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Oklahoma Up Close with Shaw

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    [MUSIC]
    Hello and welcome, thanks for joining us.
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    We are broadcasting from the Thomas K
    McKeon Center for
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    Creativity, and I am your host, Corey D
    Taylor.
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    Music, music, music are the words that I
    think about when I
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    think of the great state of Oklahoma.
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    The world is quickly become more aware
    that Oklahoma has produced some of
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    the world's brightest music stars, and
    today that awareness lives on.
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    Today our guest is yet
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    again another musical group that is coming
    straight out of Oklahoma.
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    They are Shaw.
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    Shaw is a singing group made up of a
    father and
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    his sons and they are on the rise.
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    You don't want to miss this interview and
    it's gonna be interesting.
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    So stay tuned because this is Oklahoma Up
    Close.
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    [MUSIC]
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    Welcome back, we are here with Lester L2
    Shaw and Retsel Shaw and
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    they are members of the singing group
    Shaw.
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    Fellas, how are you doing today?
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    >> Great.
    >> Doing good man, how about yourself?
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    >> I am doing good man, and I am excited
    to have you guys on
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    because you have been doing some
    interesting stuff,
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    I got a chance to see your video, If There
    Ain't No Beauty Make Some.
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    How did you all come up with that concept
    that a song because it's real catchy it
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    kind of got like a old school vibe to it
    so
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    how did you all come up with that concept
    of the song?
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    >> Well, we're actually saying cuz we,
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    we actually say that with the kids is
    pocket full of hope.
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    >> Okay.
    >> If there ain't no beauty, make some.
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    >> Okay.
    >> And I came back from,
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    from Atlanta one time and it just stuck
    with me.
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    And I, I actually have a story.
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    I was talking to my, my, my kids in
    Atlanta.
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    And I had to hang up the phone instantly.
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    I don't hang up on my, on my kids, but I
    had just hung, I had to hang up and
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    go right to voice memo.
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    [MUSIC]
    If there ain't no beauty make some, yeah,
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    yeah, if there ain't no beauty make some.
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    [MUSIC]
    Yeah, yeah, then called him back, and
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    the next day, you know, I end up meeting
    the producer at Booker T.
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    I went up to Booker T.
    Washington to talk to the kids and
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    he was there and I says yo, I have been
    looking for you for like.
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    A whole week, I need to get this song
    done.
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    It came back that monday, which was my
    birthday,
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    February 24th and it took us about, what?
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    Not even 3 or 4 hours to get the whole
    thing done.
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    >> Right, okay.
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    >> And man, the song came out nice, my
    dad.
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    You know, with these, with these lyrics.
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    >> Right.
    >> And the verses
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    that he made it, made it popping.
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    My brother, you know, he's, he's, you
    know, engineered-
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    >> Right.
    >> He, Tell them about some of-
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    >> Well you know, I'm the the best.
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    [LAUGH] Teddy, you know I am the best.
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    >> I am a certified Pro Tools engineer.
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    >> Okay good, that is big, still industry
    standard, Pro Tools?
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    >> Yes sir.
    >> You have mentioned something,
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    I wanna say this,
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    you talked about pocket full of hope,
    elaborate, what is pocket full of hope?
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    >> A Pocket Full of Hope is a non-profit.
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    You know, we work with kids through music,
    theater and dance.
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    >> Oh, okay.
    >> And videography.
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    We teach them,
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    teach them life skills, through music,
    theater, dance and videography.
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    You know, my father's a, is a, is a
    executive, you know.
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    We've been going for 14 years strong.
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    We have a 100% graduation rate, from sixth
    grade to.
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    You know, 12th and they basically get the
    same love and
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    attention that we got as kids.
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    >> Okay.
    >> You know cuz I went to school.
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    I went to 9th grade with backpack full of
    tapes.
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    You know we had, we had our own tape out
    in, in like [CROSSTALK] fifth grade.
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    >> Yeah, fifth grade.
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    >> Yeah, we were opening up for you know,
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    everybody that came in the city whether it
    was a.
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    Joe OJay's.
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    You know we had that luxury to, to do
    that, based off of my Dad's experience.
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    >> Okay.
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    >> You know, and, I'm talking about, it
    was,
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    it was times when we would get whippings
    for not singing.
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    >> No, and don't tell me y'all were like
    some Jackson 5 types.
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    [LAUGH].
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    >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    >> Wait a minute.
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    Stop for a minute.
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    That's real interesting because.
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    We had Tony Mason on, and [LAUGH], and he
    has the same similar story.
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    >> Yeah.
    >> So Tony Mason, North Tulsa.
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    You all North Tulsa.
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    >> Uh-huh.
    >> So is that just kind of
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    a thing that it's m, music is that
    serious?
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    >> It's, yes.
    >> That it
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    takes on a Joe Jackson mentality with the
    dance?
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    >> Yes.
    It's that serious,
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    especially when, when you, you.
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    You see your kids at home doing all steps
    and singing bababa, steps.
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    And you get out in public and you want to
    show off your kids.
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    And your kids doing all like this, man.
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    >> [LAUGH]
    >> You know, no.
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    I ain't having that, you
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    know?
    >> Like wow.
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    >> We practice too hard
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    for that, you know?
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    >> Wow.
    >> Give it to them.
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    Every chance [SOUND] you get, you gotta
    give it to them, you know?
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    >> Now what you're saying, you said you
    know, you all were exposed to this in
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    opening up for some popular 90s group like
    Jodecy and Think and what have you.
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    Tell me about this, where did the music, I
    know your dad influenced it.
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    But so many kids start off in music, I
    being one, but never stick to it.
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    For you all to stick to it this long, what
    inspired you all to stay with it?
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    Because it's a hard business to be in, so
    what inspired you all.
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    >> Yeah.
    >> To keep with the music?
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    >> It's the love.
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    >> Yeah, that's what I was about to say
    that.
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    >> It's the love for it because Even when
    I'm hoarse and I can't sing, or,
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    you know, I'm sick, you know, I'm like I
    can't use my voice, I can't sing.
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    I can't, you know, I sing to my kids.
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    I sing, I sing to relieve stress.
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    I sing to get through things.
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    You know, I mean, so.
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    It's and then it's, it's, it's universal.
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    You know, we we walk into this this
    restaurant and
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    everybody's in there speaking Spanish.
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    And I'm trying to get some lamb chops.
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    I mean, they're walking around 30 minutes
    trying to,
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    you know, lamb, lamb, lamb, lamb.
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    Not until I started singing Mary had a
    Little Lamb.
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    Is when they understood all these lamb
    chops.
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    >> Wow yeah.
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    >> You know, what I'm saying how many
    pounds you know?
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    >> Yeah.
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    >> Chops.
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    >> [LAUGH].
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    >> I know that one.
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    >> Right.
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    >> But yeah it's universal man it's the
    love the feeling, you know,
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    it it can help us get through anything
    pretty much man it really has man.
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    You know, even my, my Atlanta life.
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    >> Right.
    >> Going out there and
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    a lot of people don't know we slept in the
    car the first nine months.
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    >> Wow.
    >> Selling CDs.
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    >> Wow.
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    >> Selling CDs.
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    >> And when you say Atlanta and I'm going
    to ask Red Cell a question.
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    But I wanna talk about Atlanta because
    you.
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    Are, are you back in Tulsa now?
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    Because I know you're from North Tulsa but
    are you back her enow for a moment or
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    are you still going back and forth to
    Atlanta?
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    >> Back and forth.
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    >> Okay so when you say we went to
    Atlanta, we slept in the car.
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    Who is we?
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    >> Session.
    You know Session Hill?
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    >> Dupre?
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    Yeah. Mm-hm. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    Me, me and Sas, we went up there and And
    just made it happen, man I went out there
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    in '05 and seen how easy it was to talk to
    these people, like, you know, you see, you
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    know, your favorite artist in the grocery
    store or in the former basketball court.
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    I met R Kelly playing basketball.
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    And I mean just being yourself, doing what
    you love doing.
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    You're gonna run into whoever you run
    into, because they're in that area.
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    >> Did you win?
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    [LAUGH].
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    >> Man, let me tell you, I got a star at
    14.
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    I got a star at 14.
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    >> Because R.Kelly, you know, he went to
    the CVA.
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    >> Yeah.
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    >> And he played.
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    So I want to know wha, what, what level of
    skills did you have?
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    Does, did he beat you or did you win?
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    >> No, come on baby.
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    Ray was there.
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    So listen I'm, I got a story I'd like to,
    here you go.
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    So.
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    Polow, Polow da Don, that is a producer,
    shout out to Polow, he called me, it is 12
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    o'clock at night, and so gym called rent a
    shoot up there, it is a 24 hour gym.
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    He called me L, R.Kelly is in town man,
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    and every time they come to town they
    always win because he brings his five,
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    I need some of your energy, and at the
    time I am looking like, yo this is Kells.
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    [LAUGH].
    I hadn't met him,
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    I hadn't worked with him.
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    Am nice on the court.
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    I'm on my way.
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    >> Right.
    >> So I leave from where I was.
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    I picked up my brother and I picked up my
    other boy, Rico.
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    Rico Hawkins.
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    And we get there, they had, they had lost
    the game.
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    The first game they lost.
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    They'd sub me in.
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    First game I hit eight.
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    Boom.
    We win.
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    The second game, I hit nine.
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    We win.
    At this time,
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    Kale is just like, who's this?
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    Do I, do you all need me to stick him?
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    >> [LAUGH].
    >> Do you all need me to stick him?
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    Let me kill him.
    >> That's Kelly Mann.
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    >> Yeah, yeah the man.
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    >> Come on over.
    Come on over.
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    The last game I had to pit in ten, but the
    game went at deuce.
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    And that allowed Kales to come to me and
    say yo, good game.
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    >> Mm-hm.
    >> You play ball?
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    I said no, I don't play ball.
    I do music.
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    And I, I got my iPod over here in the
    stand, let me.
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    >> [LAUGH]
    >> Yeah.
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    >> Let me, let you hear
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    some of this music.
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    >> The same was
    >> You know what I'm saying?
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    Bong, but he said all right.
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    Go get Drama, come holler at your boy.
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    He came and hollered at me and I played
    like three songs for him and
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    gave him his cell phone number and the
    number to studio, and
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    a couple years later, man we was Grammy
    nominated for a song we did with R.Kelly.
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    >> Oh, that is nice.
    So, we talked a little about your dad,
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    which is Dr. Shaw for those who don't
    know, he is actually a doctor for real,
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    they call him Doc Shaw but he actually has
    a doctorate degree, so.
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    People think, sometimes, with music, that
    entertainers are not that intelligent and
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    they're just out there, but this is an
    educated man.
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    >> Right.
    >> But I still have,
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    I still have a question for you.
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    You're the youngest.
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    >> Yeah.
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    >> What is that like?
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    Here it is: Your dad, he's doing his
    thing, he's out there.
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    Then your brother, he's going to Atlanta.
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    You were there, but he's making these
    connections.
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    Didn't you feel any pressure?
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    What was it like growing up under that
    type of pressure?
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    Cuz it had to be pressure.
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    >> Yeah well I'm always, I've always been
    able to, to,
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    I've been well how can I say this?
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    I'm good at handling pressure, you know
    what I mean, like, we've always,
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    since I was a little boy, you know, we use
    singing and you know all that stuff, so.
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    I've always had to step back and watch,
    you know, my dad and
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    brother do their thing.
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    When it was my time to shine.
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    When, when I step up, you're gonna know I
    stepped up.
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    You know, I mean.
    I'm, I'm going to do my thing, but I'm.
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    Let me see.
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    They good role models man I mean my dad I
    just I don't know man it's,
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    it's a big shoe to fill but.
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    >> It's definitely some big shoes to fill
    because I've,
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    I've seen what doctor Shaw has done and
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    he just came back from I guess touring
    internationally like was it in the UK?
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    And I don't know that would be a lot of
    pressure that dad is an older man but
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    he's out there still doing it and he's
    just coming back with all.
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    Legends of R&B and doing his thing and
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    then, I see TV stuff that you're doing and
    the fashion that you're doing.
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    And I know that it kind of seem like, man,
    like, those are big shoes to fill and
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    I got to step my game up.
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    So.
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    I got a chance to see some of your stuff
    and
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    you sing and things of that nature so did
    Shaw really help you all
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    bring together your collective efforts at
    what you all were good at.
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    >> Right, right [CROSSTALK] and even, even
    with what you're saying that we, we.
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    By us having our own.
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    Routes our own direction, we were able to
    go out and
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    bring back the resources at one table, and
    make this thing happen, like,
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    you know, even with, you know, the project
    that we are working on with big 10.
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    You know, we will be able to bring back
    all the people that I have worked with,
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    that I have written for, that we open up
    for.
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    And bring back some love and some needed
    music to Tulsa, some real,
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    you know, some show enough shows, like it
    is going to be easy for us to go,
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    like we wanted to see Jagged Edge, well I
    am going to go and knock on their door.
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    That's another relationship I was able to
    build in Atlanta.
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    Playing basketball.
    >> Playing basketball.
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    >> You know what I am saying?
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    A lot of this stuff comes from other
    skills.
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    You know music is just another skill that,
    that we do.
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    But just living and being able to,
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    because having a brother you're able to
    compete growing up.
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    So we competed with everything, football,
    basketball.
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    You know, singing, whatever it was, I mean
    throwing a rock in the trash can,
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    you know, [LAUGH] we are competing, you
    know what I mean.
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    >> Who can get the rock in?
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    >> Yeah, you are gonna start it again.
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    >> I am not stopping it until I make it.
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    >> So competitive man, and that got us in
    a lot,
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    that got us through a lot of doors man,
    just being competitive and.
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    Being, I'll give you a story, Wale.
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    I met Wale at, in the club and,
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    usually when you see these artists, you're
    not gonna approach these people.
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    You're not gonna talk to them.
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    >> Correct.
    >> But being assertive.
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    >> Yeah.
    >> Knowing that you can,
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    you can bring greatness to their situation
    as well as them being greatness to you,
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    I stepped to him.
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    How you doing?
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    Lester Shaw.
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    Nice to meet you.
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    I need to be on your next album.
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    He looked at me, he said, okay, you know
    where Zach's studio is?
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    I said yeah.
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    He said, meet me, meet me there tomorrow
    at 5:30.
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    And I mean, it went just like that.
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    Word for word.
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    No naw man, oh, you.
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    None of that.
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    I met him there, he said 5:30, I was there
    at five 5:15, sitting there waiting.
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    Went and I did three songs with him.
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    And one of them ended up on the album.
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    Now this guy didn't know me from Adam.
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    >> Wow.
    >> You know,
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    it was just having that confidence.
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    Being assertive.
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    Having those tools right there gets you in
    any door you want to get into man.
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    >> Well, I could tell you this, a friend
    of mine who is actually my mentor,
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    he has been in the music business for
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    a long time, and I am pretty sure you are
    going to know the name, Dr.
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    Bill Hagens, who is another doctor, for
    real, but he is also a triple platinum.
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    Record producer.
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    >> Yes.
    >> He said when got into the music
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    industry, so many people are disillusioned
    because they think it's all about,
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    let me put up a YouTube video, I gotta be
    the greatest singer in the world.
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    He said, but it's not really all that.
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    Because the group is so tight-knit.
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    It is all about developing relationships,
    and
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    he said if you can develop relationships,
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    [MUSIC]
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    he said you will get people that will work
    with you, he said because the one
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    thing that they can't stand is people who
    seem to be opportunistic, he said and
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    they will shun them and push them away.
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    And as my mentor, that taught me a whole
    lot.
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    [MUSIC]
    Well check this out,
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    you said something that is pretty key
    here, and I wanna take
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    a break really quick because we are going
    to come back and finish, all right?
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    >> The 911 memorial will honor my partner,
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    and any officers who responded that
    morning.
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    >> It is for my brother.
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    And my 343 brothers who didn't make it.
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    >> It's about hope for the future.
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    >> So we always remember September 11th.
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    >> For my husband who never came home.
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    >> And the first responders who saved my
    life.
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    >> This shows the world that we can
    rebuild.
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    That we are united.
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    >> And that we are strong.
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    >> Because the best of humanity can
    overcome the worst hate.
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    >> It's for all the heroes like my dad.
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    [MUSIC]
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    >> This year, the National September 11th
    Memorial opens in New York City.
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    Join us to honor, remember and reunite.
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    You can help right now by texting the word
    hope to 80088 to give $10.
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    [MUSIC]
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    >> Welcome back.
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    And we're here to continue our interview
    with Shaun.
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    So, L2, which is you as well, but you
    said, you said something,
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    you start talking about the relationships,
    and you know, it's your other skills.
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    That have really got you to these tables.
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    And you've worked with a lot of different
    people.
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    You know, I've seen, you know, T.Payne
    give you shout outs, and
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    for our audience members who don't know, T
    Payne is a well renowned producer.
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    So, was there ever any pressure, when you
    would meet these people?
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    I know you, cuz, you know, your swagger's
    on point, and
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    you went in and like, hey, I need to be on
    your next album.
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    But, was there a part of you that said.
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    I better bring it, like if he gonna let me
    in the studio, I am gonna bring it.
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    >> no, see I would be in these same areas
    working when these guys show up,
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    so it is like, we are in the same
    building, you know what I mean?
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    You just have had more exposure, you know,
    but.
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    I work with the same artists you work with
    you know we work with the same,
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    we're in the same, we're using the same
    studios.
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    You know so it's never no okay
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    just like I said it goes back to
    competition you know what I'm saying?
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    I'm competing with these guys like and I
    tell a lot of artists even here in Tulsa I
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    don't do music for people just in this
    area I do music for the world you know so.
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    When you, when I put an album out, I have
    to compete with Usher and, and, and
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    you know, all these other R&B, B, B cats
    out here, because that's where my mind is.
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    So it's never with me I don't think, it's
    never a pressure when it comes to that.
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    Cuz we've been, I was onstage on third
    grade, in third grade.
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    >> Wow.
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    We did, Midnight Train to Georgia.
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    >> Like last night.
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    >> Yeah.
    Like last night.
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    I was one of the Pips.
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    >> You was one of the Pips?
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    Who was Gladys?
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    >> Just some, some young lady in South
    Carolina.
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    >> Oh, yeah?
    >> Yeah, yeah.
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    But.
    >> Going on a midnight train to Georgia.
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    I got to know.
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    >> Yeah.
    You know what I mean?
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    Steps and all.
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    >> Right, right.
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    I got a question for you.
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    I have a.
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    Another.
    I have a ton of questions but.
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    >> Mm-hm.
    >> You know,
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    with you working with all of those
    different people I know
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    Shaw was the group of you and your father
    and
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    your brother but have you, do you, do your
    work of collaboration extend past Shaw?
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    >> It does with the writing it was a
    writing team of me Session and
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    McGill who were called the council.
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    We had Tim Bilski and What is your boy's
    name?
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    B.
    Major, B.
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    Major out of Detroit, we would just go and
    we would just, we were like pit bulls
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    when it came to this music man, out there,
    because you should have been in the car,
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    if you are not from this area, you have
    nothing to lose.
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    So say, say there was one, one time when
    we worked with with the game in Lula.
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    We just happened to see a tour bus sitting
    outside the studio.
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    So we go knocking on the door.
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    [SOUND] Like who do we need to talk to?
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    >> [LAUGH].
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    >> For you all to hear these records?
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    >> Right.
    >> Boy, you all are tenacious.
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    >> Right.
    >> Oh, yeah, sometime, [SOUND].
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    >> Let me in.
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    >> Yeah.
    Yeah, yeah.
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    And they would accept us in and once.
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    We knew our music was so great that once
    they heard it there was a rap.
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    >> Okay.
    >> So
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    once they heard our music we ended up
    being the producers and
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    writers for them that whole day.
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    >> Okay.
    >> You know,
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    which again, which allowed pocket at that
    time and it's just amazing how,
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    how things, has been work, how it worked.
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    When your favorite things like that just
    happen man,
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    I mean it seem like it just happen.
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    But it's like all you gotta do is show up
    you know, and like I said with,
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    that same day my dad had brought he
    brought like 20 kids from,
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    from Tulsa to Atlanta.just to, you know,
    for that week.
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    To, for spring break and just so happened
    the first day they got there.
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    We're working with Luda and The Game.
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    >> Wow.
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    So that was a lesson for them to see that.
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    Now I wanted to say that,
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    cuz you said when you have favor, now
    you've not just went, you know,
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    you've worked with hip-hop, you've worked
    with R&B, both of you.
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    >> Mm-hm.
    >> But if I'm not mistaken,
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    you've worked with some.
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    Gospel artists like Tadashi, you know what
    is big right now is that Lil Cray,
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    shout out to La Cray, he just went to
    Jimmy Fallon and
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    performed at Jimmy Fallon and he did not
    change his style up,
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    he is a Christian artist and went to Jimmy
    Fallon, but.
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    The one thing I noticed when I was doing
    more research on you all,
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    you also not only were you all performing
    on those stages, but
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    you all were singing in church when you
    were little kids, so talk to me
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    a little bit about that, and how has that
    transcended into who you are as men today?
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    >> Well, you know.
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    >> Are you going to say this one?
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    >> Yeah, yeah.
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    We were in.
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    Our group was B5.
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    It was like you know me and
  • 20:18 - 20:23
    my brother, and our brothers like Joseph
    Breona, Mark Breona and Billy Breona.
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    And we sung in the church.
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    Man I was, I was always the little, you
    know,
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    the little brother, so I'm soaking up
    everything, you know.
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    And of course I get picked on, so I had to
    be tough, that is why, when you know,
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    when you ask me later, is it tough?
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    No, I have taken it all in anyway, so, but
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    we have been in HIgher Dimension, we sung
    in that choir and just picked
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    up different things man, my mother was on
    us about church and, you know.
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    And, I'm thankful for that.
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    I mean, just to, I wake up and the first
    thing I do is, you know, pray, you know?
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    Those types of things of growing up.
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    Those values that, you know, we were
    taught from church.
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    It makes life just that much easier, and
    and that and music so.
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    I mean.
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    >> And I and I think the reason that I
    wanted to
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    say something about that because the past
    guests that I've
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    had they all started their kind of their
    music love love for music.
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    You know, in the church.
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    I remember when I used to work with Wayman
    Tisdale.
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    It was all about a old video of him
    playing in the church and
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    everybody played in the church.
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    And, but, and so what I've heard over the
    years is when.
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    Artists come to the table, whether it be
    R&B and stuff like that.
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    It's those church roots in them,
    understand the music and
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    great tonality and rhythms.
  • 21:50 - 21:54
    It is what translate to make them an
    artist that set apart from everyone else,
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    because they have the melodic musical
    background.
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    When you were working with these Christian
    artists, how did they view you?
  • 22:01 - 22:03
    I mean, because you're working in hip-hop,
    and
  • 22:03 - 22:08
    you're working in urban music of sorts,
    you know, and R&B.
  • 22:08 - 22:09
    So how did they view you?
  • 22:09 - 22:10
    Were they welcoming?
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    Because they have a different kind of
    standard.
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    And I know you were in church, but as an
    artist-
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    >> Mm-hm.
    >> You've experienced a lot of
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    stuff that don't have nothing to do with a
    church.
  • 22:16 - 22:18
    >> [LAUGH]
    >> So how did those people view you?
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    They they, they never judge.
  • 22:20 - 22:22
    Man, it's always been love over there.
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    Man, I actually gonna shout out Rich
    Records for
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    me cause business is great over there.
  • 22:28 - 22:33
    You know, those are some real great guys,
    man, like they really love the Lord.
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    They, and they.
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    They, they do it the way they, they, they
    do it, you know.
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    And in one, one thing I,
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    I reached out to him a couple days ago cuz
    be here October 2nd.
  • 22:43 - 22:44
    >> Okay.
  • 22:44 - 22:48
    >> And I just had to thank them for
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    thinking of me when they do these projects
    because, you know,
  • 22:51 - 22:54
    you see him and he's going number one and
    Todashi's going number one.
  • 22:54 - 22:57
    So greats think alike you know,
  • 22:57 - 23:03
    so any, wherever you go man you will not
    be denied when you present greatness.
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    Straight up and that's just, that's just
    how it is man with them guys man.
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    >> And so let me so there's a lot of times
    when and there's a lot of young people.
  • 23:12 - 23:13
    That are out there and
  • 23:13 - 23:17
    everybody, you know since I used to work
    in the music industry,
  • 23:17 - 23:21
    I get people submit me all kind of demo
    tapes, and the quality is not good.
  • 23:21 - 23:25
    And so a lot of times, people think that
    if I just get a beat machine and
  • 23:25 - 23:28
    I just rap or if I just sing, that's it.
  • 23:28 - 23:32
    But here it is, red sale, you're saying
    I'm certified in Pro Tools, so
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    I got education about this whole thing I'm
    not just out there doing my thing.
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    >> Right.
    >> You know, and
  • 23:36 - 23:39
    just trying to do a mixtape and hoping
    somebody find it.
  • 23:39 - 23:42
    It's really strategic on what you guys are
    doing.
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    And so you have your own project, your dad
    has his own project,
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    you got your own project as well.
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    But you all brought your resources
    together,
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    like you mentioned, to become this
    collective group, which is Shaw.
  • 23:54 - 23:56
    And by the way, I know that's you all's
    last name.
  • 23:56 - 23:57
    But I'm saying that for
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    people in the audience that haven't put
    that correlation together.
  • 24:01 - 24:07
    So what are you doing now with your music,
    outside of the group Shaw?
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    Me?
    >> Well, right now I the,
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    the latest project I just released is a
    nursery rhyme CD.
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    I just did a ten song nursery rhyme CD for
  • 24:19 - 24:23
    the kids like, Wheels on the Bus Mary had
    a Little Lamb, ABC's.
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    it's, it's more of like an, an enrichment.
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    Program type of,
  • 24:27 - 24:30
    you know, some of the classic songs that
    we, we learned growing up.
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    From that to, you know Gnarly Gear.
  • 24:35 - 24:36
    You know, I have a, a clothing line.
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    We do custom tees, hoodies, crop tops.
  • 24:40 - 24:42
    We're in six boutiques, right now.
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    And I've written two books.
  • 24:47 - 24:50
    I got two, two kid books that's, that's
    coming out.
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    And the music, you know, the music doesn't
    stop.
  • 24:51 - 24:56
    Well, we have a, we have a our own studio
    so every day we're in the studio.
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    >> Okay.
    >> You know,
  • 24:57 - 25:00
    creating and creating, and, and just being
    creative.
  • 25:00 - 25:04
    And that's pretty much what it's about
    man, just being creative, you know?
  • 25:04 - 25:05
    >> And what about you?
  • 25:05 - 25:09
    Same thing writing for different artists,
    you know gotta call to
  • 25:09 - 25:15
    write with what's his name he's out in LA
    >> [INAUDIBLE].
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    >> Not August man his name is.
  • 25:21 - 25:22
    I'll come back to it.
  • 25:22 - 25:24
    >> Yeah I'll come back to it.
  • 25:24 - 25:24
    >> Yeah, yeah.
  • 25:24 - 25:28
    It's some, some different people, man Even
    with, you know,
  • 25:28 - 25:32
    Abe's relationship with Bangladesh,
    different artists that he is working with,
  • 25:32 - 25:37
    we will send stuff our for Brandy's album
    and, you know, just different people.
  • 25:37 - 25:39
    >> And what he is speaking on is the
    placement game,
  • 25:39 - 25:43
    getting able to get placement on artists
    that have budgets already,
  • 25:43 - 25:45
    like Brandy and R.
  • 25:45 - 25:48
    Kelly's and the everyone that we are
    listening to now,
  • 25:48 - 25:50
    you know, that are signed.
  • 25:50 - 25:55
    We have that, that opportunity to write
    for them just like Todashi and LeCray.
  • 25:55 - 25:57
    They call, they get in contact with us,
    you know.
  • 25:57 - 26:03
    And, you know see what we have and if
    we're blessed enough to make the album,
  • 26:03 - 26:06
    you know, you know we're meant to
    >> So
  • 26:06 - 26:09
    let me ask you this two questions but I
    wanna say this.
  • 26:09 - 26:12
    How has that, your success affected you
    and
  • 26:12 - 26:14
    you know if you can give me the short side
    of that.
  • 26:14 - 26:16
    How has your success affected you, because
    some people,
  • 26:16 - 26:20
    when they get success, they lose it, did
    you ever go through that phase?
  • 26:20 - 26:26
    >> No, being able to have my dad and doing
    this at a young age, where I am
  • 26:26 - 26:31
    used to it, so it was never something that
    I threw around and then being able to,
  • 26:31 - 26:36
    character and energy gets you through a
    lot of doors as well, you know?
  • 26:36 - 26:36
    >> Okay.
  • 26:36 - 26:37
    You know, not being stuck up,
  • 26:37 - 26:41
    not being uppity, not, just giving love,
    showing love.
  • 26:41 - 26:43
    >> Okay, now I got a question.
  • 26:43 - 26:47
    So, we have some people out there that's
    in the audience,
  • 26:47 - 26:50
    that are here in Oklahoma, and they're
    gonna watch this show, and
  • 26:50 - 26:53
    they're gonna see where you all have
    worked very hard to get to.
  • 26:53 - 26:54
    And they're gonna want to do that.
  • 26:54 - 26:56
    So what advice.
  • 26:56 - 27:01
    Would each one of you all give them that
    are looking at this show on how they can
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    fulfill their dreams and be successful
    whether it be music, or going to school to
  • 27:05 - 27:08
    be a doctor, what is the advice you would
    give and we'll start with you Elton.
  • 27:08 - 27:12
    >> Well, the first advice I would give is
    like my dad, my dad said,
  • 27:12 - 27:14
    how do you catch a buffalo?
  • 27:14 - 27:15
    Well, you have to go where they are.
  • 27:16 - 27:18
    And if music is what you wanna do,
  • 27:18 - 27:24
    you have to be in the areas where they are
    looking for that next star, you know?
  • 27:24 - 27:27
    Just like we did music since we were
    young, but
  • 27:27 - 27:31
    what we were living in Tulsa, Oklahoma, we
    wasn't in L.A. or New York or
  • 27:31 - 27:35
    Atlanta to be discovered, so you know, you
    have got to.
  • 27:35 - 27:38
    [MUSIC]
    You gotta go where they, they don't.
  • 27:38 - 27:39
    >> And what about you?
  • 27:39 - 27:40
    >> What would you say?
  • 27:40 - 27:45
    >> I'll say you know you have to invest in
    yourself.
  • 27:45 - 27:51
    You know what I mean cant' be afraid to,
    to get out there and then When it comes
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    to, you know we, we, we lot of times we'll
    spend money on things that doesn't matter.
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    Chips.
    You know, but
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    if you wanna make music you have to.
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    Need the material, you need something to
    present.
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    Pay for that studio, you know, pay for
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    pictures, take you know, health is a, is a
    big thing.
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    I mean you have to take care of yourself
    and just have faith in God.
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    And, and get out there.
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    >> Wow, so fellas I thank you all so much
    for coming.
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    To the show, it's been a pleasure.
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    I'm gonna have to get you all back because
    I know we just barely scratch the surface.
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    We didn't get a chance to really delve
    into your fashion.
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    As people can see on the camera, the
    brother's looking real smooth I like that.
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    I say you gone wear the fro, he's like I
    got the fro, okay?
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    >> [LAUGH]
    >> So thank you all for coming.
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    >> Thanks for having us.
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    >> I hope you have enjoyed our show today.
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    I would like to thank our guest Shaw for
    joining us.
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    Remember this.
    Change is, is inevitable.
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    But your attitude towards that change, it
    is optional.
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    Until next time, keep looking forward.
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    [MUSIC]
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    >> It's a beautiful day out here.
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    Sunny today with light breezes giving way
    to clouds in the afternoon.
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    We could see some light precipitation to
    moderate precipitation [NOISE] Later on
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    followed by powerful storm-like
    conditions!
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    70 per-hour winds are expected!
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    According to [INAUDIBLE] everyone, stay
    indoors!
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    [SOUND]
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    [MUSIC]
Title:
Oklahoma Up Close with Shaw
Description:

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Duration:
30:02

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