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Il caso "Amicizia" - Intervista a Gaspare De Lama

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    - When were you involved for the first time with the Friendship case?
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    It started in 1960, between 1960 and 1961, in a very banal way, because I saw pictures made by Bruno Ghibaudi
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    on a weekly magazine called “Settimana INCOM" about 3 flying objects that appeared on the coast of Pescara
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    One was very strange, the picture was very nice and I thought that it could be real
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    because one object was really peculiar, while the other two were classic saucer shaped.
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    So I wrote to him (to the magazine) a few lines, congratulating with him and adding something like
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    “let’s hope that those beings help us”. After 2-3 days, the time for the magazine to receive the letter,
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    I received a phone call from Ghibaudi, telling me that my letter was chosen among the many ones they received
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    It was strange...he was using the plural...and he asked for an appointment.
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    He arrived in the evening - I had a group of friends, with whom I was sharing ufo sightings information
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    and field research, analysing the different cases, selecting hoaxes, from real ones, trying to understand - and I invited this group, too.
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    Ghibaudi told about the things directly, without making names (like Bruno Sammaciccia)
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    He told about W56, the bases, everything, and we were a little surprised.
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    Then at the end of the evening, while we were going down the stairs, Bruno told me:
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    “there will be very few left of those ones” and in fact only one remained of that group, Paolo Torre,
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    and all the others have left.
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    And after a couple of time that I have seen Ghibaudi, one evening he arrived with Bruno,
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    and then my story began.
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    I started to know a little more, the phenomena,… it lasted for 5 years.
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    Bruno was a charismatic man, fascinating, with culture, he could speak very well,
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    a passionate man, from the south. It was difficult say “no” to him, he was leading me slowly, nicely,
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    through the events, the phenomena, I owe everything to Bruno. I still have him in my heart,
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    even if in the end he was tired, stressed. This story made go crazy 2 people, it’s not an easy story.
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    I also had some difficulty in dealing with it, one needs to be really balanced. The other world: we don’t know it
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    but we would like to be there. This world here: it is too unbearable, and so you live somehow in between,
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    but after a while you get used to it and you manage it.
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    Humans, who have a normal nervous system, can get used to everything.
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    I imagine that the ones who had experiences even deeper than mine, had some stress, and Bruno also had a great responsibility toward them.
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    My first encounter with this reality was through objects teleportation,
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    film reels were materializing in the air and falling down in the ground.
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    - Film reels of movies?
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    Yes, movies that we then would watch or audio reels,
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    with sometimes a greetings or sometimes some direction of things to do.
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    Then there were those control "nuclei" of the apartment, there were blue lightning, 2-3 metres long
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    with a diameter of 20-30 centimetres, light blue, they would pop close to us without hitting us,
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    They were renewing the nuclei of the apartment. Once every 20 days or so we would see those phenomena,
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    because the nuclei needed to be renewed.
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    Then Bruno asked me to buy a little radio, he put it on the table and after 2-3 minutes a blue flame came out of it,
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    half meter high and he then said “ok now it is ready” and I always carried it with me.
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    Sometimes “SIGIR” (a member of the friendship case) or other members would speak through it.
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    It would switch on by it self, Bruno would tell me to change the radio frequencies and I would change them
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    but the voices would still be there. I even tried to put another radio close to it, tuned on Milan.
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    Both radio were tuned on Milan, but suddenly mine would switch into the voice of Sigir, while the other was still tuned on Milan.
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    Then, one day, Bruno told me “They want to make you a present, a gift, choose a place!"
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    So I have chosen "Trenno" a place close to Milan and we went there and we made a movie of the disc that I showed you before,
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    and also photos. Then I took my photographic film to be developed
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    and then we went home and we watched the movie.
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    Then a lot of funny things happened, I remember that in 5 years I have seen 7-8 times other discs
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    after a call for an appointment, also small, bright, in the night, in the sky,
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    one was moving in a particular way doing like a theatre, an exhibition, I saw
    many things...phenomena...etc.
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    - Did you have a direct encounter with one of the W56?
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    No, I didn’t meet any, also because it was a dangerous time, they couldn’t get out of their bases
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    First fo all they were about 3 meters tall, so it wasn’t so easy, well some were smaller, but it wasn’t safe to go out
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    Only once they showed up on a hill, about 300 meters from the house of Bruno in Pescara,
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    but I wasn’t there - in the group we were initially about 10-15 people. There was a judge, an economist...a lawyer...
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    and they saw them on that hill, saying hello.
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    Bruno told once that on that hill that summer would happen something, and indeed it happened, they were there.
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    They took pictures of them, there were some sea pines, and they were leaning to this pines and were saying hello.
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    I arrived just after that, and we went afterwards there to take measures and we measured that he was 4 meters tall.
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    They took pictures of them and we all went to the photographer to develop the roll of film. No image!
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    Once there was also my wife, we were at Bruno’s home, there was my little radio and we were 10-12 people
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    and we were sitting randomly, and Sigir started to talk from the radio, he said hello to everyone
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    following the order of our position, he could probably see us.
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    - How was he speaking, using a good Italian?
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    Yes, good Italian, the Italian was perfect for all members, but Sigir, when he was greeting
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    He was saying “saluto tutti” (greetings to everyone) using an Abruzzo slang, and once I asked to Bruno:
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    "Why does he say “saluto tutti” while the correct form is “saluto tutti” ?
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    And in that moment from the radio the voice of Sigir came immediately back and said : “Gaspare! Saluto tutti!”.
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    He wanted to make it clear that he greeted this way, because also Bruno was greeting this way.
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    - They were imitating the dialect?
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    Yes, they were imitating the dialect, and sometimes Dimpietro said “Gaspare, change your thoughts!" - because i was thinking something wrong...
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    - Wich of the W56 was more likeable? At least according to their voices.
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    Sigir had a powerful voice, I liked Gallarate.
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    - Why?
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    Because first he was one of the youngest. Obviously we called him Gallarate [it's the name of a little town]. We choosed this name
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    because the first time that he arrived on Earth he saw Gallarate and he said: “How beautiful is Gallarate!”
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    What's nice in that city? But he liked it, so we called him with this name. And one day there was the transmission
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    of a radio quiz between two towns, Gallarate and Frosinone, and Gallarate was rooting (supporting) for Gallarate!
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    And we laughed and I liked him because he was a little different from the others,
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    he was more similar to us. But I liked them all.
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    Dimpietro did blame me twice, he was sweet but he was also very straight.
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    - Why did he blame you?
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    Because I was thinking about something that shouldn’t be thought, I was thinking about
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    nervous things.
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    At the beginning, humans are doubtful, doubt is part of an intelligent mind, otherwise we would be all dupes.
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    You can have strong doubts that can stimulate you or you can have light doubts, that are only worries
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    but then, in the long term, from Their voices and from Their vibration, you become trustful.
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    After in all, the word “trust” exists, you can find it on the dictionary, so we should use it.
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    At a certain point you have to trust someone. With doubt you can always question everything, endlessly,
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    but trust came spontaneously. They make you feel it, it’s like when you fell in love with your wife,
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    it was enough her word of love and you trusted her, you didn’t put her through a lie detector.
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    You feel it. If we don’t feel trust, it’s our fault. You need more trust than faith, you could leave out faith,
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    but trust is more important. Faith is too high, trust you can give it to a friend. Friendship is important
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    you can also not believe in God, but be “love”. I know some atheists that are wonderful people.
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    Trust is for me the most important thing.For me.
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    I think that the differences were caused by different ideologies, Bruno once tried to explain this thing,
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    there are things that we don’t know about them (life values, laws, ethic, technology, science)
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    we can not understand their different intentions.
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    To give me an example, Bruno once said: “imagine a solar system that is disharmonic,
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    that disturbs that side of the galaxy, well some civilisations, let’s say the CTR [the W56 enemies]
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    with their technology they can cancel it, destroy it and therefore improve the harmony of that side of the Galaxy.
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    The W56, would do different, in their ideology they think that if nature has created this solar system
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    one can try to reduce the damage respecting the nature of things.”
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    Of course the CTR would destroy the planet only if it was not inhabited, but they would interfere
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    anyway on the nature of cosmos, while W56 would respect it, even if there it disturbs.
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    This is a principle that it develops also on ethics, on values. This doesn’t mean that CTR are bad
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    If they didn’t destroy their own civilisation it means that they love each others, they love their wives, their pets.
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    But they have ideology that are colder and straight, science could be their God. While for the W56, God is Love.
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    - Why do you think that beings, that are so evolved, needed your logistic help?
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    Yes, they needed water, for us it was a minor effort, Bruno went to a friend who had barrels,
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    he borrowed them, we filled them with tap water, we hired a van and we drove up there.
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    Sometimes they would ask other material, rarely 4 times in 5 years, it happened that you were asked
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    for some material, and Bruno would organize it.
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    But I have a personal idea about this, I could be also wrong, but this is my idea: since they needed
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    Uredda (love energy) to survive, they needed a certain quantity of it (if we want to put it in market words)
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    but we didn’t give it to them, because, we were not in harmony between us.
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    Lets’ say, I don’t give you love, I don’t give you friendship and you jump in a river
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    and, even if youcan swim, you shout “help! help!” to see if I give you my hand.
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    So I have to help you and I give you my hand and so you receive my “rate of uredda” (love energy) that you need.
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    So this demands of material could be a game to indirectly ask for uredda, but this is my personal idea
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    I told it to Breccia and he listened to me and said “it could really be like this”.
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    - Do you think that They have definitely left the Earth, after 1978, after their defeat?
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    Well, I left in 1965, so I didn’t live the last events, I hope not, I think not,
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    because if they have this duty in regard to planet earth, they shouldn’t be stopped by the failure of 10 rundown people.
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    I think, I hope that they are still around. They certainly are still around, but we as a group, on the uredda (love energy) aspect, we have failed.
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    We are not here doing the heroes, grying “Victory, Victory”!
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    No, no, we failed, which is worse.
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    - What did the W56 give you spiritually speaking? How did they change your vision about life?
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    They made me understand that a better world is not utopia, because They exist.
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    We are what we are, we are getting worse. While knowing that They exist and that They live on a wonderful way,
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    That They are wonderful, you can realise that it is not an utopia,
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    so it is something to live in a cosmos where there are goals that we could access.
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    Sometimes I was asking about God, about big questions...Once they answered me:
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    “Look Gaspare, think that we are here like a military party, not like missionary”.
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    We then understood, me and my wife, that we were asking things to which they could not answer,
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    because we would have understood them on our own, through our spiritual evolution, we met Osho
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    and this also helped us.
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    So I received a lot from their way of speaking, from their presence.
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    - Why, according to you, did the W56 project fail, if it failed?
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    Well, WE failed. Because of that Uredda (love energy) they called in this way, it was an energy,
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    like the one when there is a negative pole and a positive pole, quanta and tachions, that uredda was the energy of love.
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    A love that we should have shared between us in the group and toward them.
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    Toward them it was easy, between the group…we are what we are. And after 5 years it was broken.
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    So this uredda, that they collected it in their instruments in the bases, defence devices or others, I don’t know..
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    and when they didn’t receive this “fuel” (lets call it like this) the thing ended.
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    They had to go,but I think, and it seems that, they knew it very well
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    but they had to make this experience.
Title:
Il caso "Amicizia" - Intervista a Gaspare De Lama
Description:

Il pittore Gaspare De Lama è uno dei più importanti testimoni e protagonisti del caso "Amicizia", un vero caso di contatto tra umani e alieni avvenuto in Italia tra la seconda metà degli anni '50 e la fine degli anni '70.

Questa intervista è stata realizzata nel maggio del 2010 dal giornalista e ricercatore UFO Ivan Ceci il quale ha incontrato De Lama nella sua casa a Mandello del Lario sulle rive del Lago di Como.

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