Neuro Information Technology: Can We Take Control of Our Brain Circuit | Jin Hyung Lee | TEDxKFAS
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0:15 - 0:21My beloved grandmother passed away
earlier this year on February 28th -
0:21 - 0:26after suffering for a very
long time from a stroke. -
0:26 - 0:28One day, she collapsed.
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0:28 - 0:31A few days later she woke up
in the hospital -
0:31 - 0:36to find herself completely paralyzed
on the right side of her body. -
0:36 - 0:40It was just a small little vessel
that burst inside her head, -
0:40 - 0:43but it had a life-altering
implication for her -
0:43 - 0:48where now she could
no longer move her own body. -
0:48 - 0:53For the next three-and-a-half years
she was hospitalized, -
0:53 - 0:57and went through extensive
rehabilitation therapy, -
0:57 - 1:00at the end of which she could barely walk
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1:00 - 1:05on her own with an extensive
help of a walker. -
1:05 - 1:10Then, she returned home and stayed
bed-bound for another eight years -
1:10 - 1:13before she passed away this year.
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1:14 - 1:20Watching her suffer through this very
painful and devastating disease, -
1:20 - 1:24the most difficult thing,
the most painful thing for me, -
1:24 - 1:29was the fact that there was nothing
that any of us could do -
1:29 - 1:32to give her back what she had lost
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1:32 - 1:37when the small blood vessel
burst in her head -
1:37 - 1:42so that she can have control
over her own body again. -
1:42 - 1:47When we have a device broken,
like a computer or a cellphone, -
1:47 - 1:49what do we do?
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1:49 - 1:52Do we just put it on a place,
comfortable somewhere, -
1:52 - 1:58and just press the button repeatedly
until maybe it starts working again? -
1:59 - 2:01Well, yes, I sometimes do that.
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2:01 - 2:07But if we really want it fixed,
that's not what we should do. -
2:07 - 2:12When we have a device broken,
what we do is we directly go in. -
2:12 - 2:15If there is a broken software,
we reprogram it. -
2:15 - 2:18If there is a broken wire, we rewire it.
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2:18 - 2:23If there is a worn out
or broken part, we replace it. -
2:23 - 2:30The question is: Can we do
something like this for our own brains? -
2:32 - 2:35There are many different forms
of brain diseases. -
2:35 - 2:38Some of which includes the following.
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2:38 - 2:44It includes stroke, where your blood
vessel bursts and damages your brain. -
2:44 - 2:47There's also a disease called epilepsy,
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2:47 - 2:50where you suddenly have
uncontrollable activity -
2:50 - 2:53that happens inside your brain
without any warning, -
2:53 - 2:56where you are no longer able to
control yourself. -
2:56 - 2:59And this seems like a very foreign
concept to most of us, -
2:59 - 3:02but this is something
that can happen to any of you -
3:02 - 3:06by simply hitting your head
in the wrong place at the wrong time. -
3:06 - 3:10Another important brain disease,
psychiatric disease, -
3:10 - 3:15includes depression, where you feel
hopelessness and sadness. -
3:15 - 3:17There is also a form called autism,
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3:17 - 3:23where children find it difficult
to relate to other people. -
3:23 - 3:26And there's also a category of
neurodegenerative diseases, -
3:26 - 3:30which includes Parkinson's
and Alzheimer's disease, -
3:30 - 3:33where in the Parkinson's disease case
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3:33 - 3:37you start to tremor and you can no longer
control your body movements, -
3:37 - 3:39and in the case of Alzheimer's disease,
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3:39 - 3:45you have memory loss, where ultimately
you forget even who you are. -
3:47 - 3:51While there are these many forms
of neurological diseases, -
3:51 - 3:54there is one thing that is
common to all of these. -
3:54 - 3:58Despite the increasing
prevalence and cost, -
3:58 - 4:04there is one common thing
which is that there is absolutely no cure. -
4:04 - 4:07You see all of these numbers
on the screen? -
4:07 - 4:09These are very, very large numbers.
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4:09 - 4:12For example,
in the Alzheimer's disease case, -
4:12 - 4:19we are expected to spend
about 1.1 trillion dollars by 2050 -
4:19 - 4:21on treating Alzheimer's disease
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4:21 - 4:23if we go at the current rate
where we can't cure anything -
4:24 - 4:26and we just keep providing support.
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4:26 - 4:30This is over 6% of the US GDP.
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4:30 - 4:33This is not a sustainable number.
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4:33 - 4:37In addition to the fact that we have
the need to treat our loved ones, -
4:37 - 4:40we also need to have a solution for this
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4:40 - 4:47in order to not get completely bankrupt
by our need to treat our patients. -
4:47 - 4:54So the question is: Why do we not know
how to treat any of these diseases? -
4:54 - 4:59The answer to that boils down
to this one question: -
4:59 - 5:01How does the brain work?
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5:01 - 5:04Does anybody have an answer to that?
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5:04 - 5:08Unfortunately, none of us do.
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5:08 - 5:12And so because we do not know
how the brain works, -
5:12 - 5:17the task of trying to fix it
becomes impossible. -
5:17 - 5:20Well, it's too early to give up.
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5:20 - 5:24Let's think about what we know
and what we can do -
5:24 - 5:27to perhaps fix this situation.
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5:28 - 5:31First thing that we know about the brain
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5:31 - 5:36is the fact that it consists
of this unit called the neurons. -
5:36 - 5:38This is a very special kind of cell.
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5:38 - 5:45It has inputs that come in with a signal
through what's called the dendrites. -
5:45 - 5:48And these inputs are
processed inside the cell, -
5:48 - 5:53where it produces an output,
an electrical signal in a digital form, -
5:53 - 5:56what's called an action potential,
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5:56 - 6:02that is sent throughout the axon
to send this message to the next neuron. -
6:02 - 6:05It's a little device
that does this simple processing. -
6:05 - 6:11And many of these neurons
are put together in our brain -
6:11 - 6:13forming a brain circuit.
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6:14 - 6:18And this brain circuit
does dynamic electrical signaling -
6:18 - 6:24to control all of the things that we do,
all of our behaviors. -
6:24 - 6:27So, then the task is pretty simple now.
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6:27 - 6:29What we need to do is to understand
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6:30 - 6:35how exactly these neuronal circuits work
to elicit our behaviors -
6:35 - 6:38and perhaps fix it when it goes wrong.
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6:39 - 6:42As easy as that sounds,
it's actually quite complicated. -
6:42 - 6:47There is a very good reason
why we do not have a solution to this. -
6:47 - 6:50Let's look at some of these reasons.
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6:50 - 6:53Some of these reasons are quite obvious.
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6:53 - 6:58One is the fact that our brain
is surrounded by a skull. -
6:58 - 7:01This is there to protect our brain.
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7:01 - 7:05But for those of us who are trying
to figure out what's going on inside, -
7:05 - 7:08it makes it extremely difficult.
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7:08 - 7:12All of our fancy microscopic imaging tools
cannot be really used to look inside -
7:13 - 7:15because of the fact that
it's surrounded by the skull. -
7:15 - 7:20Once you go inside the skull
you have an even greater problem, -
7:20 - 7:23which is that it has extreme complexity.
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7:24 - 7:30The number of neurons inside your brain
are about a hundred billion. -
7:30 - 7:33To give you an idea of what
a hundred billion means, -
7:33 - 7:35you can think of the world's population.
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7:35 - 7:41A hundred billion is an order of magnitude
larger than the whole world's population. -
7:41 - 7:46We talk about big data,
network of all of these different people, -
7:46 - 7:51but in fact we have something that's much
more complex sitting inside our skull. -
7:52 - 7:55On top of that, I told you about a neuron,
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7:55 - 7:58but there are also many different
kinds of neurons. -
7:58 - 8:01They're not all the same.
They do different things. -
8:01 - 8:03And they are densely
intermingled inside your brain, -
8:03 - 8:04where you can't really say
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8:04 - 8:07this part of your brain
has this type of neuron, -
8:07 - 8:11and the other part
has another kind of neuron. -
8:12 - 8:14To make matters worse on top of that,
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8:14 - 8:16every one of your neurons,
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8:16 - 8:19they don't just talk to
neighbors surrounding them, -
8:19 - 8:24they have connections going all the way
to different sides of the brain, -
8:24 - 8:26making very large-scale connections,
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8:26 - 8:30which means that if you just go in
and look at one part of your brain, -
8:30 - 8:34there is no way to understand
what this neuron is doing. -
8:35 - 8:37And so all of this combined,
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8:37 - 8:42it makes the task of understanding
how the brain works extremely difficult. -
8:43 - 8:46However, given this situation,
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8:46 - 8:50we need to start thinking about
how we might fix this situation -
8:50 - 8:52of understanding this brain.
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8:52 - 8:55If you want to understand
a complex system, -
8:55 - 8:58there are many different approaches.
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8:58 - 9:00But let's think of two different ones.
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9:00 - 9:05Let's say I gave you a new device
that was given to you on your hand. -
9:05 - 9:07Let's say this is a cell phone.
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9:07 - 9:10One way you can try to figure out
what this device is, -
9:10 - 9:14is to sit there and passively
observe what happens. -
9:14 - 9:17Depending on whose cell phone I gave you,
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9:17 - 9:19you might sit there for hours
and nothing happens, -
9:19 - 9:22and conclude that it's actually a clock.
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9:22 - 9:26A much better way to try and understand
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9:26 - 9:29and get meaningful information
out of a system -
9:29 - 9:33is to try and play with them.
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9:33 - 9:36Press the button, give it input,
and see what happens. -
9:36 - 9:39Even if this is a cell phone
that never receives any calls, -
9:39 - 9:41if you press a button
and see what happens, -
9:41 - 9:44you will know that it makes calls
and that it is a cell phone. -
9:44 - 9:47So to do something like that
for the brain, -
9:47 - 9:49what we need to be able to do,
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9:49 - 9:53is to provide test inputs
to specific parts of the brain circuit -
9:53 - 9:58and measure its dynamic activity
across this whole intact system. -
9:59 - 10:02So, to do this task, what do we need?
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10:02 - 10:04We need two components.
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10:04 - 10:10One is to be able to stimulate every
circuit elements with high specificity. -
10:10 - 10:15I just told you earlier that the circuit
consists of many different types of cells, -
10:15 - 10:18and that they communicate
with electrical signal. -
10:18 - 10:20If you put an electrode
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10:20 - 10:23- that's one strategy that you can use
to perturb the system - -
10:23 - 10:26and put an input into this brain.
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10:26 - 10:29But because there are
many different cell types, -
10:29 - 10:32it is very difficult
to decipher what that means. -
10:32 - 10:35For example, if you are trying
to figure out -
10:35 - 10:37the volume up and down button
on your cell phone, -
10:37 - 10:43if you press both buttons
at the same time, what would you see? -
10:43 - 10:45It might not do anything.
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10:45 - 10:46It might go up, it might go down.
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10:46 - 10:49You'll be very confused
as to what this button does. -
10:49 - 10:53What you need to be able to do
is to press these buttons separately -
10:53 - 10:55and see that one button increases volume,
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10:55 - 10:57the other one decreases the volume,
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10:57 - 11:00which gives you a clear idea
of what that does. -
11:00 - 11:03And so to have something
similar for the brain, -
11:03 - 11:09there is a novel technology that
allows us to do that called optogenetics. -
11:09 - 11:15What this does is genetically engineer
the cells inside the brain -
11:15 - 11:20so that only a specific cell type,
only the volume up button, -
11:20 - 11:23responds to light upon stimulation.
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11:23 - 11:25That way, now we have a tool
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11:25 - 11:28to specifically press
a button in our brain -
11:28 - 11:31so that we might understand what it does.
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11:32 - 11:35To give you an example of what this means,
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11:35 - 11:37we'll look at an experiment
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11:37 - 11:41where we stimulate
two different types of neurons -
11:41 - 11:45that are placed in the same location
within the brain. -
11:45 - 11:47These are called medium spiny neurons.
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11:47 - 11:51One is a D1 receptor type,
the other is a D2 receptor type, -
11:51 - 11:54but these two neurons
are placed in the same location, -
11:54 - 12:01and have very important implications
for things like Parkinson's disease. -
12:01 - 12:05And what this does is, upon stimulation,
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12:05 - 12:09even though these are
neurons in the same location, -
12:09 - 12:12when you stimulate one of the neurons
on the left side, -
12:12 - 12:17you will see that the mouse starts
to rotate in the clockwise direction, -
12:17 - 12:19and generally increases activity.
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12:19 - 12:21And in the other case,
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12:21 - 12:25you will see that the mouse
starts rotating in the opposite direction, -
12:25 - 12:26and it will stay generally still,
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12:26 - 12:31where you might even think that the video
has stalled but it actually hasn't. -
12:31 - 12:36And so these are two different cell types,
exactly in the same location, -
12:36 - 12:40but because we have this new genetic tool,
we could manipulate them separately, -
12:40 - 12:43have volume up and down buttons separately
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12:43 - 12:46so that we might understand
what this does. -
12:46 - 12:48That's great!
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12:48 - 12:49We have one problem solved
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12:49 - 12:55of being able to specifically manipulate
important buttons of the brain. -
12:55 - 13:01Next, what we need is to be able to read
out what is happening inside the circuit. -
13:01 - 13:06We want to press this button and
see what happens in the overall system. -
13:06 - 13:11To do that, we combine
this optogenetics stimulation technology -
13:11 - 13:14with the functional MRI methods,
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13:14 - 13:18where we can now selectively control
specific cell types -
13:18 - 13:21with temporal precision in a live subject.
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13:21 - 13:24You want to monitor this in a live brain
-
13:24 - 13:28- once you take out the tissue
it doesn't do what it was designed to do - -
13:28 - 13:31and monitor its brain wave
activity responses. -
13:31 - 13:34And so here is an example
of an experiment -
13:34 - 13:38where we can now stimulate -
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13:38 - 13:40You see the blue line in the image there?
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13:40 - 13:45This is where we specifically target
a set of neurons -
13:45 - 13:50that are called excitatory neurons
of the hippocampus. -
13:50 - 13:52This is a very special area of the brain
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13:52 - 13:55that is implicated
in Alzheimer's disease and epilepsy -
13:55 - 13:57and other important neurological disease.
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13:58 - 14:02And now by stimulating them specifically
and monitoring what happens throughout - -
14:02 - 14:05these are brain images from the front
to the back of the brain, -
14:05 - 14:07all the way throughout.
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14:07 - 14:10And you can now see what happens
in every part of the brain -
14:10 - 14:16as a result of provoking
this particular type of neuron. -
14:16 - 14:21What this means for us
is that now we have tools -
14:21 - 14:24to start and investigate, see,
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14:24 - 14:29have access to the data
of what goes on inside the brain. -
14:29 - 14:33What this means is
that we now can perhaps open -
14:33 - 14:37a new era of neuro-
information technology. -
14:37 - 14:41We no longer have to wonder about:
What is it that the brain does? -
14:41 - 14:44Is this a property of the brain?
Is that the property? -
14:44 - 14:48Instead, we can have direct access
to the information there. -
14:48 - 14:50Where in the case of diseases,
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14:50 - 14:56we might attempt to directly restore
what has gone wrong inside the brain. -
14:56 - 15:00One of the most promising therapies
that are being tested right now, -
15:00 - 15:04and some are being used in
the clinic for brain disease, -
15:04 - 15:06is called neurostimulation therapy.
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15:06 - 15:09Because the brain is
an electrical circuit, -
15:09 - 15:16by putting an electrode inside the brain
and disrupting the erroneous signal, -
15:16 - 15:19we attempt to get rid of the symptoms,
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15:19 - 15:22such as tremoring in
the Parkinson's disease, -
15:22 - 15:25and restore its normal function.
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15:25 - 15:28The keyword here is "disrupt."
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15:28 - 15:33We call it disrupt because we really
don't know what we're doing. -
15:33 - 15:35It was doing something
that we didn't like. -
15:35 - 15:37We put it there and zapped it,
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15:37 - 15:42and somehow it gave us
a desirable result - sometimes. -
15:42 - 15:47But now that we have access to
information directly inside the brain. -
15:47 - 15:50What this means is
that, instead of disrupting, -
15:50 - 15:54we can reprogram what our brain can do.
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15:55 - 15:57On top of that,
-
15:57 - 16:02if the damage was more extensive,
where you actually need to replace parts, -
16:02 - 16:05which is what stem cell
therapy promises us, -
16:05 - 16:09despite the fact that we have
the powerful stem cell therapy option, -
16:09 - 16:12one of the reasons
why we could not make progress -
16:12 - 16:16in treating brain disease
with the stem cell therapy -
16:16 - 16:19was the fact that there was
no way to know exactly -
16:19 - 16:22what it does once it enters the brain.
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16:22 - 16:25And by having programmable stem cells
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16:25 - 16:29that we can put in and look at with
access to all the information, -
16:29 - 16:36we might be able to also enter an era
where we can replace parts. -
16:36 - 16:38And so with all of these technologies
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16:38 - 16:42that allows us to get into the realm
of neuro-information technology, -
16:42 - 16:44we might be able to open a new era
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16:44 - 16:46where we no longer need to be frustrated
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16:46 - 16:49with our inability
to control our own brains. -
16:50 - 16:54Beyond being able to fix diseases,
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16:54 - 16:59the future of being able to have access to
neurological information and data -
16:59 - 17:04promises much more
than just treating diseases. -
17:04 - 17:07This is one of my favorite scenes
from the movie "Avatar" -
17:07 - 17:12where you have the human brain and
the avatar brain that is being synced up. -
17:12 - 17:18In this particular scene,
the syncing is 40.665% complete. -
17:18 - 17:23This is just a fantasy, a movie,
for us right now, -
17:23 - 17:28but by having the ability to access
your neurological information, -
17:28 - 17:32the power of what we can do
with that is limitless. -
17:33 - 17:38It deeply saddens me to think
about the fact that -
17:38 - 17:45I could not help my grandmother
in the time of her desperate need. -
17:45 - 17:48However, it is my hope and dream
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17:48 - 17:50that she will live on in our memory
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17:50 - 17:57as we make bold and brave steps towards
this new era of information technology. -
17:59 - 18:00Thank you very much.
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18:00 - 18:02(Applause)
- Title:
- Neuro Information Technology: Can We Take Control of Our Brain Circuit | Jin Hyung Lee | TEDxKFAS
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When our brain circuits fail, the outcome is life shattering. We lose our ability to remember, walk, talk, or even breathe. While we now live in a world where we can access information and make contact with people everywhere in real time, currently available solutions to brain disease are extremely limited. Neuro information technology expert Dr. Jin Hyung Lee shares a moving personal story that inspires her to find cures for brain disease and help us take control of our brain circuit.
Dr. Jin Hyung Lee is Assistant Professor of Neurology and Neurological Sciences, Bioengineering, Neurosurgery, and Electrical Engineering (Courtesy) at Stanford University. She received her Bachelor’s degree from Seoul National University and Masters and Doctoral degree from Stanford, all in Electrical Engineering. She is a recipient of the 2010 NIH Director’s New Innovator Award, the 2011 NSF CAREER Award, the 2012 Alfred P. Sloan Research Fellowship, the 2012 Epilepsy Therapy Project award, the 2013 Alzheimer’s Association New Investigator Award, and the 2014 IEEE EMBS BRAIN young investigator award.
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