Psychological flexibility: How love turns pain into purpose | Steven Hayes | TEDxUniversityofNevada
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0:20 - 0:22Life asks us questions.
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0:24 - 0:27And probably one of the most important
questions it asks us is, -
0:28 - 0:32"What are you going to do
about difficult thoughts and feelings?" -
0:34 - 0:38If you're feeling ashamed or anxious,
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0:40 - 0:42life just asked you a question.
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0:44 - 0:47If you're standing here
about to give a [TEDx] talk -
0:47 - 0:48and your mind is getting very chattery,
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0:50 - 0:53what are you going to do about that?
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0:55 - 0:56Good question.
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0:56 - 0:58(Laughter)
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0:59 - 1:02And the answer to that question
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1:02 - 1:03and ones like it
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1:03 - 1:06say a lot about the trajectories
of our lives -
1:06 - 1:08whether or not they're going to unfold
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1:08 - 1:09in a positive way
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1:09 - 1:13that moves toward, towards prosperity,
love, freedom, contribution, -
1:13 - 1:16or downward, into pathology and despair.
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1:20 - 1:25And I'm here to make the argument
that you have within you -
1:25 - 1:27a great answer to that question
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1:27 - 1:29or at least the seed of it.
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1:30 - 1:32But, you also have this arrogant,
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1:32 - 1:35storytelling, problem solving, analytic,
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1:35 - 1:41judgmental mind between your ears
that doesn't have the answer -
1:41 - 1:43and is constantly tempting you
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1:44 - 1:46into taking the wrong direction.
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1:50 - 1:51My name is Steve Hayes
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1:51 - 1:53and for the last 30 years,
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1:53 - 1:56I and my colleagues have been studying
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1:56 - 1:59a small set of psychological processes -
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2:00 - 2:02fancy words for things people do -
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2:02 - 2:05called psychological flexibility.
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2:07 - 2:11It's a set of answers to that question.
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2:12 - 2:15And in more than a thousand studies,
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2:15 - 2:18we've shown
that psychological flexibility -
2:18 - 2:20predicts are you going to develop
a mental health problem -
2:20 - 2:22anxiety, depression, trauma?
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2:22 - 2:25If you have one it predicts,
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2:25 - 2:27later on will you have two?
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2:27 - 2:29It predicts how severe they are,
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2:29 - 2:30how chronic they'll be.
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2:30 - 2:31But, not just that,
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2:31 - 2:34it predicts all kinds of other things
that are important to us -
2:34 - 2:37even though it's not psychopathology.
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2:37 - 2:41Such as, what kind of parent
are you going to be? -
2:41 - 2:43What kind of worker are you going to be?
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2:43 - 2:47Can you step up to the behavioral
challenges of physical disease? -
2:47 - 2:50Can you stick to your exercise program?
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2:50 - 2:53Everywhere that human minds go,
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2:54 - 2:57psychological flexibility is relevant.
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3:00 - 3:03And what I want to do in this talk
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3:04 - 3:06is to walk you through
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3:06 - 3:08the science of psychological flexibility,
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3:08 - 3:09because we've learned
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3:09 - 3:12how to change these processes
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3:12 - 3:15in several hundred studies
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3:15 - 3:17using Acceptance and Commitment Therapy
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3:17 - 3:19or ACT, but not just ACT,
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3:19 - 3:21related methods that target flexibility
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3:21 - 3:23we've shown that we can change it
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3:23 - 3:24and when we change it,
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3:24 - 3:26those life trajectories that are negative
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3:26 - 3:28go positive
with outcomes in all the areas -
3:28 - 3:32that I just mentioned and many more.
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3:34 - 3:36So, I want to walk you through
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3:36 - 3:41what the elements
of psychological flexibility are. -
3:42 - 3:45And I'm going to take you back
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3:45 - 3:48to a moment in my life 34 years ago
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3:49 - 3:52where I first turned powerfully
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3:52 - 3:53in their direction.
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3:55 - 3:57Decades ago.
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3:58 - 4:01Thirty-four years ago at 2 in the morning
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4:01 - 4:04on a brown and gold shag carpet
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4:04 - 4:07with my body almost literally
in this posture, -
4:07 - 4:10and my mind for sure in this posture.
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4:11 - 4:15I had for two to three years
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4:15 - 4:17been spiraling down
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4:18 - 4:20into the hell of panic disorder.
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4:23 - 4:25It began in a horrific department meeting
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4:25 - 4:27where I was forced to watch
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4:27 - 4:29full professors fight
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4:29 - 4:31in a way that only wild animals
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4:31 - 4:34and full professors are capable of.
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4:34 - 4:36(Laughter)
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4:39 - 4:42And all I wanted to do
was to beg them to stop, -
4:44 - 4:47but instead I had my first panic attack,
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4:47 - 4:51and by the time they called on me,
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4:54 - 4:56I couldn't even make a sound
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4:57 - 4:59come out of my mouth.
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5:00 - 5:03And in the shock, and the horror,
and embarrassment -
5:03 - 5:06of that first and public panic attack,
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5:08 - 5:10I did all of the logical, reasonable,
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5:10 - 5:12sensible, and pathological things
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5:12 - 5:14your mind tells you to do.
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5:15 - 5:17I tried to run from anxiety;
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5:18 - 5:21I tried to fight with anxiety;
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5:21 - 5:24and I tried to hide from anxiety.
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5:25 - 5:26I sat next to the door.
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5:26 - 5:27I watched its coming.
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5:27 - 5:29I argued my way out of it.
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5:29 - 5:30I took the tranquilizers
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5:30 - 5:32and as I did all those things,
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5:32 - 5:34the panic attacks increased
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5:34 - 5:37in frequency and in intensity.
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5:38 - 5:40First at work,
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5:40 - 5:42but then while traveling,
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5:43 - 5:44and then in restaurants,
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5:44 - 5:45and then in movie theaters,
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5:45 - 5:46and then in elevators,
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5:46 - 5:48and then on phone calls,
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5:49 - 5:52and then in the safety of home,
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5:52 - 5:55and finally even being awakened
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5:56 - 5:59at two in the morning from a dead sleep
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5:59 - 6:02already in a panic attack.
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6:04 - 6:08But, this night
on that brown and gold shag carpet, -
6:09 - 6:11this night,
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6:11 - 6:14as I watched with anxiety waves,
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6:16 - 6:18my body's sensations
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6:18 - 6:19was different.
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6:19 - 6:23This night was even more horrifying,
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6:23 - 6:25but it was somehow satisfying,
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6:27 - 6:30because I wasn't having a panic attack.
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6:31 - 6:35I was dying of a heart attack.
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6:37 - 6:38I had all the evidence for it.
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6:38 - 6:40I had the weight in the chest.
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6:40 - 6:42I had the shooting pains down my arm.
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6:42 - 6:44I was sweating profusely.
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6:44 - 6:47My heart was racing
and skipping beats wildly. -
6:47 - 6:50And that same spider voice that came up
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6:50 - 6:52and said, "You've got to run.
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6:52 - 6:56You've got to fight.
You've got to hide from anxiety," -
6:56 - 6:58was now telling me,
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6:58 - 6:59"Make the call.
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6:59 - 7:02You can't drive in this condition.
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7:02 - 7:04You're dying.
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7:04 - 7:05Call the emergency room.
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7:05 - 7:07Call the ambulance.
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7:07 - 7:09This is not a joke. Make the call."
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7:11 - 7:14And yet, minute after minute went by
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7:14 - 7:17and I didn't make the call.
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7:18 - 7:20And I had a sense of leaving my body
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7:20 - 7:23and looking back at myself there
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7:24 - 7:26and I imagined what would happen
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7:26 - 7:28if I did make that call.
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7:29 - 7:30Like a series of scenes,
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7:30 - 7:32little snippets like in a movie trailer
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7:32 - 7:34like when you go to the theater
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7:34 - 7:36for the upcoming film.
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7:37 - 7:40I could hear the sound
of the emergency responders -
7:40 - 7:41coming up the stairs,
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7:41 - 7:44the pounding on the thin hollow door,
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7:45 - 7:47the ride in the ambulance,
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7:47 - 7:48the tubes and wires,
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7:48 - 7:51the concerned look
on the faces of the nurses -
7:51 - 7:53as I went into the emergency room,
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7:55 - 7:57and then finally the last little snippet,
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7:57 - 7:58the last little scene
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7:58 - 8:00in this movie trailer,
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8:00 - 8:02where I suddenly realized
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8:02 - 8:04what this movie was going to be about.
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8:06 - 8:07And I looked at it and I said,
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8:07 - 8:09"Oh, please, God, not that.
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8:09 - 8:11Please, please."
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8:13 - 8:15Because that final scene,
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8:15 - 8:17lying on the gurney in the emergency room,
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8:17 - 8:19here came a young doctor
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8:19 - 8:21in my mind's eye
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8:21 - 8:23walking entirely too casually.
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8:26 - 8:27And as he got close to me,
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8:27 - 8:30I could see there was a smirk on his face,
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8:31 - 8:33and I knew what was coming.
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8:35 - 8:37He got close and he said,
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8:37 - 8:39"Dr. Hayes,
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8:41 - 8:43you're not having a heart attack,"
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8:44 - 8:46and then the smirk broadened,
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8:47 - 8:49"You're having a panic attack."
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8:52 - 8:54And I knew that was true.
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8:56 - 9:00This was just another level down of hell.
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9:01 - 9:03And a scream came out of my mouth,
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9:03 - 9:08a weird breathly, strange sounding thing.
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9:09 - 9:11It sounded just like this.
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9:13 - 9:17(Screams)
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9:20 - 9:23And as I bounced off the bottom,
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9:23 - 9:25another door opened.
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9:28 - 9:29I don't know how long it was,
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9:29 - 9:31but it was a few minutes later
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9:31 - 9:33from a rarely visited,
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9:33 - 9:35but deeply me part of me,
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9:35 - 9:37the part of me that's behind your eyes,
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9:37 - 9:39a more spiritual part,
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9:39 - 9:42from my very soul,
if you want to say it that way, -
9:42 - 9:43words came out.
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9:43 - 9:44I'm pretty sure.
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9:44 - 9:46I said it out loud to no one
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9:46 - 9:47at two in the morning.
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9:49 - 9:50I said,
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9:51 - 9:53"I don''t know who you are,
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9:54 - 9:58but apparently, you can make me hurt.
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9:58 - 10:00You can make me suffer.
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10:01 - 10:04But I'll tell you
one thing you cannot do. -
10:05 - 10:10You can't make me turn
from my own experience. -
10:11 - 10:13You can't do it."
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10:19 - 10:23And my then much younger body
ached as it stood up, -
10:26 - 10:32and I could tell from the dried
and burning tracks of tears on my face -
10:32 - 10:34that I had been there a very long time.
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10:37 - 10:41But, I stood up inside a promise.
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10:43 - 10:44"Never again.
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10:46 - 10:48I will not run from me."
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10:53 - 10:56I did not know how to keep that promise.
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10:56 - 10:58To be honest, I'm still learning.
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10:58 - 11:02I had no idea how to bring that promise
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11:02 - 11:05into the lives of others.
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11:06 - 11:09I would learn that
only in the work that we would do -
11:09 - 11:12in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy,
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11:12 - 11:14or ACT, and that was ahead of me.
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11:14 - 11:16But, in those 34 years,
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11:16 - 11:18not a single day has gone by
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11:20 - 11:23where I didn't remember that promise.
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11:24 - 11:27And when you stand here like this,
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11:27 - 11:29the way you know already
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11:29 - 11:32is the wiser place to stand
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11:32 - 11:34with pain and suffering,
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11:34 - 11:35things start happening.
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11:36 - 11:37I can put it into words now
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11:37 - 11:40what the science shows,
what this posture is. -
11:41 - 11:43It's emotional openness.
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11:43 - 11:45We're going to feel
what's there to be felt -
11:45 - 11:48even when it's hard.
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11:48 - 11:50It's being able to look at your thoughts,
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11:50 - 11:51not just from your thoughts.
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11:51 - 11:52So, when you're thinking
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11:52 - 11:54they're not just like this,
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11:54 - 11:55so you can't see anything else,
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11:55 - 11:57you can notice them out there.
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11:57 - 11:59It's connecting with this more spiritual
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11:59 - 12:01part of you and from there
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12:01 - 12:03being able to direct your attention
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12:04 - 12:06flexibly, fluidly, voluntarily
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12:06 - 12:08towards what's there to be focused on.
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12:09 - 12:12And when you see something of importance,
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12:12 - 12:13to be able to move towards it
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12:13 - 12:15with your hands and arms free
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12:15 - 12:17so that you can feel, and do,
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12:17 - 12:19and contribute, and participate.
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12:20 - 12:23That's psychological flexibility.
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12:26 - 12:28And it builds on what that seed is
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12:28 - 12:30that you know because if you put this
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12:30 - 12:35into a word, I think you can see
why this would be the word, -
12:35 - 12:38the single word I would say is, "Love."
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12:38 - 12:40When you stand with yourself
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12:40 - 12:43in a self-compassionate, kind, loving way,
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12:45 - 12:48life opens up and then you can turn
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12:48 - 12:50towards meaning and purpose
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12:50 - 12:53and how you bring love, participation,
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12:53 - 12:55beauty, contribution,
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12:55 - 12:57into the lives of others.
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12:59 - 13:01I didn't see at first that this
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13:02 - 13:04pivot towards pain and suffering
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13:05 - 13:07actually was glued at the hip
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13:07 - 13:10to this pivot towards meaning and purpose.
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13:10 - 13:11I didn't see that at first.
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13:11 - 13:14But I started seeing it in my clients
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13:14 - 13:16as I began to do the ACT work.
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13:16 - 13:18I started seeing it in my own life.
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13:20 - 13:21And just a few years in,
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13:21 - 13:23it hit me very powerfully.
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13:24 - 13:28By then, I'd done a few
randomized trials on ACT -
13:29 - 13:30and I was beginning to do trainings,
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13:30 - 13:34moving around, meeting
with smaller groups of clinicians, -
13:34 - 13:36teaching about the work we're doing.
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13:37 - 13:39And I was doing a workshop
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13:39 - 13:41and I had these waves of anxiety,
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13:41 - 13:43which was totally normal.
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13:43 - 13:45Still today, I will get anxious
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13:45 - 13:47during talks.
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13:48 - 13:50That was fine. I'm open for that.
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13:50 - 13:52Come on. It's cool.
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13:54 - 13:56But then another wave came.
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13:56 - 13:58I suddenly felt as though
I was going to sob -
13:58 - 14:01in front of those clinicians,
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14:02 - 14:05that I was going to weep uncontrollably.
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14:06 - 14:07I said, "What?"
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14:08 - 14:10The moment passed and I did the workshop.
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14:11 - 14:14Didn't think about it again
until the next workshop, -
14:14 - 14:16same exact thing happened.
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14:16 - 14:20And this time I had the presence of mind
to notice I felt very young. -
14:21 - 14:22And I asked myself,
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14:22 - 14:24even as I was doing the workshop,
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14:24 - 14:25"How old are you?"
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14:25 - 14:28And the answer came back, "8 or 9."
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14:29 - 14:32And then, a memory flipped by
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14:32 - 14:35that I hadn't thought of
since it happened, -
14:35 - 14:38when I was 8 or 9.
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14:38 - 14:41I didn't have time to unpack it
in the workshop, -
14:41 - 14:43but that night in the hotel I did.
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14:45 - 14:47I was underneath my bed,
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14:48 - 14:51listening to my parents fight
in the other room. -
14:52 - 14:57My dad had come home drunk and late again.
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14:59 - 15:02And my mother was ripping into him
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15:03 - 15:07about him spending
the meager family funds on his addiction; -
15:07 - 15:10about his inadequacies
as a husband and as a father. -
15:11 - 15:12And he was saying,
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15:12 - 15:16"Shut up! You better shut up or else!"
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15:16 - 15:18and I knew his fists were clenched.
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15:19 - 15:22And then I heard a horrific crash
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15:22 - 15:24and my mother screaming.
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15:26 - 15:28I would find out only later
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15:28 - 15:29it was the coffee table
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15:29 - 15:31going across the living room.
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15:32 - 15:33And I'm thinking,
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15:34 - 15:35"Is there going to be blood?
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15:36 - 15:38Is he hitting her?"
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15:38 - 15:40And then, my little boy mind
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15:40 - 15:43gave me these words very clearly,
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15:44 - 15:46"I'm going to do something."
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15:50 - 15:53And I realized there was nothing
for me to do, -
15:53 - 15:55nothing safe.
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15:56 - 15:58So, I scooted back farther
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15:58 - 16:00and I held myself and cried.
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16:04 - 16:05You get it?
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16:06 - 16:10I'm sitting there,
watching those old bulls fight -
16:10 - 16:12in the psychology department
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16:12 - 16:14and yeah, I'm horrified
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16:15 - 16:17and yeah, I'm feeling anxious,
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16:18 - 16:21but really what I would like to do
is just to cry - -
16:22 - 16:25in a department of psychology?
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16:25 - 16:28(Laughter)
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16:29 - 16:30Really?
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16:32 - 16:35But, I didn't have access to him.
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16:36 - 16:37I didn't have room for him.
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16:39 - 16:42He's why I'm a psychologist,
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16:43 - 16:46but I didn't even know it.
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16:47 - 16:51And I got caught up in the articles,
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16:51 - 16:54in the vita, in the grants,
and the achievement. -
16:54 - 16:55Woo hoo!
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16:57 - 17:01But, I came here because he asked me to.
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17:02 - 17:04To "do something".
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17:05 - 17:08And instead, what I told him
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17:09 - 17:12was tantamount to leading down and saying,
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17:12 - 17:15"Just be quiet. Go away. Shut up,"
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17:17 - 17:21when I ran, and I fought, and I hid.
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17:22 - 17:24It was so unkind and so unloving.
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17:25 - 17:29To who? To me, and the parts of me
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17:30 - 17:34that connect me
even with my life's purpose. -
17:36 - 17:39Because we hurt where we care
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17:40 - 17:42and we care where we hurt.
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17:43 - 17:45These two pivots, these two
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17:45 - 17:48"turning towards" are the same thing.
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17:49 - 17:51When you stand with yourself,
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17:51 - 17:53even when it's hard,
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17:53 - 17:55you're doing a loving thing for yourself
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17:55 - 17:58and out of that then you can afford
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17:58 - 18:01the risk of turning towards
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18:02 - 18:03bringing love into the world,
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18:03 - 18:05beauty into the world, communication,
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18:05 - 18:08contribution into the world.
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18:08 - 18:12And seeing that, I made another promise.
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18:13 - 18:17Never again, I will not push you away,
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18:19 - 18:24nor your message to me about our purpose.
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18:25 - 18:27I'm not going to ask you
to give the workshop, -
18:28 - 18:30or do the [TEDx] talk either,
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18:30 - 18:32(Laughter)
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18:33 - 18:36but I want you here with me
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18:37 - 18:39because you soften me.
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18:40 - 18:44You make sense
of why my life is about this. -
18:47 - 18:49And so, my message to you is
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18:51 - 18:55to look at the science
of psychological flexibility, yeah, -
18:55 - 18:59but look at how it can inform
what you already know, -
19:00 - 19:03which is bringing love to yourself
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19:03 - 19:05even when it's hard
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19:05 - 19:07will help you bring love into the world
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19:08 - 19:12in the way that you want
to bring it into the world. -
19:14 - 19:16And that's important.
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19:17 - 19:18You know it.
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19:18 - 19:21Your crying little 8 year olds in you
know it. -
19:23 - 19:25We all know it.
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19:27 - 19:28Because love isn't everything,
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19:30 - 19:32it's the only thing.
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19:33 - 19:34Thank you.
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19:34 - 19:35I hope I've been useful to you.
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19:35 - 19:37(Applause)
- Title:
- Psychological flexibility: How love turns pain into purpose | Steven Hayes | TEDxUniversityofNevada
- Description:
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What can we do to prosper when facing pain and suffering in our lives? More than a thousand studies suggest that a major part of the answer is learning psychological flexibility. Steven C. Hayes is one of the researchers who first identified that process and put it into action in the form of a popular acceptance and mindfulness method called Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. In this emotional talk, Hayes distills the essence of psychological flexibility down into a few easy to understand sentences. He takes viewers through a harrowing journey into his own panic disorder, to the very moment in his life when he made this life changing choice: I will not run from me. Hayes shows how making that choice allows us to connect with our own deep sense of meaning and purpose, arguing that taking a loving stance to your own pain allows you to bring love and contribution into the world.
Steven C. Hayes is Nevada Foundation Professor at the Department of Psychology at the University of Nevada. An author of 38 books and more than 540 scientific articles, he has shown in his research how language and thought leads to human suffering, and has developed “Acceptance and Commitment Therapy” a powerful therapy method that is useful in a wide variety of areas. His popular book “Get Out of Your Mind and Into Your Life” was featured in Time Magazine among several other major media outlets and for a time was the number one best selling self-help book in the United States. Dr. Hayes has been President of several scientific societies and has received several national awards, such as the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapy.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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- English
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- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 19:40
Bartosz Kleszcz
Idk where to put it, here's the full English transcript, part 1.
Life asks us questions and probably one of the most important questions it asks us is “what are you
going to do about difficult thoughts and feelings?” If you’re feeling ashamed or anxious, life just
asked you a question. If you’re standing here about to give a TED talk and your mind is getting
very chattery, what are you going to do about that? Good question. And the answer to that question
and ones like it say a lot about the trajectories of our lives -- whether or not they’re going to unfold
in a positive way that moves toward, towards prosperity, love, freedom, contribution, or downward
into pathology and despair.
And I’m here to make the argument that you have within you a great answer to that question or at
least the seed of it. But, you also have this arrogant, storytelling, problem solving, analytic,
judgmental mind between your ears that doesn’t have the answer and is constantly tempting you
into taking the wrong direction.
My name is Steve Hayes and for the last 30 years, I and my colleagues have been studying a small
set of psychological processes (fancy words for things people do) called psychological flexibility.
It’s a set of answers to that question. And in more than a thousand studies, we’ve shown that
psychological flexibility predicts are you going to develop a mental health problem – anxiety,
depression, trauma? If you have one it predicts, later on will you have two? It predicts how severe
they are, how chronic they’ll be.
But, not just that, it predicts all kinds of other things that are important to us even though it’s not
psychopathology. Such as, what kind of parent are you going to be? What kind of worker are you
going to be? Can you step up to the behavioral challenges of physical disease? Can you stick to
your exercise program? Everywhere that human minds go, psychological flexibility is relevant.
And what I want to do in this talk is to walk you through the science of psychological flexibility,
because we’ve learned how to change these processes in several hundred studies using Acceptance
and Commitment Therapy or ACT, but not just ACT, related methods that target flexibility we’ve
shown that we can change it and when we change it, those life trajectories that are negative go
positive with outcomes in all the areas that I just mentioned and many more.
Bartosz Kleszcz
Idk where to put it, here's the full English transcript, part 2.
So, I want to walk you through what the elements of psychological flexibility -- what they are. And
I’m going to take you back to a moment in my life 34 years ago where I first turned powerfully in
their direction. Decades ago. Thirty-four years ago at 2 in the morning on a brown and gold shag
carpet with my body almost literally in this posture, and my mind for sure in this posture. I had for
two to three years been spiraling down into the hell of panic disorder. It began in a horrific
department meeting where I was forced to watch full professors fight in a way that only wild
animals and full professors are capable of. And all I wanted to do was to beg them to stop, but
instead I had my first panic attack, and by the time they called on me, I couldn’t even make a sound
come out of my mouth.
And in the shock, and the horror, and embarrassment of that first -- and public -- panic attack, I did
all of the logical, reasonable, sensible, and pathological things your mind tells you to do. I tried to
run from anxiety; I tried to fight with anxiety; and I tried to hide from anxiety. I sat next to the
door. I watched its coming. I argued my way out of it. I took the tranquilizers and I did all those
things, the panic attacks increased in frequency and in intensity. First at work, but then while
traveling, and then in restaurants, and then in movie theaters, and then in elevators, and then on
phone calls, and then in the safety of home, and finally even being awakened at two in the morning
from a dead sleep already in a panic attack.
But, this night on that brown and gold shag carpet, this night, as I watched with anxiety waves, my
body’s sensations -- was different. This night was even more horrifying, but it was somehow
satisfying, because I wasn’t having a panic attack. I was dying of a heart attack. I had all the
evidence for it. I had the weight in the chest. I had the shooting pains down my arm. I was
sweating profusely. My heart was racing and skipping beats wildly. And that same spider voice
that came up and said, “You got to run. You got to fight. You got to hide” from anxiety, was not
telling me, “Make the call. You can’t drive in this condition. You’re dying. Call the emergency
room. Call the ambulance. This is not a joke. Make the call.”
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And yet, minute after minute went by and I didn’t make the call. And I had a sense of leaving my
body and looking back at myself there and I imagined what would happened if I did make that call.
Like a series of scenes, little snippets like in a move trailer like when you go to the theater for the
upcoming film – I could hear the sound of the emergency responders coming up the stairs, the
pounding on the thin hollow door, the ride in the ambulance, the tubes and wires, the concerned
look on the faces of the nurses as I went into the emergency room, and then finally the last little
snippet, the last little scene in this movie trailer, where I suddenly realized what this movie was
going to be about. And I looked at it and I said, “Oh, please, God, not that. Please, please.”
Because that final scene, lying on the gurney in the emergency room, here came a young doctor in
my mind’s eye walking entirely too casually and as he got close to me, I could see there was a smirk
on his face, and I knew what was coming. He got close and he said, “Dr. Hayes, you’re not having
a heart attack,” and then the smirk broadened, “You’re having a panic attack.” And I knew that was
true. This was just another level down of hell.
And a scream came out of my mouth, a weird breathy, strange sounding thing. It sounded just like
this.
And as I bounced off the bottom, another door opened. I don’t know how long it was, but it was a
few minutes later from a rarely visited, but deeply me part of me, the part of me that’s behind your
eyes, a more spiritual part, from my very soul if you want to say it that way, words came out. I’m
pretty sure. I said it out lout to no one at two in the morning. I said, “I don’t know who you are, but
apparently, you can make me hurt. You can make me suffer. I’ll tell you one thing you cannot do.
You can’t make me turn from my own experience. You can’t do it.”
And my then much younger body ached as it stood up, and I could tell from the dried and burning
tracks of tears on my face that I had been there a very long time. But, I stood up inside a promise.
“Never again. I will not run from me.” I did not know how to keep that promise. To be honest, I’m
still learning. I had no idea how to bring that promise into the lives of others. I would learn that
only in the work that we would do in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, or ACT, and that was
ahead of me. But, in those 34 years, not a single day has gone by where I didn’t remember that
promise.
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And when you stand here like this, the way you know already is the wiser place to stand with pain
and suffering, things start happening. I can put it into words now what the science shows, what this
posture is. It’s emotional openness. We’re going to feel what’s there to be felt even when it’s hard.
It’s being able to look at your thoughts, not just from your thoughts. So, when you’re thinking
they’re not just like this, so you can’t see anything else, you can notice them out there.
It’s connecting with this more spiritual part of you and from there being able to direct your attention
-- flexibly, fluidly, voluntarily -- towards what’s there to be focused on. And when you see
something of importance, to be able to move towards it with your hands and arms free so that you
can feel, and do, and contribute, and participate. That’s psychological flexibility. And it builds on
what that seed is that you know because if you put this into a word, I think you can see why this
would be the word, the single word I would say is, “Love.”
When you stand with yourself in a self-compassionate, kind, loving way, life opens up and then you
can turn towards meaning and purpose and how you bring love, participation, beauty, contribution,
into the lives of others.
I didn’t see at first that this pivot towards pain and suffering actually was glued at the hip to this
pivot towards meaning and purpose. I didn’t see that at first. But I started seeing it in my clients as
I began to do the ACT work. I started seeing it in my own life. And just a few years in, it hit me
very powerfully. By then, I’d done a few randomized trials on ACT and I was beginning to do
trainings, moving around meeting with smaller groups of clinicians and teaching about the work
we’re doing. And I was doing a workshop and I had these waves of anxiety, which was totally
normal. Still today, I will get anxious during talks. That was fine. I’m open for that. Come on.
It’s cool.
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But then another wave came. I suddenly felt as though I was going to sob in front of those
clinicians -- that I was going to weep uncontrollably. I said, “What?” The moment passed and I did
the workshop. Didn’t think about it again until the next workshop -- same exact thing happened and
this time I had the presence of mind to notice I felt very young. And I asked myself, even as I was
doing the workshop, “How old are you?” And the answer came back, “8 or 9.” And then, a memory
flipped by that I hadn’t thought of since it happened, when I was 8 or 9. I didn’t have time to
unpack it in the workshop, but that night in the hotel I did.
I was underneath my bed listening to my parents fight in the other room. My dad had come home
drunk and late again. And my mother was ripping into him about him spending the meager family
funds on his addiction; about his inadequacies as a husband and as a father. And he was saying,
“Shut up! You better shut up or else!” and I knew his fists were clenched. And I heard a horrific
crash and my mother screaming. I would find out only later it was the coffee table going across the
living room. And I’m thinking, “Is there going to be blood? Is he hitting her?” And then, my little
boy mind gave me these words very clearly, “I’m going to do something.” And I realized there was
nothing for me to do, nothing safe. So, I scooted back farther and I held myself and cried.
You get it? I’m sitting there watching those old bulls fight in the psychology department and yeah,
I’m horrified and yeah, I’m feeling anxious, but really what I would like to do is just to cry … in a
department of psychology? Really? But, I didn’t have access to him. I didn’t have room for him.
He’s why I’m a psychologist, but I didn’t even know it. And I got caught up in the articles, in the
vita, in the grants, and the achievement. Woo hoo. But, I came here because he asked me to -- to
do something. And instead, what I told him was tantamount to leading down and saying, “Just be
quiet. Go away. Shut up,” when I ran, and I fought, and I hid.
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It was so unkind and so unloving. To who? To me, and the parts of me that connect me even with
my life’s purpose. Because we hurt where we care and we care where we hurt. These two pivots,
these two “turning towards” are the same thing. When you stand with yourself, even when it’s hard,
you’re doing a loving thing for yourself and out of that then you can afford the risk of turning
towards bringing love into the world, beauty into the world, communication, contribution into the
world.
And seeing that, I made another promise. Never again, I will not push you away, nor your message
to me about our purpose. I’m not going to ask you to give the workshop, or do the TED talk either,
but I want you here with me because you soften me. You make sense of why my life is about this.
And so, my message to you is to look at the science of psychological flexibility, yeah, but look at
how it can inform what you already know, which is bringing love to yourself even when it’s hard
will help you bring love into the world in the way that you want to bring it into the world. And
that’s important. You know it. Your crying little 8 year olds in you know it. We all know it.
Because love isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
Thank you. I hope I’ve been useful to you.