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Can we all "have it all"?

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    So my moment of truth
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    did not come all at once.
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    In 2010, I had the chance to be considered
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    for promotion from my job
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    as director of policy planning
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    at the U.S. State Department.
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    This was my moment to lean in,
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    to push myself forward
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    for what are really only a handful
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    of the very top foreign policy jobs,
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    and I had just finished a big, 18-month project
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    for Secretary Clinton, successfully,
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    and I knew I could handle a bigger job.
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    The woman I thought I was
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    would have said yes.
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    But I had been commuting for two years
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    between Washington and Princeton, New Jersey,
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    where my husband and my two teenage sons lived,
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    and it was not going well.
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    I tried on the idea of eking out another two years
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    in Washington, or maybe uprooting my sons
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    from their school and my husband from his work
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    and asking them to join me.
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    But deep down, I knew
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    that the right decision was to go home,
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    even if I didn't fully recognize the woman
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    who was making that choice.
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    That was a decision based on love
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    and responsibility.
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    I couldn't keep watching my oldest son
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    make bad choices
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    without being able to be there for him
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    when and if he needed me.
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    But the real change came more gradually.
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    Over the next year,
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    while my family was righting itself,
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    I started to realize
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    that even if I could go back into government,
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    I didn't want to.
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    I didn't want to miss the last five years
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    that my sons were at home.
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    I finally allowed myself to accept
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    what was really most important to me,
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    not what I was conditioned to want
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    or maybe what I conditioned myself to want,
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    and that decision led to a reassessment
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    of the feminist narrative that I grew up with
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    and have always championed.
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    I am still completely committed
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    to the cause of male-female equality,
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    but let's think about what that equality really means,
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    and how best to achieve it.
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    I always accepted the idea
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    that the most respected and powerful people
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    in our society are men at the top of their careers,
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    so that the measure of male-female equality
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    ought to be how many women are in those positions:
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    prime ministers, presidents, CEOs,
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    directors, managers, Nobel laureates, leaders.
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    I still think we should do everything we possibly can
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    to achieve that goal.
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    But that's only half of real equality,
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    and I now think we're never going to get there
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    unless we recognize the other half.
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    I suggest that real equality,
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    full equality,
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    does not just mean valuing women
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    on male terms.
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    It means creating a much wider range
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    of equally respected choices
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    for women and for men.
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    And to get there, we have to change our workplaces,
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    our policies and our culture.
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    In the workplace,
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    real equality means valuing family
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    just as much as work,
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    and understanding that the two reinforce each other.
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    As a leader and as a manager,
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    I have always acted on the mantra,
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    if family comes first,
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    work does not come second --
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    life comes together.
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    If you work for me, and you have a family issue,
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    I expect you to attend to it,
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    and I am confident,
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    and my confidence has always been borne out,
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    that the work will get done, and done better.
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    Workers who have a reason to get home
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    to care for their children or their family members
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    are more focused, more efficient,
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    more results-focused.
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    And breadwinners who are also caregivers
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    have a much wider range
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    of experiences and contacts.
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    Think about a lawyer who spends part of his time
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    at school events for his kids
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    talking to other parents.
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    He's much more likely to bring in
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    new clients for his firm
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    than a lawyer who never leaves his office.
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    And caregiving itself
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    develops patience --
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    a lot of patience --
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    and empathy, creativity, resilience, adaptability.
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    Those are all attributes that are ever more important
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    in a high-speed, horizontal,
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    networked global economy.
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    The best companies actually know this.
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    The companies that win awards
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    for workplace flexibility in the United States
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    include some of our most successful corporations,
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    and a 2008 national study
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    on the changing workforce
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    showed that employees
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    in flexible and effective workplaces
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    are more engaged with their work,
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    they're more satisfied and more loyal,
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    they have lower levels of stress
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    and higher levels of mental health.
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    And a 2012 study of employers
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    showed that deep, flexible practices
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    actually lowered operating costs
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    and increased adaptability
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    in a global service economy.
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    So you may think
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    that the privileging of work over family
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    is only an American problem.
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    Sadly, though, the obsession with work
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    is no longer a uniquely American disease.
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    Twenty years ago,
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    when my family first started going to Italy,
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    we used to luxuriate in the culture of siesta.
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    Siesta is not just about avoiding the heat of the day.
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    It's actually just as much
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    about embracing the warmth of a family lunch.
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    Now, when we go, fewer and fewer businesses
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    close for siesta,
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    reflecting the advance of global corporations
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    and 24-hour competition.
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    So making a place for those we love
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    is actually a global imperative.
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    In policy terms,
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    real equality means recognizing
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    that the work that women have traditionally done
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    is just as important
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    as the work that men have traditionally done,
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    no matter who does it.
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    Think about it: Breadwinning and caregiving
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    are equally necessary for human survival.
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    At least if we get beyond a barter economy,
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    somebody has to earn an income
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    and someone else has to convert that income
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    to care and sustenance for loved ones.
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    Now most of you, when you hear me
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    talk about breadwinning and caregiving,
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    instinctively translate those categories
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    into men's work and women's work.
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    And we don't typically challenge
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    why men's work is advantaged.
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    But consider a same-sex couple
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    like my friends Sarah and Emily.
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    They're psychiatrists.
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    They got married five years ago,
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    and now they have two-year-old twins.
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    They love being mothers,
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    but they also love their work,
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    and they're really good at what they do.
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    So how are they going to divide up
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    breadwinning and caregiving responsibilities?
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    Should one of them stop working
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    or reduce hours to be home?
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    Or should they both change their practices
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    so they can have much more flexible schedules?
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    And what criteria should they use
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    to make that decision?
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    Is it who makes the most money
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    or who is most committed to her career?
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    Or who has the most flexible boss?
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    The same-sex perspective helps us see
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    that juggling work and family
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    are not women's problems,
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    they're family problems.
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    And Sarah and Emily are the lucky ones,
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    because they have a choice
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    about how much they want to work.
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    Millions of men and women
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    have to be both breadwinners and caregivers
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    just to earn the income they need,
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    and many of those workers are scrambling.
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    They're patching together care arrangements
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    that are inadequate
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    and often actually unsafe.
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    If breadwinning and caregiving are really equal,
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    then why shouldn't a government
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    invest as much in an infrastructure of care
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    as the foundation of a healthy society
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    as it invests in physical infrastructure
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    as the backbone of a successful economy?
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    The governments that get it --
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    no surprises here --
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    the governments that get it,
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    Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands,
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    provide universal child care,
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    support for caregivers at home,
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    school and early childhood education,
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    protections for pregnant women,
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    and care for the elderly and the disabled.
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    Those governments invest in that infrastructure
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    the same way they invest in roads and bridges
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    and tunnels and trains.
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    Those societies also show you
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    that breadwinning and caregiving
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    reinforce each other.
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    They routinely rank among the top 15 countries
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    of the most globally competitive economies,
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    but at the same time,
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    they rank very high on the OECD Better Life Index.
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    In fact, they rank higher than other governments,
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    like my own, the U.S., or Switzerland,
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    that have higher average levels of income
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    but lower rankings on work-life balance.
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    So changing our workplaces
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    and building infrastructures of care
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    would make a big difference,
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    but we're not going to get equally valued choices
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    unless we change our culture,
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    and the kind of cultural change required
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    means re-socializing men.
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    (Applause)
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    Increasingly in developed countries,
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    women are socialized to believe that our place
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    is no longer only in the home,
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    but men are actually still where they always were.
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    Men are still socialized to believe
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    that they have to be breadwinners,
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    that to derive their self-worth
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    from how high they can climb over other men
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    on a career ladder.
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    The feminist revolution still has a long way to go.
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    It's certainly not complete.
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    But 60 years after
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    "The Feminine
    Mystique" was published,
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    many women actually have
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    more choices than men do.
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    We can decide to be a breadwinner,
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    a caregiver, or any combination of the two.
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    When a man, on the other hand,
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    decides to be a caregiver,
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    he puts his manhood on the line.
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    His friends may praise his decision,
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    but underneath, they're scratching their heads.
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    Isn't the measure of a man
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    his willingness to compete with other men
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    for power and prestige?
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    And as many women hold that view as men do.
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    We know that lots of women
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    still judge the attractiveness of a man
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    based in large part on how successful he is
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    in his career.
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    A woman can drop out of the work force
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    and still be an attractive partner.
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    For a man, that's a risky proposition.
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    So as parents and partners,
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    we should be socializing our sons
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    and our husbands
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    to be whatever they want to be,
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    either caregivers or breadwinners.
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    We should be socializing them to make caregiving
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    cool for guys.
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    (Applause)
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    I can almost hear lots of you thinking, "No way."
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    But in fact, the change is
    actually already happening.
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    At least in the United States,
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    lots of men take pride in cooking,
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    and frankly obsess over stoves.
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    They are in the birthing rooms.
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    They take paternity leave when they can.
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    They can walk a baby or soothe a toddler
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    just as well as their wives can,
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    and they are increasingly
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    doing much more of the housework.
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    Indeed, there are male college students now
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    who are starting to say,
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    "I want to be a stay-at-home dad."
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    That was completely unthinkable
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    50 or even 30 years ago.
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    And in Norway, where men have
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    an automatic three month's paternity leave,
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    but they lose it if they decide not to take it,
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    a high government official told me
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    that companies are starting to look
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    at prospective male employees
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    and raise an eyebrow if they didn't in fact
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    take their leave when they had kids.
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    That means that it's starting to seem
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    like a character defect
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    not to want to be a fully engaged father.
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    So I was raised
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    to believe that championing women's rights
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    meant doing everything we could
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    to get women to the top.
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    And I still hope that I live long enough
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    to see men and women equally represented
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    at all levels of the work force.
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    But I've come to believe that we have to value family
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    every bit as much as we value work,
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    and that we should entertain the idea
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    that doing right by those we love
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    will make all of us better at everything we do.
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    Thirty years ago, Carol Gilligan,
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    a wonderful psychologist, studied adolescent girls
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    and identified an ethic of care,
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    an element of human nature every bit as important
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    as the ethic of justice.
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    It turns out that "you don't care"
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    is just as much a part of who we are
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    as "that's not fair."
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    Bill Gates agrees.
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    He argues that the two great forces of human nature
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    are self-interest and caring for others.
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    Let's bring them both together.
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    Let's make the feminist revolution
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    a humanist revolution.
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    As whole human beings,
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    we will be better caregivers and breadwinners.
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    You may think that can't happen,
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    but I grew up in a society
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    where my mother put out small vases
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    of cigarettes for dinner parties,
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    where blacks and whites used separate bathrooms,
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    and where everybody claimed to be heterosexual.
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    Today, not so much.
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    The revolution for human equality
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    can happen.
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    It is happening.
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    It will happen.
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    How far and how fast is up to us.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Can we all "have it all"?
Speaker:
Anne-Marie Slaughter
Description:

Public policy expert Anne-Marie Slaughter made waves with her 2012 article, "Why women still can't have it all." But really, is this only a question for women? Here Slaughter expands her ideas and explains why shifts in work culture, public policy and social mores can lead to more equality — for men, women, all of us.

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Video Language:
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Duration:
17:11
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