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I was recently traveling
in the Highlands of New Guinea
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and I was talking with a man
who had three wives,
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and I asked him,
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"How many wives would you like to have?"
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There was this long pause,
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and I thought to myself,
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"Is he going to say five?
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Is going to say 10?
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Is he going to say 25?"
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And he leaned towards me
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and he whispered, "None."
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(Laughter)
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86 percent of human societies permit
a man to have several wives:
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polygeny.
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But in the vast majority
of these cultures,
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only about five or 10 percent of men
actually do have several wives.
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Having several partners
can be a toothache.
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In fact, co-wives can
fight with each other,
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sometimes they can even poison
each others' children.
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You've got to have a lot of cows,
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a lot of goats,
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a lot of money,
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a lot of land,
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in order to build a harem.
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We are a pair-bonding species.
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97 percent of mammals do not
pair up to rear their young;
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human beings do.
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I'm not suggesting that were not --
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that we're necessarily sexually
faithful to our partners.
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I've looked at adultery in 42 cultures,
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I [actually] understand
some the genetics of it
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and some of the brain circuitry of it.
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It's very common around the world,
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but we are build to love.
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How is technology changing love?
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I'm going to say,
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almost not at all.
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I study the brain.
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I and my colleagues have put
over 100 people into a brain scanner --
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people who had just
fallen happily in love,
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people who had just been
rejected in love
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and people who are in love long-term.
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And it is possible
to remain "in love" long-term.
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And I've long ago maintained
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that we've evolved three distinctly
different brain systems
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for mating and reproduction.
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Sex drive,
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feelings of intense romantic love
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and feelings of deep cosmic
attachment to a life-long partner.
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And together,
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these three brain systems --
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with many other parts of the brain --
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orchestrate our sexual, our romantic
and our family lives.
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But they lie way below the cortex,
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way below the limbic system
where we feel our emotions,
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generate our emotions.
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They lie in the most primitive
parts of the brain linked with energy,
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focus,
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craving,
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motivation,
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wanting
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and drive.
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In this case,
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the drive to win life's greatest prize:
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a mating partner.
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They evolved over 4.4 million years ago
among our first ancestors,
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and they're not going to change
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if you sweep left of right on Tinder.
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Audience: Yes!
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(Laughter)
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(Applause)
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There's no question that technology
is changing the way we court:
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emailing, texting,
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emojis to expressing your emotions,
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sexting,
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"liking" a photograph,
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selfies,
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we're seeing new rules
and taboos for how to court.
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But, you know --
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is this actually
dramatically changing love?
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What about the late 1940s,
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when the automobile became very popular
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and we suddenly had rolling bedrooms?
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(Laughter)
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How about the introduction
the of birth control pill?
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Unchained from the great
threat of pregnancy and social ruin,
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women could finally express
their primitive and primal sexuality.
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Even dating sites are not changing love.
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I'm chief scientific
advisor for Match.com,
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I've been it for 11 years.
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I keep telling them --
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and they agree with me --
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that these are not dating sites,
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they are introducing sites.
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When you sit down in a bar,
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in a coffee house,
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on a park bench,
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your ancient brain snaps into action
like a sleeping cat awakened
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and you smile
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and laugh
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and listen
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and parade the way our ancestors
did 100,000 years ago.
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(Laughter)
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We can give you various people --
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all the dating sites can --
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but the only real algorithm
is your own human brain.
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Technology is not going to change that.
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Technology is also not going to change
who you choose to love.
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I study the biology of personality,
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and I've come to believe
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that we've evolved four very broad
styles of thinking and behaving,
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linked with the dopamine,
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seratonin,
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testosterone and estrogen systems.
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So I created a questionnaire
directly from brain science
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to measure the degree
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to which you express the traits --
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the constellation to traits --
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linked with each
of these four brain systems.
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I then put that questionnaire
on various match dating sites
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in 40 countries,
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14 million or more people
have now taken the questionnaire,
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and I've been able to watch
who's naturally drawn to whom.
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And as it turns out,
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those who were very expressive
of the dopamine system --
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they tend to be curious, creative,
spontaneous, energetic,
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I would imagine there's an awful lot
of people like that in this room --
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they're drawn to people like themselves.
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Curious creative people need
people like themselves.
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People who are very expressive
of the seratonin system
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tend to be traditional, conventional,
they follow the rules,
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they respect authority,
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the tend to be religious --
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religiousity is in the seratonin system --
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and traditional people
go for traditional people.
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In that way,
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similarity attracts.
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In the other two cases,
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opposites attract.
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People very expressive
of the testosterone system
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tend to be analytical,
logical, direct, decisive,
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and they go for their opposite:
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they go for somebody who's high estrogen,
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somebody who's got
very good verbal skills,
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and people skills,
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who's very intuitive
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and who's very nurturing
and emotionally expressive.
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We have natural patterns of mate choice.
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Modern technology is not going
to change who we choose to love.
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But technology is producing
one modern trend
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that I find particularly important.
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It's associated with the concept
of paradox of choice.
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Millions of years,
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we lived in little hunting
and gathering groups.
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We didn't have the opportunity to choose
between 1,000 people on a dating site.
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In fact, I've been studying this recently
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and I actually think there's some sort
of sweet spot in the brain,
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and I don't know what it is,
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but there's apparently,
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from reading a lot of the data,
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we can embrace about five
to nine alternatives,
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and after that,
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we get into what scientists call
"cognitive overload,"
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and you don't choose any.
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So I've come to think that due
to this cognitive overload,
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we're ushering in a new
form of courtship that I call,
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"slow love."
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I arrived at this during
my work with Match.com.
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Every year for the last six years,
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we've done a study called
"Singles in America."
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We don't poll the Match population,
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we poll the American population.
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We use 5,000 plus people,
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a representative sample of Americans
based on the US census.
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We've got data now on over 30,000 people
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and every single year,
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I see some of the same patterns.
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Every single year when I ask the question,
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over 50 percent of people
who have had a one-night stand --
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not necessarily last year
but in their lives --
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50 percent have had
a friends with benefits
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during the course of their lives,
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and over 50 percent have lived
with a person long-term
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before marrying.
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Americans think that this is reckless.
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I had doubted that for a long time,
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the patterns are too strong,
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there's got to be some
Darwinian explanation --
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not that many people are crazy --
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and so I stumbled then on a statistic
that really came home to me.
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It was a very interesting academic article
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in which I found that 67 percent
of singles in America today
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who are living long-term with somebody,
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have not yet married
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because they are terrified of divorce.
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They're terrified of the social,
legal, emotional,
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economic consequences of divorce.
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So I came to realize that I don't think
that this is recklessness,
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I think that it's caution.
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Today's singles want to know every
single thing about a partner
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before they wed.
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You learn a lot between the sheets:
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not only about how somebody makes love,
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but whether they're kind,
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about whether they can listen,
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and at age,
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whether they've got a sense of humor.
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(Laughter)
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And in an age where we
have too many choices,
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and we have very little fear
of pregnancy and disease,
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and we've got no feeling of shame
for sex before marriage,
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I think people are taking
their time to love.
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And actually what's happening,
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what we're seeing is a real expansion
of the pre-commitment stage
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before you tie the knot.
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Where marriage used to be
the beginning of a relationship,
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now it's the finale.
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But the human brain --
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(Laughter)
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The human brain always triumphs,
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and indeed in the United States today,
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86 percent of Americans
will marry by age 49,
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and even in cultures around the world
where they're not marrying as often,
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they are settling down eventually
with a long-term partner.
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So it began to occur to me,
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during this long extension
of the pre-commitment stage,
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if you can get rid of bad relationships
before you marry,
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maybe we're going to see
more happy marriages.
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So I did a study of 1100
married people in America --
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not on Match.com, of course --
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and I asked them a lot of questions,
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but one of the questions was,
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"Would you re-marry the person
you're currently married to?"
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And 81 percent said, "yes."
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In fact, the greatest change
in modern romance and family life
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is not technology --
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it's not even slow love --
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it's actually women piling into the job
market in cultures around the world.
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For millions of years,
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our ancestors lived in little
hunting and gathering groups.
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Women commuted to work
to gather their fruits and vegetables.
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They came home with 60 to 80
percent of the evening meal.
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The double income family was the rule.
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And women were regarded as just
as economically,
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socially
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and sexually powerful as men.
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Then the environment changed
some 10,000 years ago,
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we began to settle down on the farm,
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and both men and women --
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they became obliged, really --
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to marry the right person,
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from the right background,
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in the right religion
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and from the right kin and social
and political connections.
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Mens jobs became more important:
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they have to move the rocks,
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fell the trees,
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plow the land.
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They brought the produce off
to local markets
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and came home with
the equivalent of money.
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And along with this we see
the rise of a host of beliefs.
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The belief of virginity at marriage,
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arragned marriages --
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strictly arranged marriages --
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the belief that the man
is the head of the household,
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that the wife's place is in the home,
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and most important:
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honor thy husband
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and til death do us part.
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These are gone.
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They are going,
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and in many places,
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they are gone.
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We are right now in a marriage revolution.
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We are shedding 10,000 years
of our farming tradition
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and moving forward towards egalitarian
relationships between the sexes;
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something that I regard as highly
compatible with the ancient human spirit.
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I'm not a Pollyanna;
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there's a great deal to cry about.
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I studied divorce in 80 cultures,
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I studied, as I say, adultery in many --
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there's a whole pile of problems.
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As William Butler Yates,
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the poet once said,
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"Love is the crooked thing."
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I would add,
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"Nobody gets out alive."
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(Laughter)
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We all have problems.
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But in fact,
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I think the poet Randall Jerrell
really sums it up best,
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he said,
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"The dark uneasy world of family life,
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where the greatest can fail
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and the humblest succeed."
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But I will leave you with this:
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Love and attachment will prevail,
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technology cannot change it.
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And I will conclude by saying
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that any understanding
of human relationships
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must take into account one the most
powerful determinants of human behavior:
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the unquenchable,
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adaptable,
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and primordial human drive to love.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Kelly Stoetzel: Thank you
so much for that, Helen.
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As you know, there's
another speaker here with us
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that works in the same field.
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She comes at it
from a different perspective.
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Esther Perel is a psychotherapist
who works with couples.
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You study data,
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Esther studied the stories
the couples tell her
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when they come to her for help.
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Let's have her join us on the stage.
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Esther?
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(Applause)
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So Esther,
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when you were watching Helen's talk,
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was there any part of it
that sort of resonated with you
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through the lens of your own work
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that you'd like the comment on?
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EP: So it's interesting because
on the one hand,
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the need for love
is ubiquitous and universal,
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but the way we love,
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the meaning we make out of it,
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the rules that govern our relationships,
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I think are changing fundamentally.
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We come from a model
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that until now was primarily regulated
around duty and obligation
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and the needs for the collective
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and loyalty.
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And we have shifted it
to a model of free choice
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and individual rights,
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and self-fulfillment and happiness.
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And so that was the first thing I thought:
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is that the need doesn't change,
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but the context and the way we regulate
these relationships changes a lot.
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On the paradox of choice --
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on the one hand we relish the novelty
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and the playfulness I think,
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to be able to have so many options.
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And at the same time,
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as you talk about this cognitive overload,
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I see many, many people who ...
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who dread the uncertainty and self-doubt
that comes with this matter of choice,
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creative a case of "FOMO,"
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and then leading us --
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FOMO, fear of missed opportunity,
or fear of missing out --
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it's like, "How do I know
I have found the one?
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The right one?"
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So we've created what I call this thing
of "Stable ambiguity."
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Stable ambiguity is when
you are too afraid to be alone,
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but also not really willing
to engage in intimacy-building.
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It's a set of tactics that kind of prolong
the uncertainty of a relationship
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but also the uncertainty of the breakup.
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So here on the Internet
you have three major ones.
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One is icing and simmering,
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which are great stalling tactics
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that offer a kind of holding pattern
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that emphasize the undefined
nature of a relationship,
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but at the same time give you enough
of a comforting consistency
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and enough freedom
of the undefined boundaries.
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(Laugther)
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Yeah?
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And then comes ghosting.
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And ghosting is basically,
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you know, you disappear from
this matter of texts on the spot
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and you don't have to deal with the pain
that you inflict on another
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because you're making it invisible
even to yourself.
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(Laughter)
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Yeah?
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So I was thinking --
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these words came up for me
as I was listening to you,
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like how a vocabulary
creates also a reality,
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and at the same time,
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that's my question to you.
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Do you think when the context changes,
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it still means that the nature
of love remains the same?
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You study the brain and I study peoples'
relationships and stories,
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so I think it's everything you say, plus.
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But I don't always know
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the degree to which a changing context --
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does it at some point begin to change,
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if the meaning changes,
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does it change the need,
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or is the need clear
of the entire context?
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Helen: Wow.
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(Laughter)
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(Applause)
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Well, I've got three points here, right?
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Well first of all to your first one:
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there's no question that we've changed.
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That we now want a personal love
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and that for thousands of years
we had to marry the right person
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from the right background
and the right connection.
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And in fact,
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in my studies of 5,000 people every year,
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I ask them, "What are you looking for?"
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And every single year of 97 percent
say --
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EP: And this grows.
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HF: The basic thing is
over 97 percent of people
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want somebody that respects them,
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somebody that they
can trust and confide in,
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somebody that makes them laugh,
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somebody who makes enough time for them
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and somebody who they find
physically attractive.
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That never changes.
Brian Greene
The subtitle starting at 16:53 was corrected on 11/21/16.
"right kin connection" was changed to "right kin connection"