Does money make you mean?
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0:01 - 0:03I want you to, for a moment,
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0:03 - 0:07think about playing a game of Monopoly,
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0:07 - 0:09except in this game, that combination
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0:09 - 0:12of skill, talent and luck
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0:12 - 0:15that help earn you success in games, as in life,
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0:15 - 0:16has been rendered irrelevant,
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0:16 - 0:19because this game's been rigged,
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0:19 - 0:21and you've got the upper hand.
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0:21 - 0:22You've got more money,
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0:22 - 0:25more opportunities to move around the board,
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0:25 - 0:27and more access to resources.
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0:27 - 0:29And as you think about that experience,
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0:29 - 0:31I want you to ask yourself,
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0:31 - 0:33how might that experience of being
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0:33 - 0:36a privileged player in a rigged game
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0:36 - 0:39change the way that you think about yourself
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0:39 - 0:43and regard that other player?
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0:43 - 0:46So we ran a study on the U.C. Berkeley campus
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0:46 - 0:48to look at exactly that question.
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0:48 - 0:50We brought in more than 100 pairs
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0:50 - 0:53of strangers into the lab,
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0:53 - 0:54and with the flip of a coin
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0:54 - 0:56randomly assigned one of the two
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0:56 - 0:59to be a rich player in a rigged game.
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0:59 - 1:01They got two times as much money.
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1:01 - 1:03When they passed Go,
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1:03 - 1:05they collected twice the salary,
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1:05 - 1:07and they got to roll both dice instead of one,
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1:07 - 1:09so they got to move around the board a lot more.
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1:09 - 1:12(Laughter)
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1:12 - 1:14And over the course of 15 minutes,
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1:14 - 1:17we watched through hidden
cameras what happened. -
1:17 - 1:19And what I want to do today, for the first time,
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1:19 - 1:21is show you a little bit of what we saw.
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1:21 - 1:23You're going to have to pardon the sound quality,
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1:23 - 1:26in some cases, because again,
these were hidden cameras. -
1:26 - 1:28So we've provided subtitles.
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1:28 - 1:29Rich Player: How many 500s did you have?
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1:29 - 1:30Poor Player: Just one.
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1:30 - 1:32Rich Player: Are you serious.
Poor Player: Yeah. -
1:32 - 1:33Rich Player: I have three. (Laughs)
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1:33 - 1:35I don't know why they gave me so much.
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1:35 - 1:37Paul Piff: Okay, so it was quickly apparent to players
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1:37 - 1:38that something was up.
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1:38 - 1:41One person clearly has a lot more money
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1:41 - 1:43than the other person, and yet,
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1:43 - 1:45as the game unfolded,
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1:45 - 1:47we saw very notable differences
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1:47 - 1:49and dramatic differences begin to emerge
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1:49 - 1:51between the two players.
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1:51 - 1:53The rich player
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1:53 - 1:56started to move around the board louder,
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1:56 - 1:57literally smacking the board with their piece
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1:57 - 2:00as he went around.
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2:00 - 2:03We were more likely to see signs of dominance
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2:03 - 2:05and nonverbal signs,
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2:05 - 2:07displays of power
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2:07 - 2:11and celebration among the rich players.
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2:11 - 2:14We had a bowl of pretzels
positioned off to the side. -
2:14 - 2:16It's on the bottom right corner there.
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2:16 - 2:19That allowed us to watch
participants' consummatory behavior. -
2:19 - 2:24So we're just tracking how
many pretzels participants eat. -
2:24 - 2:26Rich Player: Are those pretzels a trick?
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2:26 - 2:27Poor Player: I don't know.
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2:27 - 2:31PP: Okay, so no surprises, people are onto us.
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2:31 - 2:32They wonder what that bowl of pretzels
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2:32 - 2:34is doing there in the first place.
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2:34 - 2:36One even asks, like you just saw,
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2:36 - 2:39is that bowl of pretzels there as a trick?
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2:39 - 2:42And yet, despite that, the power of the situation
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2:42 - 2:44seems to inevitably dominate,
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2:44 - 2:48and those rich players start to eat more pretzels.
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2:52 - 2:54Rich Player: I love pretzels.
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2:54 - 2:56(Laughter)
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2:58 - 3:00PP: And as the game went on,
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3:00 - 3:02one of the really interesting and dramatic patterns
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3:02 - 3:06that we observed begin to emerge
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3:06 - 3:07was that the rich players actually
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3:07 - 3:11started to become ruder toward the other person,
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3:11 - 3:13less and less sensitive to the plight
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3:13 - 3:14of those poor, poor players,
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3:14 - 3:17and more and more demonstrative
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3:17 - 3:19of their material success,
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3:19 - 3:22more likely to showcase how well they're doing.
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3:24 - 3:28Rich Player: I have money for everything.
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3:28 - 3:29Poor Player: How much is that?
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3:29 - 3:33Rich Player: You owe me 24 dollars.
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3:33 - 3:36You're going to lose all your money soon.
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3:36 - 3:38I'll buy it. I have so much money.
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3:38 - 3:40I have so much money, it takes me forever.
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3:40 - 3:42Rich Player 2: I'm going to buy out this whole board.
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3:42 - 3:44Rich Player 3: You're going
to run out of money soon. -
3:44 - 3:47I'm pretty much untouchable at this point.
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3:47 - 3:49PP: Okay, and here's what I think
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3:49 - 3:51was really, really interesting,
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3:51 - 3:54is that at the end of the 15 minutes,
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3:54 - 3:58we asked the players to talk about
their experience during the game. -
3:58 - 4:01And when the rich players talked about
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4:01 - 4:02why they had inevitably won
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4:02 - 4:04in this rigged game of Monopoly --
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4:04 - 4:09(Laughter) —
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4:09 - 4:13they talked about what they'd done
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4:13 - 4:16to buy those different properties
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4:16 - 4:18and earn their success in the game,
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4:18 - 4:21and they became far less attuned
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4:21 - 4:24to all those different features of the situation,
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4:24 - 4:26including that flip of a coin
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4:26 - 4:29that had randomly gotten them into
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4:29 - 4:32that privileged position in the first place.
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4:32 - 4:34And that's a really, really incredible insight
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4:34 - 4:40into how the mind makes sense of advantage.
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4:40 - 4:42Now this game of Monopoly can be used
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4:42 - 4:45as a metaphor for understanding society
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4:45 - 4:48and its hierarchical structure, wherein some people
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4:48 - 4:51have a lot of wealth and a lot of status,
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4:51 - 4:52and a lot of people don't.
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4:52 - 4:55They have a lot less wealth and a lot less status
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4:55 - 4:58and a lot less access to valued resources.
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4:58 - 5:01And what my colleagues and I for
the last seven years have been doing -
5:01 - 5:05is studying the effects of these kinds of hierarchies.
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5:05 - 5:09What we've been finding across dozens of studies
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5:09 - 5:12and thousands of participants across this country
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5:12 - 5:17is that as a person's levels of wealth increase,
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5:17 - 5:23their feelings of compassion and empathy go down,
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5:23 - 5:27and their feelings of entitlement, of deservingness,
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5:27 - 5:31and their ideology of self-interest increases.
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5:31 - 5:33In surveys, we found that it's actually
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5:33 - 5:35wealthier individuals who are more likely
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5:35 - 5:38to moralize greed being good,
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5:38 - 5:40and that the pursuit of self-interest
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5:40 - 5:43is favorable and moral.
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5:43 - 5:45Now what I want to do today is talk about
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5:45 - 5:49some of the implications
of this ideology self-interest, -
5:49 - 5:52talk about why we should
care about those implications, -
5:52 - 5:55and end with what might be done.
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5:55 - 5:58Some of the first studies that we ran in this area
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5:58 - 5:59looked at helping behavior,
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5:59 - 6:01something social psychologists call
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6:01 - 6:03pro-social behavior.
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6:03 - 6:06And we were really interested in who's more likely
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6:06 - 6:08to offer help to another person,
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6:08 - 6:11someone who's rich or someone who's poor.
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6:11 - 6:16In one of the studies, we bring in rich and poor
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6:16 - 6:18members of the community into the lab
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6:18 - 6:22and give each of them the equivalent of 10 dollars.
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6:22 - 6:23We told the participants
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6:23 - 6:26that they could keep these 10 dollars for themselves,
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6:26 - 6:28or they could share a portion of it,
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6:28 - 6:30if they wanted to, with a stranger
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6:30 - 6:31who is totally anonymous.
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6:31 - 6:34They'll never meet that stranger and
the stranger will never meet them. -
6:34 - 6:37And we just monitor how much people give.
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6:37 - 6:40Individuals who made 25,000 sometimes
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6:40 - 6:42under 15,000 dollars a year,
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6:42 - 6:44gave 44 percent more of their money
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6:44 - 6:45to the stranger
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6:45 - 6:48than did individuals making 150,000
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6:48 - 6:51or 200,000 dollars a year.
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6:51 - 6:54We've had people play games
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6:54 - 6:56to see who's more or less likely to cheat
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6:56 - 6:59to increase their chances of winning a prize.
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6:59 - 7:01In one of the games, we actually rigged a computer
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7:01 - 7:04so that die rolls over a certain score
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7:04 - 7:05were impossible.
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7:05 - 7:08You couldn't get above 12 in this game,
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7:08 - 7:11and yet, the richer you were,
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7:11 - 7:13the more likely you were to cheat in this game
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7:13 - 7:17to earn credits toward a $50 cash prize,
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7:17 - 7:21sometimes by three to four times as much.
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7:21 - 7:23We ran another study where we looked at whether
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7:23 - 7:26people would be inclined to take candy
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7:26 - 7:29from a jar of candy that we explicitly identified
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7:29 - 7:31as being reserved for children --
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7:31 - 7:34(Laughter) —
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7:34 - 7:36participating -- I'm not kidding.
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7:36 - 7:39I know it sounds like I'm making a joke.
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7:39 - 7:41We explicitly told participants
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7:41 - 7:43this jar of candy's for children participating
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7:43 - 7:46in a developmental lab nearby.
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7:46 - 7:48They're in studies. This is for them.
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7:48 - 7:51And we just monitored how
much candy participants took. -
7:51 - 7:53Participants who felt rich
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7:53 - 7:54took two times as much candy
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7:54 - 7:57as participants who felt poor.
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7:57 - 8:00We've even studied cars,
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8:00 - 8:02not just any cars,
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8:02 - 8:05but whether drivers of different kinds of cars
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8:05 - 8:08are more or less inclined to break the law.
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8:08 - 8:11In one of these studies, we looked at
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8:11 - 8:15whether drivers would stop for a pedestrian
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8:15 - 8:18that we had posed waiting to cross at a crosswalk.
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8:18 - 8:20Now in California, as you all know,
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8:20 - 8:22because I'm sure we all do this,
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8:22 - 8:26it's the law to stop for a pedestrian
who's waiting to cross. -
8:26 - 8:28So here's an example of how we did it.
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8:28 - 8:30That's our confederate off to the left
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8:30 - 8:32posing as a pedestrian.
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8:32 - 8:36He approaches as the red truck successfully stops.
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8:36 - 8:38In typical California fashion, it's overtaken
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8:38 - 8:41by the bus who almost runs our pedestrian over.
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8:41 - 8:42(Laughter)
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8:42 - 8:44Now here's an example of a more expensive car,
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8:44 - 8:46a Prius, driving through,
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8:46 - 8:50and a BMW doing the same.
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8:51 - 8:54So we did this for hundreds of vehicles
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8:54 - 8:56on several days,
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8:56 - 8:59just tracking who stops and who doesn't.
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9:00 - 9:03What we found was that as the expensiveness
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9:03 - 9:07of a car increased,
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9:07 - 9:09the driver's tendencies to break the law
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9:09 - 9:10increased as well.
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9:10 - 9:13None of the cars, none of the cars
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9:13 - 9:16in our least expensive car category
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9:16 - 9:18broke the law.
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9:18 - 9:20Close to 50 percent of the cars
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9:20 - 9:22in our most expensive vehicle category
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9:22 - 9:25broke the law.
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9:25 - 9:27We've run other studies finding that
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9:27 - 9:31wealthier individuals are more
likely to lie in negotiations, -
9:31 - 9:33to endorse unethical behavior at work
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9:33 - 9:35like stealing cash from the cash register,
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9:35 - 9:41taking bribes, lying to customers.
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9:41 - 9:42Now I don't mean to suggest
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9:42 - 9:44that it's only wealthy people
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9:44 - 9:46who show these patterns of behavior.
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9:46 - 9:48Not at all. In fact, I think that we all,
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9:48 - 9:51in our day-to-day, minute-by-minute lives,
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9:51 - 9:54struggle with these competing motivations
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9:54 - 9:58of when, or if, to put our own interests
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9:58 - 10:00above the interests of other people.
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10:00 - 10:02And that's understandable because
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10:02 - 10:05the American dream is an idea
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10:05 - 10:08in which we all have an equal opportunity
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10:08 - 10:10to succeed and prosper,
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10:10 - 10:13as long as we apply ourselves and work hard,
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10:13 - 10:15and a piece of that means that sometimes,
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10:15 - 10:18you need to put your own interests
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10:18 - 10:22above the interests and well-being
of other people around you. -
10:22 - 10:24But what we're finding is that,
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10:24 - 10:26the wealthier you are, the more likely you are
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10:26 - 10:29to pursue a vision of personal success,
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10:29 - 10:31of achievement and accomplishment,
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10:31 - 10:35to the detriment of others around you.
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10:35 - 10:38Here I've plotted for you the mean household income
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10:38 - 10:41received by each fifth and top
five percent of the population -
10:41 - 10:43over the last 20 years.
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10:43 - 10:46In 1993, the differences between the different
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10:46 - 10:49quintiles of the population, in terms of income,
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10:49 - 10:52are fairly egregious.
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10:52 - 10:54It's not difficult to discern that there are differences.
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10:54 - 10:57But over the last 20 years, that significant difference
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10:57 - 10:59has become a grand canyon of sorts
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10:59 - 11:02between those at the top and everyone else.
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11:02 - 11:06In fact, the top 20 percent of our population
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11:06 - 11:09own close to 90 percent of the
total wealth in this country. -
11:09 - 11:11We're at unprecedented levels
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11:11 - 11:14of economic inequality.
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11:16 - 11:18What that means is that wealth is not only becoming
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11:18 - 11:22increasingly concentrated in the hands
of a select group of individuals, -
11:22 - 11:25but the American dream is becoming
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11:25 - 11:27increasingly unattainable
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11:27 - 11:30for an increasing majority of us.
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11:30 - 11:32And if it's the case, as we've been finding,
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11:32 - 11:34that the wealthier you are,
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11:34 - 11:37the more entitled you feel to that wealth,
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11:37 - 11:40and the more likely you are
to prioritize your own interests -
11:40 - 11:42above the interests of other people,
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11:42 - 11:45and be willing to do things to serve that self-interest,
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11:45 - 11:47well then there's no reason to think
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11:47 - 11:49that those patterns will change.
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11:49 - 11:51In fact, there's every reason to think
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11:51 - 11:52that they'll only get worse,
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11:52 - 11:55and that's what it would look like
if things just stayed the same, -
11:55 - 12:00at the same linear rate, over the next 20 years.
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12:00 - 12:03Now, inequality, economic inequality,
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12:03 - 12:05is something we should all be concerned about,
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12:05 - 12:07and not just because of those at the bottom
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12:07 - 12:09of the social hierarchy,
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12:09 - 12:11but because individuals and groups
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12:11 - 12:16with lots of economic inequality do worse,
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12:16 - 12:19not just the people at the bottom, everyone.
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12:19 - 12:21There's a lot of really compelling research
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12:21 - 12:24coming out from top labs all over the world
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12:24 - 12:27showcasing the range of things
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12:27 - 12:28that are undermined
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12:28 - 12:31as economic inequality gets worse.
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12:31 - 12:34Social mobility, things we really care about,
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12:34 - 12:36physical health, social trust,
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12:36 - 12:39all go down as inequality goes up.
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12:39 - 12:41Similarly, negative things
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12:41 - 12:44in social collectives and societies,
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12:44 - 12:46things like obesity, and violence,
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12:46 - 12:48imprisonment, and punishment,
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12:48 - 12:52are exacerbated as economic inequality increases.
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12:52 - 12:54Again, these are outcomes not just experienced
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12:54 - 12:56by a few, but that resound
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12:56 - 12:59across all strata of society.
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12:59 - 13:02Even people at the top experience these outcomes.
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13:02 - 13:05So what do we do?
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13:05 - 13:09This cascade of self-perpetuating,
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13:09 - 13:11pernicious, negative effects
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13:11 - 13:15could seem like something that's spun out of control,
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13:15 - 13:16and there's nothing we can do about it,
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13:16 - 13:19certainly nothing we as individuals could do.
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13:19 - 13:23But in fact, we've been finding
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13:23 - 13:26in our own laboratory research
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13:26 - 13:31that small psychological interventions,
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13:31 - 13:35small changes to people's values,
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13:35 - 13:38small nudges in certain directions,
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13:38 - 13:41can restore levels of egalitarianism and empathy.
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13:41 - 13:44For instance, reminding people
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13:44 - 13:46of the benefits of cooperation,
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13:46 - 13:49or the advantages of community,
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13:49 - 13:53cause wealthier individuals to be just as egalitarian
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13:53 - 13:55as poor people.
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13:55 - 13:59In one study, we had people watch a brief video,
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13:59 - 14:03just 46 seconds long, about childhood poverty
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14:03 - 14:06that served as a reminder of the needs of others
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14:06 - 14:08in the world around them,
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14:08 - 14:10and after watching that,
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14:10 - 14:12we looked at how willing people were
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14:12 - 14:15to offer up their own time to a stranger
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14:15 - 14:19presented to them in the lab who was in distress.
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14:19 - 14:22After watching this video, an hour later,
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14:22 - 14:24rich people became just as generous
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14:24 - 14:26of their own time to help out this other person,
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14:26 - 14:29a stranger, as someone who's poor,
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14:29 - 14:32suggesting that these differences are not
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14:32 - 14:33innate or categorical,
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14:33 - 14:35but are so malleable
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14:35 - 14:37to slight changes in people's values,
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14:37 - 14:39and little nudges of compassion
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14:39 - 14:41and bumps of empathy.
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14:41 - 14:43And beyond the walls of our lab,
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14:43 - 14:47we're even beginning to see
signs of change in society. -
14:47 - 14:50Bill Gates, one of our nation's wealthiest individuals,
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14:50 - 14:52in his Harvard commencement speech,
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14:52 - 14:54talked about the problem facing society
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14:54 - 14:57of inequality as being the most daunting challenge,
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14:57 - 15:00and talked about what must be done to combat it,
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15:00 - 15:03saying, "Humanity's greatest advances
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15:03 - 15:05are not in its discoveries,
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15:05 - 15:08but in how those discoveries are applied
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15:08 - 15:11to reduce inequity."
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15:11 - 15:13And there's the Giving Pledge,
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15:13 - 15:15in which more than 100 of our nation's
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15:15 - 15:18wealthiest individuals
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15:18 - 15:22are pledging half of their fortunes to charity.
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15:22 - 15:23And there's the emergence
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15:23 - 15:27of dozens of grassroots movements,
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15:27 - 15:29like We are the One Percent,
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15:29 - 15:31the Resource Generation,
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15:31 - 15:33or Wealth for Common Good,
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15:33 - 15:36in which the most privileged
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15:36 - 15:38members of the population,
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15:38 - 15:40members of the one percent and elsewhere,
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15:40 - 15:42people who are wealthy,
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15:42 - 15:46are using their own economic resources,
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15:46 - 15:50adults and youth alike, that's
what's most striking to me, -
15:50 - 15:52leveraging their own privilege,
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15:52 - 15:54their own economic resources,
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15:54 - 15:57to combat inequality
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15:57 - 16:00by advocating for social policies,
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16:00 - 16:02changes in social values,
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16:02 - 16:04and changes in people's behavior,
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16:04 - 16:07that work against their own economic interests
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16:07 - 16:11but that may ultimately restore the American dream.
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16:11 - 16:13Thank you.
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16:13 - 16:17(Applause)
- Title:
- Does money make you mean?
- Speaker:
- Paul Piff
- Description:
-
It's amazing what a rigged game of Monopoly can reveal. In this entertaining but sobering talk, social psychologist Paul Piff shares his research into how people behave when they feel wealthy. (Hint: badly.) But while the problem of inequality is a complex and daunting challenge, there's good news too. (Filmed at TEDxMarin.)
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 16:35
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The English transcript was updated on 1/26/2017.