Radical women, embracing tradition
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0:01 - 0:03Salaam. Namaskar.
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0:03 - 0:05Good morning.
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0:05 - 0:07Given my TED profile, you might be expecting
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0:07 - 0:09that I'm going to speak to you about
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0:09 - 0:11the latest philanthropic trends --
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0:11 - 0:13the one that's currently got Wall Street
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0:13 - 0:15and the World Bank buzzing --
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0:15 - 0:17how to invest in women,
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0:17 - 0:20how to empower them, how to save them.
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0:20 - 0:22Not me.
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0:22 - 0:24I am interested in how women
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0:24 - 0:26are saving us.
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0:26 - 0:29They're saving us by redefining and re-imagining
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0:29 - 0:32a future that defies and blurs
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0:32 - 0:34accepted polarities,
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0:34 - 0:37polarities we've taken for granted for a long time,
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0:37 - 0:40like the ones between modernity and tradition,
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0:40 - 0:43First World and Third World,
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0:43 - 0:45oppression and opportunity.
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0:45 - 0:47In the midst of the daunting challenges
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0:47 - 0:49we face as a global community,
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0:49 - 0:51there's something about
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0:51 - 0:53this third way raga
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0:53 - 0:55that is making my heart sing.
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0:55 - 0:57What intrigues me most
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0:57 - 0:59is how women are doing this,
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0:59 - 1:01despite a set of paradoxes
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1:01 - 1:04that are both frustrating and fascinating.
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1:04 - 1:07Why is it that women are, on the one hand,
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1:07 - 1:10viciously oppressed by cultural practices,
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1:10 - 1:12and yet at the same time,
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1:12 - 1:15are the preservers of cultures in most societies?
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1:15 - 1:17Is the hijab or the headscarf
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1:17 - 1:19a symbol of submission
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1:19 - 1:21or resistance?
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1:21 - 1:24When so many women and girls
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1:24 - 1:26are beaten, raped, maimed
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1:26 - 1:28on a daily basis
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1:28 - 1:30in the name of all kinds of causes --
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1:30 - 1:32honor, religion, nationality --
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1:32 - 1:35what allows women to replant trees,
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1:35 - 1:37to rebuild societies,
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1:37 - 1:39to lead radical, non-violent movements
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1:39 - 1:41for social change?
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1:41 - 1:43Is it different women
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1:43 - 1:46who are doing the preserving and the radicalizing?
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1:46 - 1:48Or are they one and the same?
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1:48 - 1:51Are we guilty, as Chimamanda Adichie reminded us
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1:51 - 1:53at the TED conference in Oxford,
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1:53 - 1:56of assuming that there is a single story
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1:56 - 1:58of women's struggles for their rights
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1:58 - 2:00while there are, in fact, many?
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2:00 - 2:02And what, if anything,
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2:02 - 2:04do men have to do with it?
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2:04 - 2:06Much of my life has been a quest
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2:06 - 2:09to get some answers to these questions.
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2:09 - 2:11It's taken me across the globe
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2:11 - 2:13and introduced me to some amazing people.
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2:13 - 2:16In the process, I've gathered a few fragments
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2:16 - 2:19that help me shed some light on this puzzle.
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2:19 - 2:21Among those who've helped open my eyes
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2:21 - 2:23to a third way
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2:23 - 2:26are: a devout Muslim in Afghanistan,
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2:26 - 2:29a group of harmonizing lesbians in Croatia
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2:29 - 2:32and a taboo breaker in Liberia.
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2:32 - 2:34I'm indebted to them,
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2:34 - 2:36as I am to my parents,
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2:36 - 2:39who for some set of misdemeanors in their last life,
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2:39 - 2:42were blessed with three daughters in this one.
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2:42 - 2:44And for reasons equally unclear to me,
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2:44 - 2:47seem to be inordinately proud of the three of us.
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2:48 - 2:50I was born and raised here in India,
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2:50 - 2:52and I learned from an early age
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2:52 - 2:55to be deeply suspicious of the aunties and uncles
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2:55 - 2:57who would bend down, pat us on the head
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2:57 - 2:59and then say to my parents
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2:59 - 3:01with no problem at all,
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3:01 - 3:04"Poor things. You only have three daughters.
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3:04 - 3:07But you're young, you could still try again."
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3:07 - 3:09My sense of outrage
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3:09 - 3:11about women's rights
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3:12 - 3:15was brought to a boil when I was about 11.
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3:15 - 3:17My aunt, an incredibly articulate
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3:17 - 3:19and brilliant woman,
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3:19 - 3:22was widowed early.
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3:22 - 3:25A flock of relatives descended on her.
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3:25 - 3:27They took off her colorful sari.
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3:27 - 3:30They made her wear a white one.
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3:30 - 3:33They wiped her bindi off her forehead.
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3:33 - 3:35They broke her bangles.
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3:35 - 3:37Her daughter, Rani,
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3:37 - 3:39a few years older than me,
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3:39 - 3:41sat in her lap bewildered,
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3:41 - 3:43not knowing what had happened
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3:43 - 3:45to the confident woman
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3:45 - 3:47she once knew as her mother.
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3:47 - 3:49Late that night, I heard my mother
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3:49 - 3:51begging my father,
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3:51 - 3:54"Please do something Ramu. Can't you intervene?"
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3:54 - 3:57And my father, in a low voice, muttering,
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3:58 - 4:01"I'm just the youngest brother, there's nothing I can do.
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4:01 - 4:03This is tradition."
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4:03 - 4:05That's the night I learned the rules
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4:05 - 4:08about what it means to be female in this world.
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4:09 - 4:11Women don't make those rules,
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4:11 - 4:13but they define us, and they define
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4:13 - 4:15our opportunities and our chances.
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4:15 - 4:18And men are affected by those rules too.
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4:18 - 4:21My father, who had fought in three wars,
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4:22 - 4:24could not save his own sister
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4:24 - 4:26from this suffering.
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4:30 - 4:32By 18,
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4:32 - 4:34under the excellent tutelage of my mother,
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4:34 - 4:36I was therefore, as you might expect,
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4:36 - 4:38defiantly feminist.
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4:38 - 4:40On the streets chanting,
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4:40 - 4:42"[Hindi]
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4:42 - 4:44[Hindi]
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4:44 - 4:47We are the women of India.
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4:47 - 4:49We are not flowers, we are sparks of change."
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4:49 - 4:52By the time I got to Beijing in 1995,
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4:52 - 4:54it was clear to me, the only way
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4:54 - 4:56to achieve gender equality
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4:56 - 4:58was to overturn centuries
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4:58 - 5:00of oppressive tradition.
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5:00 - 5:02Soon after I returned from Beijing,
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5:02 - 5:05I leapt at the chance to work for this wonderful organization,
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5:05 - 5:07founded by women,
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5:07 - 5:10to support women's rights organizations around the globe.
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5:12 - 5:14But barely six months into my new job,
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5:14 - 5:16I met a woman
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5:16 - 5:19who forced me to challenge all my assumptions.
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5:19 - 5:21Her name is Sakena Yacoobi.
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5:23 - 5:25She walked into my office
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5:25 - 5:27at a time when no one knew
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5:27 - 5:30where Afghanistan was in the United States.
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5:32 - 5:35She said to me, "It is not about the burka."
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5:35 - 5:37She was the most determined advocate
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5:37 - 5:39for women's rights I had ever heard.
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5:39 - 5:42She told me women were running underground schools
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5:42 - 5:45in her communities inside Afghanistan,
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5:45 - 5:47and that her organization, the Afghan Institute of Learning,
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5:47 - 5:50had started a school in Pakistan.
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5:50 - 5:53She said, "The first thing anyone who is a Muslim knows
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5:54 - 5:57is that the Koran requires
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5:57 - 6:00and strongly supports literacy.
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6:00 - 6:02The prophet wanted every believer
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6:02 - 6:04to be able to read the Koran for themselves."
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6:04 - 6:06Had I heard right?
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6:06 - 6:08Was a women's rights advocate
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6:08 - 6:11invoking religion?
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6:11 - 6:13But Sakena defies labels.
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6:13 - 6:16She always wears a headscarf,
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6:16 - 6:18but I've walked alongside with her on a beach
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6:18 - 6:21with her long hair flying in the breeze.
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6:21 - 6:23She starts every lecture with a prayer,
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6:23 - 6:26but she's a single, feisty,
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6:26 - 6:28financially independent woman
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6:28 - 6:31in a country where girls are married off at the age of 12.
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6:31 - 6:34She is also immensely pragmatic.
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6:35 - 6:38"This headscarf and these clothes," she says,
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6:38 - 6:41"give me the freedom to do what I need to do
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6:41 - 6:43to speak to those whose support and assistance
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6:43 - 6:46are critical for this work.
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6:46 - 6:48When I had to open the school in the refugee camp,
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6:48 - 6:50I went to see the imam.
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6:50 - 6:53I told him, 'I'm a believer, and women and children
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6:53 - 6:55in these terrible conditions
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6:55 - 6:58need their faith to survive.'"
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6:58 - 7:00She smiles slyly.
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7:00 - 7:02"He was flattered.
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7:02 - 7:05He began to come twice a week to my center
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7:05 - 7:07because women could not go to the mosque.
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7:07 - 7:09And after he would leave,
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7:09 - 7:11women and girls would stay behind.
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7:11 - 7:13We began with a small literacy class
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7:13 - 7:15to read the Koran,
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7:15 - 7:18then a math class, then an English class, then computer classes.
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7:18 - 7:21In a few weeks, everyone in the refugee camp
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7:21 - 7:23was in our classes."
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7:23 - 7:26Sakena is a teacher
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7:26 - 7:29at a time when to educate women
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7:29 - 7:31is a dangerous business in Afghanistan.
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7:31 - 7:34She is on the Taliban's hit list.
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7:34 - 7:37I worry about her every time she travels across that country.
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7:37 - 7:40She shrugs when I ask her about safety.
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7:40 - 7:43"Kavita jaan, we cannot allow ourselves to be afraid.
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7:43 - 7:45Look at those young girls who go back to school
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7:45 - 7:47when acid is thrown in their face."
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7:47 - 7:49And I smile, and I nod,
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7:49 - 7:51realizing I'm watching women and girls
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7:51 - 7:54using their own religious traditions and practices,
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7:54 - 7:56turning them into instruments
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7:56 - 7:59of opposition and opportunity.
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7:59 - 8:01Their path is their own
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8:01 - 8:04and it looks towards an Afghanistan
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8:04 - 8:06that will be different.
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8:06 - 8:08Being different is something the women
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8:08 - 8:10of Lesbor in Zagreb, Croatia
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8:10 - 8:12know all too well.
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8:12 - 8:14To be a lesbian, a dyke,
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8:14 - 8:16a homosexual
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8:16 - 8:18in most parts of the world, including right here
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8:18 - 8:20in our country, India,
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8:20 - 8:22is to occupy a place of immense discomfort
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8:22 - 8:24and extreme prejudice.
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8:24 - 8:27In post-conflict societies like Croatia,
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8:27 - 8:30where a hyper-nationalism and religiosity
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8:30 - 8:32have created an environment unbearable
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8:32 - 8:34for anyone who might
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8:34 - 8:36be considered a social outcast.
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8:36 - 8:38So enter a group of out dykes,
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8:38 - 8:41young women who love the old music
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8:41 - 8:43that once spread across that region
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8:43 - 8:45from Macedonia to Bosnia,
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8:45 - 8:47from Serbia to Slovenia.
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8:47 - 8:50These folk singers met at college at a gender studies program.
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8:51 - 8:54Many are in their 20s, some are mothers.
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8:54 - 8:57Many have struggled to come out to their communities,
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8:57 - 9:00in families whose religious beliefs make it hard to accept
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9:00 - 9:02that their daughters are not sick,
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9:02 - 9:04just queer.
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9:04 - 9:07As Leah, one of the founders of the group, says,
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9:07 - 9:10"I like traditional music very much.
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9:10 - 9:12I also like rock and roll.
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9:12 - 9:14So Lesbor, we blend the two.
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9:14 - 9:16I see traditional music like a kind of rebellion,
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9:16 - 9:19in which people can really speak their voice,
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9:19 - 9:21especially traditional songs
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9:21 - 9:23from other parts of the former Yugoslav Republic.
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9:23 - 9:26After the war, lots of these songs were lost,
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9:26 - 9:28but they are a part of our childhood and our history,
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9:28 - 9:30and we should not forget them."
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9:30 - 9:33Improbably, this LGBT singing choir
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9:33 - 9:35has demonstrated how women
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9:35 - 9:38are investing in tradition to create change,
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9:38 - 9:41like alchemists turning discord into harmony.
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9:41 - 9:43Their repertoire includes
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9:43 - 9:45the Croatian national anthem,
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9:45 - 9:47a Bosnian love song
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9:47 - 9:49and Serbian duets.
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9:49 - 9:51And, Leah adds with a grin,
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9:51 - 9:54"Kavita, we especially are proud of our Christmas music,
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9:54 - 9:57because it shows we are open to religious practices
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9:57 - 9:59even though Catholic Church
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9:59 - 10:01hates us LGBT."
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10:01 - 10:03Their concerts draw from
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10:03 - 10:05their own communities, yes,
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10:05 - 10:07but also from an older generation:
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10:07 - 10:09a generation that might be
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10:09 - 10:11suspicious of homosexuality,
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10:11 - 10:14but is nostalgic for its own music and the past it represents.
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10:14 - 10:17One father, who had initially balked at his daughter
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10:17 - 10:19coming out in such a choir,
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10:19 - 10:21now writes songs for them.
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10:21 - 10:23In the Middle Ages, troubadours
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10:23 - 10:25would travel across the land
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10:25 - 10:28singing their tales and sharing their verses:
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10:28 - 10:31Lesbor travels through the Balkans like this,
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10:31 - 10:33singing, connecting people divided
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10:33 - 10:36by religion, nationality and language.
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10:36 - 10:38Bosnians, Croats and Serbs
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10:38 - 10:41find a rare shared space of pride in their history,
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10:41 - 10:43and Lesbor reminds them that
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10:43 - 10:46the songs one group often claims as theirs alone
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10:46 - 10:48really belong to them all.
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10:48 - 10:55(Singing)
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11:08 - 11:10Yesterday, Mallika Sarabhai showed us
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11:10 - 11:12that music can create a world
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11:12 - 11:14more accepting of difference
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11:14 - 11:17than the one we have been given.
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11:17 - 11:19The world Leymah Gbowee was given
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11:19 - 11:21was a world at war.
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11:21 - 11:24Liberia had been torn apart by civil strife for decades.
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11:25 - 11:28Leymah was not an activist, she was a mother of three.
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11:28 - 11:30But she was sick with worry:
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11:30 - 11:32She worried her son would be abducted
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11:32 - 11:34and taken off to be a child soldier,
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11:34 - 11:36she worried her daughters would be raped,
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11:36 - 11:39she worried for their lives.
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11:39 - 11:41One night, she had a dream.
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11:41 - 11:43She dreamt she and thousands of other women
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11:43 - 11:45ended the bloodshed.
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11:45 - 11:48The next morning at church, she asked others how they felt.
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11:48 - 11:50They were all tired of the fighting.
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11:50 - 11:53We need peace, and we need our leaders to know
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11:53 - 11:56we will not rest until there is peace.
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11:56 - 11:59Among Leymah's friends was a policewoman who was Muslim.
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11:59 - 12:02She promised to raise the issue with her community.
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12:02 - 12:04At the next Friday sermon,
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12:04 - 12:06the women who were sitting in the side room of the mosque
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12:06 - 12:09began to share their distress at the state of affairs.
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12:09 - 12:12"What does it matter?" they said, "A bullet doesn't distinguish
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12:12 - 12:14between a Muslim and a Christian."
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12:14 - 12:16This small group of women,
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12:16 - 12:18determined to bring an end to the war,
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12:18 - 12:21and they chose to use their traditions to make a point:
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12:21 - 12:23Liberian women usually wear
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12:23 - 12:25lots of jewelry and colorful clothing.
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12:25 - 12:27But no, for the protest, they dressed
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12:27 - 12:29all in white, no makeup.
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12:29 - 12:31As Leymah said, "We wore the white
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12:31 - 12:33saying we were out for peace."
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12:33 - 12:35They stood on the side of the road on which
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12:35 - 12:37Charles Taylor's motorcade passed every day.
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12:37 - 12:39They stood for weeks --
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12:39 - 12:42first just 10, then 20, then 50, then hundreds of women --
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12:42 - 12:45wearing white, singing, dancing,
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12:45 - 12:48saying they were out for peace.
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12:48 - 12:50Eventually, opposing forces in Liberia
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12:50 - 12:53were pushed to hold peace talks in Ghana.
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12:54 - 12:57The peace talks dragged on and on and on.
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12:57 - 12:59Leymah and her sisters had had enough.
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12:59 - 13:01With their remaining funds, they took
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13:01 - 13:03a small group of women down to the venue of the peace talks
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13:03 - 13:05and they surrounded the building.
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13:05 - 13:08In a now famous CNN clip,
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13:08 - 13:10you can see them sitting on the ground, their arms linked.
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13:10 - 13:13We know this in India. It's called a [Hindi].
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13:14 - 13:16Then things get tense.
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13:16 - 13:19The police are called in to physically remove the women.
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13:19 - 13:22As the senior officer approaches with a baton,
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13:22 - 13:24Leymah stands up with deliberation,
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13:24 - 13:26reaches her arms up over her head,
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13:26 - 13:28and begins, very slowly,
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13:28 - 13:31to untie her headdress that covers her hair.
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13:31 - 13:34You can see the policeman's face.
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13:34 - 13:37He looks embarrassed. He backs away.
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13:37 - 13:39And the next thing you know,
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13:39 - 13:41the police have disappeared.
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13:41 - 13:43Leymah said to me later,
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13:43 - 13:46"It's a taboo, you know, in West Africa.
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13:46 - 13:49If an older woman undresses in front of a man
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13:49 - 13:51because she wants to,
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13:51 - 13:53the man's family is cursed."
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13:53 - 13:55(Laughter)
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13:55 - 13:57(Applause)
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13:57 - 14:00She said, "I don't know if he did it because he believed,
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14:00 - 14:02but he knew we were not going to leave.
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14:02 - 14:05We were not going to leave until the peace accord was signed."
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14:05 - 14:07And the peace accord was signed.
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14:07 - 14:09And the women of Liberia
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14:09 - 14:12then mobilized in support of Ellen Johnson Sirleaf,
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14:12 - 14:14a woman who broke a few taboos herself
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14:14 - 14:16becoming the first elected woman head of state
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14:16 - 14:19in Africa in years.
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14:20 - 14:23When she made her presidential address,
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14:23 - 14:25she acknowledged these brave women of Liberia
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14:25 - 14:28who allowed her to win against a football star --
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14:28 - 14:30that's soccer for you Americans --
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14:30 - 14:32no less.
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14:32 - 14:34Women like Sakena and Leah
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14:34 - 14:36and Leymah
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14:36 - 14:39have humbled me and changed me
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14:39 - 14:42and made me realize that I should not be so quick
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14:42 - 14:45to jump to assumptions of any kind.
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14:46 - 14:48They've also saved me from my righteous anger
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14:48 - 14:51by offering insights into this third way.
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14:52 - 14:54A Filipina activist once said to me,
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14:54 - 14:56"How do you cook a rice cake?
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14:56 - 14:59With heat from the bottom and heat from the top."
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14:59 - 15:01The protests, the marches,
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15:01 - 15:03the uncompromising position that
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15:03 - 15:06women's rights are human rights, full stop.
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15:07 - 15:09That's the heat from the bottom.
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15:09 - 15:11That's Malcolm X and the suffragists
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15:11 - 15:13and gay pride parades.
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15:13 - 15:15But we also need the heat from the top.
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15:15 - 15:17And in most parts of the world,
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15:17 - 15:19that top is still
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15:19 - 15:21controlled by men.
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15:21 - 15:24So to paraphrase Marx: Women make change,
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15:24 - 15:27but not in circumstances of their own choosing.
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15:27 - 15:29They have to negotiate.
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15:29 - 15:32They have to subvert tradition that once silenced them
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15:32 - 15:35in order to give voice to new aspirations.
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15:35 - 15:38And they need allies from their communities.
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15:38 - 15:40Allies like the imam,
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15:40 - 15:42allies like the father who now writes songs
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15:42 - 15:45for a lesbian group in Croatia,
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15:45 - 15:48allies like the policeman who honored a taboo and backed away,
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15:48 - 15:50allies like my father,
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15:50 - 15:53who couldn't help his sister but has helped three daughters
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15:53 - 15:55pursue their dreams.
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15:55 - 15:57Maybe this is because feminism,
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15:57 - 15:59unlike almost every other social movement,
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15:59 - 16:02is not a struggle against a distinct oppressor --
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16:02 - 16:04it's not the ruling class
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16:04 - 16:07or the occupiers or the colonizers --
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16:07 - 16:10it's against a deeply held set of beliefs and assumptions
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16:10 - 16:13that we women, far too often,
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16:13 - 16:15hold ourselves.
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16:15 - 16:18And perhaps this is the ultimate gift of feminism,
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16:18 - 16:21that the personal is in fact the political.
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16:21 - 16:23So that, as Eleanor Roosevelt said once of human rights,
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16:23 - 16:26the same is true of gender equality:
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16:26 - 16:29that it starts in small places, close to home.
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16:29 - 16:31On the streets, yes,
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16:31 - 16:34but also in negotiations at the kitchen table
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16:34 - 16:36and in the marital bed
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16:36 - 16:38and in relationships between lovers and parents
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16:38 - 16:40and sisters and friends.
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16:42 - 16:44And then
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16:44 - 16:46you realize that by integrating
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16:46 - 16:48aspects of tradition and community
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16:48 - 16:50into their struggles,
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16:50 - 16:53women like Sakena and Leah and Leymah --
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16:53 - 16:55but also women like Sonia Gandhi here in India
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16:55 - 16:58and Michelle Bachelet in Chile
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16:58 - 17:01and Shirin Ebadi in Iran --
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17:01 - 17:03are doing something else.
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17:03 - 17:05They're challenging the very notion
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17:05 - 17:08of Western models of development.
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17:08 - 17:11They are saying, we don't have to be like you
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17:11 - 17:13to make change.
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17:13 - 17:16We can wear a sari or a hijab
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17:16 - 17:18or pants or a boubou,
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17:18 - 17:21and we can be party leaders and presidents
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17:21 - 17:23and human rights lawyers.
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17:23 - 17:26We can use our tradition to navigate change.
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17:26 - 17:29We can demilitarize societies
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17:29 - 17:31and pour resources, instead,
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17:31 - 17:34into reservoirs of genuine security.
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17:35 - 17:38It is in these little stories,
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17:38 - 17:40these individual stories,
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17:40 - 17:42that I see a radical epic being written
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17:42 - 17:44by women around the world.
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17:44 - 17:46It is in these threads
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17:46 - 17:48that are being woven into a resilient fabric
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17:48 - 17:51that will sustain communities,
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17:51 - 17:53that I find hope.
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17:53 - 17:55And if my heart is singing,
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17:55 - 17:58it's because in these little fragments,
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17:58 - 18:00every now and again, you catch a glimpse
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18:00 - 18:03of a whole, of a whole new world.
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18:03 - 18:06And she is definitely on her way.
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18:06 - 18:08Thank you.
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18:08 - 18:16(Applause)
- Title:
- Radical women, embracing tradition
- Speaker:
- Kavita Ramdas
- Description:
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What does an empowered woman look like? Can she wear a burqa, a hijab, a sari? Kavita Ramdas talks about three remarkable women who celebrate their cultural heritage -- while working to reform its oppressive traditions.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 18:19
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