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Tyler Cowen: The Rise and Fall of the Chinese Economy

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    - [Prof. Tyler Cowen]
    So why is the Chinese economy
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    in so much trouble right now?
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    Well, actually,
    this shouldn't come as a surprise.
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    If you've been watching China
    over the last several decades,
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    you can understand
    how the current problems
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    actually fall out of a lot
    of their earlier successes.
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    The story starts in 1979.
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    And in 1979,
    you have Chinese reformers
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    starting to do a good deal
    to put the Chinese economy
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    on a sounder track.
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    At that time,
    Chinese per capita income
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    was only a few hundred
    dollars a year,
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    almost everyone was very poor,
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    people would ride bicycles
    rather than driving cars,
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    and even starvation
    was still a possibility.
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    So China introduces
    more private property,
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    more capitalistic incentives,
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    it privatizes
    some of its agriculture,
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    it allows more manufacturing,
    more exporting.
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    Overall, China starts moving
    toward being a modern economy,
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    a normal economy.
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    And once these reforms are underway,
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    China is growing
    at really an astonishing pace.
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    For a lot of the last 35 years,
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    China has been growing
    at around 10% a year.
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    That's amazing!
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    The American economy typically
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    doesn't grow
    at much more than 2% a year.
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    At 10% a year growth,
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    that means that living standards
    double about every 7 years.
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    So if you go back,
    you keep on visiting China,
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    it's as if every 7 years,
    every 10 years,
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    you get to see
    an entirely new country.
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    For me personally, China is the most
    interesting country in the world
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    to visit as an economist.
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    They have grown at a pace
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    that no other place has matched.
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    Imagine about 10% a year growth
    for almost 35 years.
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    That has transformed everything.
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    So even year to year,
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    parts of a city or a neighborhood
    can simply change before your eyes.
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    So you see human progress at work,
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    you see what took some parts
    of the world centuries to achieve,
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    happening in decades or even years.
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    You see human hope
    and faith and progress,
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    and a deep underlying optimism
    about what is possible.
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    So the Chinese economy
    during these years of rapid growth --
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    it had some very notable features.
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    It had high levels of savings,
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    it had super high
    levels of investment,
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    and they built lots
    and lots of infrastructure.
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    And those were all very positive.
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    It's wonderful how good
    the infrastructure is in China.
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    I would much rather ride
    on a Chinese high-speed rail train
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    than take the Amtrak
    from Washington, D.C.
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    to New York City.
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    The Chinese train
    is quicker, nicer,
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    and it's far more likely
    to be on time.
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    But here’s the thing --
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    for a long time
    China has been investing
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    almost half of its GDP every year.
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    Half!
    That's astonishing.
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    When you think about it,
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    it is remarkably hard, every year,
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    to invest half of your GDP
    and to invest it well.
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    In the early years
    of China's economic growth,
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    the required investments were
    pretty simple and straightforward.
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    They needed to build more homes,
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    they needed
    to put in more train lines,
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    they needed to build more roads,
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    they needed to equip
    their urban centers
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    with all of the normal features
    of everyday modern life.
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    And the Chinese government
    did a really good job
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    at all of those things.
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    It's a big reason why, actually,
    China's growth has been so strong.
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    But the problem is this --
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    the way decision-making
    in China is set up --
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    it's very good for achieving things
    with a kind of checklist --
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    known tasks that require a lot
    of resources and a lot of effort,
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    and you throw everything
    you have at getting it done,
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    and you get it done pretty quickly.
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    China has been great at that.
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    But now, a lot of that
    low-hanging fruit is gone.
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    A lot of the infrastructure
    which China needs
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    already has been built,
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    but now their economy
    needs more complex investments.
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    They need a better
    healthcare system,
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    they need better retail services,
    they need more startups.
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    And in these areas,
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    there’s not a simple
    checklist way to get it done.
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    It's not just a question
    of throwing resources at the problem.
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    You need more trial and error,
    more experimentation,
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    you need more
    of a market discovery process
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    to figure out which
    are the profitable investments
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    and which
    are the unprofitable ones.
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    And it’s hard to plan
    and manage those
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    the same ways
    that the Chinese did that
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    with all of their infrastructure.
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    Here is another problem
    with the Chinese economic model.
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    If your economy grows
    10% a year or so for so long,
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    businessmen
    and also your governments --
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    they start thinking
    there isn't much risk.
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    At 10% growth,
    there's so much forward impetus.
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    You can have a business plan
    with a lot of mistakes,
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    you can have a lot of debt,
    you can be very poor on execution,
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    but a lot of those investments
    are still going to make money
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    at about 10% growth.
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    So what happens is,
    the underlying economy
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    loses some of its discipline.
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    People get sloppy,
    they overextend,
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    they become too optimistic.
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    They think they can make
    any investment or any decision
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    and somehow
    it will pay off or be validated,
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    just because everyone else
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    is pushing
    on that 10% rate of growth.
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    A turning point
    for the Chinese economy
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    comes in 2009
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    when there’s a significant recession
    in many other parts of the world.
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    At the time,
    a lot of observers thought,
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    "Well, there’s going to be
    a big recession in China too."
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    But there wasn't.
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    The Chinese government
    undertook some very special steps
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    to avoid or maybe
    just postpone that recession.
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    So the Chinese government
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    spent a lot more money
    on infrastructure
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    at a time where maybe
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    less infrastructure investment
    was called for.
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    The Chinese government,
    the state-owned banks,
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    the state-owned companies,
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    acted in concert to encourage
    a lot more borrowing,
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    a lot more debt.
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    And it's true --
    this did spur spending,
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    it boosted investment,
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    kept the economy
    running at a higher level,
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    but actually debt rose to the point
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    where it was too high
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    relative to the rates of return
    available on those projects.
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    So now, we don't have
    very exact measures,
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    but it seems that
    total Chinese debt of all kinds
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    is well over 200% of GDP --
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    possibly as high as 300% of GDP.
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    And maybe that can work
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    when your underlying
    rate of growth is 10%,
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    but as your underlying
    rate of economic growth falls,
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    it's harder and harder
    for that debt to be sustainable.
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    So how much is China growing today?
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    Well, it depends who you listen to.
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    The Chinese government, circa 2015,
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    is claiming China
    is still growing at about 7% a year.
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    But not many external
    observers believe this,
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    because they’re looking
    at other pieces of data.
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    No one is sure what the real rate
    of economic growth is,
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    but what we know is that
    it is probably sharply lower
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    and China is now entering
    a great recession.
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    To track this recession,
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    we can keep in mind
    five issues or problem areas --
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    the real estate bubble,
    the stock market bubble,
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    the excess level of municipal debt,
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    excess capacity
    among Chinese businesses,
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    and finally,
    the risk of capital flight.
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    The first of these
    is the real estate bubble.
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    Chinese property prices
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    became too high
    in many Chinese cities
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    and China overbuilt.
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    I took a train trip from Beijing
    through the center of the country --
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    a six hour train trip.
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    And along the way,
    I kept on seeing city after city
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    with dozens and dozens
    of apartment blocks.
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    You would see so many buildings,
    but so few people,
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    so few retail stores, so few cars.
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    Many of those cities
    are grossly overbuilt,
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    relative to what can be supported.
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    The Chinese stock market bubble
    is another potential problem.
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    For a while, Chinese
    stock prices were rising rapidly,
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    but then they fell rapidly too.
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    Too many people were encouraged
    to buy stocks on margin,
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    the ratio of prices
    to corporate earnings
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    has been extremely high,
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    and probably those stock prices
    will continue to fall
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    at a pretty rapid pace.
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    That will depress consumer
    spending, lower confidence
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    and it also will be a problem
    for some Chinese banks.
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    The third problem is municipal debt.
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    No one really knows exactly
    how big a problem this is.
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    We do know that
    Chinese municipal governments
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    were not supposed
    to be able to borrow money --
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    they were supposed
    to run balanced budgets.
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    But in fact, a lot of them ended up
    borrowing money off the books,
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    and in fact they were encouraged
    by the central government to do this,
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    to keep up that expenditure
    on all the infrastructure.
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    But what’s happened is,
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    they borrowed a lot more than
    right now they are able to pay back.
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    And the central government
    in Beijing is feeling the need
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    to try to bail out
    these municipal governments.
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    Another big problem
    in the Chinese economy
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    is what I would call
    "excess capacity".
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    That is, in too many sectors
    you have too many firms,
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    you have too much overconfidence,
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    too much stimulation of investment,
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    and a lot of those companies
    probably are not profitable --
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    they're being kept afloat
    by cheap credit
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    from Chinese state-owned banks,
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    or they may be Chinese
    state-owned companies themselves,
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    which have political privileges
    of various kinds.
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    But a lot of those
    companies right now --
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    they’re not making
    really productive investments
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    in the kinds of things
    that Chinese consumers want.
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    If you look at price indices,
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    if you look at the index
    for producer prices in China --
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    that's one measure
    of this excess capacity.
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    That index actually
    has been falling now
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    for over three years running,
    falling every month.
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    That's a sign that too many
    producer goods have been built
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    for what can be sustained profitably.
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    So maybe the biggest
    potential problem is capital flight.
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    There’s a risk that capital within China,
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    foreign capital,
    but especially domestic capital,
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    seeks to leave the country
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    out of fear of China's
    economic problems.
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    But if too much
    of this capital leaves the country,
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    that actually makes
    the problems much worse,
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    as we saw
    with the Asian financial crisis
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    in the 1990s for other countries.
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    The big danger in China
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    is simply that
    capital flight accelerates.
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    But in the meantime,
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    think of the problems
    the Chinese government has
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    trying to manage all of this.
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    There are a lot of firms
    which are no longer profitable,
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    but the government’s reluctant
    to let them go bankrupt
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    because of fear of unemployment
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    and also alienating
    special interest groups.
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    There’s too much credit and too much
    borrowing in the economy,
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    but if that bubble is burst,
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    well, then economic activity
    will fall all the more.
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    There's been too much
    investment in real estate,
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    there’s too much continuing
    reliance on infrastructure,
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    and somehow the government
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    is supposed to juggle
    all of these balls at once
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    and stop the recession
    from getting worse.
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    When you put
    all of those issues together,
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    it is indeed
    a very complex picture,
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    very difficult to understand.
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    But what we see is that
    the world's number two economy
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    really is running a very
    serious risk of a recession
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    which will be deep,
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    and also may last really
    quite some number of years.
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    My personal view
    is that, at this point,
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    these problems are so deeply
    baked into the Chinese economy,
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    there is no way
    to set this all right.
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    But still there are
    some major reasons
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    to be optimistic looking forward.
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    First, the most important
    source of wealth
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    in any economy is human capital.
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    The Chinese
    have done a fantastic job
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    investing in their own
    human capital.
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    So from the economist’s
    point of view,
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    which values human
    capital above all else
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    as the most fundamental
    source of national wealth,
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    when we look at the future of China
    in the medium-term prospects,
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    we really should be optimistic
    or even cheery,
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    because China has invested
    very well in human capital.
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    Those investments will survive
    the current recession intact,
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    and we have
    every reason to believe
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    that China will be
    extending the talents,
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    energies, drives,
    and ambitions of its people,
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    and we can look forward, I think,
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    to still a bright
    Chinese economic future.
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    - [Narrator]
    To see more videos like this,
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    check out our "Everyday Economics"
    video series.
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    To dig deeper into China,
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    go to mruniversity.com/china
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    for a variety of resources
    and additional videos.
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