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They usually hang them up, they kill them,
they stick their hand down into their body
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cavities and rip out their organs.
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Hi, it’s Emily from Bite Size Vegan with
another vegan nugget.
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I had the honor of speaking in two classes
at the Passaic Valley Regional High school
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in New Jersey.
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I was invited to spend some time with a passionate
vegan student Alyssa, that’s her: “Hi,
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I’m Alyssa, I was the one who contacted
you to set up the conference”, and her attentive
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peers who listened to me ramble on quite a
bit about all manner of animal rights and
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vegan topics.
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This was part of a unique class called ‘Contemporary
Issues Through Video Conferencing’ run by
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Ms. Kathleen Menake.
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The class invites guests speakers to utilize
technology to create an interactive classroom
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and speak with individuals in diverse fields
all over the world.
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So I wanted to share with you guys a segment
from one of the classes.
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I apologize for the rapid speaking in this,
i was really excited to try to fit in as many
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vegan ‘nuggets’ as possible in these 45
minute classes.
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Captions are available for your convenience
and as always, for more information please
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see the description below and the blog post.
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Now it’s time to go back to high school,
where i was always the cool kid...
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Alyssa: I just want to know if you can explain a little bit more about the relationship that our government—
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or just governments in general—have with the agricultural and the factory farming and dairy industries
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…kind of the money that might be exchanged or the power within and things like that.
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Okay, I would love to talk about that.
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The government, especially
in America, but I think other countries
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that I've looked into as well, the regulatory
bodies that are supposed to regulate animal
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agriculture like in America, the USDA, also
have a vested interest: the USDA also
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benefits from more animal products being sold,
so they’re self regulating.
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What we do in America—they stopped doing
this in Europe—but in America for chickens,
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once we've killed them and taken off their
feathers and everything we soak the carcasses
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in these things called tanks.
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They just pop them into this water that this
one industry specialist calls 'fecal soup'
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because the chickens, they've still got a
lot of their feces and they weren't flushed
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out well because they're supposed to —well
what they do is— they usually hang them
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up, they kill them, they stick their hand
down into their body cavities and rip out
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their organs and everything.
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They're supposed to them flush out, flush
out all the poop and everything.
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Doesn't always work that way because we've
also assembly lined 'faster and faster', which
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is how workers lose arms and everything.
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So by the time they get to the water, they
still have fecal matter and stuff on them.
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But you know chicken producers they get paid
per weight most of the time, so the heavier
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the bird is the better.
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So they'll actually even inject
them with more water
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or let them sit there and kinda
[indicates swelling of carcass with hands].
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So it's like yeah, you've got more chicken—
it's just kind of bloated with some poop-water for ya'!
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It's kind of astounding, but the USDA is like,
“well a certain level of fecal matter is
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ok. Just cook it”.
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One of the more recent speeches I did it was
in Dublin, Ireland.
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And when I was putting this together—Ireland
is kind of—you know when people talk about
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free range, grass fed, small farms, Ireland
is the embodiment of that: the entire country
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does it that way.
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So all of the dairy cattle there— they're
very big on dairy, all of the dairy cattle
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are grass fed out in the beautiful Irish fields—
what they don't talk about though, that they
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do have industrial pig farming and chicken
farming.
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But what I did in that speech—and I'm going
to be tying this into what you've asked in
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a second— is one thing I like to do, there
are so many horror stories that I can show
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people, I can show graphic abuse of animals
that even meat-eaters are like "this is wrong,
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we shouldn't be doing this to them.”
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And sometimes it can shock people into waking
up.
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But I think it also leaves this door open
for, "well we just need to treat them better".
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So what I think is more effective is to say,
“Ok, let's look at the ideal.
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Let's look at what we as a society have said
“this is acceptable”.
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So if we look at the ideal, and even that
is not acceptable to us— then it might be
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time to change.
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One of the things I've done very often in
a lot of my research especially going to Portugal
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in Ireland but in America as well, is I look
at the legislation and sometimes it takes
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months and months of digging into, like the
EU legislation, because I have yet to find
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a country that makes it really easy to find
everything.
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For one thing, in America, I think one thing
that people don't always realize, is that
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we have no federal law protecting the treatment
of farmed animals, there's nothing, there's
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no regulation as to how they should be treated
federally.
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There's also something called ‘Common Farming
Exemptions’, which basically means if something
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is done enough across industry—if enough
people do this even if it's awful— we are
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going to call it standard practice and it's
okay.
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So in this Ireland speech, I was going way,
way deep into the legislation —because the
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EU has some of what's lauded as the most widest
range protection for animals, great legislation—
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because in this thing called ‘The Treaty
of Lisbon’ the EU basically was the first
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governmental body to legally say that animals
are sentient, so it's actually in their legislation,
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“animals are sentient”.
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So what they decided from that —now that
they're sentient and we've acknowledged that
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they can feel these emotions and they can
hurt— the conclusion wasn't “now maybe
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we shouldn't kill them" —no— “now we're
going to make sure we design the right ways
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to kill them”.
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So then they launched these different studies
and everything to try and figure out how do
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we kill them and then they drafted this thing
called, ‘The Protection For Animals at the
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Time of Killing’, which sounds absurd and
if you really look in there, one of the things
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I like to talk about is the male chicks in
the egg industry.
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In the egg industry, the chickens who are
laying eggs for human consumption, males can't
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do that.
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And the way that we've specialized things:
we have 'layer hens' and then we have 'broiler’
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chickens.
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So the chickens that you eat are different
than the chickens who have eggs.
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So the male chickens of the egg industry,
there's no use for them, so then the industry
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—the egg industries the world over no matter
how big or little— have to figure out what
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do we do with all these male baby chicks.
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So in every country they're killed.
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I mean there's nothing else to do with them!
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And it's either through gassing them, suffocating
them, or grinding them alive.
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Grinding seems to be the preferred thing.
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In the EU legislation —this landmark stuff
that you hear in the news— “maceration”,
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it's hard to kill chicks, throw them in the
grinder!
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In America too it's the standard.
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Ireland, it's the standard.
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And the reason that they did this —I dug
deep enough to find what's called the ‘Impact
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Assessment’— where they're deciding how
they're gonna kill these animals.
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And of course the people on the panel are
the egg industry, the dairy industry, a company
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called Butina —which I'll talk about in
a second— and they have in there, if we
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gas the chicks, it's going to cost this many
euros... and that's expensive!
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If we grind them up, studies have shown that
it's a negligible cost —it's pretty cheap—
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so what do they put in the humane legislation?
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Grind them up!
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Grind up the baby boys.
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And you know, there's actually now a number
of companies that have spent at least a million
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—I don't know if they've gotten into the
billions of dollars— trying to research
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a way to sex the eggs before they're hatched.
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So we can determine which ones are going to
be boys and then we'll just throw those eggs
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away so they don't hatch and we won't have
to kill them.
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Because the legislation usually says –if
there is any— that they have to be killed
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within the first three days of life.
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Now we're gonna spend years and probably at
the end at least 1 billion dollars trying
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to figure out how to tell if it's a baby boy.
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So when it hatches, we don't have to kill
him.
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And it's kind of like, if we step back from
it, maybe we just shouldn't eat the eggs!
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Maybe we could think about that —that maybe
we shouldn't be doing this— because it's
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kind of ridiculous.
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So that's something where I think...
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I have yet to meet a person who eats eggs
that would wake up in the morning, take a
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little fluffy yellow chick, throw him in a
blender, and blend him up for breakfast!
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But, when you eat eggs, that's what's happening!
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You just don't see it, and you don't want
to connect to it.
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But there's no way to have eggs without that
happening.
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Because the baby boys are waste, they're just
waste material.
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So this one company is trying to develop this
sexing technique, they assume it's like 3.2
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billion baby chicks are killed worldwide every
year.
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And then the EU has their actual number listed,
in the multiple millions.
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So, when we look at these kinds of legislations
,this is our ideal, our humane ideal of how
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to treat these animals.
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And in the dairy industry, baby boys there
are also waste material because dairy cows
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produce milk!
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Boys aren't going to produce milk.
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A mother cow has a baby, and if he's a boy
he's either taken to the veal industry, — which
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a lot of people even meat eaters sometimes
are like "I'm not going to eat veal it's just
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cruel"— so he's shuttled either to the veal
industry, where he's tied up, can't move and
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is slaughtered when he is a couple days old.
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Or sometimes they just shoot him in the head
or they'll bludgeon him, they'll just beat
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him, beat him in the head hope that they're
going to die at some point, they don't really
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check on them.
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They are waste.
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They're waste material.
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Veal is the ideal because at least someone
can make a profit from this baby.
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And in the pig industry, in America too —it's
another humane thing if you look in the EU
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too— one of the ways to kill piglets that
are either deformed, or a runt or their sick,
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or too sick there's no financial reason or
gain, or it's too expensive to fix them.
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It's something called ‘blunt force’.
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So what they do is pick up the baby pigs by
the legs and they smack their heads on the
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concrete, and that's a humane approved thing.
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So in America —we had this expose happen
of undercover footage— and a lot of the
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news articles said things like "workers were
filmed beating baby pigs against the pavement
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and they were still twitching for days later”.
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Because there were undercover people, they
would document how long it took these piglets
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to die.
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But the things that the news articles will
never tell you, because you will also find
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news articles about, "undercover” footage
showing baby chicks being thrown in a grinder.
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And it's salacious and everyone goes "oh my
gosh this is horrible we have to stop this".
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But then they keep eating eggs, and they keep
eating bacon, and they keep eating pork, and
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they keep drinking milk.
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The connection that's not being made is that
this isn't undercover abuse, this is standard
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industry practice.
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You know, it's just not something the articles
usually cover.
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So we get this impression that it's just one
place where these people were doing this horrible
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thing —no— there's nothing illegal about
that.
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And in that expose of this pig place —workers
were also abusing mother pigs because it was
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a pig breeding facility—so they were beating
the pregnant pigs, jamming rods into their
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orifices, just horrible stuff.
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And one of the leading humane specialists
in the country is Temple Grandin, if you've
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ever heard of her, she commented on one of
these articles, "this is outrageous abuse"
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—she's talking about the mother pigs—
they say something about the baby pigs, "that's
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standard practice that's fine, but what they're
doing to the mothers, horrible".
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So in one of my more recent videos, I list
all of these offenses, all of these things
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that are seen in this undercover investigation
from the baby pigs and the mother pigs.
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And if you didn't know the laws and you looked
at these two, I don't know if anyone would
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be able to be like "this one's okay, this
one's not, this one's okay, this one's not".
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Ripping out the baby boys testicles with no
anesthetic?
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Oh that's totally fine —because that's what
happens— you cut off their tails, you clip
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their teeth, you pull out their testicles,
no anesthetic is required at all.
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And I think if people don't know the law they
assume that's some kind of abuse that's going
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to be corrected, but it's not, it's completely
legal.
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And it's just one of the things that in this
EU document as well, they talk about the CO2
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chambers —and that's Butina the company
I was telling you about— it's the way to
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kill pigs these days, it kind of seems like
the most humane way.
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So pigs are kind of lowered into this CO2
chamber —the biggest ones it's almost like
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a giant rotisserie— they go in there, they
get lowered, and basically they burn from
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the inside out and they scream.
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I've been to these places, I've been to one
in Manchester in the UK, the walls were thin
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enough you could hear the churning, you could
hear the workers slapping the pigs, you could
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hear them screaming for blocks and it's terrifying
when they scream.
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So it's not a calm death.
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It's not a friendly death.
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It's not a humane death!
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There's no such thing.
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But this is what we look at.
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It’s like “ok well, the gas is like the
most humane thing” and it’s anything but!
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On that impact assessment of course, there’s
Butina: “Hey!
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We’re here, we’re gonna help figure out
what’s the best way to kill these pigs”.
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And also if you buy a lot of these chambers,
we’ll make a crap ton of money.
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But don’t worry, we’re not biased.
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So, in the legislation, CO2 chambers are the
thing.
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But there is something in the legislation:
we’re gonna reconsider this at some point.
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This, and electric baths for chickens, we’re
gonna reconsider that.
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But the Impact Assessment deemed that it’s
not financially viable right now.
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The laws that we have—even at the ideal,
even if we don’t look at abuse—the laws
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that our governments have, the regulations
that we have, it’s pretty horrifying.
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There is no way to make dairy without taking
baby boys from their mothers, and even the
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baby girls get taken, immediately after birth.
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They’re shuttled elsewhere and then they
can grow up and be a big milk machine too.
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And cows can live 20 to 25 years.
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In the dairy industry, they usually give out
and they become what we call ‘downers’
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around 4 to 5 years old, because they are
just serially impregnated again and again
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and again.
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As soon as they’ve had a baby, artificial
insemination again, they get another round.
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And then every time their babies are taken
from them.
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I have a friend who used to be a cattle farmer—or she married a multi-generation cattle farmer—
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and she just... there was one too many times
where they’d take the babies away and the
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mothers are chasing the trailer as their babies leave.
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And then they cry for days—I mean they just
cry out for their babies until they go hoarse
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and they can’t cry anymore.
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And she was like “I can’t do this.
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I can’t do this anymore”.
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There is an article I found from Massachusetts,
where there was Sunshine Dairy Farms, a little
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farm there.
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Neighbors were calling the police because
the cows would not stop screaming out.
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And the police issued a report: “Ok we talked
to the farmers.
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Don’t worry!
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The cows are fine.
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It’s just the normal part of the dairy industry,
‘cause they’re upset that their babies
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were taken.
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Don’t worry.
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It’s fine.
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It’s ok.
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They’re fine”.
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So even when we acknowledge the fact that
they are grieving the loss of their children,
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oh, but because it’s standard practice it’s
okay.
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So it’s really just interesting, we have
such a divide in our minds.
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Like pigs —pigs have mannerisms very much
like dogs— we would never do the things
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we do to pigs that we do to dogs [sic].
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And even Americans get super outraged about
the Yulin Dog Festival.
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You know, people in that country eating dogs,
that’s not cool.
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And never would I say that is.
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But if who we can eat and who we can’t eat
is determined by where we are living.
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That kind of gives evidence that this isn’t
a logical based decision of ours.
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Yet we have the audacity to hold this legislative
recognition of non-human sentience on high
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as a giant step forward for the rights of
animals.
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As if systematically exploiting individuals
with fully admitted knowledge and comprehension
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of their capacity to suffer is something to
commend.
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Look what we offer ourselves as evidence of
progress: one news report extolled the reduction
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in animals slipping and falling on their way
to slaughter in one abattoir in one country.
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When we look at our actions from the other
side, the perverse absurdity of our deluded
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self-congratulations is astounding.
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If you were in the place of these beings,
how grateful would you feel if your captor
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laid down a bathmat on the ramp to your execution?