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Mack: In what way is it appropriate
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to address a professing believer
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who appears to be a false convert?
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Nate: Preach the Gospel to them.
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I mean, we kind of answered that
a little bit a few minutes ago,
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but I think you're making a judgment
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about another person's faith.
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They seem to be a false convert.
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I don't know. I've interacted
with folks before
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that they say they were a Christian.
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There were some things in their
life that don't seem to add up.
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To a certain degree - not all the way -
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but I'm going to talk
to them as a believer
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and impress on them the same mandates
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that any other believer would have.
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Well, you know, when you're
in your prayer closet,
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when you're repenting of your sin,
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how's your walk?
How's your faith in Christ?
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And you just bear down on them
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with a Spirit-filled mandate
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to do the things that believers do.
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But again, opportunities to just
share the Gospel again with them
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because I guess if you're being made aware
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of the possibility,
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you're finding out some way,
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in some sinful way or some
gap in their testimony,
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there are opportunities to tell them:
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well, I've noticed this about you.
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Well, that's interesting, you know.
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You impress them on it.
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I mean, I don't think we have
any reason to hold back
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and press on them and say,
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well, if you're a Christian,
then this is true for you.
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And if at a certain point, they say,
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well, I don't know if I am a Christian,
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then you can say let's
address that problem too.
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I had a husband and wife -
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the husband professed to be a believer
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for twenty years or whatever.
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Eventually, it was deemed pretty obvious
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that he was not a believer.
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And one of our counseling sessions
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toward the end before they ended up
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getting a divorce - a biblical,
sadly, divorce, he said,
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"Well, I don't even know if I'm a
Christian anymore. I don't even know."
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I said, well, I'm glad
you're being honest.
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And then began to minister and tell him
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what the Gospel was again
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and call him to repentance and faith.
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And to this day, I still pray
he does come to faith.
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But I don't think it changes much.
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You just have to see through
some of the subterfuge.
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Hope that's helpful.
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Mack: Any added comments?
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Jesse: We're looking for evidences of life
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and I think we have to distinguish between
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evidences of life in Christ versus
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maturity in life in Christ.
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So we need to be careful here.
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So I would affirm everything
you just said, brother.
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And then I would add:
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make sure you're not looking
for maturity in Christ
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versus evidences of life in Christ.
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And that can be hard to
distinguish and take time.
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You don't want to discourage
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a genuine, fragile believer
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by telling them they're not saved.
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That's not your role.
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And so be careful in that.
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Tim: In 1 Thessalonians 5,
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you have some people in the church
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specifically identified as being
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unruly, weak, faint.
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And I've often wondered,
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if we had the most unruly
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or the most weak Christian that ever lived
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and they were in our church,
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how many in our church would probably
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think that perhaps they're not saved?
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You know, Paul speaking
to those Galatians,
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they keep going down that same road.
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He's talking "separated from Christ"
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and "fallen from grace"
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and it's not a good direction.
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You perish in that direction.
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And yet, he talks to them
as being brethren.
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You have the Hebrew letter written
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to people that are drifting,
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and yet they're charitably called -
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the Corinthians -
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very charitably called brothers.
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Was Paul wise enough to recognize
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that perhaps some of the
Corinthians weren't saved?
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Or perhaps some of the
Galatians weren't saved?
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Of course.
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But he sets forth that truth,
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and that truth is as applicable to those
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that are believing and are weak,
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those that are believing and straying,
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or those who may be deceived.