Coding Clinic Advice: Endoscopic Banding of Esophageal Varices (Q4 2013)
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0:01 - 0:04Next, we have a rather complex question.
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0:04 - 0:07And you can tell because the next six
slides are gonna be devoted to both -
0:07 - 0:08the question and the answer.
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0:08 - 0:10So let's go through this slowly.
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0:10 - 0:12And it starts with a clinical situation.
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0:12 - 0:15A patient with hematemesis presents for
an EGD. -
0:17 - 0:21The patient is found to have esophageal
varices, and therefore, ligation of those -
0:21 - 0:29esophageal varices is performed using
bands placed via a band ligation device. -
0:29 - 0:31The question starts out by saying,
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0:31 - 0:36what is the appropriate ICD-10-PCS
body system for esophageal varices, -
0:36 - 0:41is it the gastrointestinal system or
is it lower veins? -
0:41 - 0:46And right off the bat it gives you pause
because that's a very odd question for -
0:46 - 0:48Coding Clinic to be asking.
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0:50 - 0:54The questioner goes on to point out,
in ICD-10-PCS, -
0:54 - 0:58ligation is coded to the root
operation occlusion. -
0:58 - 1:03Therefore, if we use table 06L, and
you'll recall from your training, -
1:03 - 1:09that 0 is the med-surg section,
6 is lower veins, and L is occlusion. -
1:09 - 1:13If we use 06L for
occlusion of the lower veins, -
1:13 - 1:17there is the appropriate body part and
a device value for the bands. -
1:17 - 1:22I wanna stop right there and say, one
of the questions everyone has is you're -
1:22 - 1:26talking about the esophageal vein, why
would it be classified as a lower vein? -
1:26 - 1:31Because we know that the rule is the
dividing point in the body for upper and -
1:31 - 1:33lower is the diaphragm.
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1:33 - 1:35And the fact of the matter
is that oddly enough, -
1:35 - 1:40if you look it up, the esophageal
vein originates below the diaphragm. -
1:40 - 1:43Hence, making it technically a lower vein.
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1:43 - 1:47And that's not a point that we
get to debate, that's part of -
1:47 - 1:51ICD-10 structure and Coding Clinic,
in fact, supports that. -
1:52 - 1:57However, there's two problems with this
supposition made by the questioner. -
1:57 - 1:59However, there is no approach value for
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1:59 - 2:03via natural or
artificial opening endoscopic. -
2:03 - 2:06However, if we use 0DL, the table for
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2:06 - 2:12occlusion of the gastrointestinal system
and use esophagus for the body part, -
2:12 - 2:16there is the appropriate approach value,
but there was no device option. -
2:16 - 2:17So here's the real question.
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2:18 - 2:22What is the appropriate
ICD-10-PCS code assignment for -
2:22 - 2:25endoscopic banding of esophageal varices,
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2:25 - 2:28given the problems posed by
the person presenting the question? -
2:30 - 2:32And you know that you're in a little
bit of trouble when, in the course of -
2:32 - 2:40answering the question, Coding Clinic
starts out by giving an anatomy lesson. -
2:40 - 2:43Esophageal varices are enlarged
veins of the esophagus, -
2:43 - 2:47which can spontaneously rupture and
cause severe bleeding. -
2:47 - 2:51Endoscopic banding of these esophageal
varices involves completely occluding -
2:51 - 2:56the blood flow and meets the root
definition of the operation occlusion. -
2:56 - 3:01The lumen of the esophageal vein is
being banded, not the esophagus. -
3:01 - 3:04So you start to get a sense of
the direction that they're going in with -
3:04 - 3:04their answer.
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3:04 - 3:09The index under ligation states,
see occlusion. -
3:09 - 3:12And this is actually a good time to
point out that the index in the PCS -
3:12 - 3:16classification is really
an exquisite document. -
3:16 - 3:19It does a lot of translation
of things as you see here. -
3:19 - 3:22Turning ligation,
if you don't know the root operation, -
3:22 - 3:24sending you to see occlusion.
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3:24 - 3:25But here is the answer.
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3:26 - 3:30Assign the following ICD-10-PCS code.
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3:30 - 3:3506L34CZ, 0 is the med-surg section,
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3:35 - 3:406 is the lower vain, L is occlusion,
3 is the esophageal vein, -
3:40 - 3:444 is the approach percutaneous endoscopic,
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3:44 - 3:49C tells us the device the bands and Z,
tells us that there is no qualifier. -
3:50 - 3:56The next paragraph goes on to
defend the answer, the ICD-10-PCS -
3:56 - 4:01tables currently do not use
approaches containing the phrase, -
4:01 - 4:06via natural or artificial opening, for
body parts in the cardiovascular system. -
4:06 - 4:11And basically what this paragraph tells us
is that there is an oversight in the PCS -
4:11 - 4:17classification that doesn't allow us to
code this one correctly using ICD-10-PCS. -
4:17 - 4:21The answer goes on to point out
that the use of this approach for -
4:21 - 4:26blood vessel body parts could change over
time if requests for additional codes -
4:26 - 4:32are made through the ICD-10-PCS
Coordination and Maintenance process. -
4:32 - 4:38Basically the answer that's being provided
to us is that because there is no code, -
4:38 - 4:43the advice is to use the wrong code
until the problem is corrected. -
4:43 - 4:47Not unlike the discussion we had
about diabetes a little bit earlier. -
4:47 - 4:52And I reiterate that, well, this is mostly
to bring these problems to your attention. -
4:52 - 4:57And, again, I completely mean that this is
not a criticism of the classification per -
4:57 - 5:01se but I wanna bring these to your
attention because this like diabetes -
5:01 - 5:04that we talked about earlier,
a common link with ketoacidosis, -
5:04 - 5:07a commonly reported condition.
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5:07 - 5:10This is going to be a commonly
reported procedure and -
5:10 - 5:16we need to have a means by which to report
it until the situation gets corrected. -
5:16 - 5:20But as your curious coders would always
do, you would run these codes through -
5:20 - 5:23the grouper to see what
the reimbursement implications might be. -
5:23 - 5:30In ICD-9, you see what the codes are,
you recognize those alcoholic cirrhosis, -
5:30 - 5:36bleeding esophageal varices,
which is a major comorbid condition, -
5:36 - 5:42endoscopic ligation of esophageal varices,
procedure code 42.33, -
5:42 - 5:46giving you a reasonable weight of 1.7150.
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5:46 - 5:50But if you run these same codes through
the ICD-10 grouper, this is what you get, -
5:50 - 5:53you get DRG 981 that has
a cost weight of 4.9. -
5:53 - 5:57Bit of an aberration, but
wanted to bring that to your attention. -
5:57 - 6:02Also wanted to comment that this
was done using grouper version -
6:02 - 6:0731 that is currently available
to look up ICD-10 codes. -
6:07 - 6:11We're told that there is a version 31r,
a revised -
6:12 - 6:16version of the ICD-10 grouper,
that's due out any day. -
6:16 - 6:20I would recommend, and I will certainly
personally check this out to see if this -
6:20 - 6:23is one of the groupings that
will be revised at that point. -
6:23 - 6:24But I do wanna bring
that to your attention.
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