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Let's say that these are your lungs.
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This is your right lung.
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This is your left lung.
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We're just going to label them
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upper and this will be lower.
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This will be the middle lobe.
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You're minding your own business and
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somebody coughs,
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and they get TB in your lungs.
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That TB gets inhaled,
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you breathe it in,
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and the location that
the TB likes to go to,
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it's actually a pretty interesting thing,
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is it likes to go along these
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fissures that I'm drawing out here.
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These are the fissures;
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They separate the lobes of the lungs.
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They are kind of like the boundaries.
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The TB bacteria like to
go near those fissures.
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They also actually like to go sub-pleural.
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Pleural indicates the
outside layer of the lung.
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So, if it's sub, it's right underneath
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that outside layer.
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They like to go somewhere
along the fissure
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and somewhere in the sub-pleural space;
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right on the edge.
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They're going to jump into some alveoli.
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Let me just draw it out for you here.
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You know, you've got
millions of these guys;
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I'm going to draw a few more,
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just to make it really
clear that these things
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are in packs.
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What's going to happen is,
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of course, you're going to have an immune
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response right away to this bacterium
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that's in there.
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You might have a macrophage
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coming along like that.
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This macrophage is going to pick up
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the bacteria that's now landed inside
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of that air sac,
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and it's going to take a journey
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through the tissue of the lung.
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It's going to go and drain down to a
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local lymph node.
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This is a local lymph node;
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a neighborhood lymph node.
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Let me label it right here; lymph node.
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That's the journey that the macrophage
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is going to take;
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not every single one, but some of them
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are going to go to the lymph node.
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What they do by doing that is,
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they actually carry with them
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the micro bacterium.
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This little bacterium is now
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carried along, going for the ride,
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and now the bacteria is in two spots.
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It's in the original spot where it
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landed in the lungs,
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but it's also in the
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lymph node because it got carried there
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by the macrophage.
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I should've mentioned this earlier,
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but let's assume that this is your
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primary infection.
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In other words, this is the first time
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that this person, or I guess it could be
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you or me, is breathing in
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the TB bacteria.
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What's going to happen is,
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there's going to be a reaction.
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The micro bacterium and the macrophages
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are going to start warring.
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They're going to fight.
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You're going to get this entire area
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turned into literally a battlefield,
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with dead micro bacterium and some
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dead macrophages.
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Some of your own cells are going
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to be part of this,
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but a lot of it is just going to be
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the bacteria.
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You're going to get some of this
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battlefield going on over here as well,
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in this lymph node.
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That's what it's going to turn into;
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a giant battlefield.
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If you look under a microscope,
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it actually looks like,
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well we call it a granuloma.
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That's the description that a
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pathologist might use
for what we are actually
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describing here.
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The same thing is true for the lymph node.
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There's a little granuloma
in there as well.
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If you were to peek inside
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of this granuloma,
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let's just actually erase the center out,
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if you were to peek inside,
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let's say I was to cut it open,
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what you would see is,
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inside of this granuloma
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is literally this mess;
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this goo that somebody
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at some point,
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thought looked like cheese.
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I'm not sure how they came up
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with that conclusion,
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but it kind of stuck.
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So, we call this caseous necrosis.
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Caseous literally refers to cheese.
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This is the same kind of cheese that
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might go on your crackers.
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Cheese, and you can think of it almost
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like cheesy death I guess;
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cheesy death for the necrosis part.
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I think I added an extra
"e" there by accident.
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Let me fix that with a little hyphen.
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So, cheesy death.
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Because I'm naming things,
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let me go ahead and give you a
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couple more names.
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Ghon Focus; what the heck does that mean?
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Ghon Focus, actually named after Dr. Ghon.
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Ghon Focus is what we call this thing.
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It's termed a granuloma,
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and specifically here because it's a
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granuloma, which is more a broad term,
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is in the sub-pleural space, we said,
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and it's close to a fissure,
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and we suspect it's from TB.
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We would call it a Ghon Focus;
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it's the other name for it.
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Both of these,
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if you're trying to name both
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of these together,
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the lymph node that has a granuloma
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and the Ghon Focus,
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together make up what we call
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the Ghon Complex; Ghon complex.
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That just refers to both of the
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areas of disease.
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This is how disease starts,
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but what happens after time passes?
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Let me just slide this over a little bit.
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If we then take a little bit of
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passage of time.
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Let's say there are three options.
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Time has passed.
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What are the different possibilities?
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Well, let me actually go through and
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talk about micro bacterium;
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micro bacterium tuberculosis from the
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standpoint of what is going on.
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Actually, I just noticed,
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I have in the past made the mistake of
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using a capital T,
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but it should be a lower case t.
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Micro bacterium
tuberculosis; three options.
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One option is that the bacterium
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may be dead.
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You may have killed it with
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your macrophages.
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Another option is that the bacterium
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is dormant; it's just lying in wait.
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The third option is that it's
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multiplying like crazy;
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it's actually going and dividing
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and dividing and dividing.
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The last one, actually,
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is going to look -
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if you looked on a chest x-ray,
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like this, you see lots of disease;
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this red indicates diseased tissue,
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not normal tissue.
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You might even see some large
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diseased lymph nodes.
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That's what it'd look
like on a chest x-ray.
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These other two, on a chest x-ray,
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basically would look normal.
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If you were to look at a chest x-ray,
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this is what the three options
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would look like.
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The first two would look normal,
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and the third one would look
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like something is wrong.
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Actually, this is helpful,
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because remember,
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these two together,
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we call these,
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both situations we call them
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latent TB infection.
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Remember, we can't really easily
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distinguish the two because
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in both situations,
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you've had prior exposure to TB,
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and in both situations the x-ray
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looks normal.
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If you had some super ability
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to actually zoom in;
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let's say you looked under a microscope,
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you would notice one key difference
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between these two.
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This is not something you can see
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on a chest x-ray,
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you can see only if you had amazing vision
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and could look down at the
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microscopic level at somebody's lungs.
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You'd see macrophages,
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and in the top case where there are
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dead bacteria, the macrophages would
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look healthy and happy.
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In the case where you
have dormant bacteria,
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you would actually see
some bacteria there;
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some red, live bacteria.
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That's the key difference between these
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two situations.
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Again, both of them we call
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latent TB infection.
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In this scenario,
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the bottom one, is going to be called
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progressive because things are
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slowly but surely getting worse;
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you can see more disease
on the chest x-ray.
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Primary, with a 1 and a
degree sign, infection;
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this is the name for this,
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progressive primary infection.
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It sounds a lot like what we had
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named that here, with primary infection,
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but the word progressive tells us that
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things are actually getting worse.
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The disease is getting more nasty.
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Now, let's actually play
out the rest of this.
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Let's think about what will happen
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with the dormant situation.
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I wrote out, or drew this out, earlier.
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Let's say more time is passing, of course.
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Maybe years have gone by.
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This person has had live bacteria
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in their lungs for years and years;
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nothing has happened.
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Now, they have what we call
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reactivation; maybe it's because
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their immune system is
not working properly,
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or maybe they have another disease.
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Who knows why, but all of a sudden,
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now the bacteria, the TB bacteria,
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are going to come out with a vengeance.
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There's going to be a cavity
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that forms; usually in the upper lobes.
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A cavity that forms up here.
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It's going to be packed full of
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TB bacteria.
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This person, you could imagine,
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if they coughed, they're
going to be coughing
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out lots and lots of these little
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bacteria that i'm drawing.
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Around that area there's a lot of disease;
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a lot of disease in this area and it's
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very, very distinct.
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If you see cavities, and you see lots and
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lots of disease, you're really going to be
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worried that this person might have
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what we call progressive
secondary infection.
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The reason I'm saying
secondary is because,
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again, this is happening separate from
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that primary infection; this is happening
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sometimes years later.
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Another way you can
actually have this happen
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is through what we call
a secondary infection.
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Maybe you actually literally get more TB.
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Maybe you're on a bus or a boat,
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and a second person decides to cough and
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TB gets into your lungs
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through breathing it in.
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That's another way to actually get
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progressive secondary infection.
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You can also think that
this is re-infection,
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because you basically got re-infected with
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the same bug.
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The thing that ties
reactivation together with
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re-infection is that in both situations
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your immune system has at some point
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in the past been exposed to TB.
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We think that's the main reason why
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you see these cavities,
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and you see so much disease.
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That's a really horrible infection to get.
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So, thinking about this a little bit more
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broadly then, both the
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progressive primary infection,
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and the progressive secondary infection,
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who are the folks that
you'd be most worried
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getting these diseases?
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I always worry about HIV patients before
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any other group because we know
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that HIV and TB is a really,
really bad combination.
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They're at high risk for getting
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progressive disease; both primary,
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which is at the time that they
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got the first infection with TB,
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or secondary which could be years later.