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East vs. West -- the myths that mystify

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    To understand the business of mythology
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    and what a Chief Belief Officer is supposed to do,
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    you have to hear a story
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    of Ganesha,
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    the elephant-headed god
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    who is the scribe of storytellers,
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    and his brother,
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    the athletic warlord of the gods,
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    Kartikeya.
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    The two brothers one day decided to go on a race,
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    three times around the world.
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    Kartikeya leapt on his peacock
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    and flew around the continents
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    and the mountains and the oceans.
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    He went around once,
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    he went around twice,
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    he went around thrice.
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    But his brother, Ganesha,
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    simply walked around his parents
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    once, twice, thrice,
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    and said, "I won."
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    "How come?" said Kartikeya.
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    And Ganesha said,
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    "You went around 'the world.'
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    I went around 'my world.'"
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    What matters more?
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    If you understand the difference between 'the world' and 'my world,'
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    you understand the difference between logos and mythos.
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    'The world' is objective,
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    logical, universal, factual,
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    scientific.
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    'My world' is subjective.
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    It's emotional. It's personal.
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    It's perceptions, thoughts, feelings, dreams.
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    It is the belief system that we carry.
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    It's the myth that we live in.
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    'The world' tells us how the world functions,
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    how the sun rises,
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    how we are born.
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    'My world' tells us why the sun rises,
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    why we were born.
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    Every culture is trying to understand itself:
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    "Why do we exist?"
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    And every culture comes up with its own understanding of life,
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    its own customized version of mythology.
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    Culture is a reaction to nature,
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    and this understanding of our ancestors
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    is transmitted generation from generation
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    in the form of stories, symbols and rituals,
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    which are always indifferent to rationality.
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    And so, when you study it, you realize
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    that different people of the world
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    have a different understanding of the world.
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    Different people see things differently --
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    different viewpoints.
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    There is my world and there is your world,
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    and my world is always better than your world,
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    because my world, you see, is rational
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    and yours is superstition.
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    Yours is faith.
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    Yours is illogical.
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    This is the root of the clash of civilizations.
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    It took place, once, in 326 B.C.
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    on the banks of a river called the Indus,
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    now in Pakistan.
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    This river lends itself to India's name.
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    India. Indus.
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    Alexander, a young Macedonian,
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    met there what he called a "gymnosophist,"
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    which means "the naked, wise man."
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    We don't know who he was.
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    Perhaps he was a Jain monk,
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    like Bahubali over here,
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    the Gomateshwara Bahubali
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    whose image is not far from Mysore.
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    Or perhaps he was just a yogi
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    who was sitting on a rock, staring at the sky
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    and the sun and the moon.
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    Alexander asked, "What are you doing?"
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    and the gymnosophist answered,
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    "I'm experiencing nothingness."
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    Then the gymnosophist asked,
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    "What are you doing?"
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    and Alexander said, "I am conquering the world."
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    And they both laughed.
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    Each one thought that the other was a fool.
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    The gymnosophist said, "Why is he conquering the world?
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    It's pointless."
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    And Alexander thought,
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    "Why is he sitting around, doing nothing?
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    What a waste of a life."
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    To understand this difference in viewpoints,
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    we have to understand
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    the subjective truth of Alexander --
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    his myth, and the mythology that constructed it.
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    Alexander's mother, his parents, his teacher Aristotle
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    told him the story of Homer's "Iliad."
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    They told him of a great hero called Achilles,
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    who, when he participated in battle, victory was assured,
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    but when he withdrew from the battle,
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    defeat was inevitable.
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    "Achilles was a man who could shape history,
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    a man of destiny,
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    and this is what you should be, Alexander."
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    That's what he heard.
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    "What should you not be?
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    You should not be Sisyphus,
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    who rolls a rock up a mountain all day
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    only to find the boulder rolled down at night.
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    Don't live a life which is monotonous,
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    mediocre, meaningless.
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    Be spectacular! --
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    like the Greek heroes,
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    like Jason, who went across the sea
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    with the Argonauts and fetched the Golden Fleece.
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    Be spectacular like Theseus,
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    who entered the labyrinth and killed the bull-headed Minotaur.
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    When you play in a race, win! --
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    because when you win, the exhilaration of victory
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    is the closest you will come to the ambrosia of the gods."
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    Because, you see, the Greeks believed
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    you live only once,
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    and when you die, you have to cross the River Styx.
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    And if you have lived an extraordinary life,
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    you will be welcomed to Elysium,
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    or what the French call "Champs-Élysées" --
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    (Laughter) --
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    the heaven of the heroes.
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    But these are not the stories that the gymnosophist heard.
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    He heard a very different story.
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    He heard of a man called Bharat,
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    after whom India is called Bhārata.
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    Bharat also conquered the world.
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    And then he went to the top-most peak
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    of the greatest mountain of the center of the world
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    called Meru.
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    And he wanted to hoist his flag to say,
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    "I was here first."
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    But when he reached the mountain peak,
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    he found the peak covered with countless flags
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    of world-conquerors before him,
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    each one claiming "'I was here first' ...
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    that's what I thought until I came here."
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    And suddenly, in this canvas of infinity,
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    Bharat felt insignificant.
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    This was the mythology of the gymnosophist.
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    You see, he had heroes, like Ram -- Raghupati Ram
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    and Krishna, Govinda Hari.
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    But they were not two characters on two different adventures.
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    They were two lifetimes of the same hero.
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    When the Ramayana ends the Mahabharata begins.
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    When Ram dies, Krishna is born.
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    When Krishna dies, eventually he will be back as Ram.
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    You see, the Indians also had a river
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    that separates the land of the living from the land of the dead.
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    But you don't cross it once.
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    You go to and fro endlessly.
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    It was called the Vaitarani.
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    You go again and again and again.
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    Because, you see,
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    nothing lasts forever in India, not even death.
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    And so, you have these grand rituals
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    where great images of mother goddesses are built
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    and worshiped for 10 days ...
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    And what do you do at the end of 10 days?
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    You dunk it in the river.
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    Because it has to end.
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    And next year, she will come back.
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    What goes around always comes around,
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    and this rule applies not just to man,
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    but also the gods.
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    You see, the gods
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    have to come back again and again and again
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    as Ram, as Krishna.
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    Not only do they live infinite lives,
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    but the same life is lived infinite times
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    till you get to the point of it all.
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    "Groundhog Day."
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    (Laughter)
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    Two different mythologies.
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    Which is right?
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    Two different mythologies, two different ways of looking at the world.
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    One linear, one cyclical.
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    One believes this is the one and only life.
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    The other believes this is one of many lives.
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    And so, the denominator of Alexander's life was one.
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    So, the value of his life was the sum total
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    of his achievements.
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    The denominator of the gymnosophist's life was infinity.
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    So, no matter what he did,
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    it was always zero.
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    And I believe it is this mythological paradigm
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    that inspired Indian mathematicians
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    to discover the number zero.
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    Who knows?
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    And that brings us to the mythology of business.
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    If Alexander's belief influenced his behavior,
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    if the gymnosophist's belief influences his behavior,
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    then it was bound to influence the business they were in.
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    You see, what is business
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    but the result of how the market behaves
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    and how the organization behaves?
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    And if you look at cultures around the world,
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    all you have to do is understand the mythology
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    and you will see how they behave and how they do business.
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    Take a look.
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    If you live only once, in one-life cultures around the world,
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    you will see an obsession with binary logic,
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    absolute truth, standardization,
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    absoluteness, linear patterns in design.
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    But if you look at cultures which have cyclical
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    and based on infinite lives, you will see a comfort with fuzzy logic,
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    with opinion,
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    with contextual thinking,
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    with everything is relative, sort of --
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    (Laughter)
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    mostly.
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    (Laughter)
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    You look at art. Look at the ballerina,
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    how linear she is in her performance.
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    And then look at the Indian classical dancer,
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    the Kuchipudi dancer, the Bharatanatyam dancer,
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    curvaceous.
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    (Laughter)
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    And then look at business.
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    Standard business model:
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    vision, mission, values, processes.
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    Sounds very much like the journey through
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    the wilderness to the promised land,
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    with the commandments held by the leader.
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    And if you comply, you will go to heaven.
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    But in India there is no "the" promised land.
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    There are many promised lands,
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    depending on your station in society,
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    depending on your stage of life.
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    You see, businesses are not run as institutions,
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    by the idiosyncrasies of individuals.
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    It's always about taste.
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    It's always about my taste.
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    You see, Indian music, for example,
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    does not have the concept of harmony.
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    There is no orchestra conductor.
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    There is one performer standing there, and everybody follows.
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    And you can never replicate that performance twice.
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    It is not about documentation and contract.
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    It's about conversation and faith.
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    It's not about compliance. It's about setting,
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    getting the job done, by bending or breaking the rules --
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    just look at your Indian people around here,
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    you'll see them smile; they know what it is.
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    (Laughter)
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    And then look at people who have done business in India,
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    you'll see the exasperation on their faces.
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    You see, this is what India is today. The ground reality
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    is based on a cyclical world view.
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    So, it's rapidly changing, highly diverse,
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    chaotic, ambiguous, unpredictable.
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    And people are okay with it.
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    And then globalization is taking place.
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    The demands of modern institutional thinking is coming in.
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    Which is rooted in one-life culture.
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    And a clash is going to take place,
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    like on the banks of the Indus.
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    It is bound to happen.
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    I have personally experienced it. I'm trained as a medical doctor.
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    I did not want to study surgery. Don't ask me why.
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    I love mythology too much.
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    I wanted to learn mythology. But there is nowhere you can study.
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    So, I had to teach it to myself.
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    And mythology does not pay, well, until now.
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    (Laughter)
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    So, I had to take up a job. And I worked in the pharma industry.
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    And I worked in the healthcare industry.
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    And I worked as a marketing guy, and a sales guy,
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    and a knowledge guy, and a content guy, and a training guy.
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    I even was a business consultant, doing strategies and tactics.
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    And I would see the exasperation
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    between my American and European colleagues,
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    when they were dealing with India.
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    Example: Please tell us the process
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    to invoice hospitals.
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    Step A. Step B. Step C. Mostly.
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    (Laughter)
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    How do you parameterize "mostly"?
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    How do you put it in a nice little software? You can't.
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    I would give my viewpoints to people.
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    But nobody was interested in listening to it,
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    you see, until I met Kishore Biyani of the Future group.
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    You see, he has established the largest retail chain, called Big Bazaar.
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    And there are more than 200 formats,
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    across 50 cities and towns of India.
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    And he was dealing with diverse and dynamic markets.
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    And he knew very intuitively,
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    that best practices,
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    developed in Japan and China and Europe and America
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    will not work in India.
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    He knew that institutional thinking doesn't work in India. Individual thinking does.
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    He had an intuitive understanding of the mythic structure of India.
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    So, he had asked me to be the Chief Belief Officer, and said,
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    "All I want to do is align belief."
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    Sounds so simple.
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    But belief is not measurable.
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    You can't measure it. You can't manage it.
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    So, how do you construct belief?
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    How do you enhance the sensitivity of people to Indian-ness.
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    Even if you are Indian, it is not very explicit, it is not very obvious.
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    So, I tried to work on the standard model of culture,
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    which is, develop stories, symbols and rituals.
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    And I will share one of the rituals with you.
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    You see it is based on the Hindu ritual of Darshan.
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    Hindus don't have the concept of commandments.
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    So, there is nothing right or wrong in what you do in life.
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    So, you're not really sure how you stand in front of God.
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    So, when you go to the temple, all you seek is an audience with God.
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    You want to see God.
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    And you want God to see you, and hence the gods have very large eyes,
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    large unblinking eyes,
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    sometimes made of silver,
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    so they look at you.
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    Because you don't know whether you're right or wrong, and so all you seek
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    is divine empathy.
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    "Just know where I came from, why I did the Jugaad."
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    (Laughter)
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    "Why did I do the setting,
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    why I don't care for the processes. Just understand me, please."
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    And based on this, we created a ritual for leaders.
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    After a leader completes his training and is about to take over the store,
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    we blindfold him, we surround him with the stakeholders,
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    the customer, his family, his team, his boss.
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    You read out his KRA, his KPI, you give him the keys,
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    and then you remove the blindfold.
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    And invariably, you see a tear,
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    because the penny has dropped.
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    He realizes that to succeed,
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    he does not have to be a "professional,"
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    he does not have to cut out his emotions,
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    he has to include all these people
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    in his world to succeed, to make them happy,
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    to make the boss happy, to make everyone happy.
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    The customer is happy, because the customer is God.
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    That sensitivity is what we need. Once this belief enters,
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    behavior will happen, business will happen.
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    And it has.
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    So, then we come back to Alexander
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    and to the gymnosophist.
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    And everybody asks me, "Which is the better way, this way or that way?"
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    And it's a very dangerous question,
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    because it leads you to the path of fundamentalism and violence.
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    So, I will not answer the question.
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    What I will give you is an Indian answer,
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    the Indian head-shake.
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    Depending on the context,
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    depending on the outcome,
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    choose your paradigm.
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    You see, because both the paradigms are human constructions.
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    They are cultural creations,
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    not natural phenomena.
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    And so the next time you meet someone, a stranger,
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    one request:
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    Understand that you live in the subjective truth,
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    and so does he.
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    Understand it.
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    And when you understand it you will discover something spectacular.
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    You will discover that within infinite myths
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    lies the eternal truth.
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    Who sees it all?
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    Varuna has but a thousand eyes.
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    Indra, a hundred.
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    You and I, only two.
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    Thank you. Namaste.
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    (Applause)
Title:
East vs. West -- the myths that mystify
Speaker:
Devdutt Pattanaik
Description:

Devdutt Pattanaik takes an eye-opening look at the myths of India and of the West -- and shows how these two fundamentally different sets of beliefs about God, death and heaven help us consistently misunderstand one another.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
18:08
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