When courage inspires a novelist | Victoria Hislop | TEDxThessaloniki
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0:08 - 0:12When I was invited to speak here
today, in Thessaloniki, -
0:12 - 0:14about the courage to create,
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0:15 - 0:18I thought immediately of all the writers
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0:18 - 0:21in the in the past decades,
and even centuries, -
0:21 - 0:26who've actually been persecuted
for their writing. -
0:26 - 0:30Those writers really needed courage.
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0:30 - 0:32Like most British writers,
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0:32 - 0:36I belong to an organization
called PEN International, -
0:36 - 0:40and PEN International
campaigns very vigorously -
0:40 - 0:46for all the writers who are currently
imprisoned or persecuted around the world. -
0:47 - 0:51Every year it publishes
a list of those people -
0:52 - 0:55and runs campaigns
for specific individuals, -
0:55 - 0:57and with great success sometimes.
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0:59 - 1:00The most recent list
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1:00 - 1:04had approximately a thousand names,
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1:04 - 1:08so I kind of felt, in some ways,
I had to mention those writers -
1:08 - 1:11because they are
the really courageous people, -
1:11 - 1:16who are prepared to go to prison
for what they put down on paper. -
1:17 - 1:18At the moment,
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1:18 - 1:22there's a very high-profile
Chinese writer called Liu Xiaobo, -
1:22 - 1:26who is a Nobel Peace Prize winner,
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1:26 - 1:29and he's currently
still in prison in China. -
1:30 - 1:32And perhaps a more famous recent example
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1:32 - 1:37of somebody who's not in prison
but who was persecuted in Turkey -
1:37 - 1:38was Orhan Pamuk,
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1:38 - 1:44and in Britain, he's a very much,
very highly-thought-of author, -
1:44 - 1:49and his crime, as probably you all know,
he was insulting Turkishness -
1:50 - 1:53for writing about the Kurds
and the Armenians. -
1:54 - 1:58But in the 20th century, in Greece,
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1:58 - 2:03there are many examples of writers
who showed enormous courage. -
2:04 - 2:08Again, I haven't read some of these,
because they haven't been translated, -
2:08 - 2:12so forgive me for not having read
extensively their works. -
2:12 - 2:14Maybe somebody, after this talk,
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2:14 - 2:17can come up and translate
a few of their poems for me. -
2:17 - 2:19Of course, there was Yiannis Ritsos,
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2:19 - 2:24who spent much of his life exiled
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2:24 - 2:27on those islands of exile,
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2:27 - 2:29and had his works burnt,
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2:29 - 2:32and was persecuted for many years.
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2:32 - 2:37And then, apparently,
a man called Titos Patrikios. -
2:38 - 2:41I am told he had to bury some of his poems
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2:41 - 2:44to protect them from the authorities.
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2:45 - 2:51In Britain, we have pretty much
complete freedom of speech, -
2:51 - 2:54and it's something
that always needs protecting; -
2:54 - 2:57it's not something
we should take for granted. -
2:57 - 3:02And I happened to notice
on the PEN website -
3:02 - 3:07that there are these local branches of PEN
all around the world, -
3:07 - 3:11and I couldn't find one
that was actually based here, in Greece. -
3:12 - 3:16So that's maybe a challenge
to the audience here, -
3:16 - 3:20that there really should be one
set up in this country -
3:20 - 3:23to help writers in other countries.
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3:24 - 3:26So, for me, courage -
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3:26 - 3:31I only really need it
when the book reviews come out. -
3:31 - 3:34You know, it's not
a big factor in my own life, -
3:34 - 3:38and, of course, critics
have complete freedom of speech, -
3:38 - 3:39and that's the only time
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3:39 - 3:45when I really feel terrified
about being a writer - -
3:45 - 3:48apart from standing
on this red circle, which is, frankly - -
3:48 - 3:50no one's yet mentioned it, I don't think -
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3:50 - 3:52it does require a little bit of courage,
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3:52 - 3:54maybe more than I've ever needed.
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3:55 - 3:59But I write about courage;
I write about other people's courage. -
4:00 - 4:05It is the one single thing
that really inspires me, -
4:05 - 4:07the courage of ordinary people.
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4:08 - 4:09Spinalonga.
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4:09 - 4:11This is a picture of an island
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4:11 - 4:14that I think some of you
will be familiar with -
4:14 - 4:18from having watched the television series
(Greek) "The Island". -
4:18 - 4:20When I first went there, as a tourist,
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4:20 - 4:24I knew absolutely nothing about the place.
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4:24 - 4:27I knew nothing about leprosy -
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4:27 - 4:30which was the reason
people were sent to Spinalonga - -
4:30 - 4:34apart from the fact there was
a huge stigma surrounding it. -
4:35 - 4:39And what I discovered,
when I even went on that first visit, -
4:39 - 4:42was that the people there,
apparently, from what I could see, -
4:42 - 4:46had lived relatively very normal lives.
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4:46 - 4:49These were people who were,
as you can see from this picture, -
4:49 - 4:55living within - they could see
their families, maybe their relatives, -
4:55 - 4:57living on the mainland opposite,
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4:57 - 5:01and yet many of them
went there for decades, -
5:01 - 5:07and they showed huge courage
in surviving the life that they had there. -
5:09 - 5:13The clues that sort of told me
how courageous they'd been -
5:13 - 5:16and really how long suffering they'd been
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5:16 - 5:22were little things actually within
the infrastructure of the island itself. -
5:23 - 5:28There were tiny pieces of curtain
fluttering still from the window frames -
5:28 - 5:32and patches of wall still painted
in this lovely bright blue -
5:32 - 5:37and pots of geraniums that had been there
probably for a couple of decades, -
5:37 - 5:40and there was (Greek) a coffee shop,
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5:40 - 5:41a church and shops,
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5:41 - 5:47and all these things that showed
what normal lives that they'd lived. -
5:47 - 5:52The stigma of leprosy is a strange one.
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5:52 - 5:56It actually goes back to biblical days,
when people were told - -
5:56 - 5:59there's a whole chapter
in the Old Testament - -
5:59 - 6:04people were told that leprosy
was a punishment from God, -
6:04 - 6:06either a sin that you had committed
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6:06 - 6:10or even a sin, perhaps,
that one of your ancestors had committed. -
6:10 - 6:15So it was based
on a complete fallacy, in effect. -
6:15 - 6:20And, of course, leprosy
tends to deform people. -
6:20 - 6:22That's what happens in the end
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6:22 - 6:24after many years of having the disease.
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6:24 - 6:29And we fear what is different,
and we fear what is ugly. -
6:29 - 6:31In the television serial,
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6:31 - 6:36we portrayed actually many different ways
in which leprosy affects the body. -
6:37 - 6:40Sometimes it's facial deformities
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6:40 - 6:44with lesions on the skin,
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6:44 - 6:46and other times, the nerve-endings,
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6:46 - 6:50which are destroyed
by the leprosy bacteria, -
6:50 - 6:55lead to the loss of fingers,
toes, arms, legs. -
6:55 - 6:58And it's actually a bacterial disease;
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6:58 - 7:01it's not, obviously, a curse from God.
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7:03 - 7:06The cure was actually found in the 1950s,
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7:07 - 7:12the bacteria having been identified
about 50 years earlier, -
7:14 - 7:17and at that time,
the stigma should have gone. -
7:17 - 7:21Everybody should have realised
this isn't a curse from God; -
7:21 - 7:24it is just a disease
like any other disease, -
7:24 - 7:27an illness like tuberculosis,
that any one of us could catch, -
7:27 - 7:30whether we were a priest,
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7:30 - 7:34a child, a king, a man in the street -
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7:34 - 7:38at every level of society
it's possible to contract this disease. -
7:39 - 7:41The people on Spinalonga
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7:42 - 7:43showed great courage
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7:43 - 7:47because when they came away
from that island, -
7:47 - 7:50many of them bore
the marks of that disease -
7:50 - 7:56and were still treated
and shunned by society. -
7:57 - 8:00When (Greek) "The Island,"
"Το Νησί" was translated, -
8:00 - 8:05I had the huge privilege of meeting
a man called Manolis Fountoulakis, -
8:05 - 8:08who was probably
the most courageous person -
8:08 - 8:09I've ever met.
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8:09 - 8:15You'll see from the picture that Manolis
suffered from leprosy himself, -
8:16 - 8:22and he shows many
of the characteristic deformities -
8:22 - 8:25from the disease.
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8:25 - 8:32And yet, he was the wisest,
funniest, kindest man I've ever met. -
8:32 - 8:34He never complained about anything at all,
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8:34 - 8:37and we became very good friends
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8:37 - 8:38for the period of his life.
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8:38 - 8:41He, sadly, died two years ago,
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8:41 - 8:42almost to the day.
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8:43 - 8:50But he was probably the man who inspired
very much the television series. -
8:50 - 8:53As you can see, he played as an extra,
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8:54 - 8:57and that was an extraordinary
moment in my own life, -
8:57 - 9:00of standing, playing next to him myself,
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9:00 - 9:03kind of being made up to have leprosy
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9:03 - 9:07but standing with Manoli, who really
had suffered from the disease. -
9:08 - 9:10And he demonstrated
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9:10 - 9:12that leprosy changes the body,
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9:12 - 9:16but very much not the mind
or the personality. -
9:17 - 9:21He inspired everybody
who worked on (Greek) "The Island". -
9:21 - 9:24Most people spent hours every day
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9:24 - 9:27up at his house,
having a raki that he made. -
9:27 - 9:31I don't know if you can see,
probably quite clearly, actually, -
9:31 - 9:36he had very distended hands,
very big hands, -
9:36 - 9:38which is something that can happen
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9:38 - 9:42when the leprosy bacteria
attack the nerve-endings. -
9:42 - 9:46But with these huge, giant hands of his,
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9:46 - 9:50he used to make, somehow -
I never actually saw him doing it - -
9:50 - 9:53but this magnificent cherry raki
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9:53 - 9:55that was his kind of specialty.
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9:55 - 9:59So I sometimes think
that half the actors and the crew -
9:59 - 10:03were a little bit inebriated,
having gone up to see Manoli. -
10:03 - 10:08But he was a truly courageous
and inspirational man. -
10:10 - 10:13After writing "The Island",
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10:13 - 10:16I sort of stumbled
across the story of civil war -
10:16 - 10:19and wrote a novel set in Spain,
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10:19 - 10:24and there, again, this was the courage
of ordinary people in the street -
10:24 - 10:28that inspired me to write that story.
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10:29 - 10:32Probably everyone here knows
about their own civil war, -
10:32 - 10:33but the Spanish Civil War
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10:33 - 10:37actually has a lot
of similar characteristics to it -
10:37 - 10:39as the Greek Civil War,
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10:40 - 10:45except that the Spanish Civil War
was quite short and sharp, -
10:45 - 10:46three years,
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10:46 - 10:48during which ordinary people -
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10:48 - 10:55teenagers, women, everyone
who basically was anti-fascist - -
10:55 - 10:59took up a weapon and fought
against a trained army. -
11:01 - 11:06Sadly, the Republic,
i.e. the legally elected republic, -
11:08 - 11:10people who fought for that lost.
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11:10 - 11:14And until 1975 - so for nearly 40 years -
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11:14 - 11:17people who had fought against Franco,
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11:17 - 11:20the army general
who had conducted the coup, -
11:20 - 11:25were persecuted, imprisoned,
sent into exile. -
11:25 - 11:28Lots of children ended up
away from their parents, -
11:28 - 11:29all around the world,
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11:29 - 11:34trying to escape from the evils
of that fascist regime. -
11:35 - 11:38But it was an inspirational story for me,
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11:38 - 11:40again, reading about
these ordinary people, -
11:40 - 11:44and then writing about
what they tried to achieve. -
11:46 - 11:49And then, more latterly, Thessaloniki.
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11:49 - 11:50And my latest story
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11:50 - 11:55is so much a story of the courage
of the people of this city -
11:55 - 11:57that my English readers
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11:57 - 12:01think that I've made up
a lot of the catastrophes -
12:01 - 12:02that took place here.
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12:02 - 12:05They say, "Well, you know,
how much of this is real? -
12:06 - 12:08Could there really have been a fire,
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12:09 - 12:15an influx of a huge number of refugees
and departure of a huge number of Muslims, -
12:16 - 12:19occupation, civil war,
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12:19 - 12:25the loss of a third of the population
of 60,000 Jewish people here, -
12:26 - 12:27and then many other things?"
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12:27 - 12:31And my book actually ends
with the earthquake of 1978. -
12:32 - 12:36Readers at home almost find this
impossible to believe, -
12:37 - 12:40that anyone could have actually survived.
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12:40 - 12:43Because some people
did see each of those events -
12:43 - 12:46and live to tell the story.
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12:48 - 12:49Once I discovered
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12:49 - 12:52that there was this sequence
of catastrophes -
12:52 - 12:54that happened in Thessaloniki,
-
12:55 - 12:58I was sitting in a café one day,
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12:58 - 13:00out there, in the sunshine,
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13:00 - 13:03and I saw an elderly couple.
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13:04 - 13:08They were probably about 85, 90,
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13:08 - 13:11and they were smaller than me,
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13:11 - 13:13smaller than the average Greek,
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13:13 - 13:16definitely smaller than
the average Greek teenager, -
13:16 - 13:18but very strong looking.
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13:19 - 13:21And in a slightly strange way.
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13:21 - 13:23Maybe they're sitting out here, somewhere,
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13:23 - 13:24those people.
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13:24 - 13:27They don't know who they are,
but I followed them home. -
13:27 - 13:31They lived in a (Greek)
block of flats like this, -
13:31 - 13:34and I watched them struggling home
with their shopping, -
13:34 - 13:36and they were tough, and they were strong,
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13:36 - 13:41and they became,
in my imagination, my heroes. -
13:41 - 13:45One of them, Katerina,
is a refugee from Asia Minor, -
13:45 - 13:51and the elderly man, in my mad
novelist imagination, Dimitris, -
13:51 - 13:54is the man she eventually marries.
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13:54 - 13:55And these people, in my head,
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13:55 - 13:59lived through those extraordinary
events of the 20th century -
13:59 - 14:01that required,
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14:01 - 14:03from an outsider's point of view,
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14:03 - 14:06absolutely superhuman courage.
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14:07 - 14:12And again, maybe this is an image
everybody here has seen. -
14:12 - 14:15It's an iconic picture of Papaioannou
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14:15 - 14:19that she took during the occupation,
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14:19 - 14:21showing a starving child.
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14:23 - 14:26When I think of what
the Greek people lived through -
14:26 - 14:28during the war,
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14:28 - 14:30again, it's unbelievable
for British people. -
14:30 - 14:33We think we suffered
during the Second World War, -
14:33 - 14:35but we weren't occupied,
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14:35 - 14:37we always had food,
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14:37 - 14:40we always had shoes.
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14:41 - 14:43We lost a lot of people
during that conflict, -
14:43 - 14:48but we didn't live through the pain
and the conflict and the suffering -
14:48 - 14:50that the Greek people did.
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14:51 - 14:55And what I do try to communicate
to people in the UK: -
14:56 - 14:58I'm lucky at the moment
to have this opportunity, -
14:58 - 15:00with this book that I have written,
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15:00 - 15:04to go around the country
and do lots of talks about it, -
15:04 - 15:08and I always end up really talking
about the current situation -
15:08 - 15:11and explaining how there is a link
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15:11 - 15:14between these things
that have happened in Greece -
15:14 - 15:15up to the present day,
-
15:15 - 15:17that the current things
you're going through -
15:17 - 15:20didn't just begin 10 years ago.
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15:23 - 15:26And 90 years ago, 60 years ago,
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15:26 - 15:2930 years ago, 10 years ago,
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15:29 - 15:31there have been
these points in Greek history -
15:31 - 15:35where I think you have to have
a lot of courage. -
15:35 - 15:38I'm very passionate about Greece,
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15:38 - 15:42but I have this, in some ways,
great fortune, that I can come and go, -
15:42 - 15:46and I know here you have to stay
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15:46 - 15:51and not fight exactly, but be strong
for what's happening. -
15:51 - 15:53My message, if I have one at all,
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15:53 - 15:57is that you need to continue
to have that courage. -
15:57 - 16:00You have a huge number of friends outside
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16:00 - 16:02who are now beginning to see
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16:02 - 16:06that your situation
is part of a bigger situation. -
16:07 - 16:09I didn't intend to talk
about British politics at all, -
16:09 - 16:11but probably not in your newspapers,
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16:11 - 16:15because I know you're probably
completely fixated on your own situation, -
16:15 - 16:17but a week ago, in England,
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16:17 - 16:22we had local elections
all around the country, -
16:22 - 16:27and there was huge movement
away from the Right to the Left. -
16:27 - 16:30We still have Cameron,
because they weren't general elections, -
16:30 - 16:32but it really rocked our country,
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16:32 - 16:34that there is this shift
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16:34 - 16:38away from Conservatism towards the Left,
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16:38 - 16:41and the same, obviously,
happened in France. -
16:41 - 16:43And there's a general shift,
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16:43 - 16:45and I think the whole of Europe
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16:45 - 16:48needs courage to face
what's going to happen -
16:48 - 16:50in the next year or so.
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16:51 - 16:54So, from me,
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16:55 - 17:01I know in English, funnily enough,
we use a French phrase - -
17:01 - 17:02very odd -
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17:02 - 17:04we have a strange relationship
with the French, -
17:04 - 17:07but occasionally we break into French,
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17:07 - 17:08like "Bon voyage", we'll say.
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17:08 - 17:12We never say "Have a good journey",
we say "Bon voyage", -
17:12 - 17:14and we say "Bon courage".
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17:14 - 17:18We say, I think to translate,
it would be "Καλή δύναμη", -
17:18 - 17:24and I think everyone here maybe
needs courage in the next few months -
17:24 - 17:26more than I do.
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17:26 - 17:29But (Greek) "stay strong"
for all my Greek friends here. -
17:29 - 17:32(Applause)
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17:32 - 17:33Thank you.
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For novelist Victoria Hislop, "courage" lies in the lives of everyday people, whose stories act as the source of inspiration for her novels. Her stories, set on the island of Crete or in Granada, are connected by the common thread of courage, as exemplified by her heroes. In this talk, Hislop unfolds the inspirational stories of courage behind her novels.
Victoria Hislop read English at Oxford and worked in publishing, PR and as a journalist on several national newspapers and magazines before becoming a novelist. Her first novel, "The Island," held the number one slot in the Sunday Times paperback chart for eight consecutive weeks and has sold over two million copies worldwide. Victoria was the Newcomer of the Year at the Galaxy British Book Awards 2007, and her second novel, "The Return," was also a number one bestseller. "The Thread," which was published in the autumn of 2011, spent nine weeks in the Sunday Times hardback chart and was widely acclaimed. Her books have been translated into more than 25 languages. Victoria also writes short stories and her first collection, "One Cretan Evening," is available as an ebook. She is married with two children.
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