A new way to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
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0:01 - 0:03Four hundred parts per million:
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0:03 - 0:08that's the approximate concentration
of CO2 in the air today. -
0:08 - 0:10What does this even mean?
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0:10 - 0:14For every 400 molecules of carbon dioxide,
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0:14 - 0:18we have another million molecules
of oxygen and nitrogen. -
0:18 - 0:22In this room today,
there are about 1,800 of us. -
0:22 - 0:26Imagine just one of us
was wearing a green shirt, -
0:26 - 0:29and you're asked to find
that single person. -
0:29 - 0:33That's the challenge we're facing
when capturing CO2 -
0:33 - 0:35directly out of the air.
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0:35 - 0:37Sounds pretty easy,
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0:37 - 0:39pulling CO2 out of the air.
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0:39 - 0:41It's actually really difficult.
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0:41 - 0:43But I'll tell you what is easy:
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0:43 - 0:46avoiding CO2 emissions to begin with.
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0:47 - 0:48But we're not doing that.
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0:49 - 0:53So now what we have to think
about is going back; -
0:53 - 0:56pulling CO2 back out of the air.
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0:57 - 1:01Even though it's difficult,
it's actually possible to do this. -
1:01 - 1:05And I'm going to share with you today
where this technology is at -
1:05 - 1:07and where it just may be heading
in the near future. -
1:08 - 1:13Now, the earth naturally
removes CO2 from the air -
1:13 - 1:18by seawater, soils, plants and even rocks.
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1:18 - 1:22And although engineers and scientists
are doing the invaluable work -
1:22 - 1:26to accelerate these natural processes,
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1:26 - 1:28it simply won't be enough.
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1:28 - 1:30The good news is, we have more.
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1:30 - 1:34Thanks to human ingenuity,
we have the technology today -
1:34 - 1:37to remove CO2 out of the air
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1:37 - 1:40using a chemically manufactured approach.
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1:40 - 1:43I like to think of this
as a synthetic forest. -
1:43 - 1:48There are two basic approaches
to growing or building such a forest. -
1:49 - 1:54One is using CO2-grabbing chemicals
dissolved in water. -
1:54 - 1:57Another is using solid materials
with CO2-grabbing chemicals. -
1:58 - 2:01No matter which approach you choose,
they basically look the same. -
2:02 - 2:06So what I'm showing you here
is what a system might look like -
2:06 - 2:07to do just this.
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2:07 - 2:09This is called an air contactor.
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2:09 - 2:12You can see it has to be
really, really wide -
2:12 - 2:14in order to have
a high enough surface area -
2:14 - 2:17to process all of the air required,
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2:17 - 2:18because remember,
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2:18 - 2:22we're trying to capture
just 400 molecules out of a million. -
2:22 - 2:25Using the liquid-based
approach to do this, -
2:25 - 2:28you take this high surface area
packing material, -
2:28 - 2:30you fill the contactor
with the packing material, -
2:31 - 2:35you use pumps to distribute liquid
across the packing material, -
2:35 - 2:38and you can use fans,
as you can see in the front, -
2:38 - 2:41to bubble the air through the liquid.
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2:41 - 2:45The CO2 in the air
is separated [by] the liquid -
2:45 - 2:52by reacting with the really strong-binding
CO2 molecules in solution. -
2:52 - 2:54And in order to capture a lot of CO2,
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2:54 - 2:57you have to make this contactor deeper.
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2:57 - 2:59But there's an optimization,
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2:59 - 3:01because the deeper
you make that contactor, -
3:01 - 3:05the more energy you're spending
on bubbling all that air through. -
3:05 - 3:09So air contactors for direct air capture
have this unique characteristic design, -
3:09 - 3:14where they have this huge surface area,
but a relatively thin thickness. -
3:14 - 3:17And now once you've captured the CO2,
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3:18 - 3:21you have to be able to recycle
that material that you used to capture it, -
3:21 - 3:23over and over again.
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3:23 - 3:26The scale of carbon capture is so enormous
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3:26 - 3:28that the capture process
must be sustainable, -
3:28 - 3:30and you can't use a material just once.
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3:31 - 3:35And so recycling the material requires
an enormous amount of heat, -
3:35 - 3:38because think about it:
CO2 is so dilute in the air, -
3:38 - 3:41that material is binding it really strong,
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3:41 - 3:45and so you need a lot of heat
in order to recycle the material. -
3:45 - 3:48And to recycle the material
with that heat, -
3:48 - 3:54what happens is that concentrated CO2
that you got from dilute CO2 in the air -
3:54 - 3:56is now released,
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3:56 - 3:58and you produce high-purity CO2.
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3:58 - 4:00And that's really important,
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4:00 - 4:04because high-purity CO2
is easier to liquify, -
4:04 - 4:08easier to transport, whether
it's in a pipeline or a truck, -
4:08 - 4:10or even easier to use directly,
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4:10 - 4:12say, as a fuel or a chemical.
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4:13 - 4:17So I want to talk a little bit more
about that energy. -
4:17 - 4:21The heat required to regenerate
or recycle these materials -
4:21 - 4:28absolutely dictates the energy
and the subsequent cost of doing this. -
4:29 - 4:31So I ask a question:
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4:31 - 4:34How much energy do you think it takes
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4:34 - 4:37to remove a million tons
of CO2 from the air -
4:37 - 4:39in a given year?
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4:39 - 4:41The answer is: a power plant.
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4:41 - 4:45It takes a power plant
to capture CO2 directly from the air. -
4:45 - 4:47Depending on which approach you choose,
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4:47 - 4:51the power plant could be on the order
of 300 to 500 megawatts. -
4:52 - 4:56And you have to be careful about
what kind of power plant you choose. -
4:56 - 4:57If you choose coal,
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4:57 - 5:01you end up emitting more CO2
than you capture. -
5:02 - 5:03Now let's talk about costs.
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5:03 - 5:07An energy-intensive version
of this technology -
5:07 - 5:10could cost you as much
as $1,000 a ton -
5:10 - 5:11just to capture it.
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5:12 - 5:14Let's translate that.
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5:14 - 5:18If you were to take that very expensive
CO2 and convert it to a liquid fuel, -
5:18 - 5:21that comes out to 50 dollars a gallon.
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5:21 - 5:24That's way too expensive;
it's not feasible. -
5:24 - 5:26So how could we bring these costs down?
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5:26 - 5:29That's, in part, the work that I do.
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5:30 - 5:32There's a company today,
a commercial-scale company, -
5:33 - 5:35that can do this as low
as 600 dollars a ton. -
5:35 - 5:39There are several other companies
that are developing technologies -
5:39 - 5:41that can do this even cheaper than that.
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5:42 - 5:43I'm going to talk to you a little bit
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5:43 - 5:45about a few of these different companies.
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5:45 - 5:47One is called Carbon Engineering.
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5:47 - 5:49They're based out of Canada.
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5:49 - 5:51They use a liquid-based
approach for separation -
5:51 - 5:56combined with burning
super-abundant, cheap natural gas -
5:56 - 5:58to supply the heat required.
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5:58 - 6:00They have a clever approach
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6:00 - 6:04that allows them to co-capture
the CO2 from the air -
6:04 - 6:08and the CO2 that they generate
from burning the natural gas. -
6:08 - 6:10And so by doing this,
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6:10 - 6:13they offset excess pollution
and they reduce costs. -
6:14 - 6:18Switzerland-based Climeworks
and US-based Global Thermostat -
6:18 - 6:20use a different approach.
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6:20 - 6:22They use solid materials for capture.
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6:22 - 6:25Climeworks uses heat from the earth,
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6:25 - 6:27or geothermal,
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6:27 - 6:30or even excess steam
from other industrial processes -
6:30 - 6:32to cut down on pollution and costs.
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6:33 - 6:35Global Thermostat
takes a different approach. -
6:35 - 6:38They focus on the heat required
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6:38 - 6:42and the speed in which it moves
through the material -
6:42 - 6:46so that they're able to release
and produce that CO2 -
6:46 - 6:48at a really fast rate,
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6:48 - 6:51which allows them to have
a more compact design -
6:51 - 6:53and overall cheaper costs.
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6:55 - 6:57And there's more still.
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6:57 - 7:02A synthetic forest has a significant
advantage over a real forest: size. -
7:03 - 7:07This next image that I'm showing you
is a map of the Amazon rainforest. -
7:07 - 7:13The Amazon is capable of capturing
1.6 billion tons of CO2 each year. -
7:13 - 7:16This is the equivalent
of roughly 25 percent -
7:16 - 7:19of our annual emissions in the US.
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7:19 - 7:22The land area required
for a synthetic forest -
7:22 - 7:24or a manufactured direct air capture plant
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7:24 - 7:26to capture the same
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7:26 - 7:28is 500 times smaller.
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7:29 - 7:32In addition, for a synthetic forest,
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7:32 - 7:35you don't have to build it on arable land,
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7:35 - 7:39so there's no competition
with farmland or food, -
7:39 - 7:44and there's also no reason
to have to cut down any real trees -
7:44 - 7:46to do this.
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7:47 - 7:48I want to step back,
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7:48 - 7:52and I want to bring up the concept
of negative emissions again. -
7:52 - 7:56Negative emissions require
that the CO2 separated -
7:56 - 8:00be permanently removed
from the atmosphere forever, -
8:00 - 8:03which means putting it back underground,
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8:03 - 8:06where it came from in the first place.
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8:06 - 8:09But let's face it, nobody
gets paid to do that today -- -
8:09 - 8:10at least not enough.
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8:11 - 8:14So the companies that are developing
these technologies -
8:15 - 8:17are actually interested in taking the CO2
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8:17 - 8:20and making something useful
out of it, a marketable product. -
8:20 - 8:24It could be liquid fuels, plastics
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8:24 - 8:26or even synthetic gravel.
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8:26 - 8:29And don't get me wrong --
these carbon markets are great. -
8:31 - 8:33But I also don't want you
to be disillusioned. -
8:33 - 8:37These are not large enough
to solve our climate crisis, -
8:37 - 8:41and so what we need to do
is we need to actually think about -
8:41 - 8:42what it could take.
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8:42 - 8:46One thing I'll absolutely say
is positive about the carbon markets -
8:46 - 8:51is that they allow for new
capture plants to be built, -
8:51 - 8:53and with every capture plant built,
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8:53 - 8:54we learn more.
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8:54 - 8:56And when we learn more,
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8:56 - 8:59we have an opportunity
to bring costs down. -
9:00 - 9:03But we also need to be willing to invest
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9:03 - 9:05as a global society.
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9:07 - 9:10We could have all of the clever thinking
and technology in the world, -
9:10 - 9:12but it's not going to be enough
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9:12 - 9:16in order for this technology
to have a significant impact on climate. -
9:16 - 9:19We really need regulation,
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9:19 - 9:20we need subsidies,
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9:20 - 9:22taxes on carbon.
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9:22 - 9:27There are a few of us that would
absolutely be willing to pay more, -
9:27 - 9:30but what will be required
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9:30 - 9:32is for carbon-neutral,
carbon-negative paths -
9:32 - 9:35to be affordable for
the majority of society -
9:35 - 9:37in order to impact climate.
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9:37 - 9:40In addition to those kinds of investments,
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9:40 - 9:44we also need investments
in research and development. -
9:44 - 9:45So what might that look like?
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9:46 - 9:52In 1966, the US invested about
a half a percent of gross domestic product -
9:52 - 9:54in the Apollo program.
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9:55 - 9:57It got people safely to the moon
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9:57 - 9:59and back to the earth.
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9:59 - 10:03Half a percent of GDP today
is about 100 billion dollars. -
10:04 - 10:06So knowing that direct air capture
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10:06 - 10:09is one front in our fight
against climate change, -
10:10 - 10:13imagine that we could invest
20 percent, 20 billion dollars. -
10:14 - 10:17Further, let's imagine
that we could get the costs down -
10:17 - 10:18to a 100 dollars a ton.
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10:19 - 10:23That's going to be hard,
but it's part of what makes my job fun. -
10:24 - 10:25And so what does that look like,
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10:25 - 10:2820 billion dollars,100 dollars a ton?
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10:28 - 10:31That requires us to build
200 synthetic forests, -
10:31 - 10:37each capable of capturing
a million tons of CO2 per year. -
10:37 - 10:41That adds up to about five percent
of US annual emissions. -
10:41 - 10:43It doesn't sound like much.
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10:43 - 10:45Turns out, it's actually significant.
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10:45 - 10:49If you look at the emissions
associated with long-haul trucking -
10:49 - 10:51and commercial aircraft,
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10:51 - 10:53they add up to about five percent.
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10:53 - 10:57Our dependence on liquid fuels
makes these emissions -
10:57 - 11:00really difficult to avoid.
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11:00 - 11:05So this investment
could absolutely be significant. -
11:05 - 11:09Now, what would it take
in terms of land area to do this, -
11:09 - 11:10200 plants?
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11:10 - 11:15It turns out that they would take up
about half the land area of Vancouver. -
11:15 - 11:17That's if they were fueled by natural gas.
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11:17 - 11:22But remember the downside
of natural gas -- it also emits CO2. -
11:22 - 11:24So if you use natural gas
to do direct air capture, -
11:24 - 11:28you only end up capturing
about a third of what's intended, -
11:28 - 11:31unless you have that
clever approach of co-capture -
11:31 - 11:32that Carbon Engineering does.
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11:33 - 11:35And so if we had an alternative approach
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11:35 - 11:38and used wind or solar to do this,
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11:38 - 11:42the land area would be
about 15 times larger, -
11:42 - 11:44looking at the state of New Jersey now.
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11:44 - 11:48One of the things that I think about
in my work and my research -
11:48 - 11:52is optimizing and figuring out
where we should put these plants -
11:52 - 11:55and think about
the local resources available -- -
11:55 - 11:58whether it's land, water,
cheap and clean electricity -- -
11:58 - 12:01because, for instance,
you can use clean electricity -
12:01 - 12:03to split water to produce hydrogen,
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12:03 - 12:07which is an excellent, carbon-free
replacement for natural gas, -
12:07 - 12:09to supply the heat required.
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12:10 - 12:14But I want us to reflect a little bit
again on negative emissions. -
12:14 - 12:18Negative emissions should not be
considered a silver bullet, -
12:18 - 12:20but they may help us
if we continue to stall -
12:21 - 12:24at cutting down on CO2
pollution worldwide. -
12:24 - 12:27But that's also why we have to be careful.
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12:27 - 12:30This approach is so alluring
that it can even be risky, -
12:30 - 12:35as some may cling onto it as some kind
of total solution to our climate crisis. -
12:36 - 12:41It may tempt people to continue
to burn fossil fuels 24 hours a day, -
12:41 - 12:44365 days a year.
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12:44 - 12:47I argue that we should not
see negative emissions -
12:47 - 12:49as a replacement for stopping pollution,
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12:49 - 12:55but rather, as an addition to an existing
portfolio that includes everything, -
12:55 - 12:56from increased energy efficiency
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12:56 - 12:58to low-energy carbon
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12:58 - 13:00to improved farming --
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13:00 - 13:05will all collectively get us on a path
to net-zero emissions one day. -
13:06 - 13:08A little bit of self-reflection:
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13:08 - 13:11my husband is an emergency physician.
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13:12 - 13:15And I find myself amazed
by the lifesaving work -
13:15 - 13:19that he and his colleagues
do each and every day. -
13:19 - 13:23Yet when I talk to them
about my work on carbon capture, -
13:23 - 13:25I find that they're equally amazed,
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13:26 - 13:31and that's because combatting
climate change by capturing carbon -
13:31 - 13:33isn't just about saving a polar bear
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13:33 - 13:34or a glacier.
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13:34 - 13:36It's about saving human lives.
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13:38 - 13:43A synthetic forest may not ever be
as pretty as a real one, -
13:43 - 13:47but it could just enable us
to preserve not only the Amazon, -
13:47 - 13:48but all of the people
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13:48 - 13:50that we love and cherish,
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13:50 - 13:55as well as all of our future generations
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13:55 - 13:57and modern civilization.
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13:57 - 13:58Thank you.
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13:58 - 14:02(Applause)
- Title:
- A new way to remove CO2 from the atmosphere
- Speaker:
- Jennifer Wilcox
- Description:
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Our planet has a carbon problem -- if we don't start removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, we'll grow hotter, faster. Chemical engineer Jennifer Wilcox previews some amazing technology to scrub carbon from the air, using chemical reactions that capture and reuse CO2 in much the same way trees do ... but at a vast scale. This detailed talk reviews both the promise and the pitfalls.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 14:15
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