Question 12 - Brett Hudson to the Associate Minister of State Services (Open Government)

remember, when I stand up, he sits
down.

remember, when I stand up, he sits
down.

remember, when I stand up, he sits
down. And

remember, when I stand up, he sits
down. And as he sits

remember, when I stand up, he sits
down. And as he sits down,

remember, when I stand up, he sits
down. And as he sits down, he shuts

down. And as he sits down, he shuts
his

down. And as he sits down, he shuts
his mouth.

down. And as he sits down, he shuts
his mouth. Question

down. And as he sits down, he shuts
his mouth. Question No. 12.

My

My question

My question

My question is to the

My question is to the Associate

My question is to the Associate
Minister of State

My question is to the Associate
Minister of State

Minister of State Services (Open

Minister of State Services (Open

Does she stand by her statements
about

Does she stand by her statements
about open

Does she stand by her statements
about open

about open and transparent

.

I'm

I'm happy

I'm happy

I'm happy to see you too!

I'm happy to see you too! Order!

I'm happy to see you too! Order!

Mr

Mr Speaker, on

Mr Speaker, on

Mr Speaker, on behalf of the

Mr Speaker, on behalf of the

Mr Speaker, on behalf of the
associate

Mr Speaker, on behalf of the
associate Minister for

Mr Speaker, on behalf of the
associate Minister for

associate Minister for State
Services with the

associate Minister for State
Services with the responsibility

Services with the responsibility of
open

Services with the responsibility of
open government,

Services with the responsibility of
open government, yes, in the

Services with the responsibility of
open government, yes, in the context

open government, yes, in the context
in which

open government, yes, in the context
in which

open government, yes, in the context
in which they

open government, yes, in the context
in which they were given.

open government, yes, in the context
in which they were given. Does

open government, yes, in the context
in which they were given. Does she

open government, yes, in the context
in which they were given. Does she

in which they were given. Does she
agree that

in which they were given. Does she
agree that

in which they were given. Does she
agree that written

in which they were given. Does she
agree that written questions 1486,

in which they were given. Does she
agree that written questions 1486,

agree that written questions 1486,
1484,

agree that written questions 1486,
1484, 1477 asked by Clare

agree that written questions 1486,
1484, 1477 asked by Clare

agree that written questions 1486,
1484, 1477 asked by Clare Curran in

agree that written questions 1486,
1484, 1477 asked by Clare Curran in

1484, 1477 asked by Clare Curran in
2016

1484, 1477 asked by Clare Curran in
2016 would

1484, 1477 asked by Clare Curran in
2016 would warrant full answers

1484, 1477 asked by Clare Curran in
2016 would warrant full answers

2016 would warrant full answers
under

2016 would warrant full answers
under the auspices of

2016 would warrant full answers
under the auspices of

2016 would warrant full answers
under the auspices of how she would

2016 would warrant full answers
under the auspices of how she would

under the auspices of how she would
advocate for

under the auspices of how she would
advocate for

under the auspices of how she would
advocate for an open

under the auspices of how she would
advocate for an open

under the auspices of how she would
advocate for an open and

advocate for an open and transparent

advocate for an open and transparent

advocate for an open and transparent

order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Mr
Speaker,

order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Mr
Speaker, I

order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Mr
Speaker, I

order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Mr
Speaker, I know the

order, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Mr
Speaker, I know the

Speaker, I know the ministers is a
bright

Speaker, I know the ministers is a
bright

Speaker, I know the ministers is a
bright man, but to ask a

Speaker, I know the ministers is a
bright man, but to ask a

Speaker, I know the ministers is a
bright man, but to ask a minister to

Speaker, I know the ministers is a
bright man, but to ask a minister to

bright man, but to ask a minister to
recall the answers to

bright man, but to ask a minister to
recall the answers to

recall the answers to a question
like

recall the answers to a question
like

recall the answers to a question
like that show how

recall the answers to a question

recall the answers to a question

recall the answers to a question

insincere and nonsensical the
attitude

insincere and nonsensical the
attitude of

insincere and nonsensical the
attitude of

insincere and nonsensical the
attitude of that member is

insincere and nonsensical the
attitude of that member is

attitude of that member is Speaking
to the point

attitude of that member is Speaking
to the point

attitude of that member is Speaking
to the point of order. No,

attitude of that member is Speaking
to the point of order. No,

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one.

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one.

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one. The

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one. The

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one. The Hon

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.

to the point of order. No, there
isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.

isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.
The

isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.
The Hon Winston

isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.
The Hon Winston

isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.
The Hon Winston Peters often

isn't one. The Hon Chris Hipkins.
The Hon Winston Peters often asks

The Hon Winston Peters often asks
exactly that question

The Hon Winston Peters often asks
exactly that question

exactly that question of ministers
when he was in

exactly that question of ministers
when he was in

when he was in opposition in
respect...

when he was in opposition in
respect...

when he was in opposition in
respect... The member will

when he was in opposition in
respect... The member will

respect... The member will resume
his seat and

respect... The member will resume
his seat and let

respect... The member will resume
his seat and let the

respect... The member will resume
his seat and let the minister

his seat and let the minister answer
it. Mr

his seat and let the minister answer
it. Mr

his seat and let the minister answer
it. Mr Speaker,

his seat and let the minister answer
it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall

it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall
exactly

it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall
exactly what those questions

it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall
exactly what those questions

it. Mr Speaker, I can't recall
exactly what those questions were.

exactly what those questions were.

exactly what those questions were.

exactly what those questions were.

be an advocate for open and
transparent

be an advocate for open and
transparent government in

be an advocate for open and
transparent government in

transparent government in work and
in action

transparent government in work and
in action

transparent government in work and
in action when she

transparent government in work and
in action when she

transparent government in work and
in action when she refuses to

transparent government in work and
in action when she refuses to

in action when she refuses to answer
questions

in action when she refuses to answer
questions similar

in action when she refuses to answer
questions similar to

in action when she refuses to answer
questions similar to

in action when she refuses to answer
questions similar to those

questions similar to those which
Clare Curran

questions similar to those which
Clare Curran

questions similar to those which
Clare Curran asked

questions similar to those which
Clare Curran asked in

questions similar to those which
Clare Curran asked in 2016 and which

Clare Curran asked in 2016 and which
were

Clare Curran asked in 2016 and which
were answered in

Clare Curran asked in 2016 and which
were answered in full

Clare Curran asked in 2016 and which
were answered in full by the then

Clare Curran asked in 2016 and which
were answered in full by the then

were answered in full by the then

were answered in full by the then

not the same. That concludes...
Point

not the same. That concludes...
Point of order.

not the same. That concludes...
Point of order.

not the same. That concludes...
Point of order. A

not the same. That concludes...
Point of order. A point

not the same. That concludes...
Point of order. A point

Point of order. A point of order,
the Rt

Point of order. A point of order,
the Rt

Point of order. A point of order,
the Rt Hon David Carter. Mr

Point of order. A point of order,
the Rt Hon David Carter. Mr

the Rt Hon David Carter. Mr Speaker,
I want to

the Rt Hon David Carter. Mr Speaker,
I want to

the Rt Hon David Carter. Mr Speaker,
I want to ask you to

the Rt Hon David Carter. Mr Speaker,
I want to ask you to

I want to ask you to give serious
consideration

I want to ask you to give serious
consideration

I want to ask you to give serious
consideration to a considered

I want to ask you to give serious
consideration to a considered

consideration to a considered ruling
to points that

consideration to a considered ruling
to points that

consideration to a considered ruling
to points that were

consideration to a considered ruling
to points that were raised at the

consideration to a considered ruling
to points that were raised at the

to points that were raised at the
start of question

to points that were raised at the
start of question

to points that were raised at the
start of question time

start of question time around
retrospectively raising

start of question time around
retrospectively raising

start of question time around
retrospectively raising points of

start of question time around
retrospectively raising points of

retrospectively raising points of
order. I did not make

retrospectively raising points of
order. I did not make

retrospectively raising points of
order. I did not make that point at

retrospectively raising points of
order. I did not make that point at

order. I did not make that point at
the time because

order. I did not make that point at
the time because

order. I did not make that point at
the time because I considered your

order. I did not make that point at
the time because I considered your

the time because I considered your
patience was getting to

the time because I considered your
patience was getting to

patience was getting to a stage
where I may

patience was getting to a stage
where I may

patience was getting to a stage
where I may have been dangerous

patience was getting to a stage
where I may have been dangerous

where I may have been dangerous to
do so.

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But as

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But as

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But as you and

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But as you and I

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But as you and I know, when

where I may have been dangerous to
do so. But as you and I know, when

do so. But as you and I know, when
we go

do so. But as you and I know, when
we go back

do so. But as you and I know, when
we go back and look

do so. But as you and I know, when
we go back and look

we go back and look at Hansard
subsequent

we go back and look at Hansard
subsequent

we go back and look at Hansard
subsequent to question time,

we go back and look at Hansard
subsequent to question time,

subsequent to question time, we
often

subsequent to question time, we
often see

subsequent to question time, we
often see Peters in

subsequent to question time, we
often see Peters in

subsequent to question time, we
often see Peters in that

subsequent to question time, we
often see Peters in that Hansard

often see Peters in that Hansard
which we wish

often see Peters in that Hansard
which we wish

often see Peters in that Hansard
which we wish to question and raise

often see Peters in that Hansard
which we wish to question and raise

which we wish to question and raise
with the Speaker.

which we wish to question and raise
with the Speaker. You

which we wish to question and raise
with the Speaker. You and I

which we wish to question and raise
with the Speaker. You and I both

which we wish to question and raise
with the Speaker. You and I both sat

which we wish to question and raise
with the Speaker. You and I both sat

with the Speaker. You and I both sat
on the

with the Speaker. You and I both sat
on the

with the Speaker. You and I both sat
on the Standing Orders Committee

with the Speaker. You and I both sat
on the Standing Orders Committee

on the Standing Orders Committee and
we're both

on the Standing Orders Committee and
we're both

on the Standing Orders Committee and
we're both partly responsible for

on the Standing Orders Committee and
we're both partly responsible for

we're both partly responsible for
the

we're both partly responsible for
the inclusion

we're both partly responsible for
the inclusion of

we're both partly responsible for
the inclusion of

we're both partly responsible for
the inclusion of Speaker's

we're both partly responsible for
the inclusion of Speaker's

we're both partly responsible for
the inclusion of Speaker's ruling

the inclusion of Speaker's ruling

the inclusion of Speaker's ruling

the inclusion of Speaker's ruling

issues retrospectively and you will
remember

issues retrospectively and you will
remember without doubt

issues retrospectively and you will
remember without doubt

issues retrospectively and you will
remember without doubt the

issues retrospectively and you will
remember without doubt the history

remember without doubt the history
of

remember without doubt the history
of why

remember without doubt the history
of why that particular

remember without doubt the history
of why that particular point

remember without doubt the history
of why that particular point was put

of why that particular point was put
into

of why that particular point was put
into the report

of why that particular point was put
into the report

of why that particular point was put
into the report of Standing

of why that particular point was put
into the report of Standing

of why that particular point was put
into the report of Standing Orders

into the report of Standing Orders
and consequently

into the report of Standing Orders
and consequently

into the report of Standing Orders
and consequently in

and consequently in to Speaker's
rulings. I

and consequently in to Speaker's
rulings. I

and consequently in to Speaker's
rulings. I think it is a

and consequently in to Speaker's
rulings. I think it is a

rulings. I think it is a very
dangerous precedent that

rulings. I think it is a very
dangerous precedent that

rulings. I think it is a very
dangerous precedent that could

dangerous precedent that could be
potentially

dangerous precedent that could be
potentially

dangerous precedent that could be
potentially made by

dangerous precedent that could be
potentially made by

dangerous precedent that could be
potentially made by your initial

dangerous precedent that could be
potentially made by your initial

potentially made by your initial
ruling today that unless

potentially made by your initial
ruling today that unless

potentially made by your initial
ruling today that unless matters

ruling today that unless matters are
raised instantly,

ruling today that unless matters are
raised instantly,

ruling today that unless matters are
raised instantly, they

raised instantly, they cannot be
raised at all.

raised instantly, they cannot be
raised at all. And

raised instantly, they cannot be
raised at all. And I ask you

raised instantly, they cannot be
raised at all. And I ask you whether

raised at all. And I ask you whether
you would consider

raised at all. And I ask you whether
you would consider

raised at all. And I ask you whether
you would consider the

you would consider the points that I
think

you would consider the points that I
think

you would consider the points that I
think were

you would consider the points that I
think were raised

you would consider the points that I
think were raised

think were raised considerately by
members at the

think were raised considerately by
members at the

think were raised considerately by
members at the start of question

think were raised considerately by
members at the start of question

members at the start of question
time, particularly by

members at the start of question
time, particularly by Opposition

time, particularly by Opposition
members, have

time, particularly by Opposition
members, have

time, particularly by Opposition
members, have a look at

time, particularly by Opposition
members, have a look at

members, have a look at the Hansard
again,

members, have a look at the Hansard
again,

members, have a look at the Hansard
again, and perhaps come

members, have a look at the Hansard
again, and perhaps come

again, and perhaps come back to the
House

again, and perhaps come back to the
House

again, and perhaps come back to the
House with

again, and perhaps come back to the
House with a

again, and perhaps come back to the
House with a considered ruling

again, and perhaps come back to the
House with a considered ruling

House with a considered ruling and
the

House with a considered ruling and
the

House with a considered ruling and
the ability for us

House with a considered ruling and
the ability for us

House with a considered ruling and
the ability for us to raise

House with a considered ruling and
the ability for us to raise

the ability for us to raise
retrospectively

the ability for us to raise
retrospectively points of order

the ability for us to raise
retrospectively points of order

retrospectively points of order
which we think

retrospectively points of order
which we think

which we think are worthwhile
raising. There

which we think are worthwhile
raising. There

which we think are worthwhile
raising. There was

which we think are worthwhile
raising. There was no discussion

which we think are worthwhile
raising. There was no discussion

raising. There was no discussion
that I recall

raising. There was no discussion
that I recall

raising. There was no discussion
that I recall during

raising. There was no discussion
that I recall during the

that I recall during the
deliberations of

that I recall during the
deliberations of

that I recall during the
deliberations of the

that I recall during the
deliberations of the Standing Orders

deliberations of the Standing Orders
Committee

deliberations of the Standing Orders
Committee about a stage

deliberations of the Standing Orders
Committee about a stage

deliberations of the Standing Orders
Committee about a stage by

Committee about a stage by which
such concerns

Committee about a stage by which
such concerns

Committee about a stage by which
such concerns were raised privately

Committee about a stage by which
such concerns were raised privately

such concerns were raised privately
with the

such concerns were raised privately
with the

such concerns were raised privately
with the Speaker in

such concerns were raised privately
with the Speaker in

such concerns were raised privately
with the Speaker in his office.

such concerns were raised privately
with the Speaker in his office.

with the Speaker in his office.
Members

with the Speaker in his office.
Members of Parliament,

with the Speaker in his office.
Members of Parliament,

Members of Parliament, opposition
and

Members of Parliament, opposition
such

Members of Parliament, opposition
and Government have rights

Members of Parliament, opposition
and Government have rights

Members of Parliament, opposition
and Government have rights to

and Government have rights to raise
points of order and

and Government have rights to raise
points of order and

and Government have rights to raise
points of order and I ask

and Government have rights to raise
points of order and I ask

and Government have rights to raise
points of order and I ask you to

and Government have rights to raise
points of order and I ask you to

points of order and I ask you to
reconsider

points of order and I ask you to
reconsider very carefully

points of order and I ask you to
reconsider very carefully

points of order and I ask you to
reconsider very carefully your

reconsider very carefully your
original initial ruling

reconsider very carefully your
original initial ruling

reconsider very carefully your
original initial ruling at the start

reconsider very carefully your
original initial ruling at the start

original initial ruling at the start
of question time today.

original initial ruling at the start
of question time today. No,

original initial ruling at the start
of question time today. No, no, I

original initial ruling at the start
of question time today. No, no, I

of question time today. No, no, I
don't want

of question time today. No, no, I
don't want

of question time today. No, no, I
don't want any assistance with this.

of question time today. No, no, I
don't want any assistance with this.

don't want any assistance with this.
I want

don't want any assistance with this.
I want

don't want any assistance with this.
I want to thank

don't want any assistance with this.
I want to thank

don't want any assistance with this.
I want to thank my

I want to thank my Rt Hon
predecessor for

I want to thank my Rt Hon
predecessor for

I want to thank my Rt Hon
predecessor for his intervention.

I want to thank my Rt Hon
predecessor for his intervention. I

predecessor for his intervention. I
will

predecessor for his intervention. I
will

predecessor for his intervention. I
will seek further advice

predecessor for his intervention. I
will seek further advice

will seek further advice on this.
Clearly

will seek further advice on this.
Clearly

will seek further advice on this.
Clearly we

will seek further advice on this.
Clearly we

will seek further advice on this.
Clearly we have

Clearly we have different memories
of the

Clearly we have different memories
of the

Clearly we have different memories
of the reasoning

Clearly we have different memories
of the reasoning behind this

Clearly we have different memories
of the reasoning behind this

Clearly we have different memories
of the reasoning behind this and

of the reasoning behind this and the
methodology to

of the reasoning behind this and the
methodology to

of the reasoning behind this and the
methodology to be

of the reasoning behind this and the
methodology to be used

of the reasoning behind this and the

of the reasoning behind this and the

it's shown that his memory is better
than

it's shown that his memory is better
than mine, which

it's shown that his memory is better
than mine, which

it's shown that his memory is better
than mine, which I wouldn't

it's shown that his memory is better
than mine, which I wouldn't

than mine, which I wouldn't be at
all

than mine, which I wouldn't be at
all

than mine, which I wouldn't be at
all surprised by, then

than mine, which I wouldn't be at
all surprised by, then I

than mine, which I wouldn't be at
all surprised by, then I will come

all surprised by, then I will come
back

all surprised by, then I will come
back to the House.

all surprised by, then I will come
back to the House.

all surprised by, then I will come
back to the House. We come

all surprised by, then I will come
back to the House. We come

back to the House. We come now to
the general debate.

back to the House. We come now to
the general debate.

back to the House. We come now to
the general debate. .

back to the House. We come now to
the general debate. . I

back to the House. We come now to
the general debate. . I

the general debate. . I so move...
The

the general debate. . I so move...
The

the general debate. . I so move...
The Hon Grant

the general debate. . I so move...
The Hon Grant

the general debate. . I so move...
The Hon Grant Robertson.

the general debate. . I so move...
The Hon Grant Robertson.

The Hon Grant Robertson.
..yesterday was a great day

The Hon Grant Robertson.
..yesterday was a great day

..yesterday was a great day for
fairness

..yesterday was a great day for
fairness

..yesterday was a great day for
fairness and for the

..yesterday was a great day for
fairness and for the

..yesterday was a great day for
fairness and for the future

fairness and for the future of New
Zealand

fairness and for the future of New
Zealand

fairness and for the future of New
Zealand because

fairness and for the future of New
Zealand because 27

fairness and for the future of New
Zealand because 27

fairness and for the future of New
Zealand because 27 years after user

Zealand because 27 years after user
pays

Zealand because 27 years after user
pays entered tertiary education, the

Zealand because 27 years after user
pays entered tertiary education, the

pays entered tertiary education, the
tide has turned

pays entered tertiary education, the
tide has turned

pays entered tertiary education, the
tide has turned back

pays entered tertiary education, the
tide has turned back and I want

pays entered tertiary education, the
tide has turned back and I want to

tide has turned back and I want to
thank the

tide has turned back and I want to
thank the honourable

thank the honourable member, Chris
Hipkins,

thank the honourable member, Chris
Hipkins,

thank the honourable member, Chris
Hipkins, for leading

thank the honourable member, Chris
Hipkins, for leading

thank the honourable member, Chris
Hipkins, for leading that charge,

thank the honourable member, Chris
Hipkins, for leading that charge,

Hipkins, for leading that charge, Mr
Speaker. In

Hipkins, for leading that charge, Mr
Speaker. In

Hipkins, for leading that charge, Mr
Speaker. In the

Hipkins, for leading that charge, Mr
Speaker. In the great traditions

Hipkins, for leading that charge, Mr
Speaker. In the great traditions

Speaker. In the great traditions of
the first Labour

Speaker. In the great traditions of
the first Labour