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When courage inspires a novelist | Victoria Hislop | TEDxThessaloniki

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    When I was invited to speak here
    today, in Thessaloniki,
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    about the courage to create,
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    I thought immediately of all the writers
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    in the in the past decades,
    and even centuries,
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    who've actually been persecuted
    for their writing.
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    Those writers really needed courage.
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    Like most British writers,
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    I belong to an organization
    called PEN International,
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    and PEN International
    campaigns very vigorously
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    for all the writers who are currently
    imprisoned or persecuted around the world.
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    Every year it publishes
    a list of those people
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    and runs campaigns
    for specific individuals,
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    and with great success sometimes.
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    The most recent list
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    had approximately a thousand names,
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    so I kind of felt, in some ways,
    I had to mention those writers
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    because they are
    the really courageous people,
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    who are prepared to go to prison
    for what they put down on paper.
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    At the moment,
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    there's a very high-profile
    Chinese writer called Liu Xiaobo,
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    who is a Nobel Peace Prize winner,
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    and he's currently
    still in prison in China.
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    And perhaps a more famous recent example
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    of somebody who's not in prison
    but who was persecuted in Turkey
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    was Orhan Pamuk,
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    and in Britain, he's a very much,
    very highly-thought-of author,
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    and his crime, as probably you all know,
    he was insulting Turkishness
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    for writing about the Kurds
    and the Armenians.
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    But in the 20th century, in Greece,
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    there are many examples of writers
    who showed enormous courage.
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    Again, I haven't read some of these,
    because they haven't been translated,
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    so forgive me for not having read
    extensively their works.
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    Maybe somebody, after this talk,
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    can come up and translate
    a few of their poems for me.
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    Of course, there was Yiannis Ritsos,
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    who spent much of his life exiled
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    on those islands of exile,
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    and had his works burnt,
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    and was persecuted for many years.
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    And then, apparently,
    a man called Titos Patrikios.
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    I am told he had to bury some of his poems
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    to protect them from the authorities.
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    In Britain, we have pretty much
    complete freedom of speech,
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    and it's something
    that always needs protecting;
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    it's not something
    we should take for granted.
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    And I happened to notice
    on the PEN website
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    that there are these local branches of PEN
    all around the world,
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    and I couldn't find one
    that was actually based here, in Greece.
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    So that's maybe a challenge
    to the audience here,
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    that there really should be one
    set up in this country
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    to help writers in other countries.
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    So, for me, courage -
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    I only really need it
    when the book reviews come out.
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    You know, it's not
    a big factor in my own life,
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    and, of course, critics
    have complete freedom of speech,
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    and that's the only time
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    when I really feel terrified
    about being a writer -
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    apart from standing
    on this red circle, which is, frankly -
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    no one's yet mentioned it, I don't think -
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    it does require a little bit of courage,
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    maybe more than I've ever needed.
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    But I write about courage;
    I write about other people's courage.
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    It is the one single thing
    that really inspires me,
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    the courage of ordinary people.
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    Spinalonga.
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    This is a picture of an island
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    that I think some of you
    will be familiar with
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    from having watched the television series
    (Greek) "The Island".
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    When I first went there, as a tourist,
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    I knew absolutely nothing about the place.
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    I knew nothing about leprosy -
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    which was the reason
    people were sent to Spinalonga -
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    apart from the fact there was
    a huge stigma surrounding it.
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    And what I discovered,
    when I even went on that first visit,
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    was that the people there,
    apparently, from what I could see,
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    had lived relatively very normal lives.
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    These were people who were,
    as you can see from this picture,
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    living within - they could see
    their families, maybe their relatives,
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    living on the mainland opposite,
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    and yet many of them
    went there for decades,
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    and they showed huge courage
    in surviving the life that they had there.
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    The clues that sort of told me
    how courageous they'd been
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    and really how long suffering they'd been
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    were little things actually within
    the infrastructure of the island itself.
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    There were tiny pieces of curtain
    fluttering still from the window frames
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    and patches of wall still painted
    in this lovely bright blue
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    and pots of geraniums that had been there
    probably for a couple of decades,
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    and there was (Greek) a coffee shop,
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    a church and shops,
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    and all these things that showed
    what normal lives that they'd lived.
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    The stigma of leprosy is a strange one.
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    It actually goes back to biblical days,
    when people were told -
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    there's a whole chapter
    in the Old Testament -
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    people were told that leprosy
    was a punishment from God,
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    either a sin that you had committed
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    or even a sin, perhaps,
    that one of your ancestors had committed.
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    So it was based
    on a complete fallacy, in effect.
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    And, of course, leprosy
    tends to deform people.
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    That's what happens in the end
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    after many years of having the disease.
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    And we fear what is different,
    and we fear what is ugly.
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    In the television serial,
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    we portrayed actually many different ways
    in which leprosy affects the body.
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    Sometimes it's facial deformities
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    with lesions on the skin,
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    and other times, the nerve-endings,
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    which are destroyed
    by the leprosy bacteria,
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    lead to the loss of fingers,
    toes, arms, legs.
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    And it's actually a bacterial disease;
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    it's not, obviously, a curse from God.
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    The cure was actually found in the 1950s,
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    the bacteria having been identified
    about 50 years earlier,
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    and at that time,
    the stigma should have gone.
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    Everybody should have realised
    this isn't a curse from God;
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    it is just a disease
    like any other disease,
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    an illness like tuberculosis,
    that any one of us could catch,
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    whether we were a priest,
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    a child, a king, a man in the street -
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    at every level of society
    it's possible to contract this disease.
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    The people on Spinalonga
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    showed great courage
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    because when they came away
    from that island,
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    many of them bore
    the marks of that disease
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    and were still treated
    and shunned by society.
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    When (Greek) "The Island,"
    "Το Νησί" was translated,
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    I had the huge privilege of meeting
    a man called Manolis Fountoulakis,
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    who was probably
    the most courageous person
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    I've ever met.
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    You'll see from the picture that Manolis
    suffered from leprosy himself,
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    and he shows many
    of the characteristic deformities
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    from the disease.
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    And yet, he was the wisest,
    funniest, kindest man I've ever met.
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    He never complained about anything at all,
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    and we became very good friends
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    for the period of his life.
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    He, sadly, died two years ago,
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    almost to the day.
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    But he was probably the man who inspired
    very much the television series.
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    As you can see, he played as an extra,
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    and that was an extraordinary
    moment in my own life,
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    of standing, playing next to him myself,
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    kind of being made up to have leprosy
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    but standing with Manoli, who really
    had suffered from the disease.
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    And he demonstrated
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    that leprosy changes the body,
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    but very much not the mind
    or the personality.
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    He inspired everybody
    who worked on (Greek) "The Island".
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    Most people spent hours every day
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    up at his house,
    having a raki that he made.
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    I don't know if you can see,
    probably quite clearly, actually,
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    he had very distended hands,
    very big hands,
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    which is something that can happen
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    when the leprosy bacteria
    attack the nerve-endings.
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    But with these huge, giant hands of his,
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    he used to make, somehow -
    I never actually saw him doing it -
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    but this magnificent cherry raki
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    that was his kind of specialty.
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    So I sometimes think
    that half the actors and the crew
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    were a little bit inebriated,
    having gone up to see Manoli.
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    But he was a truly courageous
    and inspirational man.
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    After writing "The Island",
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    I sort of stumbled
    across the story of civil war
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    and wrote a novel set in Spain,
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    and there, again, this was the courage
    of ordinary people in the street
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    that inspired me to write that story.
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    Probably everyone here knows
    about their own civil war,
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    but the Spanish Civil War
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    actually has a lot
    of similar characteristics to it
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    as the Greek Civil War,
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    except that the Spanish Civil War
    was quite short and sharp,
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    three years,
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    during which ordinary people -
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    teenagers, women, everyone
    who basically was anti-fascist -
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    took up a weapon and fought
    against a trained army.
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    Sadly, the Republic,
    i.e. the legally elected republic,
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    people who fought for that lost.
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    And until 1975 - so for nearly 40 years -
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    people who had fought against Franco,
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    the army general
    who had conducted the coup,
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    were persecuted, imprisoned,
    sent into exile.
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    Lots of children ended up
    away from their parents,
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    all around the world,
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    trying to escape from the evils
    of that fascist regime.
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    But it was an inspirational story for me,
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    again, reading about
    these ordinary people,
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    and then writing about
    what they tried to achieve.
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    And then, more latterly, Thessaloniki.
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    And my latest story
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    is so much a story of the courage
    of the people of this city
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    that my English readers
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    think that I've made up
    a lot of the catastrophes
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    that took place here.
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    They say, "Well, you know,
    how much of this is real?
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    Could there really have been a fire,
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    an influx of a huge number of refugees
    and departure of a huge number of Muslims,
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    occupation, civil war,
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    the loss of a third of the population
    of 60,000 Jewish people here,
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    and then many other things?"
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    And my book actually ends
    with the earthquake of 1978.
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    Readers at home almost find this
    impossible to believe,
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    that anyone could have actually survived.
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    Because some people
    did see each of those events
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    and live to tell the story.
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    Once I discovered
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    that there was this sequence
    of catastrophes
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    that happened in Thessaloniki,
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    I was sitting in a café one day,
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    out there, in the sunshine,
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    and I saw an elderly couple.
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    They were probably about 85, 90,
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    and they were smaller than me,
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    smaller than the average Greek,
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    definitely smaller than
    the average Greek teenager,
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    but very strong looking.
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    And in a slightly strange way.
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    Maybe they're sitting out here, somewhere,
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    those people.
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    They don't know who they are,
    but I followed them home.
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    They lived in a (Greek)
    block of flats like this,
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    and I watched them struggling home
    with their shopping,
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    and they were tough, and they were strong,
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    and they became,
    in my imagination, my heroes.
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    One of them, Katerina,
    is a refugee from Asia Minor,
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    and the elderly man, in my mad
    novelist imagination, Dimitris,
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    is the man she eventually marries.
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    And these people, in my head,
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    lived through those extraordinary
    events of the 20th century
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    that required,
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    from an outsider's point of view,
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    absolutely superhuman courage.
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    And again, maybe this is an image
    everybody here has seen.
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    It's an iconic picture of Papaioannou
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    that she took during the occupation,
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    showing a starving child.
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    When I think of what
    the Greek people lived through
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    during the war,
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    again, it's unbelievable
    for British people.
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    We think we suffered
    during the Second World War,
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    but we weren't occupied,
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    we always had food,
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    we always had shoes.
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    We lost a lot of people
    during that conflict,
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    but we didn't live through the pain
    and the conflict and the suffering
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    that the Greek people did.
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    And what I do try to communicate
    to people in the UK:
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    I'm lucky at the moment
    to have this opportunity,
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    with this book that I have written,
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    to go around the country
    and do lots of talks about it,
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    and I always end up really talking
    about the current situation
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    and explaining how there is a link
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    between these things
    that have happened in Greece
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    up to the present day,
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    that the current things
    you're going through
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    didn't just begin 10 years ago.
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    And 90 years ago, 60 years ago,
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    30 years ago, 10 years ago,
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    there have been
    these points in Greek history
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    where I think you have to have
    a lot of courage.
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    I'm very passionate about Greece,
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    but I have this, in some ways,
    great fortune, that I can come and go,
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    and I know here you have to stay
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    and not fight exactly, but be strong
    for what's happening.
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    My message, if I have one at all,
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    is that you need to continue
    to have that courage.
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    You have a huge number of friends outside
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    who are now beginning to see
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    that your situation
    is part of a bigger situation.
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    I didn't intend to talk
    about British politics at all,
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    but probably not in your newspapers,
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    because I know you're probably
    completely fixated on your own situation,
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    but a week ago, in England,
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    we had local elections
    all around the country,
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    and there was huge movement
    away from the Right to the Left.
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    We still have Cameron,
    because they weren't general elections,
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    but it really rocked our country,
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    that there is this shift
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    away from Conservatism towards the Left,
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    and the same, obviously,
    happened in France.
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    And there's a general shift,
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    and I think the whole of Europe
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    needs courage to face
    what's going to happen
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    in the next year or so.
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    So, from me,
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    I know in English, funnily enough,
    we use a French phrase -
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    very odd -
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    we have a strange relationship
    with the French,
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    but occasionally we break into French,
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    like "Bon voyage", we'll say.
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    We never say "Have a good journey",
    we say "Bon voyage",
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    and we say "Bon courage".
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    We say, I think to translate,
    it would be "Καλή δύναμη",
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    and I think everyone here maybe
    needs courage in the next few months
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    more than I do.
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    But (Greek) "stay strong"
    for all my Greek friends here.
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    (Applause)
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    Thank you.
Title:
When courage inspires a novelist | Victoria Hislop | TEDxThessaloniki
Description:

For novelist Victoria Hislop, "courage" lies in the lives of everyday people, whose stories act as the source of inspiration for her novels. Her stories, set on the island of Crete or in Granada, are connected by the common thread of courage, as exemplified by her heroes. In this talk, Hislop unfolds the inspirational stories of courage behind her novels.

Victoria Hislop read English at Oxford and worked in publishing, PR and as a journalist on several national newspapers and magazines before becoming a novelist. Her first novel, "The Island," held the number one slot in the Sunday Times paperback chart for eight consecutive weeks and has sold over two million copies worldwide. Victoria was the Newcomer of the Year at the Galaxy British Book Awards 2007, and her second novel, "The Return," was also a number one bestseller. "The Thread," which was published in the autumn of 2011, spent nine weeks in the Sunday Times hardback chart and was widely acclaimed. Her books have been translated into more than 25 languages. Victoria also writes short stories and her first collection, "One Cretan Evening," is available as an ebook. She is married with two children.

This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx

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