It's time to burst the academic bubble | Mariana Cerdeira | TEDxHUBerlin
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0:16 - 0:22Who of you was born between
the 1980s and the early 2000s? -
0:23 - 0:24Right, most of us ...
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0:25 - 0:28So most of us here, including me,
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0:28 - 0:32are part of the generation of millennials,
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0:33 - 0:35or “generation Y.”
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0:36 - 0:42I suspect this “Y” stands for
“'Why' are we so misunderstood?” -
0:44 - 0:46(Laughter)
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0:46 - 0:50A stereotype about the millennials
is that we were told at an early age -
0:50 - 0:53that we could be whatever we wanted to be.
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0:54 - 0:57Contrary to our parents'
and grandparents' generations, -
0:57 - 0:59we millennials were privileged enough
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0:59 - 1:02not to have to struggle
with war, or recession, -
1:02 - 1:05or to have to emigrate
in order to find a job. -
1:06 - 1:09No, life was finally relatively stable,
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1:09 - 1:12so we were raised to be high achievers.
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1:12 - 1:15"The sky is the limit.
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1:15 - 1:17The world is your playground."
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1:19 - 1:20So,
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1:20 - 1:24by the time I was 17 years old,
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1:24 - 1:26I was finishing high school in Brazil,
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1:27 - 1:28my country of origin,
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1:28 - 1:33struggling with the question
many millennial teenagers struggled with: -
1:34 - 1:37“What do I want to do when I grow up?”
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1:37 - 1:42Knowing I would probably not be able
to answer that at such an early age, -
1:42 - 1:47I figured I’d settle for answering
a smaller question instead at that point: -
1:48 - 1:52“What do I want to study
at university next year?” -
1:52 - 1:55Then, once I’m at university,
I'll ask myself what I want to do next, -
1:55 - 1:58then do that again, step by step.
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1:59 - 2:00It sounded like a good plan.
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2:01 - 2:03And have you always known,
since you were little, -
2:03 - 2:05what you wanted to study at university?
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2:06 - 2:07If so, I envy you,
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2:07 - 2:11but my thought process was more like this:
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2:12 - 2:14OK, I like biology in school,
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2:15 - 2:16but to be honest,
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2:16 - 2:20I’ve got no interest
in studying plants or insects, -
2:20 - 2:23and I don’t really want
to become a medical doctor. -
2:24 - 2:27So I thought I’d start
a bachelor's in Biomedical Sciences, -
2:27 - 2:29to study human biology
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2:29 - 2:31That seemed to fit well.
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2:32 - 2:34And soon after I started,
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2:34 - 2:38I saw that my suspicion
from high school was true: -
2:38 - 2:41Science was awesome!
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2:42 - 2:46The human body works in ways
that seem out of this world! -
2:46 - 2:52It’s unbelievable how much goes on
inside one tiny cell in our body. -
2:53 - 2:56So I was really enjoying
the subjects in my bachelor’s, -
2:56 - 2:58and I was getting pretty good grades.
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2:58 - 3:00So I thought: "I must be doing
something right." -
3:01 - 3:04But there was still
something bothering me. -
3:04 - 3:08Now the time had come
to ask myself what I would do next. -
3:08 - 3:13But everyone who I asked what my options
were for after getting the degree -
3:13 - 3:15would tell me the same thing:
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3:16 - 3:18“There are no 'options.'
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3:19 - 3:21There is 'one' option:
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3:22 - 3:25After your bachelor’s, you do a master’s;
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3:25 - 3:28after your master’s, you do a PhD;
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3:28 - 3:34for the ultimate goal is to become
a university professor and researcher.” -
3:37 - 3:41Everyone would tell me that
because that’s all they knew. -
3:41 - 3:44But wait, what do you mean,
“there’s only one option”? -
3:44 - 3:47I’m a millennial; I was told
the sky is the limit. -
3:49 - 3:51Doing a master’s and a PhD
was OK with me. -
3:51 - 3:54I loved science and wanted
to get deeper into it -
3:54 - 3:56and keep doing
some cool things in the lab. -
3:56 - 3:59But the last part about becoming
a professor really concerned me -
4:00 - 4:05because back then I already knew
I didn’t want to do research forever. -
4:06 - 4:08So I did my master’s and my PhD,
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4:08 - 4:10still in love with science,
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4:10 - 4:14but always feeling like the black sheep
in my graduate program, -
4:15 - 4:18the one that doesn’t share
the dream of a professorship, -
4:19 - 4:21the odd one out.
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4:22 - 4:24And so I went on, at first mostly alone,
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4:24 - 4:28almost embarrassed, almost apologetic,
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4:28 - 4:30trying to find the answer
to my new question: -
4:31 - 4:36what kinds of jobs could I have
that don’t involve me doing experiments, -
4:36 - 4:38but are still related to science?
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4:39 - 4:42So I spent years doing my own research,
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4:42 - 4:46having my own little side project
in parallel to my thesis, -
4:46 - 4:49reading and talking to a lot of people.
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4:49 - 4:51I started coming across
more and more colleagues -
4:51 - 4:54who were looking for the answer
to the same question. -
4:54 - 4:56It turns out I wasn’t alone.
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4:57 - 4:59There were a few other
black sheep like me. -
5:00 - 5:04And I found that there are
so many kinds of jobs one could have -
5:04 - 5:06with a science or technology background.
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5:06 - 5:08you can work with business consulting,
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5:08 - 5:10project management, science journalism,
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5:10 - 5:13digital health and science technology,
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5:13 - 5:15editorial of a scientific journal,
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5:15 - 5:16public policy,
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5:16 - 5:18patent protection
and intellectual property, -
5:18 - 5:19public health;
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5:19 - 5:22entrepreneurship,
starting yourown company ... -
5:22 - 5:24Just to name a few.
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5:25 - 5:29I suddenly went from "worried
that there won’t be any options" -
5:29 - 5:33to "overwhelmed with all the
dozens of possibilities." -
5:34 - 5:36And I asked myself,
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5:36 - 5:40"Why is it that not all
graduate students know that?" -
5:40 - 5:44Why did it take me so long
to find out the truth? -
5:45 - 5:51And I realized that it's because
the academic world is a bubble. -
5:52 - 5:55Sometimes it feels like people
who are in that bubble -
5:55 - 5:58don’t have so much contact
with the outside world. -
5:59 - 6:02There’s little space for sunshine
or vacation in that bubble. -
6:02 - 6:05That’s why graduate students look so pale.
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6:06 - 6:10A diet based on instant noodles
and coffee doesn’t help either. -
6:11 - 6:15I know, because I lived
in that bubble for 10 years, -
6:15 - 6:17and I noticed that my lack of access
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6:17 - 6:20to information coming
from outside the bubble -
6:20 - 6:23was due to the academic culture.
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6:26 - 6:29One of the core aspects
of the academic culture -
6:29 - 6:31is that most people still believe
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6:31 - 6:36the main purpose of doing a PhD
is to become a university professor -
6:36 - 6:37and researcher.
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6:37 - 6:42Now, historically, this is true
this used to be the case in the past -
6:42 - 6:45it was like that in my
grandparents’ generation. -
6:45 - 6:49And it’s still true that if you want
to be a professor today, -
6:49 - 6:51you have to do a PhD.
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6:51 - 6:53And a post-doc.
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6:53 - 6:55And a second post-doc.
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6:56 - 6:58And sometimes a third one ...
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6:58 - 7:03But you don’t necessarily have to become
a lifelong academic researcher -
7:03 - 7:05just because you did a master’s and a PhD.
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7:06 - 7:08In fact, most PhDs -
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7:08 - 7:1190 to 99%, depending on the country -
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7:11 - 7:15end up elsewhere, outside academia,
after their studies. -
7:16 - 7:20So, becoming a professor is not
the "classical path" anymore. -
7:20 - 7:23It has become the "alternative path."
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7:24 - 7:28But even though doing something else
is the most common path, -
7:28 - 7:33there is still a culture of discouragement
if you want to leave academia, -
7:33 - 7:37which contributed to making me feel
like a black sheep during my studies. -
7:38 - 7:43I’ve heard academics call those
who leave the academic bubble four things. -
7:45 - 7:46"Time-waster."
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7:47 - 7:49They say by leaving academia
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7:49 - 7:52you’re throwing out of the window
all the time and effort -
7:52 - 7:55you put into learning
science all those years. -
7:56 - 7:59But pursuing a career
unrelated to academia -
7:59 - 8:02does not mean "unrelated to research."
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8:03 - 8:07You’re also called a "traitor."
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8:08 - 8:10My personal favorite.
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8:11 - 8:14"The University invested
so much money in training you, -
8:14 - 8:18and now you’re turning your back
on academic research." -
8:19 - 8:22I mean, we should be forever grateful
to our graduate programs, -
8:22 - 8:27but I don’t remember ever signing
a lifelong contract to stay in research. -
8:29 - 8:33You’re also called a "failed scientist."
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8:34 - 8:36Ouch.
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8:37 - 8:39Yeah, if you’re leaving
the academic bubble, -
8:39 - 8:43it must mean you were not
good enough to make it in it. -
8:45 - 8:48I’ve even heard a professor say,
almost mourning: -
8:49 - 8:51"I once had such a brilliant student
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8:51 - 8:54who later went to work
in the private sector ... -
8:54 - 8:56I don’t know where I went wrong."
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8:57 - 9:01Well, maybe that student left
because he or she wanted to? -
9:01 - 9:03Not because they had to?
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9:05 - 9:07And finally, you're called "greedy."
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9:08 - 9:12Yeah, because the industry
pays better than academia. -
9:13 - 9:17Well, actually the industry
pays reasonable salaries, -
9:17 - 9:20appropriate for highly
educated professionals. -
9:20 - 9:23It’s academia that underpays.
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9:25 - 9:29I personally don’t get it,
why academics get so defensive -
9:29 - 9:32about graduate students
leaving for non-academic jobs. -
9:33 - 9:36There are not enough jobs
in academia anyway! -
9:36 - 9:41The number of fresh PhDs has gone up
tremendously over the years, -
9:41 - 9:45while the number of new faculty positions
has stayed roughly the same. -
9:45 - 9:49The universities right now
just cannot accommodate that many PhDs -
9:49 - 9:51as permanent researchers.
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9:52 - 9:53So, you see,
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9:53 - 9:55if you want to leave academia,
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9:55 - 10:00you’re a greedy, failed,
time-wasting Judas. -
10:01 - 10:04But if you actually want to stay,
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10:04 - 10:06there’s no job for you!
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10:08 - 10:12To solve this academic paradox,
there are a few options. -
10:13 - 10:18One is to limit the amount of students
being admitted into graduate programs, -
10:18 - 10:21to try to control the number
of new PhDs getting a degree, -
10:21 - 10:24but I personally
don't really like the idea -
10:24 - 10:26of restricting access to education.
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10:28 - 10:33A second, obvious way is to create
more researcher positions, -
10:33 - 10:36hire more people as permanent scientists.
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10:37 - 10:41This would already help a lot,
but it wouldn’t be enough. -
10:42 - 10:44So, we really have to face the facts
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10:44 - 10:47and approach the issue
from a different angle. -
10:49 - 10:53Graduate programs have to start
preparing their students -
10:53 - 10:57for tasks they will actually
be doing in the future. -
10:57 - 11:02Companies want to hire PhDs
for their deep knowledge of science -
11:02 - 11:05and their ability to solve
problems and learn fast. -
11:05 - 11:10And students right now are being trained
to become excellent investigators, -
11:10 - 11:12which is great,
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11:12 - 11:15but if most of them will end up
working in the private sector, -
11:15 - 11:19they should also be trained
to become excellent administrators, -
11:19 - 11:21negotiators,
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11:21 - 11:23communicators,
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11:23 - 11:24leaders.
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11:25 - 11:30Graduate programs have to start teaching,
at least as an option, -
11:30 - 11:32courses on business concepts,
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11:32 - 11:34entrepreneurship,
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11:34 - 11:37project management, marketing, finance ...
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11:37 - 11:43It’s time we bring
a bit of the MBA into the PhD. -
11:45 - 11:46On top of that,
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11:46 - 11:50graduate students also need to receive
more career support and guidance. -
11:50 - 11:52Many of them are not even aware
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11:52 - 11:55that their chances of getting
a professorship are minimal. -
11:56 - 11:58Right from the start of their programs,
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11:58 - 12:02they must be constantly
exposed to, not hidden from, -
12:02 - 12:05all their possibilities
beyond the academic bubble, -
12:05 - 12:10so they can make an informed
career decision and prepare for it, -
12:10 - 12:13and not just take anything
that comes their way. -
12:13 - 12:16So they really only go on
to do a post-doc -
12:16 - 12:19if they actively decided for it,
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12:19 - 12:21not because they didn’t know
what else to do -
12:21 - 12:23and turned on the autopilot mode.
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12:26 - 12:31And students should also be more active
in getting career information. -
12:31 - 12:33I know it’s hard ...
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12:33 - 12:37We don’t have time for anything
other than our theses, -
12:37 - 12:38and most of the time
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12:38 - 12:41we just prefer to avoid
thinking about the future altogether. -
12:42 - 12:44But, you know,
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12:44 - 12:46it will come anyway.
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12:46 - 12:49Your university education
is not your whole career; -
12:49 - 12:51it is your background.
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12:52 - 12:56No bachelor’s, master’s
or PhD lasts forever, -
12:56 - 12:59even though it might feel like it
most of the time. -
13:00 - 13:02They are all temporary positions,
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13:02 - 13:06and we’ll soon have to figure
out our next move. -
13:06 - 13:07And you don’t have to do it alone.
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13:07 - 13:11You can team up with colleagues
who are in the same boat. -
13:11 - 13:14That’s how we’ve established
the Career Development Initiative, -
13:14 - 13:17the CDI, here in Berlin,
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13:17 - 13:20which is entirely organized
by students, alumni -
13:20 - 13:24and one professor who acknowledges
the need for a culture change. -
13:24 - 13:26They are still rare, but they exist.
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13:27 - 13:31Together, we use the time
none of us have - -
13:31 - 13:32evenings, weekends -
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13:32 - 13:37to put together events,
training programs and internships -
13:37 - 13:41to help students find jobs
where they feel fulfilled and recognized, -
13:41 - 13:43inside or outside the bubble.
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13:43 - 13:45I’m happy to share with current students
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13:45 - 13:49what I’ve learned
about career options after a PhD, -
13:49 - 13:51so they don’t feel
like black sheep themselves. -
13:54 - 13:57For all of this to work,
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13:57 - 14:00for graduate students
to get more information and training -
14:00 - 14:04to become prepared
for a transition into the job market, -
14:04 - 14:09the professors who supervise them
need to support them. -
14:09 - 14:12If you're a professor
and can’t be a career mentor yourself - -
14:12 - 14:16because, after all,
you’re also in the bubble - -
14:16 - 14:21at least do not discourage
your students from doing this. -
14:21 - 14:24Let them take part in courses
and extracurricular activities -
14:24 - 14:28even if they're not
directly related to research. -
14:28 - 14:32It most likely won’t interfere
with the quality of their theses, -
14:32 - 14:36and it might make a huge
difference for their future. -
14:36 - 14:41Let’s keep in mind that most graduates
will leave for non-academic jobs -
14:41 - 14:44and that it is not a sign of failure.
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14:46 - 14:50And I know that if you’re not
in the academic bubble yourself, -
14:50 - 14:52you might be thinking:
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14:53 - 14:56“OK, so life for graduate
students is hard. -
14:56 - 14:58Cry me a river."
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14:59 - 15:02“It was their own choice
to go down that road.” -
15:03 - 15:05“I’m a lawyer, why should I care?”
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15:06 - 15:08I’ll tell you why you should care.
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15:09 - 15:14Most of innovation,
of ideas that improve society - -
15:14 - 15:17be they cures for diseases,
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15:17 - 15:19or solutions for world hunger,
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15:19 - 15:21or the latest technologies -
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15:21 - 15:23are born in universities.
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15:24 - 15:28And most of the people working on this
are graduate students. -
15:28 - 15:32Sure, professors manage
and supervise everything, -
15:32 - 15:37but the everyday,
hands-on, "dirty work" -
15:37 - 15:39is done by the students.
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15:40 - 15:43If research is like
constructing a skyscraper, -
15:43 - 15:46they are the thousands of bricklayers.
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15:46 - 15:49If it’s a war, they are the army.
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15:50 - 15:52If it’s Game of Thrones,
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15:52 - 15:54they are the white walkers.
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15:55 - 15:57They even look just as pale.
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15:57 - 15:58(Laughter)
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15:58 - 16:03The progress of science and innovation
depends on graduate students. -
16:05 - 16:07So let’s take care of them,
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16:07 - 16:12value them and give them
career guidance and mental support. -
16:12 - 16:16Let’s encourage them
to be the best version of themselves. -
16:16 - 16:18Science is amazing,
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16:18 - 16:23and it can do so much for our lives
if done out of passion and not pressure. -
16:24 - 16:27We need a change in the academic culture.
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16:27 - 16:30First of all, let’s stop thinking:
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16:30 - 16:31"Hmm ... Things are not great,
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16:31 - 16:34but that’s just how it is
and has always been." -
16:34 - 16:37No, after we leave here today,
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16:37 - 16:40let’s not again reproduce
the century-old speech -
16:40 - 16:44that a PhD is a one-way ticket
to "Professorland," -
16:44 - 16:46and let’s start opening our eyes
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16:46 - 16:50to all the things a millennial
with a degree can do - -
16:50 - 16:53if he or she ever gets off that phone.
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16:56 - 17:00Academics should start reaching out more
to people outside the bubble -
17:00 - 17:03and be supportive of their colleagues.
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17:03 - 17:06Graduate programs have
to listen more to their students -
17:06 - 17:09and adapt to their needs.
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17:10 - 17:14Let’s burst that bubble and bring
academia to the twenty-first century. -
17:16 - 17:17Most of all,
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17:17 - 17:20it’s essential that we become
aware of these issues -
17:20 - 17:23and talk about them,
like we’re doing here. -
17:24 - 17:27Let’s keep a critical eye
on the system we live in, -
17:27 - 17:30and yes, change it,
if it needs improvement. -
17:32 - 17:33After all ...
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17:34 - 17:37that’s what university taught us to do.
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17:39 - 17:40(Applause)
- Title:
- It's time to burst the academic bubble | Mariana Cerdeira | TEDxHUBerlin
- Description:
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In her talk, Dr. Mariana Cerdeira unveils what goes on behind the scenes of scientific research and addresses the need for a culture change in the academic world.
Dr. Mariana Cerdeira holds a PhD in Medical Neurosciences from the Charité and Humboldt University and is a consultant in biopharma strategy at Catenion, in Berlin. Since the beginning of her PhD, she has been involved in projects to improve career support for graduate students, promote the public outreach of science, and raise awareness about issues prevalent in academia.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 17:45
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