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Coding Clinic Advice: Endoscopic Banding of Esophageal Varices (Q4 2013)

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    Next, we have a rather complex question.
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    And you can tell because the next six
    slides are gonna be devoted to both
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    the question and the answer.
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    So let's go through this slowly.
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    And it starts with a clinical situation.
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    A patient with hematemesis presents for
    an EGD.
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    The patient is found to have esophageal
    varices, and therefore, ligation of those
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    esophageal varices is performed using
    bands placed via a band ligation device.
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    The question starts out by saying,
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    what is the appropriate ICD-10-PCS
    body system for esophageal varices,
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    is it the gastrointestinal system or
    is it lower veins?
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    And right off the bat it gives you pause
    because that's a very odd question for
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    Coding Clinic to be asking.
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    The questioner goes on to point out,
    in ICD-10-PCS,
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    ligation is coded to the root
    operation occlusion.
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    Therefore, if we use table 06L, and
    you'll recall from your training,
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    that 0 is the med-surg section,
    6 is lower veins, and L is occlusion.
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    If we use 06L for
    occlusion of the lower veins,
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    there is the appropriate body part and
    a device value for the bands.
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    I wanna stop right there and say, one
    of the questions everyone has is you're
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    talking about the esophageal vein, why
    would it be classified as a lower vein?
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    Because we know that the rule is the
    dividing point in the body for upper and
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    lower is the diaphragm.
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    And the fact of the matter
    is that oddly enough,
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    if you look it up, the esophageal
    vein originates below the diaphragm.
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    Hence, making it technically a lower vein.
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    And that's not a point that we
    get to debate, that's part of
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    ICD-10 structure and Coding Clinic,
    in fact, supports that.
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    However, there's two problems with this
    supposition made by the questioner.
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    However, there is no approach value for
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    via natural or
    artificial opening endoscopic.
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    However, if we use 0DL, the table for
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    occlusion of the gastrointestinal system
    and use esophagus for the body part,
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    there is the appropriate approach value,
    but there was no device option.
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    So here's the real question.
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    What is the appropriate
    ICD-10-PCS code assignment for
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    endoscopic banding of esophageal varices,
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    given the problems posed by
    the person presenting the question?
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    And you know that you're in a little
    bit of trouble when, in the course of
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    answering the question, Coding Clinic
    starts out by giving an anatomy lesson.
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    Esophageal varices are enlarged
    veins of the esophagus,
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    which can spontaneously rupture and
    cause severe bleeding.
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    Endoscopic banding of these esophageal
    varices involves completely occluding
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    the blood flow and meets the root
    definition of the operation occlusion.
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    The lumen of the esophageal vein is
    being banded, not the esophagus.
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    So you start to get a sense of
    the direction that they're going in with
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    their answer.
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    The index under ligation states,
    see occlusion.
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    And this is actually a good time to
    point out that the index in the PCS
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    classification is really
    an exquisite document.
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    It does a lot of translation
    of things as you see here.
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    Turning ligation,
    if you don't know the root operation,
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    sending you to see occlusion.
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    But here is the answer.
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    Assign the following ICD-10-PCS code.
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    06L34CZ, 0 is the med-surg section,
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    6 is the lower vain, L is occlusion,
    3 is the esophageal vein,
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    4 is the approach percutaneous endoscopic,
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    C tells us the device the bands and Z,
    tells us that there is no qualifier.
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    The next paragraph goes on to
    defend the answer, the ICD-10-PCS
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    tables currently do not use
    approaches containing the phrase,
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    via natural or artificial opening, for
    body parts in the cardiovascular system.
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    And basically what this paragraph tells us
    is that there is an oversight in the PCS
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    classification that doesn't allow us to
    code this one correctly using ICD-10-PCS.
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    The answer goes on to point out
    that the use of this approach for
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    blood vessel body parts could change over
    time if requests for additional codes
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    are made through the ICD-10-PCS
    Coordination and Maintenance process.
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    Basically the answer that's being provided
    to us is that because there is no code,
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    the advice is to use the wrong code
    until the problem is corrected.
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    Not unlike the discussion we had
    about diabetes a little bit earlier.
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    And I reiterate that, well, this is mostly
    to bring these problems to your attention.
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    And, again, I completely mean that this is
    not a criticism of the classification per
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    se but I wanna bring these to your
    attention because this like diabetes
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    that we talked about earlier,
    a common link with ketoacidosis,
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    a commonly reported condition.
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    This is going to be a commonly
    reported procedure and
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    we need to have a means by which to report
    it until the situation gets corrected.
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    But as your curious coders would always
    do, you would run these codes through
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    the grouper to see what
    the reimbursement implications might be.
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    In ICD-9, you see what the codes are,
    you recognize those alcoholic cirrhosis,
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    bleeding esophageal varices,
    which is a major comorbid condition,
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    endoscopic ligation of esophageal varices,
    procedure code 42.33,
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    giving you a reasonable weight of 1.7150.
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    But if you run these same codes through
    the ICD-10 grouper, this is what you get,
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    you get DRG 981 that has
    a cost weight of 4.9.
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    Bit of an aberration, but
    wanted to bring that to your attention.
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    Also wanted to comment that this
    was done using grouper version
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    31 that is currently available
    to look up ICD-10 codes.
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    We're told that there is a version 31r,
    a revised
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    version of the ICD-10 grouper,
    that's due out any day.
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    I would recommend, and I will certainly
    personally check this out to see if this
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    is one of the groupings that
    will be revised at that point.
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    But I do wanna bring
    that to your attention.
Title:
Coding Clinic Advice: Endoscopic Banding of Esophageal Varices (Q4 2013)
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Coding Clinic, published by AHA Central Office, is the official publication endorsed by CMS for coding guidelines and advice. Coding Clinic provides specific information and guidelines that are helpful for determining proper coding.

These videos by Barry Libman, MS, RHIA, CDIP, CCS, CCS-P, offer a discussion of selected topics from recent issues of Coding Clinic (both ICD-9 and ICD-10). (Lectures were recorded during the 2014 GHIMA Annual Meeting and Exhibit on 8/21/2014.)

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Duration:
06:30

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