
    and all of you need to be a part of it,
  • Not Synced
    because we cannot ask
    a tiny group of experts
  • Not Synced
    to be responsible for both containing
    and exploiting synthetic biology,
  • Not Synced
    because we already tried that
    with the financial system,
  • Not Synced
    and our stewards became
    massively corrupted
  • Not Synced
    as they figured out
    how they could cut corners,
  • Not Synced
    inflict massive, massive risks
    on the rest of us
  • Not Synced
    and privatize the gains,
  • Not Synced
    becoming repulsively wealthy
  • Not Synced
    while they stuck us
    with the $22 trillion bill.
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
  • Not Synced
    And more recently --
  • Not Synced
    Are you the ones who have gotten
    the thank you letters?
  • Not Synced
    I'm still waiting for mine.
  • Not Synced
    I just figured they were
    too busy to be grateful.
  • Not Synced
    And much more recently,
  • Not Synced
    online privacy started looming
    as a huge issue,
  • Not Synced
    and we basically outsourced it,
  • Not Synced
    and once again,
  • Not Synced
    privatized gains, socialized losses.
  • Not Synced
    Is anybody else sick of this pattern?
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
  • Not Synced
    So we need a more inclusive way
    to safeguard our prosperity,
  • Not Synced
    our privacy, and soon our lives.
  • Not Synced
    So how do we do all of this?
  • Not Synced
    Well, when bodies fight pathogens,
  • Not Synced
    they use ingenious immune systems
  • Not Synced
    which are very complex and multi-layered.
  • Not Synced
    Why don't we build one of these
    for the whole damn ecosystem?
  • Not Synced
    There's a year of TED Talks that could
    be given on this first critical layer.
  • Not Synced
    So these are just a couple
    of many great ideas that are out there.
  • Not Synced
    Some R&D muscle
  • Not Synced
    could take the very primitive
    pathogen sensors that we currently have
  • Not Synced
    and put them on a very steep
    price performance curve
  • Not Synced
    that would quickly become ingenious
  • Not Synced
    and networked
  • Not Synced
    and gradually as widespread
    as smoke detectors and even smartphones.
  • Not Synced
    On a very related note,
  • Not Synced
    vaccines have all kinds of problems
  • Not Synced
    when it comes to manufacturing
    and distribution,
  • Not Synced
    and once they're made, they can't adapt
    to new threats or mutations.
  • Not Synced
    We need an agile bio-manufacturing base
  • Not Synced
    extending into every single pharmacy
    and maybe even our homes.
  • Not Synced
    Printer technology for vaccines
    and medicines is within reach
  • Not Synced
    if we prioritize it.
  • Not Synced
    Next, mental health.
  • Not Synced
    Many people who commit
    suicidal mass murder
  • Not Synced
    suffer from crippling,
    treatment-resistant depression or PTSD.
  • Not Synced
    We need Nobel researchers
    like Rick Doblin working on this,
  • Not Synced
    but we also need the selfish jerks
    who are way more numerous
  • Not Synced
    to appreciate the fact
  • Not Synced
    that acute suffering
  • Not Synced
    will soon endanger all of us,
    not just those afflicted.
  • Not Synced
    Those jerks will then
    join us and Al Capone
  • Not Synced
    in fighting this condition.
  • Not Synced
    Third, each and every one of us
    can be and should be a white blood cell
  • Not Synced
    in this immune system.
  • Not Synced
    Suicidal mass murderers
    can be despicable, yes,
  • Not Synced
    but they're also terribly
    broken and sad people,
  • Not Synced
    and those of us who aren't
    need to do what we can
  • Not Synced
    to make sure nobody goes unloved.
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
  • Not Synced
    Next, we need to make
    fighting these dangers
  • Not Synced
    core to the discipline
    of synthetic biology.
  • Not Synced
    There are companies out there
    that at least claim
  • Not Synced
    they let their engineers
    spend 20 percent of their time
  • Not Synced
    doing whatever they want.
  • Not Synced
    What if those who hire bioengineers
  • Not Synced
    and become them
  • Not Synced
    give 20 percent of their time
    to building defenses for the common good?
  • Not Synced
    Not a bad idea, right?
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
  • Not Synced
    Then finally, this won't be any fun,
    but we need to let our minds
  • Not Synced
    go to some very, very dark places,
  • Not Synced
    and thank you for letting me
    take you there this evening.
  • Not Synced
    We survived the Cold War
  • Not Synced
    because every one of us understood
    and respected the danger
  • Not Synced
    in part because we had spent decades
  • Not Synced
    telling ourselves terrifying ghost stories
  • Not Synced
    with names like "Dr. Strangelove"
  • Not Synced
    and "War Games."
  • Not Synced
    This is no time to remain calm.
  • Not Synced
    This is one of those rare times
    when it's incredibly productive
  • Not Synced
    to freak the hell out,
  • Not Synced
    (Laughter)
  • Not Synced
    to come up with some ghost stories
  • Not Synced
    and use our fear as fuel
    to fight this danger.
  • Not Synced
    Because, all these
    terrible scenarios I've painted,
  • Not Synced
    they are not destiny.
  • Not Synced
    They're optional.
  • Not Synced
    The danger is still kind of distant,
  • Not Synced
    and that means it will only befall us
  • Not Synced
    if we allow it to.
  • Not Synced
    Let's not.
  • Not Synced
    Thank you very much for listening.
  • Not Synced
    (Applause)
Title:
How synthetic biology could wipe out humanity -- and how we can stop it
Speaker:
Rob Reid
Description:

more » « less
Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
16:36

English subtitles

Revisions Compare revisions