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    For me,
    the most important question today is
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    how do we sit together
    and lead a discussion?
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    Not just with one or two persons,
    but all of us on this planet.
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    To start to raise the questions
    about what's important.
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    -For me, what's important.
    -Are you bending the truth...
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    about climate change?
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    Why are African states
    less developed than Western states?
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    I'd like to know...
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    What is the proper balance
    between Jewish values
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    and other values in a democracy?
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    -I have a few questions.
    -Why do they dislike Americans?
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    How does an individual relate
    to the group in the 21st Century?
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    This place has a lot of history.
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    In this place, they used to burn books
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    by those who say things
    that other people don't like to know.
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    And that's why we've come here
    to August-Bebelplatz in Berlin,
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    where books were burned,
    thoughts were burned.
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    Freedom of speech was burned here.
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    THE TABLE OF FREE VOICES,
    BEBELPLATZ, BERLIN
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    It's wonderful to see all the
    beautiful faces around this table.
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    We have a long day ahead of us,
    so we'll go right into the programme.
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    Today, we ask and we begin
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    to discover answers to 100 questions
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    chosen from thousands, donated
    by people from all around the world.
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    We will ask them all over the course
    of the next nine hours...
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    In eight sessions
    of around 45 minutes
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    covering eight themes
    of global importance.
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    -Chinese.
    -From here. Directly from here.
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    Have you been to my country?
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    No, unfortunately, I have not.
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    Together, we come together as one
    to celebrate our diversity
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    and to gather
    a multiplicity of viewpoints.
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    -Thank you for being here with us.
    -At the Table of Free Voices.
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    -Question one.
    -From Anonymous, USA.
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    "What is today's
    most important unreported story?"
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    You can start with your answer.
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    What ought to be reported today
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    and definitely does not
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    is how much life costs.
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    The price of life on this planet.
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    We are going from crisis to crisis
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    and we only report
    a portion of the story.
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    When the guns of battle are silenced,
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    we then forget about that country,
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    about that region
    that has suffered conflict.
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    And we go to report a different story,
    and when we do so...
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    Well, I would begin with Darfur,
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    with the extermination of populations,
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    just because they're of
    another religion or another race.
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    And the world
    is not interested in them,
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    because they have no resources,
    no oil.
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    For me,
    the most unreported story of today
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    is the truth behind global terrorism.
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    We have no idea, really no idea,
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    what the truth behind it is.
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    Who is alive? Who is dead?
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    Who is advancing it?
    Who is pioneering it?
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    Who is making use of it
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    in "his" or "their" favour.
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    The children who have been enslaved.
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    Human trafficking.
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    The millions of people
    crossing borders illegally
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    in search for a better life.
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    I think today's
    most important unreported story
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    is the story
    of the young girl who died
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    ten minutes ago of malaria.
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    She died needlessly,
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    because the drugs that would be able
    to kill the malaria parasite exist,
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    and are cheap.
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    But she didn't get those drugs.
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    And she died,
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    and just now another child died,
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    and this story goes unreported.
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    I don't think there is
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    today's one most important
    unreported story.
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    There are many unreported stories
    throughout the world.
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    The good things
    that are happening in the world.
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    We don't hear about the good things.
    There are wonderful things happening.
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    All we ever hear about is bad news.
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    The death, the destruction, wars,
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    killing, murders, rapes.
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    Problems.
    If you squeeze a newspaper,
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    it seems to bleed.
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    Thank you.
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    Question twelve from Judy Twedt,
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    24, Denver, USA.
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    "Should we have the right
    to choose where we live?"
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    Now, that's an interesting question.
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    I like it.
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    We are just born.
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    We're just born
    somewhere on planet Earth,
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    and if we don't want to stay there,
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    we go somewhere else.
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    But then, when we do,
    we're discriminated against.
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    I arrived two days ago and on the 11th
    I have to leave again,
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    because my visa
    only lasts for four days.
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    As a Colombian,
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    as a citizen of the world,
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    I have no right
    to enter this paradise,
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    the paradise of the First World,
    except for four days.
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    I believe we should have the right
    to choose where we live.
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    We live in a world
    where capital can move,
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    where goods can move.
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    Why is there so much hysteria
    about people moving?
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    For example,
    one time I wanted to go to Dubai,
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    but because I have
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    a 1951 Geneva Convention passport,
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    I was not allowed.
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    And the reason they gave me for this
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    was that I didn't belong anywhere.
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    Everybody wants to live in a place
    that is free of war.
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    Everybody wants to live
    a harmonious existence.
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    But some people can buy that
    and others cannot.
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    Some people
    can lay claim to that right,
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    and others
    are just not in a position to do so.
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    Yes, we all should have the right
    to live wherever we want,
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    but all of us
    should be able to afford to do so.
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    Sometimes you have to move
    to be able to support your family.
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    If you're crossing borders,
    and you're not recognized by a state,
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    Does that mean you're illegal
    by definitions of the state?
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    I think as humans,
    we can't say another human is illegal.
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    The people
    who are moving are doing so,
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    because they are desperate.
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    They're taking enormous risks.
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    Look at the people arriving
    in the Canary Islands.
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    Every week in makeshift boats,
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    they're arriving
    on the beach by the hundreds.
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    These people are absolutely desperate.
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    Otherwise, they would not have left.
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    That's not a choice. That's not
    choosing where I'm going to live.
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    You're not going to choose to risk
    nine chances out of ten of drowning,
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    or being killed
    before you actually arrive.
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    That's not a choice!
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    You could also ask the question,
    shouldn't we have...
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    the right to remain where we are?
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    This is a very urgent question
    for many, many people on this Earth.
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    Tibetan people,
    such as myself, being Tibetan,
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    we don't have this right.
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    Yes, we can live in our country,
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    but we can't necessarily
    do what we want to.
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    The day the law
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    effectively realizes the possibility
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    of granting this right
    to all people without restriction,
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    on that day
    humanity will have done more
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    than pass over a boundary.
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    It will have attained
    a degree of evolution,
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    which is desirable
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    for all cultures and nations.
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    It's important...
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    that we can live where we want to.
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    Everyone needs a nest.
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    Even the birds need a nest.
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    Human beings need their homes.
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    Question 19, from Claire Mackintosh,
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    25, Brisbane, Australia.
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    "What are the basic dignities
    that each human being deserves,"
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    "and why do we let
    so many people go without them?"
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    Basic dignity is human dignity,
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    their pride, so they can
    hold their heads up, not down.
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    They don't have to be scared.
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    Maybe they live in a remote village.
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    In some part of a developing country.
    So what?
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    They should be standing straight...
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    We let so many people go without them,
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    so we can let other people
    do what they do.
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    Take lands.
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    Drop bombs.
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    Take water.
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    Control minds.
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    All for ourselves
    and nothing for other people
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    seems to have been,
    in every age of the world,
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    the vile maxim
    of the masters of mankind.
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    All for ourselves
    and nothing for other people.
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    It's Adam Smith who said that,
    Adam Smith, the father of capitalism.
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    He knew that was the tendency.
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    All for ourselves
    and nothing for other people.
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    The Universal Declaration
    of Human Rights
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    is what should be available
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    for people throughout the world.
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    We should not accept that anyone
    is denied those basic human rights,
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    the basic human right
    to live a decent life,
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    to have access
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    to food, shelter and education.
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    It is unacceptable
    that in today's world,
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    there are children dying of hunger.
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    It is unacceptable
    that in today's world,
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    there are children
    who have no shelter.
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    To prepare myself for this question,
    I used the Internet, Wikipedia,
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    and I re-read the United Nations
    Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
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    and it made me cry.
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    I just wept. It is so beautiful.
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    Let's put it in every passport.
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    My father was exterminated
    at the age of 37,
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    my mother at the same age.
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    My sisters were exterminated
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    at the age of fourteen and six
    and twelve and sixteen.
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    I survived, and life has become
    very precious for me.
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    And I assume it is also precious
    for every human being on this planet.
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    And yet it is often taken away
    for the wrong reasons.
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    We teach our children that our lives
    are worth more than other people's.
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    Outsiders,
    people with a different colour skin,
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    people that have less than we do,
    people that don't speak our language.
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    People...
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    The other. The other people.
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    What happens oftentimes
    is that those people
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    are really seen
    as "them" and not "us",
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    and there's not much attention
    paid to or much concern for
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    the basic rights and dignities
    of those people.
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    But I think you have to think about
    what "we" means in this question.
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    Who are "we" and who are "they"?
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    Babies, when they cry,
    you cannot distinguish
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    whether it's a boy, a girl,
    what their nationality is,
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    or what the mother's religion is.
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    It's only one voice.
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    Don't forget. It's only one sound.
    We must remember this.
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    I guess if people really
    saw each other as their brother,
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    and could imagine
    that each person out there
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    was their child or relative,
    it would be really different.
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    If we could really
    open our hearts that wide.
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    Everyone can gain
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    human dignity for themselves.
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    Before this, though,
    one must leave behind
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    the self-imposed oppression
    of politics, ideology, religion,
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    and nationalistic narrow-mindedness.
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    I come...
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    I come from the jungle,
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    where I lived most of my life
    with tribes,
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    and where
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    the question of freedom
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    is much more meaningful
    than it is here.
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    I've never known any beings
    that are more free than they are,
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    the indigenous people.
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    No, I never have.
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    Do you believe this project
    can change something?
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    I knew it from the moment
    that this murmur first began,
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    and this babble of voices.
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    It sent a shiver down my spine,
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    and I realized that
    something will come of this.
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    I was reminded
    a little of "Wings of Desire".
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    There are these angels
    which hear all these voices.
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    There's a similar kind
    of murmur the whole time.
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    I could hear this same murmur here,
    only it was real.
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    All these people
    were actually thinking aloud.
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    Oh, hey! Did you see Bianca?
    I think she's over there.
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    There she is.
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    I think she showed up late.
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    Can you do me a big favour?
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    Don't move it when I'm talking,
    because that immediately...
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    Could you do it before or after
    or when I stop talking,
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    because if you do it when I'm talking
    my concentration...
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    -I do it when I get notes from others.
    -Sure.
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    Question 28 from Andrew,
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    22, Frankfurt, Germany.
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    "What if all Chinese people
    want a car?"
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    Please begin.
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    This question is a bit racist.
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    Why not?
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    Everybody needs a car.
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    Why do you only talk
    about the Chinese?
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    If you go to America,
    every family has more than three cars.
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    Why Chinese? Everybody wants a car.
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    Italian, French and German people
    that don't have a car, want a car.
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    What if all Indians want a car?
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    What if all Africans want a car?
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    If all Chinese people
    wanted to have a car,
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    and assuming
    that they would want to drive
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    the biggest, fastest
    and most powerful cars,
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    then the skies above us would darken.
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    Not enough roads, many accidents,
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    not enough car parking space,
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    too much pollution.
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    What if all Chinese people want a car?
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    Then all German people
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    must be turned into automobile workers
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    to produce cars for the Chinese
    until all the Germans are exhausted.
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    It's an impossible story.
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    The car of today in the wealthy world
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    utilizes 2 to 3 percent of the energy
    in the gas tank
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    to actually move the driver.
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    The rest is lost
    in moving the weight of the frame,
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    and the weight of the engine,
    lost in heat and friction.
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    We've devised an enormously
    sophisticated set
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    of very badly designed vehicles.
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    Just to move one person
    from one place to another.
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    Petroleum prices will continue
    their sharp upward movement.
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    And economic chaos
    in the West, at the most,
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    or, at the very least,
    the grim, inevitable realization
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    that something has to be done
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    about the excess consumption
    of fossil fuels
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    in the United States of America
    and other Western countries
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    will be impressed
    upon people's consciousness.
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    China, for a long time,
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    was a nation of bicycles.
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    I'm encouraged that Chinese automakers
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    are looking
    at the ecological impacts of the cars
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    and working very hard
    at thinking about electric cars.
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    China has a huge opportunity,
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    and a huge responsibility
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    to industrialize in a way
    that works for its people,
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    and for its environment,
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    and for the world.
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    What's behind the question
    is not so much the Chinese people,
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    but a metaphor for a situation,
    which is clearly unsustainable.
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    We cannot ask of them
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    what we're not prepared
    to do ourselves.
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    What we need to do
    is learn from our mistakes,
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    from the way we've lived,
    from irrational and irresponsible ways
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    in which we have lived our life.
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    The problem is not
    how many people want a car,
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    but that the door to human desires
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    has been opened interminably.
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    How can we close the door again
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    after opening it to our infinite,
    possessive desires?
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    -Everything okay?
    -Everything okay.
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    -How you doing?
    -Good. A little bit exhausted.
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    -That's too much?
    -Yeah.
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    This is just so cool
    to be here doing this.
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    -Is it?
    -The Nazis burned the books here.
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    Oh, now I get it. That stack of books
    is there because of that.
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    Jesus, I didn't realize that...
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    Willem.
    How many questions do you have left?
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    -After all these questions.
    -You want to know?
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    I'm speaking so much
    about all the problems.
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    I'm setting it all on fire!
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    -Am I doing okay?
    -Question 33...
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    is from the New York-based novelist,
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    Siri Hustvedt, who asks...
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    I'm very curious to know, to find out,
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    how consumer culture
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    actually influences
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    the personalities,
    the ways people live,
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    the way they think,
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    inside themselves, in a given culture.
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    How it becomes part of us,
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    and what it means to be able to resist
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    that visual and verbal culture,
    it seems to me...
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    "It seems to me, it's always reducing"
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    "and simplifying reality
    into something"
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    "that can be easily bought and sold."
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    I think...
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    Consumer culture...
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    It functions to keep creating
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    a desire in the society,
    in the community,
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    that there is something new,
    something better, more useful...
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    Man needs nothing.
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    He needs only himself.
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    He needs love.
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    There are enough coffee pots
    in the world.
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    We're surrounded by enough gadgets.
    There are enough chairs.
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    Use one of the many hundreds
    that are already there,
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    and then put your extra energy into
    developing things that really matter.
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    All this forms part of a culture
    of prostitution.
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    Our values have become prostituted,
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    and humanity
    is just a big prostitution machine.
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    We created monsters,
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    monsters of agricultural development.
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    McDonald's cows are killed and there's
    no ceremony of killing the animal.
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    There's no honouring, no thanking
    the animal for providing food for us.
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    So when there's no ceremony,
    the food we eat becomes bad.
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    And guess what?
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    Where McDonald's is eaten
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    people become sick.
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    What do you expect?
    There's no ceremony.
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    The most powerful people
    on the face of the planet
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    are the ones
    who can affect the most minds, who...
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    who can influence human behaviour,
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    and social movements,
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    and the way in which
    societies view themselves,
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    the way they walk, the way they talk,
    things they eat, they drink and so on.
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    It's all a matter of economics.
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    It's a model that is destroying us.
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    It's a model that is consuming us.
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    What we really need to look at
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    is the free market itself,
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    and see how we
    can really bring in
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    the whole aspect of ethics.
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    Wealth in order to share, to care,
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    and to live happily
    with oneself and others.
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    And the deepest, the best wealth,
    is how to serve others.
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    Question 37
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    is from Tom Henze,
    30, Berlin, Germany.
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    "Does our wealth
    depend on the Third World being poor?"
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    The expression "Third World"
    is truly an arrogant claim.
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    It is not a Third World,
    it's just a world
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    that has developed differently
    or hasn't developed as fast.
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    But it is not the Third World.
    What's the First World then?
  • 31:13 - 31:16
    What is that definition
    of the Third World anyway?
  • 31:16 - 31:20
    Is there a First World,
    a Second World and a Third World?
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    Not really.
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    One world?
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    Not doing so well?
    Humans fucking it up?
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    I mean, if our wealth depends
    on the Third World being poor,
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    then we're in trouble,
    we're in trouble...
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    They started by taking the gold away.
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    But for indigenous people
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    gold didn't have the same value
    as it did for capitalists.
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    Africa has been the cradle of mankind,
  • 31:53 - 31:56
    and I stand very clearly on this,
    and say that Africa
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    is also going to be
    the deathbed of capitalism.
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    Oh plundered Africa...
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    Africa, terrible Africa.
  • 32:13 - 32:18
    It's impossible to talk about Africa
    without feeling...
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    without feeling our hearts twinge.
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    Those who are well-fed
    never understand
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    what it feels like to be hungry.
  • 32:31 - 32:33
    A Nigerian chief said:
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    "If you won't share your wealth,
    we'll share our poverty with you."
  • 32:37 - 32:41
    If you want global peace, we have
    to talk about equitable distribution.
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    We also have to understand
    that all of the resources
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    are shared by all and they are,
    first of all, for those in need.
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    Real property is property by need.
    It comes about through need.
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    When I need a glass of water,
    then it is mine by right of need.
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    Fair... "Fair" is not a word
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    that you hear in economics too much.
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    There is a connection
    that we have to make
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    as to the poverty of the people,
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    the wealth of the land,
    and be observant as to
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    where this wealth is going.
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    What I believe
    globalization is really about
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    is forming global family,
    moving out of what I call
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    a juvenile species mode
    of hostile competition,
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    and into a more mature mode
    of cooperation.
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    This has happened to many
    species all through evolution
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    and it's our turn now as humans
    to do this.
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    I make it very simple.
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    One is joining
    in the generosity of the divine,
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    which is a power of giving.
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    All life is given to us.
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    And those who do that
    are "for giving".
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    And if your life
    is centred around getting,
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    then you're joining in the culture
    of "for getting".
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    So the choice is to be part of
    "for getting" and being forgotten,
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    or part of "for giving"
    and being forgiven.
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    I like that!
    That's great.
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    -He said it for me, my neighbour.
    -Repeat. Repeat.
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    Yes. Can you come and sit in my seat
    and say it for me?
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    I would like it if we had
    more interaction in this process.
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    I'm enlivened
    by sharing with somebody.
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    My brain doesn't, my brain doesn't...
    I mean, this! Talking to you...
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    Talking to you!
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    -Hi, sweetheart.
    Hi! How are you?
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    Are you having fun, baby?
  • 35:03 - 35:05
    -Are you having fun?
    -Yeah.
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    Because you're so smart.
    You're such a genius.
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    Answers just roll off your tongue.
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    -I don't know, I don't know.
    -I don't know!
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    We're part of a big experiment.
  • 35:19 - 35:21
    It's not about the questions.
    This is about us.
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    Go ahead.
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    Thank you.
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    While you were giving your answers
    to that last question,
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    I walked through the circle and could
    see all your faces, hear your voices,
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    see your expressions.
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    And it was deeply moving
    for me to see
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    everything that I saw
    as I walked through the circle.
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    It's such a diverse group
    that we have here.
  • 35:56 - 35:58
    We're our own United Nations!
  • 35:58 - 36:02
    I saw people from Africa,
    from Asia, Australia,
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    from Europe and the Americas.
  • 36:05 - 36:09
    It's beautiful that we're all here
    investing in the future.
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    Question 41.
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    From Adrienn Meszaros,
    30, Budapest, Hungary.
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    "Is there a modern version
    of colonialism?"
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    Yes.
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    There is a modern version
    of colonialism.
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    And it's called debt.
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    It is called debt,
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    followed by
    the structural adjustment policies
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    imposed by the World Bank
    and the International Monetary Fund.
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    A lot of this money
    coming to developing countries
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    is used to control the sovereignty
    of our own governments,
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    of our own people...
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    The Bank and the Fund say,
    if you're going to pay back your debt,
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    and you must pay back your debt,
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    then you have to put interest rates
    way up...
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    That makes it harder for businesses
    to borrow and to employ people.
  • 37:09 - 37:12
    You've got to privatize
    everything in sight,
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    so that gives big opportunities
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    to foreign companies and local elites
  • 37:17 - 37:20
    to buy up all of
    the previously public companies.
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    The United States of America
    was itself built
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    on the decimation of an entire people.
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    Europe has been built
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    on sucking out the Congo,
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    on sucking out
    the gold and diamonds of South Africa.
  • 37:42 - 37:45
    Slavery was about
    the exploitation of raw materials.
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    Today it's about oil.
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    Today it's about diamonds,
    minerals and primary resources.
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    The countries...
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    the Latin American countries,
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    continue to suffer exploitation,
  • 38:03 - 38:05
    the exploitation of their resources.
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    All of these policies
    have been very beneficial
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    to a tiny minority
    of the people in these countries.
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    Just like vampires.
    They are vampires!
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    They use the energy,
    the strength and the lives of others,
  • 38:22 - 38:25
    for their own economic prosperity.
  • 38:25 - 38:29
    It's modern economic colonialism
    based on globalization,
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    but its structure
    is almost exactly the same
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    as it has been for
    four or five hundred years.
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    It's better than colonialism,
    because it doesn't need an army.
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    It doesn't need an administration.
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    It doesn't cost you anything,
    the state, the powers intervening...
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    "We are children of a world
    that has enough for everyone."
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    "But so many remain hungry,
    while so few are well fed."
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    "One will eat, the other suffers."
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    "This is how it's always been."
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    "Other nations must be poor,
    so that rich ones can be rich."
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    And this is a really ideal system,
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    because it isn't even very visible.
  • 39:12 - 39:14
    Colonialism is visible.
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    People think this is rotten.
    Those pictures taken.
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    But debt is invisible, and it works
    just as well, even more efficiently.
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    I don't like to be sitting here
    as an American talking about this,
  • 39:27 - 39:31
    but this is the underbelly
    of the real world that we live in.
  • 39:31 - 39:35
    It's very real.
    It has caused enormous misery,
  • 39:35 - 39:39
    and we have to know
    what's going on in our world
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    in order to change it.
  • 39:42 - 39:46
    There must be
    some democratic forms of life
  • 39:46 - 39:48
    and forms of organization
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    that can sidestep all imperial
  • 39:53 - 39:56
    and colonial forms of subjugation.
  • 39:57 - 40:00
    That's the great question
    of the 21st Century.
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    Question 45
    from Katharina, 24, Germany.
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    "Why do we still believe more
    in nationality than in humanity?"
  • 40:31 - 40:33
    It is by the conditioning of mind
    that we are
  • 40:34 - 40:36
    trained, trained, trained
    all the time,
  • 40:36 - 40:40
    that we are part of
    a national identity.
  • 40:41 - 40:44
    That is how we see it.
  • 40:45 - 40:47
    And, within a nation,
    again it gets down to
  • 40:48 - 40:51
    smaller and smaller
    and smaller identities...
  • 40:51 - 40:53
    And so we are fearful.
  • 40:55 - 41:01
    We have been put into a framework
    to protect ourselves.
  • 41:02 - 41:04
    We're so insecure.
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    We do not know who is for us,
    and who is not for us,
  • 41:09 - 41:11
    and that has destroyed humanity.
  • 41:12 - 41:14
    Let me give you an example.
  • 41:14 - 41:18
    In Iraq now, my country Iraq,
  • 41:19 - 41:21
    most people cling to
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    and trust
  • 41:26 - 41:28
    only their own people,
  • 41:29 - 41:34
    or their neighbours,
    or others from their city.
  • 41:35 - 41:38
    Before, we did not ask
    who a person was,
  • 41:38 - 41:41
    where they came from,
    from which city,
  • 41:41 - 41:43
    from which tribe or family.
  • 41:44 - 41:49
    We would be friendly, that's all.
  • 41:49 - 41:54
    It is security,
    psychological security,
  • 41:54 - 41:58
    that enables people to feel
    an expanded sense of self,
  • 41:58 - 42:02
    that enables them
    to respect difference.
  • 42:02 - 42:06
    It is when people feel frightened,
    scared, cut off,
  • 42:06 - 42:08
    that intolerance grows,
  • 42:08 - 42:12
    and in the nation states today
    people are being manipulated
  • 42:12 - 42:14
    through the mass media
  • 42:14 - 42:18
    to learn to hate the other,
    whom they have never met.
  • 42:19 - 42:22
    We live in a world,
    where we have been conditioned
  • 42:22 - 42:26
    to be tribal, to be nativist,
  • 42:27 - 42:29
    to be nationalist.
  • 42:30 - 42:32
    Of course,
    it's important to understand
  • 42:32 - 42:35
    that nationalism is really fanaticism.
  • 42:36 - 42:38
    I believe that within each of us
  • 42:40 - 42:42
    there is a racist dictator.
  • 42:43 - 42:45
    I'm convinced of this.
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    Because we are closer to the family
    than we are to the clan,
  • 42:51 - 42:55
    closer to the clan than to the tribe,
  • 42:55 - 42:58
    closer to the tribe
    than to the nation,
  • 42:59 - 43:03
    closer to the nation
    than to humanity.
  • 43:04 - 43:07
    I don't believe in nationality at all,
  • 43:07 - 43:09
    and I think more and more of us
    in the 21st Century,
  • 43:10 - 43:14
    children of the world of possibility,
    children of the future tense,
  • 43:14 - 43:18
    live in the passageways between
    nations, cultures and categories,
  • 43:18 - 43:20
    outside the traditional definitions.
  • 43:20 - 43:22
    Our affiliations are not to nations,
  • 43:23 - 43:26
    or to the traditional order,
    but to something beyond that.
  • 43:26 - 43:30
    I believe that, to a certain extent,
  • 43:30 - 43:35
    the concept of nationality
    is beginning to erode
  • 43:35 - 43:41
    as we turn into a kind of
    genuinely transnational people.
  • 43:43 - 43:47
    Sometimes the worst enemy
  • 43:48 - 43:50
    is our own perception.
  • 43:51 - 43:53
    Thank you.
  • 44:54 - 44:58
    Question 48 from Glen,
    Cape Town, South Africa.
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    "How do we stop
    our governments from going to war?"
  • 45:04 - 45:08
    I come from a land
    where there has never been a war,
  • 45:08 - 45:11
    so I do not know anything about war,
  • 45:11 - 45:15
    but I do know of the suffering
    you people have experienced.
  • 45:15 - 45:18
    Me? I come from the land of peace.
  • 45:18 - 45:22
    Where nothing but peace
    had been in existence.
  • 45:23 - 45:26
    Where no one fears being shot.
  • 45:26 - 45:29
    Where no one is aiming at you.
  • 45:31 - 45:33
    Where no one fights for land.
  • 45:34 - 45:38
    We go to war: you, me, us.
  • 45:38 - 45:42
    Governments don't go to war.
    Governments send us to war.
  • 45:43 - 45:44
    We pay the price,
  • 45:45 - 45:48
    and the price that we pay
    is not only physical.
  • 45:51 - 45:54
    The price that we pay is psychic.
  • 45:57 - 46:01
    We lose our moral groundedness.
    We lose ourselves.
  • 46:01 - 46:06
    It's really a shame.
  • 46:06 - 46:08
    The big powers should be ashamed
  • 46:08 - 46:12
    of what they are doing
    with the civilizations. Killing them?
  • 46:12 - 46:15
    I'm a survivor of war in Bosnia.
  • 46:15 - 46:17
    For three and a half years
    of my childhood,
  • 46:17 - 46:22
    millions of bombs exploded
    in my city, and...
  • 46:23 - 46:27
    To hear a bomb explode
    is an experience
  • 46:27 - 46:31
    that can't be explained or described,
  • 46:31 - 46:33
    because you feel it in your body.
  • 46:33 - 46:36
    I remember
    just my whole body reacting
  • 46:36 - 46:39
    to such loudness and destruction.
  • 46:40 - 46:43
    My heart would jump every time,
    millions of times.
  • 46:44 - 46:47
    There were times when it felt like
    my heart could no longer take it,
  • 46:48 - 46:51
    like it would just burst
    into millions of pieces.
  • 46:55 - 46:59
    We're nothing but collateral damage.
    We're not talking about numbers.
  • 46:59 - 47:03
    We're not talking about
    destroyed lives or families.
  • 47:04 - 47:07
    We're talking about collateral damage.
    It's just numbing.
  • 47:08 - 47:10
    Because we're not seeing a face.
    It is distant.
  • 47:11 - 47:13
    The political process has lost touch
  • 47:14 - 47:17
    with the reality that war
    is only about economics.
  • 47:18 - 47:21
    It is incomprehensible how,
    nowadays,
  • 47:21 - 47:23
    the world powers
  • 47:23 - 47:27
    can spend so much money on death.
  • 47:27 - 47:30
    We've lost our connection to
  • 47:32 - 47:35
    our responsibility
    for what our governments do.
  • 47:35 - 47:38
    And we get lost in our powerlessness,
  • 47:38 - 47:41
    and we think we can change it
    in a few moments.
  • 47:41 - 47:44
    People marched
    against the war and it didn't work,
  • 47:44 - 47:47
    so everyone goes back to living
    their lives again,
  • 47:47 - 47:51
    while what they
    went to the streets for has become
  • 47:51 - 47:54
    a greater nightmare
    than they could have ever imagined.
  • 47:55 - 47:56
    Why was it so horrible then
  • 47:57 - 48:00
    and not so horrible now
    that no one's in the streets?
  • 48:00 - 48:04
    How you stop the government
    is a very difficult question.
  • 48:04 - 48:08
    The only way one could do it
    is by overthrowing that government,
  • 48:08 - 48:10
    by a revolution.
  • 48:10 - 48:15
    But then the notion of revolution
    in our time is so archaic, so dépassé.
  • 48:15 - 48:17
    We don't think
    in those terms anymore,
  • 48:17 - 48:20
    but that is the only way
    to stop a government.
  • 48:22 - 48:24
    The most important step
  • 48:25 - 48:28
    that all the women of the world
    can take
  • 48:28 - 48:30
    is not to give their children away
  • 48:32 - 48:36
    to be turned into soldiers,
    to be turned into killers.
  • 48:37 - 48:42
    I come from a region where we all
    started to hate each other,
  • 48:43 - 48:46
    and to kill each other savagely
  • 48:46 - 48:49
    as if the others were no longer human.
  • 48:50 - 48:54
    We have these disasters in which,
    in a very short period of time,
  • 48:54 - 48:58
    a massive amount of destructive power
    can be brought to bear.
  • 48:58 - 49:02
    The governments doing this
    must be replaced.
  • 49:02 - 49:06
    The leaders individually responsible
    for these actions
  • 49:07 - 49:09
    must be held to justice.
  • 49:10 - 49:13
    We've seen a wonderful trend
    in the past twenty years
  • 49:13 - 49:16
    with General Pinochet
    and a number of others,
  • 49:17 - 49:22
    whose actions led to genocide,
    led to disappearances, led to death,
  • 49:23 - 49:26
    being brought before
    world courts of justice.
  • 49:26 - 49:29
    So we must move to a world
    in which every leader
  • 49:29 - 49:32
    is held accountable in the same way,
  • 49:32 - 49:36
    with the feeling that their actions
    will be judged.
  • 49:39 - 49:44
    As a human being I feel that...
    What is today's war?
  • 49:45 - 49:48
    We are killing each other
    and it's something that
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    is taking peace away
    from a lot of people.
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    Question 56.
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    From Moise Marabout, 23,
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    Agadez, Niger.
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    "Why is there no peace
    in the Middle East yet?"
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    This question is extremely,
    extremely, extremely,
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    extremely close to my heart
    as an Israeli.
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    I can only say that, the way I see it,
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    there's no peace in the Middle East,
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    because of the vanity of Israel.
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    As long as justice is not addressed,
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    we will not have peace.
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    Peace is not a moment
    between conflicts,
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    but a continuous state
    one lives and strives for.
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    The only peace now
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    is false peace,
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    peace based upon lack of trust.
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    Oil.
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    I believe the reason is
    that there are fanatics on both sides.
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    On both sides.
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    You can't ignore the fact that we are
    deeply scarred as a people,
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    but instead of
    trying to heal ourselves
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    by recognizing
    that we must use compassion,
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    love and forgiveness,
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    and engage in dialogue eye to eye,
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    we keep hiding behind
    our supposed righteousness,
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    but there is no such thing.
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    We feel like we can do anything,
    because of what was done to us.
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    I believe Palestinians and Israelis
    want to be able to coexist together.
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    The whole argument
    that we were here first
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    that they were here first,
    is irrelevant.
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    We are all visitors on this planet.
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    We are all strangers
    walking on borrowed land.
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    Once Palestinians and Israelis
    live equally with self-respect,
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    with respect to each other
    and solidarity,
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    it will echo to the entire world.
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    It will stop these stupid battles
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    of the state deciding between the
    culture of the West and the Muslims.
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    It's such bullshit.
    In Israel and Palestine we can prove
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    that together this can be the most
    beautiful culture one can have.
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    I know I sound like a dreamer...
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    In my country, in my community,
    we normally say...
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    which means,
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    "Where two bulls fight, normally
    the grass is the one that suffers."
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    Question 61 from Wolfgang Jost,
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    23, Berlin, Germany...
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    "Why is an Iranian nuclear bomb"
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    "supposed to be more dangerous
    than an American, Israeli or French?"
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    Let us not ask this question
    in America or France or in Israel.
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    But let us ask this question
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    in Algeria or in Iraq,
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    or in Lebanon or in Palestine...
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    Or even Japan!
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    August 7, 1945.
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    America dropped a bomb on Hiroshima.
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    Some hundred thousand people
    were killed, school children,
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    civilians,
    and the killing went on for years,
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    because of the atomic consequences.
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    Who has really been using
    those bombs, practically?
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    Until now, just the USA.
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    Iran pledges, promises,
    to destroy Israel.
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    And there is no doubt that
    if Iran were to have a nuclear bomb,
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    it would keep its promise.
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    Israel? Israel's bombs?
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    Where do they come from?
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    We make those.
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    We sell them to Israel.
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    The American, Israeli and French bombs
    should be eliminated.
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    France and the United States
    have a legal obligation to do so
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    under
    the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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    And Israel has a security interest
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    in really resolving the conflicts in
    its region through non-violent means.
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    As long as some have nuclear weapons
    others will want them.
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    As long as they want them,
    they'll get them.
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    And as long as they exist,
    it's inevitable
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    that either through accident
    or design, they will be used.
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    Any use is catastrophic,
    therefore they must be abolished.
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    Why do we have to have a nuclear bomb?
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    We shouldn't be...
    If we were to start all over again,
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    no one would say that it was
    a good idea to build nuclear bombs.
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    Insane!
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    Who would we be if we didn't live
    in the shadow of the atomic bomb?
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    We would be very different people.
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    Would we live in this sense of fear
    that is manipulated
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    by external powers so easily?
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    Would we still be allowing
    the level of violence that we allow?
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    I don't think so.
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    I think we could have found
    some wonderful ways
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    to deal with conflict
    that wasn't violence.
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    And I do think
    that who we are in the 21st Century
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    has deeply been affected
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    by the technological advances
    in weaponry.
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    I don't think we fully understand
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    what that's done to our humanity,
    what it's done
  • 57:22 - 57:25
    to American citizens
    to have used the atomic bomb.
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    I think that contributes to how...
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    how violent our own inner nature is.
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    It has contributed
    to the level of depression,
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    the level of addictions,
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    the disconnect and denial...
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    I think it would be
    a very different world,
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    a very different world,
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    certainly one
    more caring and generous...
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    Thank you.
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    Question 62 is from
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    the writer and activist Arundhati Roy.
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    "Between non-violent resistance
    and armed struggle where do we go?"
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    "What is effective?"
    "What is the right thing to do?"
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    "Or do we need
    a biodiversity of resistance?"
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    Arundhati, if you could sit here
    and hear this murmur...
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    and see all these faces.
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    I like the term
    "biodiversity of resistance".
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    This is a great question
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    and I'm not sure
    if we are the ones to answer it.
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    I would prefer to say that
    I prefer a non-violent resistance.
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    I wish this resistance would make it.
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    But we are not the ones to choose
    the resistance of the oppressed.
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    We certainly need
    a variety of forms of resistance.
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    Armed struggle
    must be the last resort,
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    and something
    that we are very, very mindful of
  • 59:26 - 59:28
    and oftentimes suspicious of.
  • 59:28 - 59:31
    And yet there are conditions
    under which armed struggle
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    becomes necessary.
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    For the most part we must deploy
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    all forms of non-violent resistance
    and struggle,
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    understanding non-violence
    as something active,
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    as something that's vital and vibrant,
  • 59:46 - 59:50
    something that requires our sacrifice,
    our suffering,
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    something that allows us
    to accent the best in ourselves
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    and the best in others.
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    The struggle for change
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    in every single place
    where struggle has been successful
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    has employed what you term
    a "biodiversity" of tactics.
  • 60:09 - 60:11
    From non-violent resistance
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    to political organizing,
    to speechmaking
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    to armed struggle.
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    Legitimate armed struggle
    based on the principles laid down by
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    the African National Congress
    and Che Guevara,
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    to distinguish between mere terrorism,
  • 60:29 - 60:33
    violence for its own sake
    with unnecessary casualties,
  • 60:33 - 60:38
    and armed struggle that is undertaken
    to mobilize and protect
  • 60:38 - 60:40
    an oppressed majority.
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    As an organizer,
    whatever decision I make
  • 60:43 - 60:46
    and whatever movement
    I'm engaged in, I have to ask myself:
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    Can I live with the impact
    of the tactic I'm going to use?
  • 60:50 - 60:54
    It never happens
    that when change is taking place,
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    that it does not affect others.
  • 60:57 - 61:01
    There are always victims of change.
  • 61:01 - 61:04
    Ask yourself:
    How much are you willing to give?
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    How convinced are you of your goal?
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    And then you can choose the weapons.
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    It could be a pen, it could be a gun,
  • 61:17 - 61:22
    it could be a camera, it could be
    a piece of paper, it could be a knife,
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    it could be your life.
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    We can accomplish a lot
    with non-violent resistance.
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    But are there times
    when armed struggles are justified?
  • 61:35 - 61:37
    Are revolutions justified?
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    Concentrating on resistance,
    there's something wrong with that.
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    We're not just
    concentrating on resistance.
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    We have to create "attractance".
  • 61:51 - 61:56
    We have to create a new paradigm,
    which is attractive to go to.
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    If everyone were to bloom
    in their own beauty... Imagine that!
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    Everyone sitting in a circle at this
    table blooming in their own beauty.
  • 62:07 - 62:10
    Yes, Arundhati,
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    we need biodiversity on Earth.
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    It's everyone's language,
    everyone's culture,
  • 62:17 - 62:20
    everyone's spiritual understanding.
  • 62:20 - 62:23
    At this very moment,
    you can see around me
  • 62:23 - 62:26
    a circle that represents
    a global community
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    where there is diversity,
    diversity of thought,
  • 62:31 - 62:34
    diversity of ideas,
    diversity of concepts.
  • 62:34 - 62:36
    Is anyone there listening to us?
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    At any time?
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    It will probably
    be catapulted into the world
  • 62:43 - 62:45
    like a discus.
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    Great.
  • 62:49 - 62:52
    Yes? Does that sound good?
    Oh good.
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    Can you take your head off?
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    So you can really feel
    what's going on around you,
  • 63:00 - 63:02
    sense what's going on around you.
  • 63:02 - 63:05
    Or are you still
    in your mind, thinking?
  • 63:07 - 63:10
    -Our friend the camera.
    -Guys!
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    Whatever you hear from me,
    if there is one smart thing,
  • 63:14 - 63:17
    take it and the rest please erase
    it...
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    You also went to the centre.
    How was the centre?
  • 63:21 - 63:25
    It was really good. It's amazing.
    You can click onto the different...
  • 63:27 - 63:28
    You can go to any camera.
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    Question 75.
  • 64:05 - 64:09
    From Sara Francis,
    35, Dublin, Ireland.
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    "What does courage mean now?"
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    "Courage is something
    I appreciate so much in a person."
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    "I salute people who have courage."
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    "Courage helps you to continue
    to live your day-to-day life."
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    "Courage is something...
    Step by step, you go up!"
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    It takes courage to be a human being.
    It takes courage to be!
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    Solitude is courage.
    Hermetics. Total neutrality.
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    To be unsure of yourself is courage.
  • 64:46 - 64:48
    Courage is so many things.
  • 64:48 - 64:51
    Courage is the courage
    of Aung San Suu Kyi,
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    who is being kept
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    incommunicado
    and under house arrest.
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    Courage is the courage of
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    the young students
    in Tiananmen Square.
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    We risk our lives
    in many different ways.
  • 65:11 - 65:14
    I've never really risked mine,
    so I can't say.
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    I've never lived
    in truly dangerous situations.
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    The way so many people
    around this table have done.
  • 65:21 - 65:23
    To put it simply,
    to be willing to die.
  • 65:23 - 65:25
    Yes, to be willing to die.
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    To have the courage
    to take the risk to die,
  • 65:28 - 65:31
    to defend who I am and what I'm doing.
  • 65:33 - 65:35
    Well, I mean,
    we're sitting in a square,
  • 65:35 - 65:40
    where the adventure of Nazism
  • 65:40 - 65:45
    took over
    this beautiful country of Germany,
  • 65:45 - 65:48
    and distorted the laws of justice
  • 65:48 - 65:51
    in a most gross and horrific fashion.
  • 65:52 - 65:56
    Imagine the courage of people
    that broke the laws of the state
  • 65:56 - 65:59
    to honour the higher law
  • 65:59 - 66:03
    of caring for human life.
  • 66:05 - 66:09
    You don't know
    that Chinese prison labour camps
  • 66:09 - 66:11
    are similar to Soviet gulags,
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    or German concentration camps.
  • 66:14 - 66:18
    About 40 or 50 million people
    lost their lives there.
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    I was there for 19 years,
  • 66:22 - 66:25
    before I made it to America.
  • 66:25 - 66:28
    I didn't want to talk about this,
  • 66:28 - 66:30
    but finally I have,
  • 66:32 - 66:34
    because we have only one lifetime.
  • 66:35 - 66:38
    What would Argentina have been
    without the courage
  • 66:38 - 66:40
    of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo,
  • 66:40 - 66:43
    who stood up to the dictatorships
    and terrorism
  • 66:43 - 66:46
    of the Generals Videla,
    Massera and Agosti,
  • 66:46 - 66:50
    who "disappeared" thousands of people
    by throwing them into the sea.
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    What would have become of us
  • 66:53 - 66:55
    without the lesson in courage
    taught by these mothers,
  • 66:55 - 66:59
    who stood before the Casa de Gobierno
    every Thursday
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    with the portraits
    of their disappeared sons?
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    Courage means to understand
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    that these powers are not invincible,
  • 67:09 - 67:12
    as is being demonstrated
    by people in the world,
  • 67:12 - 67:15
    who, with courage and indignation,
  • 67:16 - 67:20
    have managed to expel
    transnationals from their countries,
  • 67:20 - 67:22
    have managed to overthrow
  • 67:22 - 67:25
    and topple governments.
  • 67:26 - 67:28
    Courage has everything to do with
  • 67:29 - 67:32
    looking at the future in the face,
  • 67:33 - 67:36
    always acknowledging
    an element of the unknown,
  • 67:37 - 67:41
    but believing that if one sacrifices,
  • 67:42 - 67:43
    if one suffers,
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    if one takes a risk
    and allows oneself to be vulnerable,
  • 67:48 - 67:51
    that one can still make a difference.
  • 67:52 - 67:54
    We should keep this in mind
  • 67:54 - 67:57
    and it should make us
    all the more radical and motivated,
  • 67:58 - 68:00
    as we don't risk our lives,
  • 68:00 - 68:02
    just a little boredom,
  • 68:03 - 68:06
    a little ostracism,
    a little of our well-being.
  • 68:07 - 68:10
    Courage is also not just about
    changing this world.
  • 68:10 - 68:13
    It is really also about ensuring
  • 68:13 - 68:16
    that the present day world
    does not change me.
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    Question 78.
  • 69:20 - 69:24
    From Nancy Clemons, 57,
    Cameron, Missouri, USA...
  • 69:24 - 69:29
    "What can I do, and tell others to do,
    to stop global warming?"
  • 69:30 - 69:34
    "What can I do, and tell others to do,
    to stop global warming?"
  • 69:34 - 69:35
    Please begin.
  • 69:43 - 69:46
    This is a big question.
  • 69:48 - 69:52
    Quite simply, future generations
    will not be able to understand
  • 69:53 - 69:57
    our delirium of destruction.
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    There's nothing we can do
    to stop global warming.
  • 70:02 - 70:06
    The ice is going to
    carry on melting away.
  • 70:06 - 70:11
    And now the question is:
    Who will live?
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    Who will live a life worth living?
  • 70:15 - 70:18
    We know that many will perish.
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    We know that many more
    will barely survive with no life.
  • 70:24 - 70:27
    Few will have a life worthy of living.
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    I pray to the Great One
    and ask him again and pray again
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    that you and me will be able
    to have a life worthy of living.
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    Because no matter
    what you and I do today
  • 70:40 - 70:42
    there's no way of returning.
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    The ice will carry on melting
    until it has ceased to exist.
  • 70:48 - 70:52
    Actually,
    we can't stop global warming any more.
  • 70:53 - 70:56
    As an evolution biologist,
    I firmly believe
  • 70:56 - 70:58
    that we cannot stop it any more.
  • 70:58 - 71:01
    However, we can slow it down.
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    Global warming is not about science.
    It's about experience.
  • 71:06 - 71:10
    Science will give us the facts,
    the data and it may move us to act.
  • 71:10 - 71:13
    But how we move
    each other to act is a question
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    more of the heart than of the head.
  • 71:16 - 71:18
    We are all part of the problem,
  • 71:19 - 71:22
    but we can also be
    part of the solution.
  • 71:22 - 71:26
    I could make a contribution
    if I stop driving my car.
  • 71:28 - 71:33
    Transitions to bio fuels
    and even large-scale wind and solar
  • 71:33 - 71:36
    would probably
    not be sufficient to sustain
  • 71:36 - 71:39
    an industrial system
    at the present scale.
  • 71:40 - 71:42
    So the answer is powering down.
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    Right now, hundreds of communities
    are starting to take these steps.
  • 71:48 - 71:51
    They are engaged
    in what is called "power down".
  • 71:51 - 71:54
    They are looking at
    how they as communities
  • 71:55 - 72:00
    can take steps right now
    to localize their economies.
  • 72:00 - 72:05
    They realize that if oil prices
    shoot up or if there's scarcity,
  • 72:05 - 72:08
    they may find
    the supermarket shelves empty.
  • 72:08 - 72:11
    That they won't
    be able to heat their homes,
  • 72:11 - 72:13
    that they won't be able to travel.
  • 72:16 - 72:20
    We must talk about how to control
  • 72:22 - 72:24
    our cheap desire.
  • 72:25 - 72:28
    I think something
    we can all do worldwide
  • 72:28 - 72:33
    is to shame and ridicule
    the people who are polluting.
  • 72:39 - 72:42
    There won't be any state of emergency.
  • 72:42 - 72:44
    We have been for thousands of years
  • 72:44 - 72:46
    in a state of emergency.
  • 72:47 - 72:50
    We delude ourselves into thinking
  • 72:50 - 72:52
    that these problems are the creation
  • 72:52 - 72:55
    of our nation, government,
    religion or race,
  • 72:55 - 72:57
    but this is not so.
  • 72:58 - 73:00
    The problem lies within
  • 73:00 - 73:02
    each individual's consciousness.
  • 73:04 - 73:08
    I don't believe in humankind.
    No, I don't.
  • 73:09 - 73:12
    I tell you, I'm embarrassed
    to belong to that race.
  • 73:23 - 73:27
    And at the same time,
    I'm fascinated by it.
  • 73:29 - 73:31
    La belle et la bestia.
  • 74:28 - 74:30
    Question 83
  • 74:30 - 74:34
    is from the photographer
    Sebastião Salgado
  • 74:35 - 74:39
    of Aimorés, Minas Gerais, Brazil...
  • 74:40 - 74:44
    "Can a person be perceptive enough
    to see our planet"
  • 74:44 - 74:48
    "in a way that tells them
    that they too are part of nature?"
  • 74:50 - 74:53
    We all start seeing clearer
    and clearer the damage that's done.
  • 74:53 - 74:56
    We see it at our doorsteps.
  • 74:56 - 75:00
    We see and feel the climate changes,
    the droughts and the flooding,
  • 75:00 - 75:02
    the storms and the heat.
  • 75:03 - 75:05
    We breathe the bad air.
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    We suffer from allergies.
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    We miss the taste in food.
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    We watch the forest die,
  • 75:14 - 75:18
    the animals and plants
    endangered and disappearing.
  • 75:19 - 75:21
    And more and more of us understand
  • 75:22 - 75:26
    that the planet does not belong to us,
  • 75:27 - 75:31
    but that we belong to the Earth.
  • 75:33 - 75:35
    Since the 20th Century,
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    when man was able to escape gravity
    and move into space,
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    we had pictures,
    beautiful pictures of our planet,
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    that little bluish globe
    floating through the universe.
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    As you look at those pictures, you
    become almost sentimental and think:
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    I live on this planet,
    I am part of this planet.
  • 76:00 - 76:03
    Go out into a field
    and lie down at night
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    and look down into the stars.
  • 76:06 - 76:10
    Pretend gravity has you glued
    to the bottom of the planet,
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    because how do you know
    which way is up?
  • 76:13 - 76:17
    The reason why little children
    love animals is because
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    we have co-evolved
    with the rest of creation.
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    We have lived close to nature
    for almost all our evolution.
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    This little blip of modern life
    cut off from the Earth,
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    cut off from other animals
    and cut off from one another
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    has only happened,
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    because we've also become
    cut off from ourselves,
  • 76:40 - 76:43
    from our own hearts,
    from our own bodies.
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    Nature makes the most sophisticated
    materials on the planet
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    out of carbohydrates.
  • 76:49 - 76:51
    We too can learn how to do that.
  • 76:51 - 76:55
    But we have thought ourselves
    to be superior to nature.
  • 76:55 - 77:00
    We haven't looked at her four and
    a half billion years of experience
  • 77:00 - 77:02
    in incredible technologies.
  • 77:03 - 77:04
    Take a wasps' nest.
  • 77:04 - 77:08
    It's a building
    that hangs from a single thread
  • 77:08 - 77:11
    made of material so light
    that it can hold
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    three hundred times
    its own weight in inhabitants.
  • 77:15 - 77:18
    Can we learn
    to make buildings like that?
  • 77:18 - 77:23
    Can we grow skyscrapers from
    the bottom up the way a reed grows,
  • 77:23 - 77:28
    by building new cells at the bottom
    of it and pushing itself upward?
  • 77:28 - 77:30
    We have so much to learn from nature.
  • 77:31 - 77:34
    It is by our own free choice,
  • 77:35 - 77:38
    by our personal efforts,
  • 77:38 - 77:41
    that we will achieve
    balance with nature
  • 77:41 - 77:44
    and so become like all of nature.
  • 77:44 - 77:46
    Then we will feel
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    the eternity, perfection and harmony
  • 77:49 - 77:52
    that is everywhere in nature
  • 77:52 - 77:57
    except within our ourselves.
  • 77:57 - 78:00
    Everything we eat,
    everything we wear,
  • 78:00 - 78:04
    all our houses, all our objects
    come from the living Earth.
  • 78:04 - 78:09
    Learning how to live from that Earth
    in a way that is sustainable
  • 78:10 - 78:12
    is not utopian, is not a dream.
  • 78:12 - 78:17
    What stands between us
    and that possibility
  • 78:17 - 78:19
    is the idea that it can't be done,
  • 78:20 - 78:23
    the idea that they are too powerful,
  • 78:23 - 78:25
    that corporations can't change,
  • 78:25 - 78:29
    the idea
    that people don't want change,
  • 78:29 - 78:34
    the idea that all of this comes
    from innate human greed,
  • 78:34 - 78:36
    that it comes from overpopulation.
  • 78:37 - 78:38
    The planet is too crowded,
  • 78:39 - 78:42
    therefore it's not possible
    to provide for people.
  • 78:42 - 78:46
    All of these are myths
    that need to be reassessed,
  • 78:46 - 78:49
    assumptions that need to be rethought.
  • 79:39 - 79:42
    Question 96 comes from Miraj Khaled,
  • 79:43 - 79:46
    30, from Dhaka, Bangladesh.
  • 79:46 - 79:49
    "What is God's religion?", she asks.
  • 79:49 - 79:52
    "What is God's religion?"
    Please begin.
  • 79:53 - 79:56
    I loved that question when I saw it,
  • 79:56 - 79:59
    because I think it's very perceptive.
  • 80:00 - 80:02
    Which God?
  • 80:04 - 80:06
    Which Religion?
  • 80:06 - 80:08
    What God? Whose God?
  • 80:10 - 80:13
    Whichever way we want to take it,
  • 80:14 - 80:17
    we must respect how others
  • 80:17 - 80:20
    see this word "God".
  • 80:21 - 80:24
    God is a way of defining
  • 80:24 - 80:26
    certain archetypes,
  • 80:26 - 80:31
    certain expectations
  • 80:31 - 80:34
    and objectives.
  • 80:35 - 80:37
    God is "is-ness".
  • 80:38 - 80:42
    God is spirit. God is not religion.
    God doesn't have a religion.
  • 80:43 - 80:45
    God doesn't exist.
  • 80:46 - 80:48
    The religion of my Goddess
  • 80:49 - 80:52
    is reflected
    in every corner of the world,
  • 80:52 - 80:56
    in every... leaf,
  • 80:56 - 80:59
    in every speck of dirt,
  • 80:59 - 81:02
    in every... flower.
  • 81:04 - 81:07
    No, I don't believe
    that God has a religion.
  • 81:07 - 81:12
    I think that religion
    is a profoundly human phenomenon.
  • 81:13 - 81:15
    When we talk about
    God having a religion,
  • 81:15 - 81:17
    you can rest assured
  • 81:17 - 81:20
    that we're talking about
    some human construction,
  • 81:20 - 81:22
    some human creation.
  • 81:23 - 81:27
    What we project onto Him.
  • 81:27 - 81:29
    I am of Love.
  • 81:29 - 81:31
    I am of the Universe.
  • 81:31 - 81:33
    I am God in Action.
  • 81:33 - 81:36
    There is no God.
  • 81:36 - 81:39
    God is a symbol for something
  • 81:39 - 81:42
    that we can't express in words.
  • 81:42 - 81:46
    And that's also why
    there's no God's religion.
  • 81:46 - 81:50
    God, we have to imagine, is something
  • 81:50 - 81:53
    that is not only unknown to us,
  • 81:53 - 81:56
    but is also beyond our knowledge,
  • 81:57 - 82:00
    that has no quality of being known.
  • 82:00 - 82:03
    It's as if
    we were to ask the question,
  • 82:04 - 82:07
    what is the colour of a circle?
  • 82:08 - 82:11
    Is it red, green or blue?
  • 82:11 - 82:15
    It's neither blue nor red nor green.
  • 82:15 - 82:17
    It's also not colourless.
  • 82:17 - 82:22
    The question about the colour
    of the circle is absurd,
  • 82:22 - 82:24
    because a circle knows no colour.
  • 82:24 - 82:27
    Many people are unwilling to see this.
  • 82:27 - 82:30
    They take a pen out of their pocket,
  • 82:30 - 82:32
    draw a circle on a piece of paper
  • 82:33 - 82:35
    and say, "Look, this circle is blue."
  • 82:36 - 82:40
    Yes, the circle drawn by them is blue,
  • 82:40 - 82:43
    but the colour comes from my pen,
  • 82:43 - 82:45
    and not from the circle.
  • 82:46 - 82:49
    The colour of the pen is the religion
  • 82:49 - 82:52
    with which we express the divinity,
  • 82:53 - 82:56
    but we cannot
    draw the circle ourselves.
  • 82:56 - 82:59
    It is something
    that has nothing to do with colours.
  • 82:59 - 83:01
    There are as many religions
  • 83:01 - 83:04
    as there are colours
    with which I can draw a circle.
  • 83:07 - 83:09
    I really like that one.
  • 83:11 - 83:14
    I believe in God,
    but all I know about God is,
  • 83:14 - 83:16
    there is a God and it isn't me.
  • 83:16 - 83:18
    That's all I know so far.
  • 83:18 - 83:20
    Don't you think
    God is in you as well?
  • 83:21 - 83:23
    Oh absolutely. Absolutely.
  • 83:23 - 83:26
    Most of my whole thing
    with spirituality is...
  • 83:27 - 83:29
    I'm a recovering heroin addict.
  • 83:29 - 83:31
    I haven't met God yet.
  • 83:32 - 83:35
    If I meet Him one day,
  • 83:36 - 83:39
    then I will ask Him the questions.
  • 84:25 - 84:28
    -Thank you.
    -Thank you, too.
  • 84:28 - 84:30
    -Last one.
    -Question...
  • 84:35 - 84:36
    -100!
    -100.
  • 84:42 - 84:45
    -Last one.
    -I didn't think we'd make it!
  • 84:58 - 85:00
    Okay, last question. Let's do it.
  • 85:01 - 85:07
    From Keith Dierkx, 48,
    Piedmont, California, USA.
  • 85:07 - 85:10
    "What are the myths
    that we need to create"
  • 85:10 - 85:12
    "to change the world for the better?"
  • 85:13 - 85:17
    Creation stories are part of every
    culture in human history,
  • 85:17 - 85:21
    and they were usually told
    by some kind of a priesthood.
  • 85:21 - 85:24
    But now science
    tells the creation story.
  • 85:24 - 85:27
    It has been elevated
    to that status of priesthood
  • 85:27 - 85:30
    that gets to tell
    the big story to the culture.
  • 85:30 - 85:32
    What story is it telling us?
  • 85:33 - 85:36
    That we live in a non-living,
    purposeless universe
  • 85:36 - 85:38
    running down by entropy.
  • 85:38 - 85:42
    Oh! How cheery is that
    for a creation story?
  • 85:42 - 85:46
    And then we add in
    that evolution on this planet
  • 85:46 - 85:48
    is about the survival of the fittest,
  • 85:49 - 85:53
    about an endless competition
    in scarcity,
  • 85:53 - 85:56
    and that you have to get
    what you can while you can
  • 85:56 - 85:58
    and beat the other guy to it.
  • 85:58 - 86:01
    This is a totally depressing
    creation story,
  • 86:01 - 86:04
    a universe running down meaninglessly,
  • 86:04 - 86:08
    you're stuck
    in an endless struggle in scarcity.
  • 86:08 - 86:13
    This is a terrible story to tell.
    It doesn't fit the scientific facts.
  • 86:13 - 86:16
    Every force in nature has an opposite.
  • 86:16 - 86:19
    If there's entropy,
    there has to be syntropy.
  • 86:19 - 86:23
    In evolution there's a tremendous
    amount of cooperation.
  • 86:24 - 86:27
    In fact, I'd say there's a great story
  • 86:27 - 86:30
    in the maturation cycle
    of evolving species,
  • 86:30 - 86:33
    where they first are young and grabby
  • 86:33 - 86:36
    they multiply
    and take all the territory they can,
  • 86:36 - 86:40
    bump off their competitors,
    act like capitalists.
  • 86:40 - 86:44
    And then they discover, bit by bit,
    the advantages of cooperation.
  • 86:44 - 86:50
    And, as they do so, they build bigger
    and bigger cooperative enterprises
  • 86:50 - 86:53
    and find out
    that their economies are cheaper,
  • 86:53 - 86:56
    more effective, more efficient,
    work for everybody,
  • 86:56 - 86:59
    and you get
    the evolution of rainforests,
  • 86:59 - 87:02
    and human bodies
    made of a hundred trillion cells,
  • 87:02 - 87:06
    working in complete cooperation
    even though they're so diverse.
  • 87:06 - 87:10
    This is a story we need to tell
    in the world, a great new story
  • 87:10 - 87:14
    of the human species
    growing up into global family,
  • 87:15 - 87:19
    doing win-win economics
    and making a better world for all.
  • 87:19 - 87:23
    Human beings are appreciators,
  • 87:24 - 87:28
    not just observers
    but appreciators, participants,
  • 87:28 - 87:31
    even co-creators
    of the cosmic process.
  • 87:31 - 87:37
    The whole world is deeply entangled.
  • 87:37 - 87:42
    All the living organisms,
    all the parts of the universe.
  • 87:42 - 87:44
    The whole universe is living,
  • 87:44 - 87:47
    the electrons
    and the protons and everything.
  • 87:48 - 87:49
    They are all organisms.
  • 87:49 - 87:54
    They all have a history
    and they are all entangled so deeply,
  • 87:55 - 87:59
    intimately interconnected,
    that you cannot separate them.
  • 87:59 - 88:04
    And, at any moment,
    this entangled universe
  • 88:04 - 88:08
    is creating
    and recreating itself anew.
  • 88:08 - 88:11
    That, I think,
    is the evolution of the cosmos,
  • 88:11 - 88:17
    the evolution of all things in it
    from atoms, to humans, to galaxies.
  • 88:17 - 88:20
    That is the objective.
    That is the ambition.
  • 88:21 - 88:24
    That is the ultimate aim
    of divine creativity.
  • 88:25 - 88:29
    That's as far as we can come
    as human beings to understand it.
  • 88:31 - 88:33
    I believe
  • 88:34 - 88:38
    in a measure of humility,
  • 88:39 - 88:42
    and in a measure of humanity,
  • 88:44 - 88:46
    and in an avowal of beauty
  • 88:47 - 88:49
    as an antidote to all the brutality,
  • 88:49 - 88:51
    and cruelty of the world.
  • 88:52 - 88:54
    I believe
  • 88:54 - 88:56
    that the sacred lives in nature,
  • 88:57 - 88:59
    not only in the supernatural,
  • 88:59 - 89:01
    but also in the beauty of nature.
  • 89:02 - 89:03
    I believe
  • 89:04 - 89:06
    human beings
    are metaphysical animals,
  • 89:06 - 89:09
    and always will be
    because of their mortality.
  • 89:09 - 89:12
    The human is the only animal
    that knows it must die.
  • 89:12 - 89:14
    This is the source of the mystery,
  • 89:14 - 89:17
    of the unending mystery
    of human existence.
  • 89:18 - 89:23
    It would have to do
    with the marrying of the mind,
  • 89:24 - 89:28
    the soul,
    and this corporeal little covering
  • 89:29 - 89:31
    that is supposed to be the body.
  • 89:32 - 89:35
    The marriage of all those,
  • 89:35 - 89:39
    if it indeed be that,
  • 89:39 - 89:41
    can only be powered by positivity.
  • 89:42 - 89:44
    And if the positivity
  • 89:44 - 89:48
    then manages
    to give birth to that marriage...
  • 89:48 - 89:52
    then all the troubles of the Earth
    will be gone.
  • 89:52 - 89:54
    If the human mind has got the space
  • 89:54 - 89:59
    in which to breathe,
    to live, to pulse, to flow...
  • 90:19 - 90:24
    Who is ever going
    to listen to all of this?
  • 90:24 - 90:29
    Because we're one hundred and twelve,
    there are a hundred questions.
  • 90:29 - 90:33
    That's 11,200. Let's say...
  • 90:34 - 90:38
    Only two minutes each time.
    That's 22,000 minutes.
  • 90:38 - 90:40
    You know what that is?
  • 90:41 - 90:44
    That's three hundred days.
  • 90:47 - 90:49
    Okay, we're finished.
  • 90:49 - 90:51
    It's over.
  • 97:44 - 97:48
    Copyright © 2011 TITELBILD, Berlin
    Subtitle: S. Kirchner, V. Trespalacios
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