Why the “Born This Way” argument doesn't advance LGBT equality | Dr. Lisa Diamond | TEDxSaltLakeCity
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0:10 - 0:11True or false:
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0:11 - 0:14(Laughter)
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0:14 - 0:18Sexual orientation is something
you are born with. -
0:18 - 0:22Chances are that
if you support LGBT rights, -
0:22 - 0:24you said "true."
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0:24 - 0:25Surveys have found
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0:25 - 0:32that people who view sexual orientation
as an innate trait, like eye color, -
0:32 - 0:35tend to be more supportive of LGBT rights.
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0:35 - 0:37Now, why is that?
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0:38 - 0:40When asked, folks typically say,
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0:40 - 0:43"Well, it's just wrong
to discriminate against someone -
0:43 - 0:44for how they are born.
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0:44 - 0:47It's like ethnic discrimination."
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0:47 - 0:49Makes sense.
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0:49 - 0:50So, for years,
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0:50 - 0:55the "Born That Way" argument
has been used to promote LGBT equality. -
0:55 - 0:58Lady Gaga's song "Born That Way"
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0:58 - 1:02even became an unofficial anthem
of the gay community. -
1:02 - 1:06But there are three problems
with the "Born That Way" argument. -
1:07 - 1:10First: It's not scientifically accurate.
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1:11 - 1:15Second: It's not legally necessary.
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1:15 - 1:18But third, and most important:
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1:18 - 1:20It's actually unjust,
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1:20 - 1:24and it's time to retire
that argument for LGBT equality. -
1:25 - 1:27Now, my passion for this issue
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1:27 - 1:31stems from my own research
on sexual orientation. -
1:31 - 1:34Over 20 years ago, I started a study,
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1:34 - 1:35tracking over time
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1:35 - 1:38100 women with different
sexual identities. -
1:38 - 1:42And over the years,
I was frankly surprised -
1:42 - 1:45by some of the changes
that they went through. -
1:45 - 1:49Some of the lesbians
ended up involved with men. -
1:49 - 1:54Some of the heterosexual women
ended up getting involved with women. -
1:54 - 1:58And when these sorts of things
would happen, women would say to me -
1:58 - 2:02that they thought there must be
something wrong with them, -
2:02 - 2:07since their experiences
didn't fit the conventional wisdom -
2:07 - 2:10that sexual orientation is fixed at birth.
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2:11 - 2:17So, that brings us to the first problem
with the "Born That Way" argument: -
2:17 - 2:19that it's not scientifically accurate.
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2:20 - 2:25Now, sexual orientation
does often express itself -
2:25 - 2:28very early and very consistently.
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2:29 - 2:32But, at times, it doesn't.
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2:32 - 2:35And it breaks my heart when I hear people
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2:35 - 2:41express distrust of LGBT individuals
who came out late in life, -
2:41 - 2:44for example, after
a heterosexual marriage. -
2:44 - 2:46People will say things like:
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2:46 - 2:49"How could they not have known
all this time?" -
2:49 - 2:52"Are they sure that they're really gay?"
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2:52 - 2:53(Laughter)
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2:53 - 2:59Just imagine how it feels to hear that
from someone that you just came out to. -
3:00 - 3:04But the plain truth is that
gender and sexual development -
3:04 - 3:08show a lot more variability
than most people realize. -
3:08 - 3:14And that variability often leads to
change over time in sexual attractions. -
3:14 - 3:17National and international studies
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3:17 - 3:19conducted by researchers at Cornell,
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3:19 - 3:21the Harvard School of Public Health,
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3:21 - 3:24the University of Virginia,
and many others, -
3:24 - 3:28have collectively tracked
tens of thousands of individuals -
3:28 - 3:32for five, ten, fifteen years.
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3:33 - 3:34And guess what?
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3:35 - 3:39Sexual attractions
show a fair amount of fluidity. -
3:40 - 3:44Some individuals start out
exclusively attracted to one gender, -
3:44 - 3:49and, over time, they find themselves
attracted to both genders, or vice versa. -
3:50 - 3:52Some bisexual individuals shift
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3:52 - 3:57from being more drawn to one gender
to being more drawn to the other. -
3:57 - 4:01Now, what does this fluidity
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4:01 - 4:06tell us about the innateness
of sexual orientation? -
4:08 - 4:09Nothing.
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4:09 - 4:10(Laughter)
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4:10 - 4:12Nothing at all.
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4:12 - 4:15Because they are completely unrelated.
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4:15 - 4:18There is, to be sure, strong evidence
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4:18 - 4:21for genetic contributions
to sexual orientation. -
4:21 - 4:27But those contributions do not cement
your entire sexual lifespan from birth. -
4:27 - 4:32What they do is push its development
in a certain direction. -
4:32 - 4:35If sexuality were
totally locked down by genes, -
4:35 - 4:38well then, if you had two identical twins,
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4:38 - 4:39and one twin was gay,
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4:39 - 4:43the other twin would be gay
a hundred percent of the time. -
4:43 - 4:45Because they have the same genes.
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4:45 - 4:47But in reality, twins' surveys have found
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4:47 - 4:52that if you have two identical twins,
and one twin is gay, -
4:52 - 4:57the other twin is gay
thirty to forty percent of the time. -
4:57 - 5:01Now, that is way higher than
you would expect by chance alone, -
5:01 - 5:06so it is definite evidence that your genes
influence your sexual orientation. -
5:07 - 5:10But your genes do not
provide the last word -
5:10 - 5:13on every sexual feeling
you're ever going to have. -
5:13 - 5:15(Laughter)
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5:15 - 5:21Now, before moving on,
I want to make one thing crystal clear: -
5:21 - 5:24The fact that sexuality can be fluid
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5:24 - 5:31does not mean that therapists can cure
individuals of same-sex attractions. -
5:31 - 5:35That sometimes called
"conversion therapy," -
5:35 - 5:39and study after study has shown
that it does not work, -
5:39 - 5:43and it does immense psychological damage,
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5:43 - 5:48increasing rates of depression,
anxiety, suicide attempts. -
5:49 - 5:53That's why conversion therapy
has been discredited -
5:53 - 5:58by all of these major medical
and psychological associations. -
5:58 - 6:03And it's why all of these former
practitioners of conversion therapy -
6:03 - 6:06have not only shut their own doors,
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6:06 - 6:11but have publicly apologized
to the LGBT community, -
6:11 - 6:16and have joined legal efforts
to ban the use of conversion therapy -
6:16 - 6:18with children and adolescents.
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6:18 - 6:21(Applause)
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6:26 - 6:29So, let there be no misunderstanding:
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6:29 - 6:33although sexual attractions
may fluctuate on their own, -
6:33 - 6:37trying to forcibly eliminate
same-sex attractions -
6:37 - 6:41is ineffective, harmful, and unethical ...
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6:41 - 6:42period.
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6:43 - 6:46(Applause)
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6:47 - 6:53Now, let's move on to the second problem
with the "Born That Way" argument, -
6:53 - 6:55that it's not legally necessary.
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6:56 - 6:58One of the reasons
we keep using this argument -
6:58 - 7:02is to invoke the equal protection
clause of the constitution, -
7:02 - 7:06which prohibits discriminating
against individuals -
7:06 - 7:09on the basis of
their having certain traits. -
7:09 - 7:14Now, how do courts decide
which traits are protected? -
7:14 - 7:18Well, one of the factors
that courts can consider -
7:18 - 7:22is the immutability,
or fixedness, of the trait, -
7:22 - 7:24whether it's an accident of birth,
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7:24 - 7:26like race or sex.
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7:26 - 7:28That's, basically,
the "Born That Way" argument. -
7:29 - 7:31But what many people don't realize
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7:31 - 7:35is that immutability
is not the only factor, -
7:35 - 7:37or even the most important factor,
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7:37 - 7:39that courts can consider
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7:39 - 7:42when deciding whether a trait,
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7:42 - 7:47whether it's sexual orientation
or age or disability, -
7:47 - 7:50merits protection from discrimination.
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7:50 - 7:52And over the past several decades,
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7:52 - 7:56courts have actually devoted
less and less attention -
7:56 - 7:59to the immutability of sexual orientation,
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7:59 - 8:02and more and more attention
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8:02 - 8:06to another key component
of equal protection claims: -
8:06 - 8:13whether discriminating against LGBT
individuals has any rational basis, -
8:13 - 8:19or whether it's just plain old,
unconstitutional hatred and prejudice. -
8:19 - 8:22And that is the basis
on which we have been winning -
8:22 - 8:25our most important battles
for LGBT equality. -
8:26 - 8:29From Romer v. Evans in 1996,
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8:29 - 8:32Lawrence v. Texas in 2003,
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8:32 - 8:36and the two historic
Supreme Court victories -
8:36 - 8:37for same sex marriage.
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8:37 - 8:41So although we keep shouting,
"We are born this way!" -
8:41 - 8:45the courts have been saying,
"We don't care!" -
8:45 - 8:48(Laughter)
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8:49 - 8:52Now, for the third
and most important problem -
8:52 - 8:54with the "Born That Way" argument:
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8:55 - 8:56that it's unjust.
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8:57 - 9:02Keep in mind that we first started using
this argument in the 1960s and 70s -
9:02 - 9:06in response to anti-gay activists
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9:06 - 9:09who said that LGBT individuals
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9:09 - 9:14were choosing an immoral,
deviant, disgusting lifestyle, -
9:14 - 9:17and so we basically deserved to suffer.
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9:18 - 9:20Now, this was over 50 years ago,
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9:20 - 9:24when the hatred of gay people
was much more widespread, -
9:24 - 9:28so it seemed impossible
at the time for us to argue, -
9:28 - 9:34"Hey, we're not disgusting;
we're actually awesome!" -
9:34 - 9:35(Laughter)
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9:35 - 9:37So, instead, we said,
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9:37 - 9:40"We didn't choose this,
we were born this way. -
9:40 - 9:45You can't punish us for something
that is not our fault." -
9:46 - 9:52Now, do you see how
that argument just goes along -
9:52 - 9:57with the notion
that being LGBT is a fault, -
9:57 - 10:01that it's inherently sad and tragic?
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10:01 - 10:03It's like we have this terrible disease,
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10:03 - 10:05and we need to be pitied
instead of punished. -
10:07 - 10:10Thankfully, times have changed,
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10:10 - 10:14and if there is one thing
that LGBT individuals want now, -
10:14 - 10:16it is certainly not pity.
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10:17 - 10:22What we want, what we deserve, is dignity,
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10:22 - 10:26autonomy, self-determination.
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10:26 - 10:30And that is our strongest
argument for equality. -
10:31 - 10:33The "Born That Way" argument
is also unjust -
10:33 - 10:38because it implies that LGBT individuals
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10:38 - 10:41who fit a certain cultural stereotype,
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10:41 - 10:46the ones who have been exclusively gay
for as long as they can possibly remember, -
10:46 - 10:51are somehow more deserving
of acceptance and equality -
10:51 - 10:55than someone who came out at age 60,
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10:55 - 10:57or whose attractions have been more fluid,
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10:57 - 11:01or who is bisexual
rather than exclusively gay. -
11:01 - 11:05There is actually a pretty long
and shameful history -
11:05 - 11:10of dismissing and denying
the experiences of bisexual individuals. -
11:10 - 11:12They are sometimes denigrated
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11:12 - 11:14as not really belonging to
the gay community -
11:14 - 11:19because they sometimes engage
in opposite-sex relationships. -
11:19 - 11:22Now, are you kidding me?
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11:22 - 11:24We're going to slam bisexuals
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11:24 - 11:29for having the audacity
to make their own relationship choices? -
11:30 - 11:34Isn't that exactly what the LGBT community
has been fighting for all this time? -
11:35 - 11:36(Laughter)
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11:36 - 11:39Talk about throwing someone under the bus.
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11:39 - 11:42And you would actually need
a pretty big bus -
11:42 - 11:47because all of these large-scale
population studies have found -
11:47 - 11:52that there are actually more individuals
out there with bisexual attractions -
11:52 - 11:55than exclusive same-sex attractions.
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11:56 - 12:00And the "Born That Way" argument
can really backfire -
12:00 - 12:01when it comes to bisexuals.
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12:02 - 12:04There was a woman in my study
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12:04 - 12:07who came out to her parents
when she was 19, -
12:07 - 12:09when she met her first girlfriend.
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12:09 - 12:12They really struggled with it,
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12:12 - 12:14but they joined the family support group,
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12:14 - 12:19and the leader of that group emphasized,
"Your daughter was just born this way." -
12:19 - 12:22Well, a couple of years later,
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12:22 - 12:25she ended up getting involved with a man,
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12:25 - 12:28and she was actively hiding
this relationship from her parents. -
12:28 - 12:31(Laughter)
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12:31 - 12:33Why?
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12:33 - 12:34She said to me,
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12:34 - 12:36"They only accepted me
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12:36 - 12:39because they thought I couldn't help
but to be with women. -
12:39 - 12:42Now I'm afraid they're going to say,
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12:42 - 12:43'Wait a second.
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12:43 - 12:47All this time, you could
have also been with men? -
12:48 - 12:54If you can choose heterosexuality,
well then that is what you should do.'" -
12:56 - 13:00Needless to say, that is not acceptance.
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13:00 - 13:03And it's certainly not equality.
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13:03 - 13:08In the end, how and why
and when and for how long -
13:08 - 13:10someone is LGBT
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13:10 - 13:14may be fascinating to scientists like me,
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13:14 - 13:16but it should have no bearing
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13:16 - 13:19on whether their parents
love and accept them. -
13:20 - 13:24And it's certainly should have
no bearing on public policy. -
13:24 - 13:28We all deserve acceptance and equality.
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13:28 - 13:31(Applause)
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13:35 - 13:37We all deserve equality,
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13:37 - 13:41whether you're gay
or straight or bi or trans -
13:41 - 13:43or all of the above,
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13:43 - 13:44or none of the above,
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13:44 - 13:48or whether you figured it out
twenty years ago, or one year ago, -
13:48 - 13:50or today, during this talk.
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13:51 - 13:53(Laughter)
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13:53 - 13:56Our genes are not the issue:
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13:57 - 14:00it is our lives that are at stake.
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14:01 - 14:03Either we are a society
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14:03 - 14:08that protects and defends
all individuals' sexual autonomy, -
14:09 - 14:10or we are not.
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14:11 - 14:18So, the next time you're talking to
a friend or a neighbor or a teacher -
14:18 - 14:22or a doctor or a politician or a mother,
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14:22 - 14:23and they say,
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14:24 - 14:29"I support LGBT equality because,
you know, they are born that way," -
14:30 - 14:32I hope that you'll say,
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14:32 - 14:36"I support LGBT equality
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14:36 - 14:40just because it's the right thing to do."
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14:41 - 14:42(Applause)
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14:42 - 14:43Thank you.
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14:43 - 14:46(Applause)
- Title:
- Why the “Born This Way” argument doesn't advance LGBT equality | Dr. Lisa Diamond | TEDxSaltLakeCity
- Description:
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"Lady Gaga has said it. The Pope has said it. But are people really born gay? Lisa Diamond, a professor of psychology and gender studies, deconstructs the ""Born This Way" argument and shows why it doesn't advance LGBT equality.
Lisa Diamond is an author, and a professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah. She studies the expression of sexual attractions and sexual identity over a person's lifetime, and the influences of early life experiences on later sexual development. Professor Diamond is known for her research on sexual fluidity, which describes the capacity for individuals to experience shifts in their pattern of same-sex and other-sex attractions over time. She is co-editor of the APA Handbook of Sexuality and Psychology and is a fellow of two divisions of the APA. She has published over 100 articles and book chapters and has been invited to present her research all over the world. She has received awards from the Developmental Psychology and LGBT Psychology Divisions of the APA, the American Association of University Women, the International Association for Relationship Research, the Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality, and the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at https://www.ted.com/tedx
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