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- Black and a black and
one red card, right there.
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You show me 20, you get 100, right here.
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Show me 20, get 100, go on, turn it over.
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Holy, What happened?
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Ya gotta watch the card, I'm tellin' ya,
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you gotta watch it, so simple.
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- [Narrator] Something
shocking is about to happen
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in this New York City park.
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Pay close attention and
take note of the details.
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- [Street Performer] Oh, oh my goodness!
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No, you got it wrong!
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- You will be tested.
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- With all the money.
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You see, there it is.
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There it isn't, which one is it?
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Go ahead, point to it.
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This one right here?
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Look, look, which one did you say?
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This one, sir, you showed where the money,
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your's the winner.
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You see that's the way
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you gotta pay attention, all you gotta--
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(yelling in foreign language)
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- What, I can't, I don't understand you!
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(yelling in foreign language)
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- What are you saying, I can't
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I don't understand what you're saying!
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Hey, hey!
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Hey, hey!
- Yo, yo, yo!
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] You and 20
unsuspecting bystanders
-
just witnessed a crime.
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- [Man] Hey, hey!
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- [Narrator] And now, you're
part of the investigation.
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An interactive experience, in which you,
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the viewer, can play along.
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Can you help collar a criminal,
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or will your memory let you down.
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- The lady, follow that pretty
lady with all the money.
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You see there it is, there it isn't.
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- [Narrator] Before we test
your memory, we're going to let
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you see the crime one more time.
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(yelling in foreign language)
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- What what, I can't,
I don't understand you!
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What are you saying, I can't!
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I don't understand what you're saying!
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Hey, hey get back!
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Hey!
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- [Narrator] Now, take
a moment to think about
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what you just saw.
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- [Man] Hey hey!
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Hey, hey!
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- [Narrator] What just happened?
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Stop us when we say
something that's false.
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A woman was yelling.
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A man ran from the scene.
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A woman was robbed.
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Did you say stop?
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You're right, that last
statement wasn't true.
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But if you're not sure about the details,
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don't worry, you're not alone.
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- [Greg] The most
surprising thing I learned
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about memory, is that you have
to know that it is faulty.
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Almost everybody thinks they have
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the best memories and it's not true.
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- [Narrator] Meet retired
NYPD detective Greg Walsh.
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For over 25 years, he's had to rely
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on people's memories to solve crimes.
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- Memory starts to fade right away,
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that's why you have to get
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and interview your witnesses immediately.
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It's up to the detective to
find out who is the best.
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Can you describe to me what you saw?
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- A woman just came out of nowhere yelling
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at this guy in Russian?
- Spanish.
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- Definitely Eastern or Central European
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- You have 20 witnesses,
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you're gonna get 20 different stories.
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- They knew each other.
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- I don't think he knew her.
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- She was Asian.
- Caucasian.
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- Middle Eastern.
- Mediterranean.
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- When you're interviewing
witness there's a,
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take like a potato.
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A potato, that's the person's memory.
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But when you take that potato
and you put it in the stew,
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and you're makin stew and
you're putting vegetables
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and all sorts of things, well,
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now the reliability is not as good.
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- Then this little kid
zipped by, a little boy.
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- [Narrator] As you listen
to these actual witnesses,
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see how your memory of
the crime matches theirs.
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- He was mugging her.
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- There's gonna be a thread of truth
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running through all the 20 witnesses
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and you're gonna
concentrate on that thread.
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- Long black hair.
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- Long hair.
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- Black hair.
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- A good witness is someone
who's measured in their thoughts
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Doesn't give an answer too
quickly, is not too excited.
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- Seemed to start out with a
woman and a gentleman arguing,
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few seconds later,
another gentleman came up
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and ran up behind him.
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Now, back to
you, are you a good witness?
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Let's put your memory to the test.
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Do you remember how many
people, including the victim,
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were involved in our crime?
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What do you think?
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Two, three, four?
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How does your memory compare
to the other eye witnesses?
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- It's just three people
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- One girl, one guy.
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- [Greg] One girl, one guy.
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- Not only were the two men involved,
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but she was probably
also involved as well.
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- [Narrator] The correct answer is four.
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But if you didn't get
all that, don't feel bad.
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Okay, now that you're a pro with names,
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let's return to the scene of
the crime we witnessed earlier
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to test your memory on
something more serious.
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Retired NYPD detective, Greg Walsh,
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has picked up five suspects.
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One of them was involved
in the park robbery.
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Can you identify which one?
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Take your time, your
testimony is very important.
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(dramatic music)
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- Eye witness testimony is
considered by juries, still,
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and most people to be the
most reliable information.
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When you go into a line up, you say,
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do you recognize anybody?
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You don't say do you see the
person who committed the crime,
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you say, no, do you recognize somebody?
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Very important that you use
this verbiage all the time.
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Where do you recognize that person from?
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- [Narrator] Which suspects
do our witnesses recognize?
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- Maybe five would be the closest,
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that he could've been the one.
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- If I had to say anybody I'd
say it would be number five.
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- Five
- Take your time, alright now
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five, you say that it's number five.
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Where did you see five from?
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- I seen him during the crime, when he
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reached into a old guy's bag and took
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something outta his bag and ran off.
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- [Greg] And how sure are
your of this identification?
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- 65%.
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He looked like the criminal that ran away.
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He just, looked familiar,
like he was there.
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- Number five, he has similar hair.
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- Uh huh, alright,
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Is there anybody there that you recognize?
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- I think number four.
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- I think number five.
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- Number five?
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(dramatic music)
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- [Narrator] Of these eight witnesses,
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six believe suspect
number five is the thief.
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Do you agree?
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Is this the man you would send to jail?
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(yelling in foreign language)
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- I don't understand what you're saying!
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Hey, hey!
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- [Narrator] Earlier,
you and 20 spectators
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witnessed a crime.
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One of these five men was the thief.
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Do you recognize which one?
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The actual perp, is suspect number three.
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If you chose suspect number
five, like the other witnesses,
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you do have great recall for faces.
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This man was, indeed, in the
crowd at the crime scene.
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But you almost sent the wrong guy to jail.
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Due to a trick of the mind
called unconscious transference.
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- Number five was
standing around the scene,
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around the Three-Card Monty dealer,
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so his presence is there.
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So though they might not
recognize where they saw him from,
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they recognize him,
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therefore that must be the
person who committed the crime.
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They, in fact, might
even create a new memory
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when they see the person
and move that person
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as the person who committed the crime,
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and now they will firmly
believe that that is the person.
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- [Man] If you're ever watching
see, there's a little--
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- [Narrator] Okay, ready to
put your brain to another test?
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Now that some time has
passed, close your eyes,
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and think back to the crime we showed you
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earlier in the park.
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- [Man] I don't speak your--
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(yelling in foreign language)
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- [Narrator] Watch the
action play out in your mind.
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- [Man] Hey, hey!
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- [Narrator] What details
are you sure are real?
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Got 'em?
- Hey, hey, hey!
-
- [Elizabeth] You don't really need a PhD
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to know that as time passes memory fades,
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but what is less well known is
that as the memory is fading,
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it becomes more and more vulnerable.
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- [Narrator] Dr. Elizabeth
Loftus studies memory
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and the various ways
it can be manipulated.
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It may not matter if you can't remember
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what you had for dinner last night,
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but what if a jury was relying
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on your eye witness testimony.
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- We know from an analysis
of hundreds of cases
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of wrongful conviction
where people have spent
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years and years in prison
for crimes they didn't do,
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that the major cause of
those wrongful convictions
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is faulty human memory.
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Somebody can have a false
memory or a distorted memory
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and be confident, detailed and emotional
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about something that's wrong.
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(upbeat music)
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- [Narrator] Get ready
to test the reliability
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of your and our eyewitness' memories.
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You're here in a Brooklyn
court room for testimony.
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Pay close attention to
what you're about to hear,
-
because everything you
thought you knew might change.
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- Hi everyone, I'm Elizabeth
and I'm just gonna be asking
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you a few questions.
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What do you remember?
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- I remember a woman
screaming in some language,
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I don't know what it was, maybe Italian?
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- Somebody ran up and grabbed
something out of his bag,
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ran off, and I remember the woman,
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she was still standing there for a second.
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I remember she had, like,
really long, dark hair,
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she had on a red coat,
that's pretty much it.
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- I was thinking to say I saw
a white blazer on this woman
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- [Woman] See yeah, so did I.
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- I definitely saw her in red,
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cause she was the first thing that I saw.
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- So you agree with
that, but you disagree.
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- Yeah well when he said red,
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that kind of triggered my memory of red.
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- Good, details, the more the merrier.
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- I saw somebody come over and just
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take his camera out of his bag.
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He had like a shoulder bag.
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- Did anybody see the
camera, raise your hand.
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Okay, we have three of you.
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- And definitely grabbed a
camera out of the guy's bag,
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silver camera and ran off
in the same direction,
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so he sort of came from my right,
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and then kept going off to the left.
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- Something dropped, and then I realized
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it was something that the older guy had.
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- By the way, we've heard sort
of conflicting information
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about the hat she was wearing,
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some said it was grayish and
some said it was greenish.
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Do you remember that hat?
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- Yeah, I think it was definitely grayish.
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- [Elizabeth] Grayish?
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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- [Woman] I don't remember a hat at all.
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- [Together] Me either.
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- [Elizabeth] Really?
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- I think she did have a
hat and maybe it fell off
-
when she started screaming at the guy.
-
(dramatic music)
(yelling in foreign language)
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- [Narrator] So how does your memory
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compare with the witnesses?
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Here's a list of statements.
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Stop us when you hear one that isn't true.
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The woman's coat is red.
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The man dropped his camera.
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The camera is silver.
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The woman's coat is white.
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Did you say stop?
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What if we told you every single one
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of those statements is false.
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- I would go on the stand and testify
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that I saw the young lady
with a white blazer on.
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- I'm actually adamant
about the fact that her coat
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was either cream or a white wool coat.
-
- And before you know it another guy came
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and he ran off and it
was a object dropped.
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- His camera case was empty after.
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- The truth is I don't know.
-
- Are we gonna find out
what happened? (laughs)
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- [Narrator] And what if we told you,
-
to really throw you off track,
-
we've planted two extra
witnesses in the room
-
who have deliberately
messed with your memory
-
and the memories of everyone else.
-
Well, we did.
-
- I am a psychological
scientist, I study human memory.
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Particularly, the malleability of memory.
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I do experiments in
which we deliberately try
-
to distort people's memory for things
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that have happened in the past.
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Or even try to plant
entirely false memories
-
into the minds of people.
-
Hi.
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- [Amanda] Hi, I'm Amanda.
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- Hi Amanda, I'm Elizabeth.
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- Hi nice to meet you!
- Jordan.
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Nice to meet you.
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- [Narrator] Before joining
the other witnesses,
-
Amanda and Jordan were given
a mission by Dr. Loftus.
-
- What we're gonna try to
do is distort the memories
-
of some of the real
witnesses to this theft.
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What you remember should
contain a lot of true details,
-
things that if the real witnesses remember
-
they'll resonate to and
then the false information.
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If you would say, "Oh by the way,
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"the woman had long dark
hair and a red coat"
-
- Okay.
-
- Good to go.
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- [Amanda] Okay, thank you!
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- [Jordan] Thanks!
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- [Narrator] Could two
fake witnesses plant
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fake details about the woman's coat
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and man's camera into the
minds of the real witnesses?
-
- [Elizabeth] Witnesses
can pick up information
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from each other that they
incorporate into their memory
-
and it can cause an
alteration, a contamination,
-
a distortion, or even just
add to somebody's memory.
-
Who would be willing, if called,
-
to testify about something
that you're sure about.
-
So, virtually all of you, or many of you
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would go to court and testify.
-
Alright, well let's take a
look at what actually happened.
-
(upbeat electronic music)
-
- Look look look, which
one did you say, this one.
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You showed where the
money, your's the winner.
-
You see that, so when
you gotta pay attention.
-
(yelling in foreign language)
-
- What, what?
-
I don't understand you!
-
What are you saying, I can't,
-
I don't understand what you're saying I!
-
Hey, hey, did, hey!
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Hey!
- Yo, yo, yo!
-
- It was not white!
-
(laughing)
-
- I'm the oldest one up here.
-
Leave me alone.
-
- Cheryl?
-
- I'm stunned, you guys
must've changed the video.
-
(laughing)
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I'm in shock, I don't know what to say,
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I was sure her coat was white.
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Absolutely positive.
-
- I would've bet anything
that I was correct.
-
I don't think I would testify,
-
I'm serious because after that,
nah I wouldn't trust myself.
-
I would go on the stand and testify
-
that I saw the young lady
with a white blazer on.
-
- How about multi-color?
-
- Well.
(laughing)
-
Technically nobody said gray and that's--
-
(laughing)
-
- My name's Elizabeth
Loftus, I study memory
-
and memory distortion and actually
-
we were trying to deliberately
distort your memories.
-
First of all, we tried
to distort your memory
-
by putting shills in
there who deliberately
-
said something wrong.
-
So which of you are the shills?
-
- [Woman] Wow.
-
- Now I know why you placed them
-
at the outside where they could escape.
-
(laughing)
-
- [Narrator] The shills'
mission succeeded.
-
- And before you know it another guy came
-
and he ran off and there
was a object dropped.
-
It seemed like it was a camera bag.
-
- [Greg Walsh] What dropped to the ground?
-
- Uh, I didn't see, I
don't know what it was.
-
- It seemed like he dropped
his camera case as well,
-
cause his camera case was empty after.
-
Almost looked like she
grabbed something of his
-
and went running.
-
- It's really disturbing,
then any witness is faulty.
-
I mean, what are the odds of them
-
actually seeing what actually happened
-
if this many people saw
it and didn't see it.
-
- It's the kind of thing
that goes on in actual cases,
-
even with people like you who
are trying to be as accurate
-
and honest and
straightforward as possible.