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A critical look at geoengineering against climate change

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    You've all seen lots of articles on climate change,
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    and here's yet another New York Times article,
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    just like every other darn one you've seen.
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    It says all the same stuff as all the other ones you've seen.
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    It even has the same amount of headline as all the other ones you've seen.
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    What's unusual about this one, maybe, is that it's from 1953.
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    And the reason I'm saying this
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    is that you may have the idea this problem is relatively recent.
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    That people have just sort of figured out about it, and now
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    with Kyoto and the Governator and people beginning to actually do something,
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    we may be on the road to a solution.
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    The fact is -- uh-uh.
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    We've known about this problem for 50 years, depending on how you count it.
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    We have talked about it endlessly over the last decade or so.
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    And we've accomplished close to zip.
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    This is the growth rate of CO2 in the atmosphere.
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    You've seen this in various forms,
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    but maybe you haven't seen this one.
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    What this shows is that the rate of growth of our emissions is accelerating.
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    And that it's accelerating even faster
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    than what we thought was the worst case just a few years back.
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    So that red line there was something that a lot of skeptics said
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    the environmentalists only put in the projections
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    to make the projections look as bad as possible,
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    that emissions would never grow as fast as that red line.
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    But in fact, they're growing faster.
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    Here's some data from actually just 10 days ago,
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    which shows this year's minimum of the Arctic Sea ice, and it's the lowest by far.
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    And the rate at which the Arctic Sea ice is going away is a lot quicker than models.
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    So despite all sorts of experts like me flying around the planet and
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    burning jet fuel, and politicians signing treaties --
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    in fact, you could argue the net effect of all this has been negative,
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    because it's just consumed a lot of jet fuel. (Laughter)
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    No, no! In terms of what we really need to do to put the brakes on
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    this very high inertial thing -- our big economy -- we've really hardly started.
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    Really, we're doing this, basically. Really, not very much.
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    I don't want to depress you too much.
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    The problem is absolutely soluble, and even soluble in a way that's reasonably cheap.
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    Cheap meaning sort of the cost of the military, not the cost of medical care.
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    Cheap meaning a few percent of GDP.
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    No, this is really important to have this sense of scale.
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    So the problem is soluble, and the way we should go about solving it is, say,
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    dealing with electricity production,
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    which causes something like 43-or-so percent and rising of CO2 emissions.
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    And we could do that by perfectly sensible things like conservation,
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    and wind power, nuclear power and coal to CO2 capture,
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    which are all things that are ready for giant scale deployment, and work.
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    All we lack is the action to actually spend the money to put those into place.
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    Instead, we spend our time talking.
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    But nevertheless, that's not what I'm going to talk to you about tonight.
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    What I'm going to talk to you about tonight is stuff we might do if we did nothing.
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    And it's this stuff in the middle here, which is what you do
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    if you don't stop the emissions quickly enough.
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    And you need to deal -- somehow break the link between human actions
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    that change climate, and the climate change itself. And that's particularly important
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    because, of course, while we can adapt to climate change --
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    and it's important to be honest here, there will be some benefits to climate change.
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    Oh, yes, I think it's bad. I've spent my whole life working to stop it.
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    But one of the reasons it's politically hard is there are winners and losers -- not all losers.
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    But, of course, the natural world, polar bears.
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    I spent time skiing across the sea ice for weeks at a time in the high Arctic.
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    They will completely lose.
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    And there's no adaption.
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    So this problem is absolutely soluble.
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    This geo-engineering idea, in it's simplest form, is basically the following.
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    You could put signed particles, say sulfuric acid particles -- sulfates --
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    into the upper atmosphere, the stratosphere,
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    where they'd reflect away sunlight and cool the planet.
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    And I know for certain that that will work.
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    Not that there aren't side effects, but I know for certain it will work.
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    And the reason is, it's been done.
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    And it was done not by us, not by me, but by nature.
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    Here's Mount Pinatubo in the early '90s. That put a whole bunch of sulfur
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    in the stratosphere with a sort of atomic bomb-like cloud.
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    The result of that was pretty dramatic.
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    After that, and some previous volcanoes we have, you see
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    a quite dramatic cooling of the atmosphere.
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    So this lower bar is the upper atmosphere, the stratosphere,
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    and it heats up after these volcanoes.
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    But you'll notice that in the upper bar, which is the lower atmosphere
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    and the surface, it cools down because we shielded the atmosphere a little bit.
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    There's no big mystery about it.
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    There's lots of mystery in the details, and there's some bad side effects,
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    like it partially destroys the ozone layer -- and I'll get to that in a minute.
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    But it clearly cools down.
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    And one other thing: it's fast.
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    It's really important to say. So much of the other things that we ought to do,
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    like slowing emissions, are intrinsically slow, because it takes time
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    to build all the hardware we need to reduce emissions.
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    And not only that, when you cut emissions, you don't cut concentrations,
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    because concentrations, the amount of CO2 in the air,
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    is the sum of emissions over time.
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    So you can't step on the brakes very quickly.
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    But if you do this, it's quick.
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    And there are times you might like to do something quick.
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    Another thing you might wonder about is, does it work?
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    Can you shade some sunlight and effectively compensate for the added CO2,
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    and produce a climate sort of back to what it was originally?
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    And the answer seems to be yes.
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    So here are the graphs you've seen lots of times before.
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    That's what the world looks like, under one particular climate model's view,
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    with twice the amount of CO2 in the air.
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    The lower graph is with twice the amount of CO2 and 1.8 percent less sunlight,
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    and you're back to the original climate.
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    And this graph from Ken Caldeira. It's important to say came, because
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    Ken -- at a meeting that I believe Marty Hoffart was also at in the mid-'90s --
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    Ken and I stood up at the back of the meeting and said,
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    "Geo-engineering won't work."
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    And to the person who was promoting it said,
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    "The atmosphere's much more complicated."
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    Gave a bunch of physical reasons why it wouldn't do a very good compensation.
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    Ken went and ran his models, and found that it did.
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    This topic is also old.
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    That report that landed on President Johnson's desk when I was two years old --
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    1965.
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    That report, in fact, which had all the modern climate science --
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    the only thing they talked about doing was geo-engineering.
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    It didn't even talk about cutting emissions,
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    which is an incredible shift in our thinking about this problem.
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    I'm not saying we shouldn't cut emissions.
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    We should, but it made exactly this point.
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    So, in a sense, there's not much new.
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    The one new thing is this essay.
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    So I should say, I guess, that since the time of that original President Johnson report,
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    and the various reports of the U.S. National Academy --
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    1977, 1982, 1990 -- people always talked about this idea.
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    Not as something that was foolproof, but as an idea to think about.
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    But when climate became, politically, a hot topic -- if I may make the pun --
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    in the last 15 years, this became so un-PC, we couldn't talk about it.
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    It just sunk below the surface. We weren't allowed to speak about it.
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    But in the last year, Paul Crutzen published this essay
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    saying roughly what's all been said before: that maybe, given our very slow rate
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    of progress in solving this problem and the uncertain impacts,
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    we should think about things like this.
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    He said roughly what's been said before.
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    The big deal was he happened to have won the Nobel prize for ozone chemistry.
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    And so people took him seriously when he said we should think about this,
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    even though there will be some ozone impacts.
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    And in fact, he had some ideas to make them go away.
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    There was all sorts of press coverage, all over the world,
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    going right down to "Dr. Strangelove Saves the Earth," from the Economist.
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    And that got me thinking. I've worked on this topic on and off,
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    but not so much technically. And I was actually lying in bed thinking one night.
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    And I thought about this child's toy -- hence, the title of my talk --
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    and I wondered if you could use the same physics that makes that thing spin 'round
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    in the child's radiometer, to levitate particles into the upper atmosphere
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    and make them stay there.
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    One of the problems with sulfates is they fall out quickly.
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    The other problem is they're right in the ozone layer,
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    and I'd prefer them above the ozone layer.
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    And it turns out, I woke up the next morning, and I started to calculate this.
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    It was very hard to calculate from first principles. I was stumped.
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    But then I found out that there were all sorts of papers already published
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    that addressed this topic because it happens already in the natural atmosphere.
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    So it seems there are already fine particles
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    that are levitated up to what we call the mesosphere, about 100 kilometers up,
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    that already have this effect.
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    I'll tell you very quickly how the effect works.
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    There are a lot of fun complexities
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    that I'd love to spend the whole evening on, but I won't.
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    But let's say you have sunlight hitting some particle and it's unevenly heated.
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    So the side facing the sun is warmer; the side away, cooler.
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    Gas molecules that bounce off the warm side
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    bounce away with some extra velocity because it's warm.
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    And so you see a net force away from the sun.
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    That's called the photophoretic force.
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    There are a bunch of other versions of it that I and some collaborators
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    have thought about how to exploit.
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    And of course, we may be wrong --
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    this hasn't all been peer reviewed, we're in the middle of thinking about it --
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    but so far, it seems good.
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    But it looks like we could achieve long atmospheric lifetimes --
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    much longer than before -- because they're levitated.
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    We can move things out of the stratosphere into the mesosphere,
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    in principle solving the ozone problem.
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    I'm sure there will be other problems that arise.
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    Finally, we could make the particles migrate to over the poles,
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    so we could arrange the climate engineering so it really focused on the poles.
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    Which would have minimal bad impacts in the middle of the planet,
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    where we live, and do the maximum job of what we might need to do,
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    which is cooling the poles in case of planetary emergency, if you like.
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    This is a new idea that's crept up that may be, essentially,
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    a cleverer idea than putting sulfates in.
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    Whether this idea is right or some other idea is right,
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    I think it's almost certain we will
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    eventually think of cleverer things to do than just putting sulfur in.
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    That if engineers and scientists really turned their minds to this,
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    it's amazing how we can affect the planet.
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    The one thing about this is it gives us extraordinary leverage.
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    This improved science and engineering will, whether we like it or not,
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    give us more and more leverage to affect the planet,
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    to control the planet,
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    to give us weather and climate control -- not because we plan it,
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    not because we want it, just because science delivers it to us bit by bit,
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    with better knowledge of the way the system works
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    and better engineering tools to effect it.
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    Now, suppose that space aliens arrived.
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    Maybe they're going to land at the U.N. headquarters down the road here,
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    or maybe they'll pick a smarter spot --
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    but suppose they arrive and they give you a box.
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    And the box has two knobs.
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    One knob is the knob for controlling global temperature.
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    Maybe another knob is a knob for controlling CO2 concentrations.
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    You might imagine that we would fight wars over that box.
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    Because we have no way to agree about where to set the knobs.
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    We have no global governance.
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    And different people will have different places they want it set.
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    Now, I don't think that's going to happen. It's not very likely.
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    But we're building that box.
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    The scientists and engineers of the world
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    are building it piece by piece, in their labs.
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    Even when they're doing it for other reasons.
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    Even when they're thinking they're just working on protecting the environment.
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    They have no interest in crazy ideas like engineering the whole planet.
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    They develop science that makes it easier and easier to do.
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    And so I guess my view on this is not that I want to do it -- I do not --
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    but that we should move this out of the shadows and talk about it seriously.
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    Because sooner or later, we'll be confronted with decisions about this,
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    and it's better if we think hard about it,
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    even if we want to think hard about reasons why we should never do it.
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    I'll give you two different ways to think about this problem that are the beginning
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    of my thinking about how to think about it.
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    But what we need is not just a few oddballs like me thinking about this.
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    We need a broader debate.
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    A debate that involves musicians, scientists, philosophers, writers,
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    who get engaged with this question about climate engineering
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    and think seriously about what its implications are.
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    So here's one way to think about it,
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    which is that we just do this instead of cutting emissions because it's cheaper.
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    I guess the thing I haven't said about this is, it is absurdly cheap.
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    It's conceivable that, say, using the sulfates method or this method I've come up with,
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    you could create an ice age at a cost of .001 percent of GDP.
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    It's very cheap. We have a lot of leverage.
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    It's not a good idea, but it's just important. (Laughter)
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    I'll tell you how big the lever is: the lever is that big.
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    And that calculation isn't much in dispute.
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    You might argue about the sanity of it, but the leverage is real. (Laughter)
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    So because of this, we could deal with the problem
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    simply by stopping reducing emissions,
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    and just as the concentrations go up, we can increase
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    the amount of geo-engineering.
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    I don't think anybody takes that seriously.
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    Because under this scenario, we walk further and further away
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    from the current climate.
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    We have all sorts of other problems, like ocean acidification
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    that come from CO2 in the atmosphere, anyway.
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    Nobody but maybe one or two very odd folks really suggest this.
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    But here's a case which is harder to reject.
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    Let's say that we don't do geo-engineering, we do what we ought to do,
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    which is get serious about cutting emissions.
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    But we don't really know how quickly we have to cut them.
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    There's a lot of uncertainty about exactly how much climate change is too much.
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    So let's say that we work hard, and we actually don't just tap the brakes,
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    but we step hard on the brakes and really reduce emissions
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    and eventually reduce concentrations.
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    And maybe someday -- like 2075, October 23 --
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    we finally reach that glorious day where concentrations have peaked
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    and are rolling down the other side.
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    And we have global celebrations, and we've actually started to -- you know,
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    we've seen the worst of it.
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    But maybe on that day we also find that the Greenland ice sheet
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    is really melting unacceptably fast, fast enough to put meters of sea level on
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    the oceans in the next 100 years,
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    and remove some of the biggest cities from the map.
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    That's an absolutely possible scenario.
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    We might decide at that point that even though geo-engineering was uncertain
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    and morally unhappy, that it's a lot better than not geo-engineering.
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    And that's a very different way to look at the problem.
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    It's using this as risk control, not instead of action.
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    It's saying that you do some geo-engineering for a little while
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    to take the worst of the heat off, not that you'd use it as a substitute for action.
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    But there is a problem with that view.
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    And the problem is the following:
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    knowledge that geo-engineering is possible makes
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    the climate impacts look less fearsome,
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    and that makes a weaker commitment to cutting emissions today.
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    This is what economists call a moral hazard.
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    And that's one of the fundamental reasons that this problem is so hard to talk about,
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    and, in general, I think it's the underlying reason
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    that it's been politically unacceptable to talk about this.
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    But you don't make good policy by hiding things in a drawer.
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    I'll leave you with three questions, and then one final quote.
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    Should we do serious research on this topic?
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    Should we have a national research program that looks at this?
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    Not just at how you would do it better,
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    but also what all the risks and downsides of it are.
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    Right now, you have a few enthusiasts talking about it, some in a positive side,
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    some in a negative side -- but that's a dangerous state to be in
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    because there's very little depth of knowledge on this topic.
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    A very small amount of money would get us some.
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    Many of us -- maybe now me -- think we should do that.
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    But I have a lot of reservations.
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    My reservations are principally about the moral hazard problem,
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    and I don't really know how we can best avoid the moral hazard.
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    I think there is a serious problem: as you talk about this,
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    people begin to think they don't need to work so hard to cut emissions.
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    Another thing is, maybe we need a treaty.
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    A treaty that decides who gets to do this.
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    Right now we may think of a big, rich country like the U.S. doing this.
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    But it might well be that, in fact, if China wakes up in 2030 and realizes
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    that the climate impacts are just unacceptable,
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    they may not be very interested in our moral conversations about how to do this,
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    and they may just decide they'd really rather have a geo-engineered world
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    than a non-geo-engineered world.
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    And we'll have no international mechanism to figure out who makes the decision.
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    So here's one last thought, which was said much, much better
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    25 years ago in the U.S. National Academy report than I can say today.
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    And I think it really summarizes where we are here.
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    That the CO2 problem, the climate problem that we've heard about,
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    is driving lots of things -- innovations in the energy technologies
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    that will reduce emissions --
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    but also, I think, inevitably, it will drive us towards thinking about climate
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    and weather control, whether we like it or not.
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    And it's time to begin thinking about it,
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    even if the reason we're thinking about it is to construct arguments
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    for why we shouldn't do it.
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    Thank you very much.
Title:
A critical look at geoengineering against climate change
Speaker:
David Keith
Description:

Environmental scientist David Keith proposes a cheap, effective, shocking means to address climate change: What if we injected a huge cloud of ash into the atmosphere to deflect sunlight and heat?

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
15:35

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