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Nondiscrimination | Dharma Talk by Thich Nhat Hanh, 2004.03.26

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    Breathing out, I smile to life.
    Let us enjoy breathing with a sound of the bell.
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    [Touching the bell once]
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    [Bell]
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    [Bell]
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    Breathing in, I'm aware
    that I'm surrounded by the mountains.
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    Breathing out, I smile to the mountains.
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    [Bell]
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    Breathing in, I know that I'm sitting
    with my very colorful sangha.
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    Breathing out, I smile to my sangha.
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    I have arrived, therefore I'm not in a hurry.
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    [Bowing in]
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    Dear sangha, yesterday I spoke about home.
    True home.
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    And I told you that I have a home
    that nobody can take away from me
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    wherever I go.
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    Therefore, even if they tell me
    that I have to wait ten more years
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    in order to go there,
    I still have my true home.
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    Yesterday I told you that at one time
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    while I was in Washington DC,
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    the press informed me that my passport
    was no longer valid.
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    So they did that in order for me
    not to have a chance to go around
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    and speak for the sake of the victims of the war.
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    And people in Washington DC urged me
    to go into hiding.
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    Because you risked deportation and jail.
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    So I managed...
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    I did not go hiding.
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    I sought ....
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    I was forced to seek political asylum in France,
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    and they granted me political asylum.
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    And I ​obtained a kind of travel document
    called...
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    "apatride travel document".
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    You don't have "apatride",
    you don't have a country,
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    you don't belong to any country,
    without fatherland, or motherland.
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    "Apatride", the English word is ...
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    "expatriate", yeah, I have that travel document.
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    With that document, you can't ask for
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    the visa to some European countries
    we have signed the Geneva Conventions.
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    But for countries like Canada, or United States
    of America, where you have to sit for a visa,
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    it's very difficult to ask for a visa
    when you do not have a country.
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    You are without fatherland, motherland.
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    But exactly because
    I did not have ...
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    a country of my own
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    that I had the opportunity to find my true home.
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    This is very important.
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    It was... It is because I did not belong
    to any particular country
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    that I made enough effort to break through
    and I got my true home.
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    My dear friends, if you have the feeling
    that you do not belong to any land, to any country,
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    to any geographical spot, to any cultural heritage,
    to any particular ethnic group.
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    When you go to Japan, you don't feel that
    Japan accepts you.
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    When you go back to America, you don't feel
    that America is your home.
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    When you go to Africa, you don't think
    that you are an African.
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    Or you're back... when you go back to the..
    the United States of America,
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    you don't feel that you are accepted.
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    When you have that feeling,
    that you are not accepted,
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    that you have nothing to belong to,
    you have no identity,
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    that is when you have a chance
    to break through to your true home.
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    That is my case. It was my case.
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    My true home do not...
    is not limited to any...
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    ... is not limited ...
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    geographically speaking, not limited
    to any spot, any place.
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    Geographically speaking, ethnically speaking,
    culturally speaking.
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    Although there may be some cultural preference,
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    some ethnic preference,
    some geographical preference.
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    Sometimes you like snow, very cold weather.
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    Sometimes you like to be in a place
    where there's a lot of sunshine.
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    You might have preference,
    but you do not discriminate.
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    All belong to you.
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    There is absolutely no discrimination
    in your true home.
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    You may prefer something sometimes.
    But you do not discriminate against anything
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    in terms of geography, ethnicity, culture,...
    because everything is beautiful.
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    Everything may be beautiful.
    Anywhere may be beautiful.
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    And you do not have just one portion of it.
    You have the totality of it.
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    And you are free to enjoy everything.
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    Suppose you love...
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    orange.
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    You consider orange to be your favourite fruit.
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    And you are free to enjoy your oranges.
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    But nothing prevents you to enjoy other kinds
    of fruits like mango, kiwi.
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    Or even durian.
    [laughter in the audience]
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    It's a pity that you are only committed
    to eating one kind of fruit.
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    You are free,
    and you can enjoy every kind of fruits.
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    It's a pity if you are committed only to Christianity,
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    or to Buddhism.
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    Because Christianity
    is one of the spiritual heritages of mankind.
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    Buddhism also. Buddhism is just one kind
    of spiritual heritage of mankind.
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    It would be a pity if you are committed
    only to one spiritual heritage,
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    if you want to be faithful only to one heritage.
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    Because in the other heritages,
    there are beautiful things.
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    Your orange may taste wonderful,
    but the mango can taste wonderful also.
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    It would be a pity if you discriminate against
    the mango, and the kiwi, and the durian.
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    So in your true home, there is no discrimination.
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    You are free.
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    And when you live with the wisdom
    of non-discrimination, you don't suffer.
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    You have a lot of wisdom, and you embrace
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    everyone, every country,
    every culture, every ethnic group.
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    And that is my case, I don't discriminate against
    anything at all.
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    I love orange, but I also love mango and kiwi.
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    Durian?
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    [Laughter in the audience]
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    Although I don't eat it,
    but I don't discriminate against it.
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    [Audience burst out laughing]
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    And my friends, my disciples, eat it for me.
    [laughter in the audience]
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    My right hand.
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    This hand you call it my right hand.
    And this one, left hand.
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    They are two hands,
    and you don't mix the two up.
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    This is the right hand,
    this is the left hand.
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    And you know something... my right hand
    has written all the poems, all my poems.
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    And... except one.
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    I never wrote.... I did not...
    I always write down my poems with a pen,
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    except one time I did not have a pen.
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    So there was a poem in me that wanted to go out.
    And I did not have... a pen.
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    So there was a typewriter on the table.
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    So I took out an old envelope and rolled it
    into the typewriter, and I typed my poem.
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    And that was ... that unique time when
    my left hand was participating into poetry writing.
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    [Audience laughing]
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    And I remember the title of that poem,
    "The Little Buffalo Chasing After the Sun."
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    And yet my right hand never has
    a complex of superiority.
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    [Audience laughing]
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    My right hand does not think, or say things like,
    "Left hand, do you know, do you know...
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    ...that I have written all the poems except one?"
    [Laughter in the audience]
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    "Do you know that I can do calligraphy?"
    [Laughter in the audience]
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    "I can invite the bell to sound.
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    "And you, you're left hand,
    and you does not seem to be good for anything."
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    My right hand never has that kind of thinking,
    that kind of attitude.
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    And that is why my right hand never suffers
    because of jealousy,
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    or especially of the superiority complex.
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    When you feel that you are more powerful,
    more talented, more important, then you suffer.
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    Because that is a complex. Complex of superiority.
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    Not only when you have the complex of inferiority,
    when you have low self-esteem that you suffer,
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    but when you have that kind of high self-esteem,
    you suffer.
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    And my left hand,
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    although she has not written many poems,
    although she has not writt... done any calligraphy,
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    she does not suffer at all of any complex.
    No complex of inferiority in my left hand.
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    It's wonderful, she does not suffer at all.
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    There's no comparison.
    There's no low self-esteem.
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    That is why she's perfectly happy, my left hand.
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    One day, I was trying a hang a picture on the wall.
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    My left hand was holding a nail.
    My right hand, a hammer.
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    That day, I don't know why.
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    Instead of pounding on the nail,
    I pound it on the finger.
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    And when I hit my finger of the left hand,
    the left hand suffered.
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    The right hand right away put down the hammer
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    and took care of the left hand
    in the most tender way.
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    Like it is taking care of itself.
    Very tenderly.
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    It does not consider it as its duty.
    No.
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    Things just happen like that, very naturally.
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    My right hand does things for my left hand
    as if it does for itself.
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    There's no discrimination
    "I am I, and you are you."
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    Remember that psychologist who said,
    "I am me, and you are you.
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    And if by chance we agree with each other,
    that's good"? No, this is not the case.
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    My right hand does not say, "I am me
    and you are you. We are different hands."
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    There is no such a thinking.
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    And my two hands practice perfectly the teaching
    of the Buddha: no-self, no separate self.
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    My right hand considered the suffering
    of my left hand as his own suffering.
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    That is why it does...
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    It did everything in order to take care
    of the left hand.
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    My left hand did not have any anger at all.
    I assure you. Please believe me.
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    My left hand did not have any anger
    towards right hand.
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    It did not say, "You, right hand, you have done me
    injustice. Give me that hammer, I want justice!"
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    [Laughter in the audience]
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    There's no such thing.
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    And that is why you have confirmed that
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    there is a kind of wisdom that is inherent
    in my right hand and my left hand.
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    And that wisdom is called by the Buddha
    the wisdom of non-discrimination.
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    If you have it, you don't have to suffer at all.
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    The wisdom of non-discrimination is written
    in Chinese like this.
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    In Sanskit, Nirvikalpa-jñāna.
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    "vikalpa", discrimination;
    "nirvikalpa", non-discrimination;
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    "jñāna", wisdom.
    The wisdom of non-discrimination.
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    The wisdom of (non-)discrimination is innate in us.
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    But if we allow wrong perceptions & habit energies
    to cover it up, it cannot manifest.
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    The practice of meditation helps us
    to recognize the seed of this freedom in us.
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    And if we cultivated it, we water it every day,
    it will manifest fully and liberate us.
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    In the other person also, there is the wisdom
    of non-discrimination.
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    But because he or she has lived in such a culture,
    in such an environment
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    where the thinking and the action is so much
    categorized by
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    individualism, selfishness, ignorance.
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    That is why the wisdom of non-discrimination
    could not manifest.
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    That year I went to Italy for a retreat.
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    And I notice that they planted olive trees
    by groups of three or four. I was surprised.
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    I asked, "Why do you plant olive trees in groups
    of three or four?"
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    They said, "No we did not."
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    But in fact, if you look, you'll see groups
    of olive trees of three or four.
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    Like that.
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    They explained,
    "There's not three olive trees of four. It's just one.
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    "That year it was so cold that the olive trees died.
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    "But down there, deep down there
    on the level of the root, they did not die.
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    "So after...
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    ... the hard Winter season, Spring came,
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    and young sprouts become... to be born.
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    "And then instead of having one trunk,
    they have three or four trunks of olive trees.
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    "And looking superficially, you think that
    they are three olive trees or four.
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    "But in fact, they are one."
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    If you belong, you are brothers
    of the same parents.
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    You are like that.
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    You have the same roots,
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    Father and Mother.
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    These three or four olive trees
    they have the same block of roots.
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    They look like three different trees,
    four different olive trees. But they are just one.
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    It would be funny if these trees
    discriminate against this one
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    and fight each other and kill each other.
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    That is sheer ignorance.
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    If they look deeply and touch their roots, they know
    that they are brothers, sisters, they are one.
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    Suppose the Israeli touch ...
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    ... the wisdom of non-discrimination,
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    they'll find out that the Palestinians ...
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    ... are their brothers.
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    They are like the right hand and the left hand.
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    And it will be very silly
    to consider each other as enemies,
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    and killing each other for the sake of survival.
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    It would be...
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    a pity
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    if Hindu and Muslim have to kill each other,
    have to fight each other.
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    It would be a pity if Catholics and Protestants
    fight and kill each other.
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    Because they are of the same roots.
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    They have not been able to touch
    their ground of being,
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    allowing the wisdom of non-discrimination
    to manifest, to show them the way and the truth.
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    When you go to your true home,
    when you are able to touch your true home,
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    you see that everything includes everything else,
    you touch the nature of interbeing, of everything.
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    This flower
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    If you look deeply into the flower, you'll see what?
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    You see a cloud.
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    Because you know that if there's no cloud,
    there will be no rain
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    and this flower cannot manifest herself.
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    So looking into the flower you see an element
    you don't call flower, but it is part of the flower.
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    Cloud, or water.
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    If you remove the cloud from the flower,
    the flower cannot be there for you anymore.
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    And if you look deeply, you'll see the sunshine.
    Well, the sunshine is in it.
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    Without the sunshine, nothing can grow.
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    I can touch the sunshine
    by touching the petal of the flower.
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    If you remove the sunshine,
    the flower will disappear.
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    When you look into the flower
    you see the earth, you see the minerals,.
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    You cannot remove the elements,
    soil and minerals, out of the flower.
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    It will collapse, it will vanish.
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    That is why you can say that
    every flower is made of only non-flower elements.
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    Right? Cloud is a non-flower element,
    essential to the flower.
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    Sunshine is a non-flower element.
    The soil, the compost,... are non-flower elements.
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    Without non-flower elements, a flower cannot
    manifest herself as a wonderful thing.
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    A flower cannot be by herself alone.
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    Without the sunshine, without the rain,
    without the soil, a flower cannot be.
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    A flower can only inter-be.
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    Inter-be with the sunshine, with the cloud,
    with the soil, with the farmer, and everything.
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    So to be means to inter-be.
    You cannot be by yourself alone.
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    And a flower is made exclusively
    of non-flower elements.
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    If you remove all non-flower elements,
    there's no flower to be seen and to be touched.
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    So the flower has no separate existence.
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    You cannot imagine that there's a flower
    without sunshine, without cloud, without soil.
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    Such a thing does not exist.
    And the Buddha called it a "Self".
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    The flower is full of everything, of the cosmos,
    except one thing the flower does not have,
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    that is a separate self, a separate existence.
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    And this is the insight of the Buddha.
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    The flower is full of everything, full of the cosmos,
    but empty of a self, of a separate existence.
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    This is important.
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    With meditation, with mindfulness and
    concentration, you can look deeply into the flower
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    and you discover the nature of emptiness.
    Empty of what? Empty of a separate existence.
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    But at the same time,
    the flower is totally full of the cosmos.
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    So "to be"...
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    ... the real meaning of "to be"
    is "to inter-be".
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    You cannot "be" by yourself alone. You have to
    "inter-be" with everyone else, everything else.
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    That is the case of the flower.
    That is the case of the table.
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    That is the case of the house.
    That is the case of river.
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    Suppose we speak of America as a flower.
    What is America made of?
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    Only non-American elements.
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    Culturally speaking, America is made
    only of non-American elements.
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    Ethnically speaking, America is made
    only of non-American elements.
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    Geographically speaking, it's the same.
    America has no self, no separate self.
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    And America cannot be by herself alone. America
    has to inter-be with non-American elements.
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    And this is the teaching of the Buddha.
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    This is the insight that you can touch
    with the practice of looking deeply.
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    America is made only of non-American elements.
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    And if you have that wisdom, you'll do everything
    in order to protect non-American elements.
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    If you destroy non-American elements,
    you destroy America.
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    Right?
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    In fact, America now is doing a lot of harm
    to non-American elements.
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    America thinks that she has a self, a separate self.
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    That is why you have to bring the wisdom
    back to America.
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    So America realizes that she's made only
    of non-American elements.
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    [Touching the bell once]
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    [Bell]
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    If America is made only
    of non-American elements,
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    and then ...
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    the American, the American citizens
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    the Americans are made
    of non-American elements.
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    There's no such a thing
    as an American identity.
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    Looking deeply into an American,
    you see only non-American elements.
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    There's no such a thing called a self,
    American self, American entity.
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    Scientifically speaking,
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    the idea of self, the idea of entity, is an illusion.
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    And if you touch your truth of non-self,
    you are free.
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    And if you allow that illusion to occupy you,
    you continue to suffer a lot.
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    Buddhism. What is Buddhism?
    What is Buddhism made of?
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    It's very clear: Buddhism is made only
    of non-Buddhist elements.
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    That's why it's silly to die for Buddhism,
    to kill for Buddhism.
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    And therefore, Buddhism does not accept
    any crusade, any holy war.
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    Because in Buddhism, there should be the wisdom
    of non-discrimination, the wisdom of no-self.
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    That is why if you consider to be a Buddhist,
    you don't fight for Buddhism
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    in such a way that you destroy
    non-Buddhist elements.
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    A holy war in Buddhism is unthinkable, unacceptable.
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    Because if you wage war against
    non-Buddhist elements,
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    you wage war against Buddhism.
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    Because Buddhism is made only of
    non-Buddhist elements.
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    That is why the spirit of tolerance,
    of all-embracing, in Buddhism is so clear.
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    As a Buddhist, you are not caught in the idea
    that Buddhism is a self.
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    As a true Buddhist, you embrace
    all non-Buddhist elements.
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    You don't discriminate
    against Christianity, Judaism, Islam,...
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    because looking deeply you see
    beautiful elements in every tradition.
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    You can see Buddhist elements in their traditions.
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    And you can help them to ...
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    ... to unearth, to discover the beautiful things
    that are...
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    that have been hidden in it.
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    When I look into the Christian gospel
    deeply with the eyes of a practitioner,
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    I see the teaching of interbeing in it.
    I see the teaching of non-self in it.
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    I see the teaching of non-discrimination in it
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    that have not been explored
    and developed by Christian theologians.
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    If I were born a Christian, I would do that.
    [Laughter in the audience].
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    You call me a Vietnamese,
    and you are very sure that I am a Vietnamese.
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    And you consider Vietnamese as an identity.
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    In my case, I don't have a Vietnamese passport.
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    I don't have an identity card.
    Legally speaking, I am not a Vietnamese.
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    Culturally speaking, speaking in terms of culture,
    I have elements of French culture in me,
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    of Chinese culture in me, of Indian culture in me,
    even American Indian culture in me.
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    There's no such a thing as a Vietnamese culture.
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    And when you look into my writing,
    my person, my Dharma talk,
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    you can discover several sources
    of culture and cultural streams.
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    Articulately speaking, there's no such a race
    called Vietnamese race.
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    Looking into me, you can see
    Melanesian element, Indonesian element,
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    Mongolian element, Negrito element,...
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    The Vienamese race is made
    only of non-Vietnamese elements.
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    And if you know that, you are free.
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    The cosmos has come together
    in order to help you to manifest.
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    And in you, the whole cosmos can be found.
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    When I hold a flower, I invite you to look deeply
    into the flower,
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    you can see the sunshine, the cloud,
    the earth, the minerals,...
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    But if you continue to look, you'll find out that everything in the cosmos is present in the flower.
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    Including time, space, and consciousness.
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    Yes, consciousness is in the flower.
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    Collective consciousness
    and individual consciousnesses.
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    Because the flower, first of all,
    is an object of your perception.
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    And perception is consciousness.
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    To perceive means to perceive something.
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    And the flower is just the object of your perception.
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    Perception includes the perceiver
    and the perceived,
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    and what you hold in your hand is not a separate entity.
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    It is part of your perception.
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    Therefore your consciousness is in the flower.
    And the flower is in your consciousness.
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    That is the teaching of the Buddha,
    concerning mind.
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    The wisdom of interbeing helps you to touch
    the wisdom of non-discrimination in you
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    and set you free.
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    There is no more discrimination.
    There is no more hatred.
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    You don't think that you want to belong just to
    one geographical area, or cultural identity.
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    Looking into yourself, you see a multitude of
    ethnic sources, a multitude of cultural sources.
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    And you can see the presence
    of the whole cosmos within yourself.
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    You may manifest as a lotus flower.
    You might manifest as a magnolia flower.
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    You might manifest as an orange flower.
    But every kind of flower is beautiful.
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    Whether that flower is red, or yellow,
    or white, or black.
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    Scientifically, you know that a color has no self.
    A color is made only of elements... other colors.
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    Looking deeply into one color, you'll see
    all the other kinds, all the other colors in it.
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    White. The color white is made
    of non-white elements.
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    And that can be proved scientifically.
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    The color brown is made of non-brown elements.
    The color black is made of non-black elements.
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    We inter-are. That is the fact.
    We inter-are. You are in me. And I am in you.
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    It's silly to discriminate against each other.
    This is ignorance.
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    It is ignorance to discriminate, to think that
    you are superior than me, that I am superior to you
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    and so on.
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    In Europe and in America, there are many people who have mental illness.
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    And psychotherapists used to tell them
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    because they have a low self-esteem,
    and that's why they suffer.
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    And they try everything in order to help you
    to feel that you are superior.
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    In this Winter retreat, the monastics
    in the Deer Park
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    study the role of the Benedictine monks
    together with the Buddhist Pratimokṣa.
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    Comparative studies of the two traditions.
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    And we found out that in the Benedictine tradition
    they tried to combat ...
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    ... the complex of superiority, arrogance,
    with the complex of inferiority.
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    "I am nothing, I'm not worth a worm, I'm..."
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    Because the complex, the feeling that
    you are superior can bring about a lot of suffering.
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    That is why in order to counter, to heal that,
    you use the complex of inferiority.
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    But the complex of inferiority is also a complex.
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    You are using a poison
    in order to neutralize another poison.
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    According to the teaching of the Buddha,
    there is no "self". You cannot compare.
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    There's nothing to compare with.
    There's no "self" to compare with.
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    The right hand and the left hand,
    they don't have a separate self.
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    That is why you cannot compare.
    And you should not compare.
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    That is why you don't suffer.
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    In Buddhism, all complexes are born
    from the notion of "self".
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    There are three complexes, not two.
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    The complex of superiority called "thắng mạn".
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    In Vietnamese, (it's) called "thắng mạn".
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    And if you think that you are superior
    to him, or to her, or to them, you are sick.
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    And the ground of your sickness
    is your illusion of self, of a self that is "better".
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    And many of us have been struggling
    in order to prove that "we are better",
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    "we are more powerful than they",
    "we are clever than they".
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    We are trying to seek for happiness
    by proving that we are superior.
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    We behave like a hammer, trying to drive the nail
    in order to prove that
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    "Everyone is the nail except me, the hammer".
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    [Audience laughing]
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    And all our life we try to demonstrate one thing,
    "I am superior to you", ...
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    ... "our nation is superior to you",
    "our race is superior to yours".
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    You want to prove that you are, military speaking,
    you are number one power.
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    You can overpower every other nation.
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    You want to prove that, military speaking,
    you can defeat any nation.
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    And that gives you some satisfaction, "Oh,
    I'm superior to them. Mine is the mightiest nation."
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    And when they suffered, the other side suffered,
    they wanted to respond in the same way.
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    They wanted to say that: "We are not nothing.
    We are something.
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    If you can hit us that way,
    we can hit you back the other way."
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    "If you can bomb us, we can bring a bomb
    and blow ourselves in a bus.
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    We can make you sleepless. We can
    make your nation live day and night in fear."
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    So they try to retaliate, to prove
    that they are something, they are not nothing.
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    And both sides are trying that, they
    can do something to punish, they are superior.
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    And that is happening with many groups,
    where (there's) the Palestinians, Israelis,
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    Hindus and Muslims,
    anti-terrorism and terrorism.
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    We want to prove that we are not nothing,
    we are worth something.
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    And you cannot look down on us.
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    And all that kind of striving
    is based on the illusion of "self".
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    In fact we inter-are. If you suffer, we suffer also.
    If you are in safety, we'll be in safety also.
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    Safety and peace are not individual matters.
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    If the other person is not safe, you cannot be safe.
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    If the other person is not happy,
    there's no way that you can be happy.
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    Look at a couple: If the Father is unhappy,
    the son has no chance to be happy.
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    If the wife is not happy, well,
    it's very difficult for the husband to be happy.
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    That is why happiness is not an individual matter.
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    You have to see that nature of interbeing.
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    When you make the other person happy,
    you have a chance to be happy also.
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    And that is why the insight of interbeing
    is the ground for peace and happiness.
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    You have to touch the ground of your interbeing.
    You have to help him, to help her
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    touch the ground of interbeing
    and the discrimination will vanish.
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    So the complex of superiority brings
    a lot of suffering to you and to them
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    because when they suffer of
    the complex of inferiority, they struggle,
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    and they make you suffer.
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    According to the Buddha, the complex
    of superiority, or high self-esteem, is a sickness.
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    Because it is based on the illusion of "self".
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    And now, low self-esteem, "liệt mạng", inferiority,
    is another sickness.
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    And you cannot use a poison
    in order to heal a poison. You'll go around.
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    Because the suffering of the complex of inferiority
    is also born from the illusion of a separate "self".
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    The right hand and the left hand
    have no separate self.
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    The three olive trees,
    they don't have a separate existence.
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    The two brothers also. The two sisters also.
    The two partners also.
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    And then if you consider yourself as equal
    to him or to her, that's also a sickness.
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    Because there is a "self", that is why
    you can compare. And there's a competition.
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    "You know, I am as good as you are.
    I will prove it."
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    And then that will cause also a lot of suffering. So
    psychotherapy in Buddhism is a little bit different.
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    Psychotherapy in Buddhism is based on the wisdom of no "self", of interbeing.
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    That is why when you remove the notion of "self"
    you are free from three kinds of complexes.
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    And there will be peace, reconciliation,
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    and brotherhood and sisterhood.
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    And Buddha is not a God.
    Buddha is a human being like us.
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    He had suffered, he had practiced.
    He was able to transform himself.
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    And he was able to transmit the wisdom
    of interbeing, of non-discrimination to us.
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    And with that wisdom, we can liberate us,
    and we help liberate the world...
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    ... with our practice.
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    We'll live without any kind of complex, whether
    the complex of superiority, or inferiority, or equality.
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    Because there is no "self".
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    To be a lotus flower is wonderful.
    But to be a magnolia flower is equally wonderful.
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    In the lotus, there is a magnolia.
    In the magnolia, there is a lotus.
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    The Buddha told us that
    man is made of non-man elements,
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    namely animals, vegetals, and minerals.
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    And that is why you have to remove
    the notion of man, human being.
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    If the human being is aware of the fact
    that he is made only of non-human elements,
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    namely animal elements, vegetal elements,
    and mineral elements,
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    he would know how to protect the life of
    animals, minerals, and vegetables.
  • 60:27 - 60:34
    And he will not exploit them, pollute them,
    or destroy them.
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    Because protecting the realm of animals,
    protecting the realms of vegetals and the minerals
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    is to protect the realm of humans.
    That is the teaching of the Diamond Sutra.
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    The Diamond Sutra
    is the most ancient text on deep ecology.
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    Looking into man, you have to see non-man
    elements, namely animals, vegetals, and minerals.
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    The teaching is so clear, and simple enough for us
    to understand, to touch, and to practice.
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    [Bell]
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    Thay needs some non-Thay elements
    [smiling and preparing tea]
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    (Someone asked) us, "Dear Thay,
    in your true home, is there any suffering?"
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    You enjoy your true home.
    But does suffering exist in your true home?
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    (There's) the Four Noble Truths.
    And the First Noble Truth is ill-being.
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    Dukkha.
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    He encouraged us to take a deep look
    to recognize ill-being
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    and to take a deep look
    into the nature of our ill-being.
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    He advised us not to try to run away from ill-being.
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    Ill-being is suffering.
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    But why the Buddha called suffering a noble truth?
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    What is so noble about suffering?
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    The fact is that...
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    ... thanks to suffering, thanks to the understanding
    of the nature of suffering
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    that you have a chance to cultivate
    your understanding and your compassion.
  • 64:30 - 64:36
    Without suffering, there's no way that you can learn to be understanding and compassionate.
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    And that is why suffering is noble.
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    You should not allow suffering to overwhelm you.
  • 64:43 - 64:47
    But if you know how to look deeply into the nature
    of suffering and learn from it,
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    and then you have the wisdom of understanding
    and the wisdom of compassion.
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    And ill-being can be described in terms of
    violence, discrimination, hate, jealousy, and so on.
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    Anger, craving, and especially ignorance.
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    Because of ignorance, we do a lot of things that
    make us suffer, and make the other person suffer.
  • 66:20 - 66:27
    And the Gospel said, "Lord, forgive them
    because they don't know what they are doing".
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    That is ignorance. Ignorance is
    the nature of ill-being, the root of ill-being.
  • 66:43 - 66:47
    And the Buddha spoke about
    the Second Noble Truth,
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    it is the making of ill-being,
    how ill-being has been made,
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    what is the root of ill-being,
    what is the cause of ill-being.
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    The path leading to ill-being.
    That is the Second Noble Truth.
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    Ill-being has its roots
    and for a practitioner,...
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    when she looks deeply into the nature of ill-being,
    she discovers the roots of that ill-being...
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    ...and the understanding of the nature of ill-being.
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    [Sound of the marker scribbling on the white board]
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    Suddenly, the Fourth Noble Truth reveals itself.
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    If this is the path leading to ill-being,
    and then we should not follow this path.
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    We recognize this path as ignoble.
    The Ignoble Path that leads to ill-being.
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    We discover a noble path leading
    to the cessation of ill-being.
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    And of course, the Third Noble Truth,
    the cessation of ill-being.
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    "The cessation of ill-being"
    means "the birth of well-being".
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    Ill-being means the absence...
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    ... of well-being
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    "The absence of ill-being"
    means "the presence of well-being".
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    It's like when there is a darkness, there is no light.
    And when darkness stops, light reveals itself.
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    According to the teaching and the practice,
    the presence of well-being is possible.
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    And the cessation of ill-being is possible
    with the practice of the Noble Path.
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    And the Noble Path
    leading to the cessation of ill-being
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    cannot be seen unless you understand
    ill-being and the nature of ill-being.
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    That is why the First Truth is noble.
    The Second one is noble.
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    The Third is noble. And the Fourth is noble.
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    The Noble Path leading
    to the cessation of ill-being...
  • 72:14 - 72:16
    ... is Right View,
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    the wisdom of non-discrimination,
    the wisdom of interbeing.
  • 72:37 - 72:41
    And when you have that wisdom,
    you have Right Thinking:
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    you think only in terms of interbeing,
    in terms of non-self, in terms of non-discrimination.
  • 72:56 - 73:01
    When your thinking is characterized
    by discrimination and anger,
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    that's no Right Thinking, that's Wrong Thinking,
    leading to wrong actions, and wrong speech.
  • 73:09 - 73:11
    And that is why Right Thinking
    is the kind of thinking
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    that goes along with understanding
    and love and compassion.
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    Because they are born from Right View,
  • 73:18 - 73:23
    from the wisdom of interbeing,
    the wisdom of non-discrimination.
  • 73:24 - 73:29
    And when you thinking is right,
    your speech will be right, Right Speech.
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    And when your view are right,
    your thinking is right, your physical...
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    Your bodily actions will be right,
    Right Action.
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    And we have Right Livelihood.
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    Et cetera.
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    This is not a course called "Buddhism".
    [audience giggling]
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    This is a retreat.
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    People think of the Kingdom of God is a place
    where there is not suffering.
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    And most people tend to think
    that the Kingdom of God is a place
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    where there is only happiness, no suffering.
  • 74:51 - 74:54
    And many Buddhists believe that
    the Pure Land of Buddha, ...
  • 74:55 - 75:00
    ... in the Pure Land of Buddha, people don't suffer,
    there's no suffering.
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    And this is ...
  • 75:06 - 75:08
    dualistic thinking.
  • 75:14 - 75:20
    It betrays.. It goes against the wisdom
    of Buddhism, the wisdom of interbeing.
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    Look at this marker.
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    You call this side your left,
    this side your right.
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    Do you believe that the right is possible
    without the left?
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    No, without left, there is no right.
    Without right, there's no left.
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    If you are politically on the left,
    don't wish for the disappearance of the right.
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    If there is no right, you cannot exist as a left.
  • 75:57 - 76:05
    So you have to wish for the existence of the right,
    in order for you to be on the left.
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    Now I turn like this and we see
    that is above and the below.
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    Do you think the above can exist
    without the below?
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    No.
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    Do you think we can grow lotus flower without
    the mud? Can we grow lotus flower on marbles?
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    No.
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    In order to grow vegetables,
    you need the compost.
  • 76:29 - 76:32
    And you can make garbage into compost.
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    If you are organic gardener, you'll know that
    you don't need to throw the garbage away.
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    Garbage are organic.
    And with the garbage ...
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    ... you can make compost
    and you can nourish flowers and vegetables.
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    So suffering and happiness are all organic. If you
    know, you can transform suffering into well-being.
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    This is the teaching of the Buddha, nondualistic.
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    There's no lotus flower possible
    without the mud.
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    There's no understanding and compassion
    without suffering.
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    I would never want to send my children to a place
    where there is no suffering,
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    because in such a place,
    my children have no chance
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    to learn how to understand
    and to be compassionate.
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    It is by touching suffering, understanding suffering,
    that you have a chance
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    to learn, to understand people,
    and suffering of people.
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    And out of that understanding of
    the suffering of the people, and your own suffering,
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    you begin to know what it means
    by being compassionate.
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    No lotus flower can be without mud.
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    And that is why my definition
    of the Kingdom of God is not a place
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    where there is no suffering.
    There IS suffering.
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    But there IS an opportunity for you
    to cultivate understanding and compassion.
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    So my definition of the Kingdom of God is a place
    where there IS understanding and compassion.
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    A place where there is no
    understanding and compassion is hell.
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    The Pure Land is also like that.
    The Pure Land is a kind of university.
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    The Bodhisattvas are teachers
    of understanding and love,
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    and they need suffering in order to help people
    to understand and to be compassionate.
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    Even...
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    When you see a lot of violence, discrimination,
    hate, jealousy, and craving,
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    and if you are equipped with
    understanding and compassion, you don't suffer.
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    You are the Bodhisattva.
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    You are the teacher of
    understanding and compassion.
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    And you are helping people to learn how to be
    more understanding and compassionate.
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    And you are doing...
    you are building the Kingdom of God.
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    You are building the Pure Land of the Buddha.
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    How beautiful, how meaningful your life (is)
    because you have the chance.
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    You are the organic gardener.
    You know how to make use of the garbage in order
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    to nourish the flowers and the vegetables.
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    You are making life
    more beautiful, more meaningful
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    because you have the power
    of understanding and compassion in you.
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    And understanding and compassion protect you.
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    You don't have to suffer,
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    even if there is anger, there is violence,
    there is discrimination against you.
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    Understanding brings about compassion.
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    And those of us who have understanding
    and compassion, we don't have to suffer.
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    We don't have any kind of complex.
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    And in my true home, there is
    the presence of well-being.
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    Because understanding and compassion is there.
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    That is why I'm capable of protecting myself
    and protecting other people.
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    [missing audio] my care, I help them to cultivate
    more understanding and compassion
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    for them not to suffer because of
    the presence of these negative things.
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    A garden should have both garbage and flower.
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    And the gardener, if she is an organic gardener,
    she knows how to master the situation,
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    how to handle the garbage, in order for the flower
    to be protected and to grow.
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    And that is why in a world where there is violence,
    discrimination, hate, and craving ...
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    if you are equipped with wisdom, Right View,
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    the wisdom of interbeing, the wisdom of non-
    discrimination, you don't have to suffer.
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    Pain is inevitable.
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    But suffering is optional.
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    You are protected by
    understanding and compassion.
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    You are not a victim anymore.
    You are not THE victim anymore.
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    It is them who are the victims
    of their ignorance and discrimination.
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    And they are the object of your work.
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    You are living in such a way
    so that you can help them
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    to remove, to transform their ignorance,
    their discrimination, their craving, their hatred.
  • 83:08 - 83:11
    Craving ...
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    ... is born from ignorance.
    Anger is born from ignorance.
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    You crave to be recognized as superior.
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    You crave for power, ...
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    ... for fame,
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    ... for wealth.
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    You don't know that, around us, many people
    who have plenty of power, of fame, and of wealth,
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    they suffer very deeply of solitude,
    of loneliness, of despair.
  • 83:52 - 83:54
    And many of them have committed suicide.
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    Those who have a lot of power,
    a lot of wealth, and a lot of fame.
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    Why people who have
    a lot of understanding and compassion in them, ...
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    ... they don't have to suffer at all,
    they can live happily?
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    Because they are protected by their wisdom
    and their compassion.
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    [Sound of small bell]
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    [Sound of small bell]
Title:
Nondiscrimination | Dharma Talk by Thich Nhat Hanh, 2004.03.26
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