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A new weapon in the fight against superbugs

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    So ... we're in a real live war
    at the moment,
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    and it's a war that we're truly losing.
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    It's a war on superbugs.
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    So you might wonder,
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    if I'm going to talk about superbugs,
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    why I'm showing you a photograph
    of some soccer fans --
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    Liverpool soccer fans
    celebrating a famous victory
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    in Istanbul, a decade ago.
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    In the back, in the red shirt,
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    well, that's me,
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    and next to me in the red hat,
    that's my friend Paul Rice.
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    So a couple of years
    after this picture was taken,
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    Paul went into hospital
    for some minor surgery,
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    and he developed
    a superbug-related infection,
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    and he died.
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    And I was truly shocked.
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    He was a healthy guy in the prime of life.
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    So there and then,
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    and actually with a lot of encouragement
    from a couple of TEDsters,
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    I declared my own
    personal war on superbugs.
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    So let's talk about superbugs
    for a moment.
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    The story actually starts in the 1940s
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    with the widespread
    introduction of antibiotics.
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    And since then,
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    drug-resistant bacteria
    have continued to emerge,
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    and so we've been forced to develop
    newer and newer drugs
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    to fight these new bacteria.
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    And this vicious cycle
    actually is the origin of superbugs,
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    which is simply bacteria
    for which we don't have effective drugs.
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    I'm sure you'll recognize
    at least some of these superbugs.
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    These are the more
    common ones around today.
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    Last year, around 700,000 people died
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    from superbug-related diseases.
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    Looking to the future,
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    if we carry on on the path we're going,
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    which is basically a drugs-based
    approach to the problem,
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    the best estimate
    by the middle of this century
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    is that the worldwide death toll
    from superbugs will be 10 million.
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    10 million.
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    Just to put that in context,
    that's actually more
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    than the number of people
    that died of cancer worldwide last year.
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    So it seems pretty clear
    that we're not on a good road,
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    and the drugs-based approach
    to this problem is not working.
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    I'm a physicist,
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    and so I wondered, could we take
    a physics-based approach --
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    a different approach to this problem.
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    And in that context,
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    the first thing we know for sure,
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    is that we actually know how to kill
    every kind of microbe,
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    every kind of virus,
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    every kind of bacteria.
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    And that's with ultraviolet light.
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    We've actually known this
    for more than 100 years.
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    I think you all know
    what ultraviolet light is.
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    It's part of a spectrum
    that includes infrared,
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    it includes visible light,
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    and the short-wavelength part
    of this group is ultraviolet light.
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    The key thing from our perspective here
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    is that ultraviolet light kills bacteria
    by a completely different mechanism
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    from the way drugs kill bacteria.
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    So ultraviolet light is just as capable
    of killing a drug-resistant bacteria
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    as any other bacteria,
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    and because ultraviolet light
    is so good at killing all bugs,
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    it's actually used a lot these days
    to sterilize rooms,
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    sterilize working surfaces.
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    What you see here is a surgical theater
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    being sterilized with germicidal
    ultraviolet light.
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    But what you don't see
    in this picture, actually,
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    is any people,
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    and there's a very good reason for that.
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    Ultraviolet light
    is actually a health hazard,
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    so it can damage cells in our skin,
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    cause skin cancer,
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    it can damage cells in our eye,
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    cause eye diseases like cataract.
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    So you can't use conventional,
    germicidal, ultraviolet light
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    when there are people are around.
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    And of course,
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    we want to sterilize mostly
    when there are people around.
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    So the ideal ultraviolet light
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    would actually be able
    to kill all bacteria,
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    including superbugs,
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    but would be safe for human exposure.
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    And actually that's where my physics
    background kicked into this story.
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    Together with my physics colleagues,
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    we realized there actually is a particular
    wavelength of ultraviolet light
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    that should kill all bacteria,
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    but should be safe for human exposure.
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    That wavelength is called far-UVC light,
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    and it's just the short-wavelength part
    of the ultraviolet spectrum.
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    So let's see how that would work.
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    What you're seeing here
    is the surface of our skin,
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    and I'm going to superimpose on that
    some bacteria in the air above the skin.
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    Now we're going to see what happens
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    when conventional, germicidal,
    ultraviolet light impinges on this.
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    So what you see is,
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    as we know, germicidal light
    is really good at killing bacteria,
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    but what you also see
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    is that it penetrates
    into the upper layers of our skin,
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    and it can damage
    those key cells in our skin
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    which ultimately, when damaged,
    can lead to skin cancer.
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    So let's compare now with far-UVC light --
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    same situation,
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    skin and some bacteria
    in the air above them.
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    So what you're seeing now
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    is that again, far-UVC light's
    perfectly fine at killing bacteria,
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    but what far-UVC light can't do
    is penetrate into our skin.
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    And there's a good,
    solid physics reason for that:
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    far-UVC light is incredibly, strongly
    absorbed by all biological materials,
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    so it simply can't go very far.
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    Now, viruses and bacteria
    are really, really, really small,
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    so the far-UVC light can certainly
    penetrate them and kill them,
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    but what it can't do
    is penetrate into skin,
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    and it can't even penetrate
    the dead-cell area
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    right at the very surface of our skin.
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    So far-UVC light
    should be able to kill bacteria,
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    but kill them safely.
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    So that's the theory.
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    It should work, should be safe.
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    What about in practice?
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    Does it really work?
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    Is it really safe?
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    So that's actually what our lab
    has been working on
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    the past five or six years,
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    and I'm delighted to say the answer
    to both these questions
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    is an emphatic yes.
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    Yes, it does work,
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    but yes, it is safe.
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    So I'm delighted to say that,
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    but actually I'm not very
    surprised to say that,
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    because it's purely the laws
    of physics at work.
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    So let's look to the future.
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    I'm thrilled that we now have
    a completely new weapon,
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    and I should say an inexpensive weapon,
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    in our fight against superbugs.
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    For example,
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    I see far-UVC lights in surgical theaters.
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    I see far-UVC lights
    in food preparation areas.
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    And in terms of preventing
    the spread of viruses,
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    I see far-UVC lights in schools,
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    preventing the spread of influenza,
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    preventing the spread of measles,
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    and I see far-UVC lights
    in airports or airplanes,
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    preventing the global spread
    of viruses like H1N1 virus.
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    So back to my friend Paul Rice.
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    He was actually a well-known
    and well-loved local politician
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    in his and my hometown of Liverpool,
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    and they put up a statue in his memory
    in the center of Liverpool,
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    and there it is.
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    But me,
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    I want Paul's legacy to be a major advance
    in this war against superbugs.
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    Armed with the power of light,
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    that's actually within our grasp.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
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    Chris Anderson: Stay up here, David,
    I've got a question for you.
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    (Applause)
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    David, tell us where you're up to
    in developing this,
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    and what are the remaining obstacles
    to trying to roll out
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    and realize this dream?
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    David Brenner: Well, I think we now know
    that it kills all bacteria,
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    but we sort of knew
    that before we started,
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    but we certainly tested that.
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    So we have to do lots and lots
    of tests about safety,
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    and so it's more about safety
    than it is about efficacy.
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    And we need to do short-term tests,
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    and we need to do long-term tests
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    to make sure you can't develop
    melanoma many years on.
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    So those studies
    are pretty well done at this point.
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    The FDA of course is something
    we have to deal with,
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    and rightly so,
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    because we certainly can't use this
    in the real world without FDA approval.
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    CA: Are you trying
    to launch first in the US,
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    or somewhere else?
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    DB: Actually, in a couple of countries.
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    In Japan and in the US, both.
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    CA: Have you been able to persuade
    biologists, doctors,
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    that this is a safe approach?
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    DB: Well, as you can imagine,
    there is a certain skepticism
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    because everybody knows
    that UV light is not safe.
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    So when somebody comes along and says,
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    "Well, this particular UV light is safe,"
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    there is a barrier to be crossed,
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    but the data are there,
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    and I think that's what
    we're going to be standing on.
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    CA: Well, we wish you well.
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    This is potentially such important work.
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    Thank you so much
    for sharing this with us.
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    Thank you, David.
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    (Applause)
Title:
A new weapon in the fight against superbugs
Speaker:
David Brenner
Description:

Since the widespread use of antibiotics began in the 1940s, we've tried to develop new drugs faster than bacteria can evolve -- but this strategy isn't working. Drug-resistant bacteria known as superbugs killed nearly 700,000 people last year, and by 2050 that number could be 10 million -- more than cancer kills each year. Can physics help? In a talk from the frontiers of science, radiation scientist David Brenner shares his work studying a potentially life-saving weapon: a wavelength of ultraviolet light known as far-UVC, which can kill superbugs safely, without penetrating our skin. Followed by a Q&A with TED Curator Chris Anderson.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
10:13

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