Protecting the Amazon Rainforest
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0:04 - 0:08- So Marcelo, here we have the Amazon map
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0:08 - 0:12that shows us the deforestation data of the area,
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0:12 - 0:15which you are showing to us,
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0:15 - 0:18I would like to estabilish a relationship between those informations
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0:18 - 0:21and the theme we are working on now, that is 'evidence and influence'.
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0:21 - 0:23How do you think these two things are related?
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0:23 - 0:25Do you have any thoughts on this subject?
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0:25 - 0:28- This is a work made by satellite images
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0:28 - 0:32And you are, nowadays, able to measure, for example,
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0:32 - 0:35how much forest we have lost.
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0:35 - 0:39Even though, we have lost too much of forest,
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0:39 - 0:44we still have.. This is the most part of the remain in the planet.
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0:44 - 0:50And it is essential for several 'environmental services', mainly,
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0:50 - 0:52those related to climate, for example,
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0:52 - 0:57the steam, and its export for other regions,
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0:57 - 1:00The evidence, this map evidence,
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1:00 - 1:04brings another evidence, which we cannot be seen
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1:04 - 1:09in here... not in this map scale,
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1:09 - 1:13That is the 'forest degradation',
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1:13 - 1:15it is not the total deforestation, but
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1:15 - 1:18is the lumber of some threes...
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1:18 - 1:23- So, 'forest degradation' is actually about specific species?
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1:23 - 1:28- Exactly, specific species, for example, for lumber industry... Coal..
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1:28 - 1:31That is, other species are used for the coal industries.
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1:31 - 1:35We still have coal industry in Brazil which
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1:35 - 1:38produces 'big iron' and is cleaning
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1:38 - 1:45the forest that remains in some regiond, mainly in the region of Pará state.
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1:45 - 1:46...
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1:46 - 1:51Beneath this scenario of destruction,
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1:51 - 1:54We have a very bad scenario of violence...
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1:54 - 2:01In Fact, there is a big issue in Amazon nowadays
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2:01 - 2:04is the rivalry for resources,
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2:04 - 2:10this rivalry often involves violence.
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2:10 - 2:13As you can see on this map, for example,
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2:13 - 2:16this is a map that shows protected regions
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2:16 - 2:21We have several protected areas and we have indigenous territories.
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2:21 - 2:24Those indigenous territories,
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2:24 - 2:28the indigenous are able to protect,
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2:28 - 2:30it is not the same with the 'protected areas' and
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2:30 - 2:35in Brazil, like in other South American countries,
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2:35 - 2:37There are protected areas that are for
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2:37 - 2:40the local communities, for their survival.
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2:40 - 2:45Those communities are too much vulnerable.
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2:45 - 2:49The areas are there, but there is no governance.
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2:49 - 2:52The government is not there giving conditions to the people,
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2:52 - 2:55Then, we have different examples... I..
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2:55 - 3:00I've lost one of my friends here, José Cláudio and Maria, his wife..
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3:00 - 3:03She was killed because she was with him,
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3:03 - 3:05- Where did it happen?
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3:05 - 3:10- It happened in 'Nova Pichuna', in Pará state, in 2011, after....
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3:10 - 3:17Four moths after his interview in a TEDx,
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3:17 - 3:20telling that he was under death threat.
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3:20 - 3:23Why did he die? He died because He used to guard the forest,
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3:23 - 3:26his piece of land, he used to lived there
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3:26 - 3:29in the tiny piece of land, with 100 hectares.
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3:29 - 3:34But lumbermen and farms are looking for....,
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3:34 - 3:37the lumbermen are looking for the wood,
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3:37 - 3:42they want to cut down all the small areas, that belong to the local cultivators.
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3:42 - 3:47That areas 'settlements', in fact, for the local sustainable development. And the farmers
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3:47 - 3:51want either to rent the land and create cattle..
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3:51 - 3:54Putting lots of lands together as they were a big farm..
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3:54 - 4:00either cast out the local cultivators and take their properties.
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4:00 - 4:05He(my friend) was denouncing this and He has been killed because of this.
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4:05 - 4:08- And lots of people felt the death of José Cláudio, isn't?
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4:08 - 4:12- Yes. - People from the whole country were moved....
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4:12 - 4:15- Exactly. - It is very hard to see threats like this to
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4:15 - 4:17freedom of speech and to political activism.
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4:17 - 4:20I've recently heard a description from
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4:20 - 4:23José Cláudio murders' judgement and
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4:23 - 4:30The politics in this region of Brazil works...
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4:30 - 4:40... really locally and it is not really understood from other regions of the country,
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4:40 - 4:44In where I live, I do not get a lot of this dynamics.
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4:44 - 4:46- José Cláudio story is a emblematic case,
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4:46 - 4:51because the fact the He was in a TEDx,
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4:51 - 4:57made him more well known,
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4:57 - 5:01More like a public figure, it is on internet,
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5:01 - 5:05several people have heard his story.
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5:05 - 5:09Like him, we have a lot of leaders who
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5:09 - 5:13are been killed, are continuously been killed. Other people have been killed after him,
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5:13 - 5:16but those people are not shown. So, the 'evidence', I think,
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5:16 - 5:23is also in turning public these stories of people who are dying....
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5:23 - 5:27- And the fact that tahre already is a work in the sense to bring... Uhmm...
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5:27 - 5:30like, in the case of José Cláudio that was more well known,
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5:30 - 5:32and, unfortunately, It was not possible to avoid it. Isn't It?
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5:32 - 5:36- No. - Actually, I want to ask you about it...
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5:36 - 5:41We have information and We are able to point out the problem,
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5:41 - 5:45How could we invert the dynamics and use the information we have
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5:45 - 5:49in order to be more active in this region, in the Amazon issue?
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5:49 - 5:53- I think that, actually, We have the information, but
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5:53 - 5:55It is not used as It should be.
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5:55 - 5:59We should show more this, make pressure on the government.
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5:59 - 6:03The government knows... the 'comissão pastoral da terra',
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6:03 - 6:07an organization administrated by the catholic church has a list of people under danger.
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6:07 - 6:12If you take this list you can check like this: this one is dead, this is dead, dead....
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6:12 - 6:15And this is unacceptable! -This is, in fact, unacceptable!
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6:15 - 6:20- And not just the government, but also society have to do something about it.
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6:20 - 6:25When we think about 'the government',we think just about the executive government, but,
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6:25 - 6:32what about the legal? Less then 1% of these leaders murders cases are solved.
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6:32 - 6:36We have to change these figures.
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6:36 - 6:39- But what happened? Are they waiting judgments?
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6:39 - 6:42Do these case never turn into court cases?
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6:42 - 6:46- Policy is not able to gather enough proofs,
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6:46 - 6:50there are evidence of corruption in both policy and in the judiciary,
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6:50 - 6:55usually, the prosecutors who accuse are not good,
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6:55 - 6:59they are not able to accomplish the prosecution.
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6:59 - 7:04Then, It is not possible to point the masterminds of the crimes, mainly, or the murders.
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7:04 - 7:08- And It was what happened in the case of José Cláudio, right? -Yes, it was exactly what happened.
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7:08 - 7:11what happened in the case of José Cláudio.
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7:11 - 7:13And the same happened in an even more well known case, that is the case od Sister Dorothy.
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7:13 - 7:17In 2005, Sister Dorothy has been killed.
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7:17 - 7:24A Sister... ...Uhmm.. It is hard to talk about it.. because..
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7:24 - 7:29She was 70 years old...
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7:29 - 7:32... She was a friend...
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7:32 - 7:36And she has been killed with the Bible in hands, You know?
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7:36 - 7:40We are aware of who are the masterminds..
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7:40 - 7:43- And Is not it possible to gather proofs...? -Just one of them has been indicted,
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7:43 - 7:49and that is really sad, You know? We cannot accept that! loosing friends, and....
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7:49 - 7:58- And they are people who are important to keep this world's treasure! That is unacceptable!
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7:58 - 8:06- It is a country where a 70 years old lady, a Sister, a nun died and
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8:06 - 8:12It is not possible to catch who really are the masterminds...
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8:12 - 8:15In the Amazon we call 'consortium'...
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8:15 - 8:16... usually, people are killed by a 'consortium'...
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8:16 - 8:20...The most well known people, those who really generate problems,
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8:20 - 8:22the real troubles makers for
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8:22 - 8:26the ones who work illegally...
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8:26 - 8:33... What they do is a 'consortium', between several farmers, loggers... and whoever..
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8:33 - 8:35They get together to pay the murders... and
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8:35 - 8:37...one member of the consortium is selected to
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8:37 - 8:41be pointed as indicted in case the policy achieve to find what happened.
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8:41 - 8:44That is what is happening there, so...
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8:44 - 8:47There still are lots of people being threated,
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8:47 - 8:51things are better in some areas.. But there still are too much issues...
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8:51 - 8:56I think that we while actvistics should show it up even more...
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8:56 - 9:02José Cláudio was just one more, and a journalist decided
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9:02 - 9:08bring him to TEDx and show his face, due to this
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9:08 - 9:13It was possible for us to call people attention to his case
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9:13 - 9:15and at least arrest the murders..
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9:15 - 9:18If it was not like thate He would have been just someone else in the statistic,
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9:18 - 9:23So, I believe that 'evidence' brings light to what is happening and is essential.
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9:23 - 9:31- And, You know how It is like in loco, righ?
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9:31 - 9:37How do you think local people deal this Amazon issue,
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9:37 - 9:39that involves politics, deforestation...
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9:39 - 9:45- Those people understand what they are doing pretty well,
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9:45 - 9:52They know They are protecting social and human rights...
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9:52 - 9:54And also the environment,
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9:54 - 10:00most part understand the line between the environment and people.
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10:00 - 10:03There is not such thing as a rupture between these two things.
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10:03 - 10:06Like some farmers think there is, and
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10:06 - 10:08face the forest as a trammers for them,
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10:08 - 10:12For them, in order to develop It is necessery to take this trammer off.
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10:12 - 10:17Another thing is that most people know are awere
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10:17 - 10:21They are under danger, but they insist in stay there
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10:21 - 10:23and keep in protecting there area.
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10:23 - 10:29This is a problem, not evereybody agrees in protect themselfs, You know?
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10:29 - 10:32- And we keep in touch with lots of people
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10:32 - 10:34from international organizations, people
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10:34 - 10:37worried in promoting human rights,
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10:37 - 10:39They deal with new technologies,
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10:39 - 10:43and are having, through this video, the opportunity to
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10:43 - 10:46talk to these international organizations,
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10:46 - 10:49How could these international organizations help to transform
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10:49 - 10:52this reality that is so clear for those who work in there,
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10:52 - 10:55and make a political action more eficient, defending people from the violence and
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10:55 - 11:00in the deforestation issue and Amazon protection?
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11:00 - 11:03- I think that they could help local organization
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11:03 - 11:05that are already there and are working in order to reduce the violence,
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11:05 - 11:09They could give voice to them.
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11:09 - 11:15Help people hear and pay attetion at what is happening there.
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11:15 - 11:18So, there are several local organizations,
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11:18 - 11:23even the 'Comissão Pastoral da Terra', C.P.T. is one of them
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11:23 - 11:25and It could be contacted in onder to list
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11:25 - 11:28other local organizations.
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11:28 - 11:32And this situation does not happen just in Brazil, It also happens in Peru.
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11:32 - 11:37- And for those who are not in Brazil,
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11:37 - 11:44in the sense to gather information on internet...
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11:44 - 11:48What would be the best first step?
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11:48 - 11:50There are these local organizations.. there are....
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11:50 - 11:54- There are these organizations, they have the data,
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11:54 - 12:00the government... But, It is hard to gather the information available.
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12:00 - 12:02- Mainly, for those who are abroad, isn't it?
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12:02 - 12:06- The Brazilian Public Prosecutor also has
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12:06 - 12:10a list of people under danger in the region.
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12:10 - 12:15The point is that there is not any program. You know?
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12:15 - 12:21in the direction of the disclosure of the information, so,
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12:21 - 12:29organize the information would also be a way of make a difference.
- Title:
- Protecting the Amazon Rainforest
- Description:
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A very important world heritage, that is the Amazon rain forest is under danger. In this video the threats in the region are exposed, understand what is going on, the issues, the importance of the forest and the situation of people who depend on their resources could help us to help them to preserve this treasure.
- Video Language:
- Portuguese, Brazilian
- Team:
- EngageMedia
- Duration:
- 12:34
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