1 lesson - Come out of the the box - The Pioneer School

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Come out of the the box. Much of what we do today is because our church history. It is important to understand this in order to take our glasses of .. Those who hinder us in reading the Word of God as it. This is an important lesson as Torben will come back to this again and again during the pioneer school.

Welcome to this first teaching
on our Pioneer School.

Today I am going to take you through
some church history.

And I’m going to show you that much
of what we are doing today is

not built on the word of God, but instead
built on 'our' foundation that got laid

many years ago by the Catholic church.

And because we are still building
on the same foundation

every church somehow looks the same and
we are not effective in making disciples

the way Jesus commanded us to.

And when we start to see that and
change our way of doing it

we are going to be so much more
effective in making disciples.

And we are going to break out of some of
the traditions and come into

the normal Christian life.

The normal Christian life is what we read
here in the book of Acts.

Revival Christianity as we
read it in Bible.

What we see behind us is not the
normal Christian life.

The Bible, the book of Acts, is the
normal Christian life.

And during this teaching I’m going to
help you to see that and to take

the first step into the freedom,
into the life that God has for you.

The life we read about
in the book of Acts.

So welcome
to this first teaching.

The Last Reformation

THE BOOK OF ACTS

20 lessons that make a DIFFERENCE

A NEW BEGINNING

IN YOUR LIFE

IN

YOUR

LIFE

Welcome to the Pioneer school

Welcome to this Pioneer school my name is
Torben Sondergaard and I’m from Denmark.

And it's a great honour for me
to welcome you.

I believe that this teaching is going
to change your life.

Many of you have seen my
YouTube channel or my website

TheLastReformation.com

And have heard some of the testimonies
of what God is doing.

And I believe that this teaching is also
going to help you to come into this life.

The life we are all longing for, the life
we read about in the book of Acts.

And I can say right now, I think this is so
amazing what God is doing

because right now I hear testimonies
every day from people whose lives

have gotten changed through this teaching.
People who have gotten changed

by the way we make disciples.

I can say from the beginning that
my heart is to train and equip people.

I believe if we somehow change the way we are
working, change the way we are teaching,

change the way we are preaching the
gospel, change the way we are making disciples.

I belive we can see amazing things happen.
And it doesn’t have to take a long time.

Just some days ago there was someone
who saw my video from Holland.

And they chose to come to Denmark
to have a vacation here

and at the same time to meet me
and to go with me out on the street.

This was a couple that has four kids
and they came with the kids.

We talked a little and then we went down
to the city where I'm living and they wanted

to learn to heal the sick, and they
wanted to experience that.

None of them.

They had never prayed for people on
the street before that had gotten healed.

And what I did was very simple, you find
it in the word of God. Jesus said:

"Come and follow me", and people followed
Jesus at that time

and Jesus touched the people.

Not by making a Bible school
but in everyday life.

And it is what I did some days ago.

I said "Come and follow me" and we went
down in the city.

And it took about 20 minutes for her to
pray for the first person who got healed.

20 minutes later her husband had prayed
for the first one who got healed.

And it was so amazing because some of the
people they prayed for were from Iceland.

They were part of a football team
playing in Denmark

and some of those people got healed.

So later they came to us with the whole
team and suddenly there were 40 people

standing behind us who got prayed for.
I said to the new people from Holland:

"You just pray, you just do it."
And after 20 to 40 minutes they were

standing praying for a group of people of
whom many people got healed.

And I believe in that hour there were
30 people who got healed.

And one of the last two people we
prayed for had a migraine headache

for two years and was healed.

With the other one, it had been four
years since a car accident and there was

a bone in her body that went out of place.

She had a problem in her back
for four years and when she

pushed the bone around in her back
she could feel that bone in her body

didn’t belong there. Something
was totally wrong.

The woman from Holland, I just told her
like the other one: "Just pray"

She laid her hands and prayed.
And this bone went back into the body

and she could not feel it any more
and every pain was gone.

We experienced this in only one hour.

40 minutes, it took for both of them
to learn to heal the sick.

And they went back to Holland
and they are doing the same there.

It is not about me it is about
the Holy Spirit inside of us.

This is just one example of how you can
take people and make them disciples in a

different way than what we are used
to by sitting in a church

or going to a Bible school.
This is also a kind of Bible school,

an on-line Bible school, but it is
very different and you are

going to see later.

This is not putting a lot of theology
into your head. It is very practical

the teaching I’m going to give to you.
Because like the couple from Holland,

we saw their lives change and taught them
to come into this new life in 40 minutes.

How many people are in the churches
in the world today

who have been sitting ten years, fifteen
years, twenty years and longing

for something like this?

But they have not done it and they
still sit there and think.

They just sit and listen and think
some day it is going to happen.

To be honest, it is not going to happen
if we just do what we have always done.

No, we have to dare to stop up and ask
ourselves what we are doing.

Is it the word of God?

Do we really create disciples?

I believe the revival we are standing in
front of, is the last reformation.

It is a reformation about creating
disciples.

Because if we again use the tools
God has given us to make disciples like

Jesus has called us to do.

And do it the way He
commanded us to do it.

We can see so much happen and
I have many testimonies of people

who have been sitting in church,
maybe their whole lives.

Or for 20 or 40 years who have
never led anybody to Christ,

have never healed the sick,
have never cast out a demon,

have never experienced the supernatural
life and don't have testimonies

like we read about in the book of Acts.

But just by working with them for one
or two hours, maybe one day

their life will change and after that
they will continue living this new life.

Before, their life didn’t look like what
we read in the book of Acts.

But after just a few hours their lives
began to look like what we read

in the book of Acts. I’m going to tell
a lot of testimonies like that later

during this Bible school.

And if you are longing to be used by God,

if you are longing to experience
how God is using you.

Then you have come to the right place.

If you just want theology and
just want to discuss things then

this is not the Bible school for you.

Because we have to know that it’s not
only about the right theology.

You are going to see that here.

It is really about doing things in
a simple way, the way Jesus did.

And it’s about opening our eyes and
taking off our religious glasses and

start from the beginning.

What I am going to do this first
lesson is:

I am going to take you through some
church history.

Many things in church history
are not exciting but this is

exciting because this is going to show
you why things are the way they are today.

And how the churches are in the world
today. It is going to help you to break

out of those traditions and come into the
life you are longing for that we

read in the book of Acts.

I first want to say that here I have
the Bible.

If I want to see how a Christian is going
to live and what is a normal Christian life.

Where do I have to look for that? Do I
have to look in the Old Testament?

No, because in the Old Testament you don't
find a Christian disciple of Jesus like

you and me. Because The Old Testament was
before Jesus, it was the old Covenant and

things there were very different
than they are today.

But many churches and many Christians

today still live in The Old Testament
and in The Old Testament mind-set.

But it is not in the Old Testament that
we find what a disciple is.

Where then do I find it?

Is it in the four gospels? No, no
it’s not in the four gospels.

The four gospels are of course,
Jesus Words, where you see what

Jesus called us to do. And how he sent
His disciples, how Jesus was living and

working and how he died on the cross
and rose again.

But in the four gospels you don’t see any
disciples like you and me, why?

Because nobody in the gospels was
baptized into Jesus Christ

the way we are baptized today.
Nobody received the Holy Spirit the

way we are today, because the Holy Spirit
was not poured out in the four gospels.

Jesus had not died and had
not risen again.

The four gospels are still
the Old Covenant.

And many Christians today also live
in the four gospels and don’t understand

that we should not live there.
We should live like what we read

in the book of Acts, the next book in
the Bible. Because in the book of Acts

we read about how the Holy Spirit got
poured out over people and

shows how they started to live.
What do you read in the book of Acts?

You read about a people who loved God,
who loved Jesus, who were willing

to take up the cross and follow Him and
many died as martyrs.

You also read about how the Holy Spirit
was working in them.

How the Holy Spirit was leading them,
how God used them to build His church.

It was like the Holy Spirit working
through the whole book of Acts

where you see how the Holy Spirit
led them by dreams, how He spoke to them

and how they spoke and how they healed
the sick and cast out demons.

This is what we read in the book of Acts.

The book of Acts is the normal
Christian life.

If you are coming from a church setting
where you sit in your church and look

around, and what you see is so different
from what you read in the book of Acts.

I want to say to you that what you see
around you is not the normal Christian life.

This is not how it should be.

It should be like what we read there
in the book of Acts.

If you are sitting in one denomination,
in one church and you look around

you get one picture of what it is
to be a Christian.

But if you are in another church,
in another denomination,

then you get different picture of what it
is to be a Christian.

But we should stop and take the Word
alone, the book of Acts.

Especially when it comes to what it is to
be a disciple and how we should live.

This is the same today. Because everybody
believes that Jesus is the same yesterday,

today and forever. He has not changed. We
believe that when it comes to salvation.

And we believe that when it comes
to a lot of other things.

But what about the life? What about
the Holy Spirit? What about the miracles?

If He has not changed, then what we read
about in the book of Acts is the same today.

Because if He has not changed then the
Holy Spirit has not changed.

The book of Acts is not so much
about the apostles.

You are going to see later, that the
book of Acts is about the Holy Spirit

in the first disciples and how they
were living. He has not changed.

The Holy Spirit has not changed so our
lives today should look like the

book of Acts. When I started to see that,
some of the things I am going to share

with you in this Bible school, I myself
started to break out of my normal life at

that time.

I took one step, then one more step
and suddenly I started to see more and

more life like we read there. I have many
amazing testimonies about how God has led

me with dreams and has been speaking to
me by the Holy Spirit; guiding me.

I’ve seen many people saved and filled
with the Holy Spirit.

I prayed for them and suddenly the
Spirit came upon them.

People starting to speak in tongues
and people were set free from demons.

This is starting to be a normal
life for me and many of you heard

about this life. But often we hear
about it in China or Africa and in

other countries, but what about the west?

I am living in Denmark,
it’s a western country.

And Jesus is the same here in the west,
like we read about in the book of Acts.

The stories we hear about in China we
can see here, why?

Because Jesus is just the same.

I hope you are ready to receive
this teaching because it is going

to provoke you.

I want to say from the beginning, God
has given me a gift and my gift is to

provoke people. Now that I have said it
I am allowed to use my gift.

I want to provoke you.

I want to say something and show you
something you have never heard before.

When you hear it and it is new, just
stop and think and feel in your heart and

look into the Word of God. Is what
I am saying true?

And you will be shocked because much
of what you have been doing until this day

has not been the Word of God,
it has been traditions.

I am going to take you
through some church history

and show you what foundation we are
building on and it’s going to really be

a great big help for you to break out
of this. It’s also going to be a teaching

I’m going to come back to again and again
during this Bible school.

This teaching is going to help you to
receive what Jesus is saying.

Are you ready for that?

The book of Acts, revival Christianity,
as we read about in the Bible.

The book of Acts
is the normal Christian life.

It started with the Holy Spirit who was
poured out on people

and how the first disciples were living.

I’m going to go through the book of
Acts during this Bible school and you are

going to see a lot of things.

The book of Acts was about a few
people who changed the world

in whom the Holy Spirit started
and it influenced the whole world.

We had like a revival Christianity
in the beginning.

Also a martyred Christianity.
Many people died for their faith.

Then something happened.
Around 300 AD there was an emperor

called Constantine who changed
a lot of things in Christianity.

Before him Christianity was
persecuted and many died, but the

emperor Constantine took Christianity in
and created a state religion out of it.

Many Christians believed that Constantine
was a Christian who did a good job in the

church, but in reality he messed the
church up for good.

Because during his time he changed many
things we are still building on today.

And out of Constantine we got
the Catholic Church.

But it had a price because
many things changed.

If I say to you now: "The Catholic
Church, what do people think of it?"

People think of a very,
very big church building,

people think of the pope, think of the
priest, think of mass and the church

the meetings on Sunday.

They think of the whole setting
around on the Catholic Church.

But where do you find
all this in the book of Acts?

Where do you find the pope?

Where do you find a priest,
the way we see it?

Where do you find the church meeting?

Where do you find the church building?
Where do you find the meeting on a Sunday?

You don’t find that in the book of Acts.
Jesus came to tear down the temple to

build a new temple of living stones where
the Holy Spirit could dwell inside us.

And Jesus came and said “You shall not
call anybody your father because only one

is your Father, God who is in heaven.”

Jesus came with many things but
the Catholic Church changed them.

We got the holy place, we got
the temple and we got the pope.

The word pope comes out of the word
father, and there are many people around

the world today who say:
"Oh, the pope, our father".

But that was not what Jesus came with.

I want to say that many things changed.
And if we look at the change,

where did the changes come from?

In the book of Acts there were the Jews,
the Jews have their holy day on Saturday.

Jesus came, and for Him there
was not one day holier than another.

Now there is a rest we can find in Jesus
Christ and there will be some teaching

on that, another time.

Jesus came with something new but then
the Catholic Church came and they wanted

to build a big religion out of it and
changed a lot of things Jesus had started.

So they created a new holiday,
Sunday. Why?

Because Sunday was the day of the Sun.
The Sun-god's day.

Because Constantine was a high priest
in a sun-god cult and he continued being

a high priest until the day he died.
So many things he did by worshipping

the Sun-god. He took into this foundation.
Suddenly we got a Sunday, holy day. Why?

Because of Constantine and the
worship of the sun god.

He also built a temple and he turned
the temple to the east.

So when the priest who he has sat down,
he gets the sun on his head.

That is why, at the same time,
he can somehow worship the Sun-god.

And a lot of things changed in the
Catholic Church of today

compared to what we see there.
And that change had a price.

I can say, in the book of Acts there is a
testimony where you see Peter and John,

they were on the way to pray and there
was a lame man who was praying for alms.

And they looked at the lame man and they
said, "Gold and silver we do not have,

but what we have we give you,
in the name of Jesus rise up".

They took the lame man and he got healed.
You see that all over the book of Acts.

But during that period it changed. Can
a priest in the Catholic Church today say:

"Gold and silver we do not have?"
No! Why? Because they have a lot

of gold, they have a lot of silver.
Because now it is a big organization,

a big machine, a big company.

So they cannot say silver and gold we
do not have, but they also cannot say:

In the name of Jesus stand up walk! Why?
Because the Holy Spirit wants to be free.

God doesn’t want to be blessing or
confirming our traditions.

He wants to confirm and bless His Word.

And when we started to change a lot
of things and make a religion out of it

and to put God in a box, what happened
then? The Holy Spirit just went away.

And the power went away,
the life went away.

Why? Because we have built a foundation
that is not on the word of God.

But when we come out of this system
and get changed we are going to see

the same things again like we
read in the book of Acts.

So many things got changed during that
period with the Catholic Church.

And then there was the dark ages.

Many years where nothing happened.
Of course there has always been revival

Christianity in different places.

But in the big church we got the
Catholic Church and things died off.

Many things during that period changed.
Then in 1500 there was a guy called Martin

Luther in Germany. He came with his 95
Theses on the 31st of October 1517.

He put the Ninety–Five Theses on the
church door and we saw the beginning

of what we call the reformation--
we got the Lutheran church.

So we had the Catholic Church until the
1517, where the reformation started with

Martin Luther. I have it here:
"The Reformation."

It was built on the truth:
Justification by faith.

So Martin Luther came with justification
by faith, something the Catholic Church

also has lost. What you have to see
now is that it was amazing what Martin

Luther did and what God called
him to do. To call it a reformation

is...somehow a good word.

But at the same time he didn’t reform the
Catholic Church back to the book of Acts.

Many things in the Lutheran church
today look like the Catholic Church.

The whole system is still Sunday
meetings, it is still a priest

who does the whole thing, it is still a
big church, it is still communion,

it is still a little bread and wine.

In the book of Acts it is like a feast
where they ate together

and got filled up with food.

But it changed and became something
religious through the Catholic Church

and in the Lutheran church
it is almost the same.

So Martin Luther came with justification
by faith. Yes. But he didn’t reform

the whole system back to the book of Acts.

He didn’t change the church back
to the book of Acts.

One more thing, if we look at the book of
Acts, I’m going to go through this later,

Jesus came with a priesthood where we
are all priests and everybody could

baptize, everybody could take communion,
everybody could be a part of all this.

Because we are all priests with one
high priest, Jesus Christ.

That changed during the Catholic Church
and we got the system where we got

the pope, the priest, the nuns
and the monks; we got a whole system

and we got the whole system.
And the lay people.

Something Jesus hates because
we are all ministers.

And I’m going to go through that
in the next lesson.

But it changed and then we got
the reformation.

And in the Lutheran church
what did Luther do?

He took the pope and threw the pope out.

So now we didn’t have a pope.

But he didn’t change it back to the
priesthood of all believers

where there was the fivefold ministry
you read about in Ephesians 4:11.

Where people were equipping the saints.
He didn’t change that back.

No, he just threw the pope out and he
still had the priest and now the eldership

and now other things.

So what you saw was a reformation
but the reformation was not fulfilled.

It was just the beginning.

Because it became a big system
like the Catholic Church.

So God had to send something more.
He wanted to take the church back

to the beginning so he
sent the next revival.

We saw that start in England in the
beginning of 1600 in the Baptist revival.

Many people got persecuted because
of their belief in baptism of believers.

And they were persecuted by the Catholic
Church and the Lutheran church

and also by the Calvinistic church.

They got persecuted and so they fled to
Holland in 1609.

They got the first Baptist church in
Holland (and we still have it).

We got the biblical baptism of believers.

And this is what we got. We put it here.

And again you see the same thing
when you talk about baptism.

In the book of Acts, everybody got baptized
on the same day, on their own faith.

And baptism, if you look in the Greek,
was down under water.

It was like a burying under water
and it was really important.

It was so important that you don’t see
anybody in the book of Acts who

came to faith without getting baptized.
It is so clear in the book of Acts.

But, still it changed again during the
Catholic Church because it became

a state religion. And because it was
for everybody in the state.

It was not about faith any more. They
baptized everybody, every child.

Because then they did not have any choice.

And we see the children's baptism
coming at that time.

We got the reformation, but did the
Lutheran church and Martin Luther

change or reform the baptism back
to what we read in the Bible?

No. Because he continued in this
baptism, the baptism of children.

So we see again the reformation
was not fulfilled.

It was still building on something
that was totally wrong.

So we got the baptism revival and out of
that we got a biblical baptism.

But it didn't stop there.

After that things started in a good way,
they always started outside the church,

like a revival movement, and there was
always something amazing in it.

There was a revival, there
was a faith, there was fire.

But somehow it died out
and became a system.

So the Lutheran church today is not
so much the Martin Luther way.

Martin Luther was much more radical
than the Lutheran church.

Also the Baptist church is not Baptist
like it was when it started.

You are going to see that during every
revival everything started in an amazing way.

Outside the church there was freedom,
there was life. Or if it started inside

and had to breakout because the box
cannot keep what God is doing.

Every time it became a new religion,
every time it became a new faith society,

faith network or organization
or whatever you call it.

Then it died out and you can say the same
with the Methodists:

John and Charles Wesley, they came with
sanctification by faith, something

Martin Luther had not understood, because
Martin Luther believed that we were under

sin and not able to do anything about it.
But Charles and his brother John Wesley

saw that God had called us to be Holy and
Jesus not only came to forgive our sins.

But he also came to set us free
and take sin away.

There was something they understood,
an important truth.

That we are supposed to be Holy as
God is Holy, so it came here afterwards.

And now I want to show you
something very interesting.

In front of our eyes in the last many
hundred years you can see that Jesus

or God is restoring His church.

Many of the truths which got lost during
that time, He is restoring back to

what we read in the word of God.

If you go to Hebrews chapter six you will
read what the foundation is

for us as believers. The foundation is
repentance from evil deeds,

faith in God and baptism, those three
things are the foundation.

Repentance, faith in God and baptism
are what you read in Hebrew six.

If we just take these three:
repentance, faith and baptism.

Something we read about in
the book of Acts.

Something that the Catholic Church lost,
but something God started to renew.

First came faith. We are justified
by faith not by alms.

Not by coming into church and doing the
right thing, but by faith in Jesus Christ.

Then baptism in water and then
holiness and repentance.

So you see the things we saw beginning
in the book of Acts got changed

during that time. But God started to
renew and He continue that.

The next thing you read in the book
of Acts is the eternal life.

And then something to do with the laying
on of hands, receiving the Holy Spirit.

And it was the next thing God sent.
The next thing: the Adventist Church,

the hope of Christ’s second coming.

The hope of Christ's sceond coming,
the Adventist Church. We put it here.

And afterwards we got the next one.
I have written here:

Finney and Moody:
Baptism with the Holy Spirit

It was to equip the saints.
The holy Spirit, not the gifts.

But the Holy Spirit, the power
to be a witness.

And something they came with and
God used them to bring,

and other people at that time.

And when that came,
we saw a renewed side of everything again.

The Holy Spirit came and the power
and life started to happen.

But still if you look during this time of
church history we saw justification by

faith, sanctification by faith, yes!
Biblical baptism of believers, yes!

Hope of Jesus coming, yes!

And baptism with the Holy Spirit, yes!
The power, yes!

But the gifts we read about in
the book of Acts:

speaking in tongues, to prophecy, casting
out demons, healing the sick is something

that got lost in the Catholic Church and
those churches still are not building on.

Why? Because this is not their
foundation. To be honest.

Their foundation is tradition
and not the Bible.

I know it is provoking to say
something like that.

But you can just see: We are still,
and I was also, a part of it.

Everybody of us is part of this history.

We have been building on
a wrong foundation.

So today we have a lot of churches
where you don’t see the life,

you don’t see the gifts and you don’t
have the right theology.

So God sent something new: the Pentecost,
the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Azusa street, Los Angeles in 1906,
W. J. Seymour.

There was a group of people who
was together praying.

The Holy Spirit came and fell upon
them and the gifts were renewed

to the church one more time.

At the same time we had that there was
another revival in Wales with E. Roberts.

An amazing revival where 100,000 people
got saved in the first few months.

And people really repented.

It was radical and they closed down the
jails and the pubs, and everything.

People started to stop
stealing and swearing.

And a lot of things happened
during the Wales revival.

Out of that there also came a truth
that had been lost.

And it was the five-fold ministry.

Like we read in the book of Acts, but
it never became like the book of Acts.

Because we still have, in those churches,
we still have the whole box.

Like we read about with the priests.
So then the five-fold ministry didn’t get

the right place as we read
in the book of Acts.

I’m going to come back to that later.
Out of that we got the Apostolic church.

In Denmark we have a movement,
a network called the Apostolic church.

Who has their foundation
in the Wales Revival.

This is some church history,
I have just taken you through.

And we can learn so much out
of this church history.

We can learn, why we are doing
the things we are doing today.

Because if we start to look at the whole
setting, the box surrounding the life

and when we look at the church building.

They (in the book of Acts) didn’t have a
church building the way we have it.

They didn’t have a Sunday meeting
the way we have it.

They didn’t have a Sunday worship order
the way we have it.

Where everything looks the same,
like put in a box.

They didn’t have that.

And a lot of things changed
through the Catolic Church.

We got the building, we got the
priests, we got the Sunday meetings

with the Sunday worship
order that we have today.

That changed. And the Catolic Church and
the Lutheran church look the same.

And every other church looks
like the Lutheran church.

Sunday meeting. Of course,
some have it on Saturday.

Sunday meeting, Sunday meeting,
Sunday meeting, church building.

Everything somehow look the same!

If you travel in the world today,
almost every church looks the same.

Every time we have a pastor who
is standing with the Word:

"In our church we are building on
the Word, and the Word alone."

They are saying that but they don’t know
that the the whole foundation they are

building on, when it come to the setting,
when they come to the building,

when they come to the hierarchy,
when it comes to the church meeting.

It's not the Bible, but the Catolic church
in the year 300 and forward.

And because of that, somehow the
life is drawn out of people.

Because we are all called to serve God!

I’m going to talk about that
in the next lesson.

Because we are all called to serve God.

And if you are just coming into church
and listening and not doing anything,

you are dying slowly and this
is what we are seeing today.

Because that church setting is
not able to make disciples.

And I want to tell a
testimony of my own life.

I got saved in one of those boxes. I came
into a church and I looked around me.

And I thought: "This is what I see,
this is the normal Christian life."

And I, like many others, had a desire and
longing to serve God and I said:

"Ok, how can I serve God?" I was looking
around thinking how can I serve God.

"OK, I cannot sing, I cannot
be part of worship.

Because I don’t have any tone in my life.
"Ok, I want to preach but I cannot do that

because this is taken by somebody else."

So I became an usher and I helped
with practical things. It was Ok.

But I remember after some years. I had a
longing for more. I wanted to preach.

Because again it was the only thing I
saw inside of that church I could do.

So I said to my friend:
"How can I come to preach?"

And he said that you can build up to it.
Start in the Sunday school.

After some years you could
be a youth leader.

After some years as a youth leader you
are going to speak one Sunday each year.

He told me that. I looked at my hand and
if I did everything according to this

system, it would take me five years to get
the chance to speak one Sunday each year.

Somehow it opened my eyes. Suddenly I
looked around and I was shocked!

Because here were many people who
had been on Bible school, who knew God.

But where was the life? Now they were just
coming and sitting and not serving.

And nothing was happening!
I saw that there was something wrong.

And because of that me and my wife
went to another town

to help some other people
to build a church.

At that time we were young and we
were on fire. There was nobody over us.

So we were free to do exactly
what we wanted to do.

I remember: "Now we are free, yes!"
And I remember we were going to have our

first Sunday meating: "What shall we do?
You are going to preach.

Oh, it's going to be good! I’m going
to lead a meeting, woo!"

"But we also want to take up an offering."

"Yes, but we cannot just take up
an offering and then preach."

"No, what if I say a welcome
and sing some songs.

And then have some information,
then take an offering?

And then we have some more songs
and then preach?" "Yes! Let’s do that!"

And I was so happy until I looked at the
paper and I saw: This is not different!

This is exactly what we came out of!

And this is what we have to understand.
I left because I wanted to make disciples.

I wanted to change it. But it was
one thing to leave the old thing.

And another thing to get the
old thing out of me.

Like Moses, it was not so difficult for
him to get the Israelites out of Egypt.

But it was difficult to get Egypt out of
them. They always looked back.

And for me, I got saved and I came to the
church and when I left that a short time

later, I wanted to build something new.
I wanted to make disciples. What happened?

I ended up with the old thing
one more time.

I ended up with a Sunday meeting
where we have: Welcome, some songs,

information, offer, songs, then you preach
and then we take some communion.

And it looked exactly like
what I came out of.

It looked so far away from what
we read in the first church.

They didn’t have an order like that.

But now many years later in Denmark
I have that order. Why?

Because of my church background,
because of the Catholic Church.

Somehow it has continued and we are all
part of those traditions. And my story is

that we left that place to another place
and worked with church planting again.

And each time I learned a little more.

But somehow, it was not easy to break out
of that box, to break out of the tradition.

But in the end God gave me a dream
and I experienced the freedom.

And when I experienced the freedom,
a lot of things changed.

And we moved to another town and
what happened was that there

God took us to a desert.
We lost our house, we lost our money.

My wife was sick at that time,
lying in bed and I wanted to die.

It was four years ago or so.

I was ready to die because I was asking,
"God where are you?"

We lost everything at that time. But when
we lost everything we found Jesus.

And I had a period of 2 years or 1 1/2
years where I was not part of a church.

So I was seeing everything
from the outside.

When I saw everything
from the outside,

suddenly I started to see
things in a new way.

It was like my glasses were coming off
me and I saw things in a new way.

It created a new life for me.
And I can tell a testimony.

I was fasting one time for forty days
during that period.

And one day God spoke to me and
said: "Torben" and I said: "What!"

"Go to Næstved", it is a town in
the other end of Denmark.

And I just knew it was God and I went home
crying. "Oh we are going to Næstved"

It was so strong for me
so we went to Næstved.

And I went there and I said: "God, now I
am here what do you want me to do?"

And I went around praying some
days and waiting for God.

Then on Sunday there was a small
Baptist church and I spoke there.

I know a friend who is a pastor there.

And there came a guy to me
and I prayed for him.

He had a problem in the knee and he was
going to be operated on the week after.

I prayed for him and God healed him.

He could walk up and down
the stairs without any problem.

After the meeting he cam to me. He said:
“Torben, I need to talk to you.

When did God speak to you
about going to Næstved?"

And I looked at him:

"The first afternoon when I was praying
on the field at three o'clock. Why?"

And he said: “Torben this is amazing,
I found your website on Monday.

And I also had been praying to God
Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday:

"God, send Torben to Næstved, so he
can pray for me so I can get healed.”

And I said: "What?"
When I heard that I thought:

"Woo-ow! Here I am in the other end of
Denmark praying. God spoke to me:

"Go there and I went because this guy
had been praying and he got healed.

I said to my wife on my way home:

"This is what we want! This life, where
we are being led by the Spirit."

Now I have hundreds of
testimonies of this.

How the Holy Spirit is leading
and guiding us in everyday life.

When I started to break out of those boxes
of tradition, suddenly I saw who I was.

I was a priest, I was filled with the
Holy Spirit. I was the temple of God.

God could use me in everyday life! And it
helped me to come back to the book of Acts.

Every person I’ve been working
with and trained since then

giving this teaching have
experienced the same:

When they break out of those
traditions and mind-sets,

suddenly they start to experience
the life we read about in the book of Acts.

And this is my teaching. Much of my
teaching comes from that period where

we went to a desert and saw things in a
new way and broke out of those traditions.

I want to say from the beginning: I love
the church, and I am not against it.

But I want to see a reformation.
And like Luther, The Catholic church:

When Luther started to reform the
Catholic Church they said to him that

he was sent from Satan to
destroy the church.

But we know today Martin Luther
wasn’t against the church.

He just wanted to reform it.
And I’m not against the church either,

I want reform the church.

But my view of church is very different
than other views of church.

I’ve been speaking in many churches
today: Pentecostal, Baptists and

in different kinds of settings.
I can speak there and somehow respect it.

But I believe if we really want to be
effective in making disciples;

we have to go down and
look at the foundation.

We have to change the foundation.

You cannot see if a church is a healthy
church by how much money they have!

You cannot see how good a church is by
the number of members they have.

Or how many people are coming on Sunday.

You don't see that by how many
activities the church has. No!

And especially you cannot see it by
what is happening on Sunday.

Because on Sunday everybody is
smiling and everything is looking good.

No, if you want to see if something is good
and healthy you can see it by their fruits.

Do they create disciples?

Do peoplel love Jesus and follow Him
and obey His word in deeds also?

Obey His words? When we are
talking about a life with Jesus,

not only Sunday morning but Monday,
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and so on.

So if you want to see if a
church is a good church;

then watch what people do on Friday, what
the young people do on Friday evening.

What the older people talk about
Wednesday afternoon.

What are people doing
when they are together?

Is it Jesus, the word of God that is
coming out of their mouths or bad jokes?

I am very bold in what am doing today
because I see the fruits.

People are becoming disciples of Jesus.
People are growing.

And I want to see a reformation of this.
I want to se a reformation.

I believe many priests today also
want to see that reformation.

Because I have met many priests who
are dying inside this system.

They start it up because they want to make
disciples, but end up with Sunday meeting,

Sunday meeting, Wednesday meeting,
Sunday meeting and the life was gone.

And the people were not growing any more
and they are somehow getting killed.

I've been a priest in the traditional way
also and my life was going out of me.

It was really hard. But now, by changing
the way, a lot of things happen.

I have a book about that:
"The Last Reformation".

You can see it on my website.
I encourage people to read that book.

If you really want to go into more details
then read my book: "The Last Reformation".

You can buy it as an eBook on Amazon.com
website and different places.

I have a link on my website:
www.thelastreformation.com

where you can get the eBook
or the normal book.

I encourage you to read
"The Last Reformation"

Because this is some of the history I’m
taking you through and showing you

why we are doing it and what we are doing.

I want to say: If we talk about this, the
problem is not only the church setting;

why we do what we are doing. The
problem is also our theology.

Because, we see the Catholic Church has a
theology where they lost a lot of things.

Then it came justification by faith,
baptism of believers, sanctification,

baptism in the Holy Spirit and so on.

But God did not recreate those truths for

people to sit in their own
box with the truth.

Many today, especially in a
Lutheran country like Denmark

believe we are Lutheran and: "Oh, we
don’t need the Holy Spirit because

we already have everything
in the Lutheran church."

But it’s not like that because
everything is a truth.

And I am not saying the last
thing is the best,

because the Pentecostal church can really
learn something from the Methodists

when it comes to sanctification
by faith and holiness.

So I don’t say that this is the best.
No.

I believe what we are going to see is that
every truth is going to come together.

But it’s not going to come together
by these big denominations

coming together being one.
No, because you cannot do that.

And we are seeing today a false
revival happen where many

of the churches are leaning toward
the Catholic Church again.

I am shocked how Pentecostal priests are

starting to lean toward
the Catholic Church.

The church fathers they call it.

Don’t go back to those traditions...
go back to the Bible,

to the book of Acts instead of this.

But they are leaning toward
the Catholic Church

and this is the false revival we
are seeing happen right now.

Just wait, it is going to happen much,
much more in the near future.

But the true revival is that people are
going to come out of those.

And the boxes are going to fall down.

Then we are going to be united
as one people.

And if you meet around with people
in the street and in their homes there

is nothing on their forehead--
Pentecostal or Baptist. No!

You are just a disciple of Jesus and I
believe this is what God wants us to do:

To unite us as one people so we can
learn and get everything right.

Because you can have a truth.

But if you have that truth alone without
the other truth; you are wrong.

Yes, you are justified by faith, but Jesus
didn’t say to get people justified.

No, he said go out and get people to
become my disciples so they obey me.

And to obey Him we need to bury the old
life and also we need to live a holy life.

We need to focus on the eternal life,
we need the Holy Spirit,

we need the gifts, when it comes to
being a disciple and following Jesus.

I just want to show you, to take an
example of theology, how bad this is.

If I take ten kids who are ten years
old and I give them a Bible.

And I ask those ten kids to read the
gospels and the book of Acts.

Then I ask them when is a person
going to get baptised?

Is it the first Sunday after they
came to faith? After some months?

Whenever they receive some
teaching in the church?

Or after many years when they
feel they are ready to get baptised?

If the kids have read the book of Acts
they will look at me and they will say:

None of these, but immediately
the same day, why?

Because this so clear, it is so clear
that kids ten years old can see that:

Everybody who came to faith in the
book of Acts got baptised the same day.

Everybody repented and got baptised
and received the Holy Spirit.

It was the beginning and it was
so clear for the ten kids.

But if I take five very smart people
from each denomination,

who can read Greek and Hebrew,

and who had been studying theology for
many years and ask them the same question:

"When is a person going to get baptised?

They are going to give me
five different answers.

It depends on where they
have been studying.

And none of the answers are the truth.
Because which of these groups are

baptising people the same day?
None of them. Why?

Because it doesn't fit in their boxes.

Somehow we have taken the word of God
out of power because of our religion,

because of our traditions.

Because in this church denominational
box it doesn't fit in that we

baptise people the same day.

Because we want it to happen
inside a church, at a meeting,

and it has to be organised.

Because of that we are loosing the
power and we are loosing the life.

But God doesn’t confirm our tradition,
He confirms His word.

I've experienced baptising
people the same day,

where the Holy Spirit is falling so that
people around are suddenly

starting to speak in tongues without
anybody praying for them. Why?

Because God likes it! God loves His word!

God loves it when we obey and honour
Him and do what He called us to do.

And not what our traditions tell us to do.

So you see those big smart people,
who can Greek and Hebrew,

cannot see what the Word is saying.
But ten kids can see it.

And we often believe it is all about
traditions, or it is all about knowledge,

all about teaching.

And many people in churches around the
world today think that if I want to

worship or serve God I just need to go to
Bible school. Wrong! To be honest, wrong!

In the book of Acts, did they go on a
Bible school? No! Did they know Jesus? Yes

Did they have a lot of knowledge? Yes.
But it was by being together with Jesus,

not by studying in a Bible school.

I don’t say Bible school is necessarily
wrong but the problem with a Bible school

is that when you are finished with
the Bible school,

you read the Bible with different glasses.

For example, if I meet a person who has
been studying theology I can tell you what

this person believes in
without talking with him.

I just have to know where
he has been studying.

If he have been studying in the Lutheran
church: "Oh, you believe this and this.."

The Methodist church:
"You believe this and this."

The Baptist church: "You believe in
this and this". Can you see it?

And it is like, somehow: When
we get saved or grow up,

we get saved or grow up in a church
denomination, a church setting.

And often, we believe that what we grow up
in is the only truth. Or what we start in.

Because everything we see looks like
what we are doing is the truth.

And we have smart people around us
who know the Bible much better than us.

So because of that it must be the truth.

But we forget everybody has smart people
around them who know the Bible.

And everybody believes what they
are doing is the truth.

But often we cannot see. Because we
read through these glasses.

I also have friends who is priests in the
Lutheran ministry who are very smart

in many ways, but when it comes to
baptism they cannot see.

When I read what they are saying...
If I was a teacher in a school where

they had an assignment, I would give
them the lowest grade. Why?

Because it's so bad, their theology,
when it comes to that.

In many other ways they are strong,
but when it comes to that it is very bad.

They cannot see it because of their glasses.
Or they are afraid to see.

Because if they suddenly see it, and
change their view on baptism, for exemple,

then they are going to lose their job,
their friends and their money.

They are going to lose everything because
they are not inside the box any more.

This is the problem, they often hinder
us in getting the right theology

and getting to know God.
Our boxes! Our boxes!

How often, if it was not a problem with
the box, do we see all the time,

a preist who read the Bible and:
"Hey, I bacame a baptist!"

Or a baptist read about the Holy Spirit:
"Oh, became a Pentecostal."

But how often do we see that?
Not very often.

Most of the time, what you get saved
into, the church setting.

What you grew up in you are going to
continue in for the rest of your life.

And you believe that you are so lucky,
because you just grew up in the right

church denomination who has the
truth and the truth alone.

I don’t believe anyone
has the truth alone.

I believe we have to get some of
the truth from each one of those

before we can get the whole truth.

So I just want to say,
it’s not only about theology.

It’s really about getting
the glasses off you.

I don’t want to discuss theology
with people, I’ve done that before.

But I don’t want to waste a lot
of time with discussions.

I want to use the time to train
and to do teaching like this,

so people can get their glasses off them,
and just start to read the Bible for

themselves with the Holy Spirit
teaching them.

When you do that, suddenly you: "Wow,
you see things you haven't seen before.

Now you know why my website is called
"The Last Reformation".

I have here:
The Catholic system must fall and

God bring us all together before
Jesus is comming again.

"The Last Reformation", which is the name
of my book and my website.

This is some of the teaching you
have received here.

I believe that we are standing in front of
the Last Reformation because

God in front of us, the last many years,
has been building His church and

He wants us to take the glasses off us.

He want us to break out of our wrong
foundation and come back to the simple,

but powerful life we read about
in the book of Acts.

Like the people who came from Holland
who wanted to learn to heal the sick

I didn’t give them a lot of teaching we
just had some coffee, talked about Jesus

and a lot of different things and then
I took them to the streets like I've done

with many other people.

And in twenty minutes they had prayed
for sick people who had gotten healed.

It didn’t take a lot of teaching. No,
because if we show the life

and train the way Jesus did it,
we can be so effective.

And this is what I want to do with
you during this Bible school.

In the next 19 lessons I’m
going to take you back

step by step into the life you read
about in the book of Acts.

I know there are going to be many
questions like: "What about this?

And what shall we do?
And… what about this?"

I say: Relax, one step at a time,
you are going to understand it later.

But what I want you to do now, before
I do the next lesson with you next week,

I want you to take the Bible,
the book of Acts.

And just start to read the book
of Acts from the beginning.

When you read the book of Acts you will
see the church inside of that.

Then say to yourself:
"This is a normal Christian life!"

"This is the normal Christian life."
Read the book of Acts.

And tell yourself "This is the normal Christian life."

Try to forget what setting you are in,
try to forget what you see around you.

And don’t think this is normal.
The word of God,

the book of Acts, is the
normal Christian life.

So take the book of Acts read it through.
and if you want more,

order my book: "The Last Reformation".
I think it will be good if you have that

and read it through while you are
going through the Bible school.

It can be a great blessing for you.
Otherwise I want to see you next week.

I look forward to it. Next week I'm going
to talk about, and I'm going to draw.

I’m going to illustrate and I talk a
little more about the system,

about the priesthood.
That we are all priests.

And help you to create a platform
in your life where you can grow.

Because in the west today we have built

a Christianity where it’s
all about knowledge.

But it’s not all about knowledge,
it’s about knowing and doing.

We often think: "Oh, I just need
more theology, more Bible school,

I need more education."

But if you look at people who have been
studying theology for many years.

The more they have been studying, the
less useful they are in the kingdom of God

when it comes to seeing growth, casting
out a demon, healing the sick,

hearing from God and being
led by the Holy Spirit.

Because the theology comes instead
of the practical and simple

obedience toward the Word of God.

What I did with this couple
from Holland was so

radical in reforming and totally changing
their lives, it just took 20 minutes.

I talked with them and said this is so
amazing and at the same time so simple,

nothing new, we just did what Jesus
said in Luke 10:9.

Go out, heal the sick and preach
the gospel. "Ok, let's do it."

But often we build theology out of
things instead of just doing them.

But for me and you to do it,
we need a platform,

we need to understand that Jesus wants
to be a part of our everyday life.

Yeah, and I’m going to speak
about that next week.

God bless you and see you next week.
Bye.