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PBS NewsHour full episode April 20, 2018

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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Good evening.
    I'm Judy Woodruff.
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    On the "NewsHour" tonight: The Democratic
    Party sues Russia, the Trump campaign, and
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    WikiLeaks for meddling in the 2016 election.
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    Plus: We see James Comey's memos on meeting
    with the president.
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    Then, I sit down with the U.N. high commissioner
    for human rights, Zeid bin Ra'ad al-Hussein,
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    to talk about ongoing conflict in Syria and
    Yemen.
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    And it's Friday.
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    Mark Shields and Reihan Salam are here to
    talk about the Comey memos and what the passing
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    of Barbara Bush may teach us about politics
    today.
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    Then: a poet's best friend.
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    Author Stephen Kuusisto writes about his relationship
    with his guide dog after a condition left
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    him legally blind.
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    STEPHEN KUUSISTO, Author, "Have Dog, Will
    Travel": As I'm writing about what Corky and
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    I did together, right, I began to realize
    this is about my opening up and becoming a
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    larger, more courageous, open, curious, and
    outgoing person.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: All that and more on tonight's
    "PBS NewsHour."
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    (BREAK)
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: The claim that President Trump
    stole the 2016 election is going to federal
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    court.
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    A Democratic Party lawsuit today alleges a
    conspiracy and seeks civil damages.
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    It comes as the president is also doing battle
    with former FBI Director James Comey.
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    Yamiche Alcindor begins our coverage.
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    YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The list of defendants in
    the Democratic National Committee's multimillion-dollar
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    federal lawsuit reads like a who's-who of
    Trump associates.
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    The president himself is not among them, but
    the DNC is suing the Trump campaign, the president's
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    son, Donald Trump Jr., the president's son-in-law
    and White House adviser, Jared Kushner, longtime
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    associate Roger Stone, and the indicted former
    Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.
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    It also includes WikiLeaks, and the site's
    founder, Julian Assange.
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    Russia, and the country's main military intelligence
    unit, the GRU, sit at the top of the list
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    of defendants.
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    The DNC's central allegation?
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    That people close to President Trump and Russian
    entities conspired to spread documents that
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    were stolen from the DNC, and bolster then
    candidate Trump's presidential bid.
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    Russia and its co-conspirators, the lawsuit
    says -- quote -- "must answer for these actions."
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    The Democratic Party set off a similar legal
    battle decades ago, after the Watergate break-in.
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    Back then, the DNC sued President Nixon's
    reelection campaign for damages.
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    The party ultimately won a $750,000 settlement
    on the same day that Mr. Nixon resigned.
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    There was also continued attention today on
    the Comey memos, James Comey's first-hand
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    accounts of his interactions with President
    Trump while he was still director of the FBI.
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    There are seven memos in all, 15 pages total.
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    Thursday, after pressure from some Republican
    lawmakers, the Justice Department handed over
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    the notes to Congress.
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    They detail discussions Comey had with the
    president and White House aides about his
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    first national security adviser, Michael Flynn,
    as well as the president's fixation on the
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    so-called Steele dossier.
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    Comey had publicly discussed some of what's
    in the memos previously.
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    JAMES COMEY, Former FBI Director: Sure.
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    I created records after conversations, and
    I think I did it after each of our nine conversations.
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    If I didn't, I did it for nearly all of them,
    especially the ones that were substantive.
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    YAMICHE ALCINDOR: President Trump today lashed
    out at Comey again.
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    "Flynn's life can be totally destroyed," he
    lamented, "while shady James Comey can leak
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    and lie.
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    Is that really the way life in America is
    supposed to work?"
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    Meanwhile, three House GOP committee chairmen
    argued that Mr. Trump would benefit from the
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    memos being released.
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    "Rather than making a criminal case for obstruction,
    these memos would be defense exhibit A."
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    Congressional Democrats disagreed.
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    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi tweeted
    that the memos proved Mr. Trump's -- quote
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    -- "contempt for the rule of law."
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    For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Yamiche Alcindor.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Late today, the Trump campaign
    responded to the lawsuit, calling it frivolous
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    and completely without merit.
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    We will hear from the chair of the Democratic
    National Committee right after the news summary.
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    In the day's other news: Russia says President
    Vladimir Putin is still waiting for President
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    Trump to follow up on an invitation to visit
    the White House.
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    The offer came in a phone call with Trump
    last month.
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    In Moscow today, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov
    said Mr. Trump had also talked of visiting
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    Russia.
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    SERGEI LAVROV, Russian Foreign Minister (through
    translator): We proceed from the fact that
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    the U.S. president said that he would be glad
    to see President Putin in the White House,
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    that he would be glad to meet in a return
    visit.
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    President Trump has returned to this topic
    a couple of times, so, of course, we assume
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    that he will make it more specific.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: There was no immediate response
    from the White House.
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    In the Middle East, violence erupted again
    at Gaza's border, and Palestinians said that
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    five were killed and 150 wounded by Israeli
    fire.
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    Thousands of Gazans turned out, and some burned
    tires and sailed kites carrying Molotov cocktails
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    toward the border fence.
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    Israeli officials said they defended the barrier
    with live fire and tear gas.
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    There is word that North Korea will halt all
    missile and nuclear weapons testing as of
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    tomorrow.
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    That word comes from the state news agency.
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    Earlier today, North and South Korea took
    another major step today.
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    The rivals installed and tested the first
    ever direct telephone hot line between Seoul
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    and Pyongyang.
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    Their leaders hold a summit next Friday.
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    Several people were publicly caned in Indonesia's
    Aceh Province today, despite international
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    condemnation.
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    Some unmarried couples were punished, under
    Islamic Sharia law, for public displays of
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    affection, along with two women accused of
    prostitution.
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    A crowd of hundreds, including Malaysian tourists,
    looked on.
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    Many jeered and recorded the scene on their
    cell phones.
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    And some objected to plans to move the public
    canings indoors.
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    WOMAN (through translator): This caning is
    carried out in public because it can be witnessed
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    by everyone, so it will give a deterrent effect
    against others.
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    The caning shouldn't be done in prison for
    that reason.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Human Rights Watch says caning
    amounts to torture, and it has demanded that
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    the provincial government abolish the practice.
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    The state of Alabama executed an 83-year-old
    man overnight by lethal injection.
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    Walter Leroy Moody Jr. became the oldest prisoner
    put to death in the U.S. since capital punishment
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    was reinstated in 1976.
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    Moody was convicted of mailing four bombs
    that killed a federal judge and a civil rights
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    lawyer in 1989.
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    The casket of former first lady Barbara Bush
    lay in repose in Houston today for a 12-hour
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    public viewing.
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    Her husband, former President George H.W.
    Bush, greeted some of the first people to
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    file past.
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    A private funeral will be held tomorrow.
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    Mrs. Bush died Tuesday at the age of 92.
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    A warning today to avoid eating all romaine
    lettuce from Southwestern Arizona.
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    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    expanded an earlier alert over an E. coli
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    outbreak.
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    At least 60 people across 16 states have fallen
    ill so far.
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    The CDC says the best advice is, if you don't
    know for certain the source of lettuce you
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    bought, don't eat it.
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    And on Wall Street, interest rates rose, tech
    stocks tumbled, and the market gave ground.
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    The Dow Jones industrial average lost 202
    points to close at 24462.
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    The Nasdaq fell nearly 92 points, and the
    S&P 500 slipped 23.
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    For the week, all three indexes gained about
    half-a-percent.
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    And Britain's Prince Charles will be the next
    leader of the 53-nation commonwealth.
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    Member states met in London today and unanimously
    chose Charles for the largely symbolic position.
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    He will succeed his mother, Queen Elizabeth,
    when she dies.
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    The queen turns 92 tomorrow.
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    Still to come on the "NewsHour": why the DNC
    filed suit against the Trump campaign; the
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    U.N. human rights chief on the crises in Yemen
    and Syria; students stage another walkout
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    to protest gun violence; and much more.
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    We return to the lawsuit filed by the Democratic
    National Committee today against President
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    Trump's campaign, several top Trump advisers,
    WikiLeaks and the Russian government.
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    The DNC alleges a massive a plot to interfere
    in the 2016 presidential election, in part
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    by hacking the Democratic Party's computer
    network and by releasing stolen e-mails.
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    I spoke with Democratic National Committee
    Chair Tom Perez a short time ago, and I started
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    by asking why they filed the suit when the
    investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller
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    is still under way.
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    THOMAS PEREZ, Chairman, Democratic National
    Committee: Well, there are three reasons,
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    Judy.
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    First of all, we don't know when Director
    Mueller will finish his investigation.
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    And he should take all the time he needs to
    do a thorough job.
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    We have to file within a statute of limitations.
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    And so, if we sit and wait and wait, then
    we're frankly committing legal malpractice.
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    A year ago, when I came to the DNC, it was
    clear to me that we had been hacked and we
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    had been hacked by the Russians.
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    It was less clear to me a year ago whether
    there was a conspiracy between the Russians
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    and the Trump campaign.
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    It has become abundantly clear to me that
    there is that conspiracy.
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    And because we have done our homework, we
    have filed this suit.
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    And then, finally, Judy, I'm very concerned
    about the upcoming elections.
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    Civil lawsuits have an important purpose of
    deterrence.
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    And I hear from so many people across this
    country, they have hacked before, they interfered
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    in 2016, and they're going to do it again.
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    What are you going to do about it, Tom?
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, I hear you, but to get
    back to the point about conspiracy, this is
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    something that we know, again, the special
    counsel, Robert Mueller, is looking into it.
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    We don't know yet, the public doesn't know
    yet if that actually happened.
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    It may appear to some people that it did,
    but until the dots have been connected and
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    there is some legal basis for that, are you
    at risk in a lawsuit of getting ahead of what
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    are known facts?
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    THOMAS PEREZ: Well, I'm very comfortable of
    where we are now.
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    I feel we have ample evidence to demonstrate
    in a civil proceeding what we're doing.
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    And we have a different burden of proof.
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    It's a lower burden of proof in a civil case.
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    And so I have dealt with this from the criminal
    side as a DOJ prosecutor, and I understand
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    and I have great respect for the work that
    Director Mueller is doing.
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    And we have great respect that they will continue
    to do the independent, thorough job that they
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    need to do.
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    But we also have -- we were hacked.
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    And they tried to cause chaos in the DNC and
    in the Democratic Party, and we need to seek
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    justice in a civil case, and we need to deter.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Let me ask.
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    You won't be surprised to know that there
    has been a full-throated response from the
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    Trump campaign.
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    I'm just quoting their campaign manager who
    said: "This is a sham lawsuit about a bogus
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    Russian solution claim filed by a desperate,
    dysfunctional and nearly insolvent Democratic
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    Party."
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    THOMAS PEREZ: Well, I think they had their
    greatest hits of conspiracy theories.
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    And, Judy, for your viewers, I think it would
    be interesting to go back to the Watergate
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    era, because the DNC filed a lawsuit against
    the Nixon campaign back then.
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    And the response when that lawsuit was filed
    was almost identical to what we saw today.
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    So it seems like the Trump folks and the Nixon
    folks, once again, there's yet another thing
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    that they have in common, which is these false
    denials of involvement.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: One last question, and that
    is, it gets back to the Mueller investigation.
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    Does your lawsuit, though, run the risk of
    politicizing something which Mr. Mueller has
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    for the most part managed to keep away from
    politics?
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    THOMAS PEREZ: This isn't partisan.
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    This is patriotic.
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    Making sure our elections are free and fair
    with no foreign interference, there is nothing
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    more important than that.
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    You look at what General McMaster said on
    his way out from his service in the Trump
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    administration.
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    He said, we haven't -- they have not paid
    a cost for their misdeeds, referring to Russia.
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    You look at what John McCain has said.
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    He referred to the hack as an act of war.
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    And the absence of deterrence right now, I
    think it's incredibly important that we move
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    forward.
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    And the civil proceeding is something where
    we will be in an Article 3 court.
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    We're not going to have a trial of Twitter.
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    We're not going to have Devin Nunes presiding
    over the trial.
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    I believe in the federal civil justice system.
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    And that, is I think, a really important vehicle
    moving forward for us to have the truth out
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    there.
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    And I'm confident that the truth is going
    to show that there was an unholy alliance
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    between the Trump campaign and the Russians
    to interfere with our 2016 election.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Tom Perez, the chairman of
    the Democratic National Committee, we thank
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    you.
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    THOMAS PEREZ: Thank you.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: And now William Brangham is
    here with more on the legal implications of
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    the DNC lawsuit.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: For that analysis, I'm joined
    by Susan Hennessey.
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    She is the executive editor of Lawfare and
    a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
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    Welcome back to the "NewsHour."
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY, Brookings Institution: Thanks
    for having me.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: So, you heard about Tom
    Perez.
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    He's alleging that the Russians, the Trump
    campaign, WikiLeaks all conspired to steal
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    the DNC's e-mails and then spread them around
    to make Hillary Clinton look bad.
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    From a legal perspective, what do you make
    of their suit?
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY: So, Perez sort of notes that
    there is ample evidence.
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    There's certainly quite a few allegations.
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    Some of it is really well-grounded.
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    It relies on things like this intelligence
    community assessment of Russian interference.
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    But a lot of it relies on things like news
    reports, including a single source or anonymously
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    sourced reports.
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    So the challenge in this suit is going to
    be translating those essentially news reports
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    into evidence that is going to be admissible
    in court.
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    Now, what's relevant right now is not necessarily
    whether they can do that, but whether or not
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    they can survive a motion to dismiss, whether
    or not they have a well-pleaded complaint
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    on the face.
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    It does seem likely that this lawsuit, at
    least some defendants, at least some claims
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    are likely to survive a motion to dismiss.
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    This is most relevant because it means that
    they will move to the discovery phase.
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    That might end up becoming a really, really
    powerful tool for the DNC to actually unearth
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    new information.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: So, the tricky part for
    their case, it seems to me, that while there
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    might be discrete evidence of the WikiLeaks
    release, the DNC being hacked, some members
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    of the Trump Organization indicating that
    they would like to get dirt on Hillary Clinton,
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    they have to tie all of those things together
    as a connected conspiracy, right?
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY: Right.
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    So what they are alleging is this broad conspiracy.
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    They're alleging that there was an actual
    agreement between Russian actors, the Trump
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    campaign and their associates to hack the
    DNC and an agreement to distribute stolen
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    materials that were to help Donald Trump and
    harm Hillary Clinton.
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    That is a very, very high bar.
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    That certainly is ahead of the public record
    that we have seen thus far.
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    That's going to be a difficult showing for
    them to make in court.
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    That said, there is another case going on
    in the district of D.C. on a different -- on
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    a different theory, actually an invasion of
    privacy theory.
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    There is going to be a hearing on their motion
    to dismiss just on Monday.
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    So, we do have another case that is going
    to provide a little bit of a road map as to
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    whether or not these legal claims are going
    to be sufficient.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: There's also, of course,
    the elephant in the room is the Mueller investigation,
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    which is undergoing constantly right now.
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    What does this do vis-a-vis the Mueller investigation,
    because, theoretically, the DNC suit touches
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    on some of the same people, some of the same
    evidence, some of the same events?
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    Is this a conflict?
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    Can they go on at the same time?
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    Help me understand that.
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY: Well, I think that they are
    fundamentally unrelated.
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    We don't know very much about the Mueller
    investigation, but it doesn't appear to be
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    particularly reactive to things like this.
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    This, the DNC suit, both relies on the Mueller
    investigation, because it uses some evidence
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    that actually comes from those court filings.
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    It also gets quite a bit ahead.
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    Right?
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    It is alleging this actual conspiracy.
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    But we haven't seen Mueller make that showing.
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    It does involve -- they are related to the
    extent that they're talking about the same
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    events and the same people.
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    And so I think there's a way to think about
    it as a kind of alternative.
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    We don't know how the Mueller investigation
    is going to end.
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    Even if he found evidence of serious wrongdoing,
    that might be included in a report that remains
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    within DOJ, a report that goes to Congress
    and isn't distributed to the American public.
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    And so this is an alternate vehicle by which
    the DNC might unearth some of those same -- the
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    same or similar facts, but actually in a fashion
    in which they can conduct their own fact-finding
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    and in a fashion in which they can make these
    things public.
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    So, I think the best way to think about it
    is sort of parallel tracks, the same subject
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    matter, but not necessarily related.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: This, of course, also comes
    when the president is juggling so many other
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    legal cases.
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    There's the Mueller case.
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    There's the Stormy Daniels case.
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    There's the Michael Cohen case.
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    There's the emoluments lawsuit.
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    I mean, this is an enormous amount for a White
    House the Trump Organization's legal team
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    to be juggling.
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY: Right.
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    It's also only a year-and-a-half into his
    term.
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    This is an amazingly complex legal landscape
    that they're working through.
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    And we're starting to see some of the peculiarities.
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    In the Southern District case against Michael
    Cohen, we actually have the president's private
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    lawyers arguing on attorney-client privilege
    against Justice Department attorneys.
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    That means Donald Trump's individual private
    attorneys are arguing essentially against
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    his institutional attorneys.
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    And so I think that really illustrates sort
    of the strangeness of the situation we're
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    in and the potential conflicts there.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Lastly, let's just shift
    gears to the release to these Comey memos.
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    These were the memos that James Comey contemporaneously
    wrote down after different meetings with the
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    president.
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    We have heard about those memos for a long
    time.
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    Now they have been released and we have been
    able to read them specifically.
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    Do the details of those memos tell us anything
    germane legally with regards to the Russia
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    investigation?
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY: So, they don't really offer
    much new information, sort of, when we consider
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    what Comey has already said in his book and
    actually in his congressional testimony as
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    well.
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    So I don't know that it advances the ball
    forward legally at all.
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    That said, it certainly does corroborate Comey's
    account.
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    It goes to sort of his credibility.
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    And it sort of knocks down this notion of
    Comey as a disgruntled employee that's recounting
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    these events sort of in a way that's unfavorable
    to Trump after the fact.
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    These are the memos he wrote while still FBI
    director, while he still presumably wanted
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    to have a good relationship with the president,
    had every incentive to sort of not make a
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    mountain out of a molehill.
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    What we're seeing in these memos is really
    a profound degree of concern and a concern
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    that he has remained consistent about, about
    the way President Trump was treating the Justice
  • 19:48 - 19:52
    Department and his inability to understand
    the importance of sort of maintaining those
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    institutional norms of independence.
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    WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Susan Hennessey, thank you
    so much.
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    SUSAN HENNESSEY: Thank you.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: The U.S. State Department released
    its annual global accounting of the state
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    of human rights today.
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    The report blasted Russia, China, Iran and
    North Korea, specifically for being forces
  • 20:20 - 20:21
    of instability.
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    It also accused Syria's Bashar al-Assad of
    indiscriminate attacks on civilians, on hospitals,
  • 20:28 - 20:33
    and of employing torture and using rape as
    a weapon of war.
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    Criticism of Saudi Arabia, a close U.S. ally,
    and its intervention in Yemen's brutal civil
  • 20:38 - 20:40
    war was more muted.
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    For an international look at these issues
    and more, I spoke a short time ago with the
  • 20:45 - 20:49
    United Nations high commissioner for human
    rights, Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein.
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    I began by asking him about the brutal Syrian
    civil war.
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    ZEID BIN RA'AD ZEID AL-HUSSEIN, United Nations
    High Commissioner for Human Rights: Well,
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    for the last few years, there's been an absolute
    disregard for the most minimal standards of
  • 21:02 - 21:04
    principles in law.
  • 21:04 - 21:11
    And we have seen every conceivable atrocity
    being committed by most parties to the conflict,
  • 21:11 - 21:17
    but most particularly the Syrian government
    and its allies in terms of scale.
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    That's not to say that the armed groups, and
    particularly the extremist movements, the
  • 21:23 - 21:30
    terrorist movements, haven't themselves been
    complicit in the most and perpetrated the
  • 21:30 - 21:33
    most awful atrocities.
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    But the lion's share of the alleged crimes
    against humanity and war crimes that are almost
  • 21:42 - 21:50
    certainly to be proven by a court of law in
    the future fall at the foot of the Syrian
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    government.
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    One must not forget that this whole crisis
    began with the torture, the abuse of children
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    in Daraa, and it started from a severe violation
    of human rights and respect of the rights
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    of those children.
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    And from there, we have a crisis that is almost
    breaking the world in a very real, real sense.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Now, we're reading about another
    aspect of this crisis in Syria, today, The
  • 22:16 - 22:22
    Washington Post reporting on Raqqa, which,
    of course, occupied by ISIS for so long.
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    This report talks about the destruction of
    something like 11,000, 12,000 buildings or
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    damage under U.S.-led airstrikes, and it goes
    on to say that the sentiment there is increasingly
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    that the U.S. took part in this destruction,
    but is not taking responsibility for fixing
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    it, for cleaning it up.
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    ZEID BIN RA'AD ZEID AL-HUSSEIN: Yes, in all
    such operations, basic principles that govern
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    the conduct of military forces, principles
    such as distinction, proportionality, have
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    to be observed.
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    And whenever you see actions like this, you
    expect there to be inquiries and investigations,
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    such that you can then explain to the people
    why it is that civilians have fallen to the
  • 23:12 - 23:14
    rockets and the bombardments.
  • 23:14 - 23:18
    Otherwise, you're fighting a losing battle.
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    Basically, as Nietzsche once said, if you're
    not careful when fighting monsters, you yourself
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    become one.
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    And that's the point that has to be driven
    at every time we sit with a particular government.
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    Don't make it worse.
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    You are there to protect the civilian population
    from armed extremists that have run amok.
  • 23:40 - 23:47
    Don't, through criminal negligence, or even
    in certain cases, it could be deliberate -- one
  • 23:47 - 23:50
    doesn't know -- don't make it worse.
  • 23:50 - 23:51
    Investigate.
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    And make the investigations transparent.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, another crisis zone in
    that connection, of course, is Yemen, where,
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    again, terrible human suffering, civilians,
    women, children.
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    What is your understanding of the situation
    there?
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    ZEID BIN RA'AD ZEID AL-HUSSEIN: Well, likewise.
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    I mean, it's been this horrific humanitarian
    catastrophe, and ongoing.
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    We from the human rights side have been tasked
    by -- from the Human Rights Council in Geneva
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    to put together a group of eminent experts
    to investigate these attacks that have led
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    to civilian casualties.
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    There was a reported attack today of 20 people,
    civilians being killed just outside of Taiz.
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    And this investigation will be made public
    in September.
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    And one hopes that all sides to this horrific
    conflict in Yemen, the coalition on one side,
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    the Houthis and the separatists in the south,
    that they understand that, one day, if they
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    continue, or even if they don't continue,
    one day, they may well have to stand before
  • 24:58 - 25:03
    a judge and account for the alleged crimes
    that have been committed.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Of course, all this is happening
    at a time when we are seeing voices, leaders
  • 25:08 - 25:14
    around the world who are showing disrespect
    for human rights, in parts of Eastern Europe,
  • 25:14 - 25:20
    in Hungary, the Czech republic, the Philippines.
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    How do you, in your role at the United Nations,
    speak to them?
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    What's the role of the rest of the world when
    we see these kinds of forces arising?
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    ZEID BIN RA'AD ZEID AL-HUSSEIN: Well, this
    year, we celebrate the 70th anniversary of
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    the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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    And it's a document that was put by those
    who really suffered in two World Wars and
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    the Holocaust.
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    And in the second line, it says contempt and
    disregard for human rights contributed to
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    the suffering of humanity.
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    What we see now is exactly that on the part
    of many of the world's leaders, who should
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    know better, that, as I said in respect of
    Syria, you have a conflict that has destroyed
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    not just one part of the world, but maybe
    two.
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    And it began with a severe human rights violation.
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    And, eventually, all human rights violations,
    if they're not curtailed, they can turn into
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    conflict.
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    And it behooves us to pay much more attention.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, words for all of us to
    think about.
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    The high commissioner at the United Nations
    for human rights, Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, we
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    thank you.
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    ZEID BIN RA'AD ZEID AL-HUSSEIN: Thank you,
    Judy.
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    Thank you.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Stay with us.
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    Coming up on the "NewsHour": Mark Shields
    and Reihan Salam analyze the week's news;
  • 26:58 - 27:04
    and from the "NewsHour" Bookshelf, a blind
    poet details his life-altering connection
  • 27:04 - 27:07
    with his guide dog.
  • 27:07 - 27:12
    But first: Thousands of students walked out
    of schools nationwide this morning in the
  • 27:12 - 27:15
    latest mass protest against gun violence.
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    The events marked the 19th anniversary of
    the massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado
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    that killed 13.
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    Lisa Desjardins reports on this day's events.
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    MAN: So, now pause for a moment of silence
    to honor the victims of Columbine.
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    LISA DESJARDINS: The scene was repeated across
    the country, moments of silence in places
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    like Indianapolis.
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    Students and teachers in a Houston high school
    forming a paper chain of names of people slain
  • 27:44 - 27:46
    by gun violence.
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    And everywhere, as in New Haven, Connecticut,
    protests and appeals for action to stop mass
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    shootings.
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    STUDENT: We as a nation cannot afford routine
    mass murders.
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    We need action now.
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    We need to remind our politicians that this
    is us.
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    These are our children who are dying.
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    LISA DESJARDINS: In Washington, D.C., students
    staged sit-down protest in front of the White
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    House.
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    STUDENT: All of these are Columbine victims.
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    We stopped saying their names a long time
    ago.
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    So, until the end of this moment of silence,
    I will continue to repeat their names, so
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    you guys don't forget them.
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    Rachel Scott, Daniel Rohrbough, Dave Sanders,
    Kyle Velasquez.
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    LISA DESJARDINS: From there, they marched
    to the Capitol and demanded action on gun
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    legislation.
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    VERONICA GOULD-SCHULTZ, Student: Because I
    think the people of the United States really
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    do deserve that.
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    They deserve to live in a place where you
    don't have to be worried about going to CVS
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    or going to school or walking down the street
    just because of what you look like or because
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    someone had a bad day.
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    LISA DESJARDINS: Students from Parkland, Florida's
    Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where
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    17 were killed in February, also walked out.
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    They have led a push for stronger background
    checks and bans on bump stocks and assault-type
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    rifles.
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    That push is national, again today up to the
    steps of the Capitol.
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    Shortly after the last student walkouts in
    March, Congress did pass two gun measures.
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    They were to shore up the current background
    check system, and also get more funding to
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    states.
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    But neither of those changed current law,
    and there is no expectation that Congress
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    will return to the gun issue any time this
    year.
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    President Trump has said the mental health
    system needs improvement, and he's supported
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    the idea of letting teachers carry guns at
    schools.
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    DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
    This would only be, obviously, for people
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    that are very adept at handling a gun.
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    You would no longer have a gun-free zone.
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    Gun-free zone to a maniac, because they're
    all cowards, a gun-free zone is, let's go
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    in and let's attack, because bullets aren't
    coming back at us.
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    LISA DESJARDINS: The president also formed
    a school safety commission, led by Education
  • 29:49 - 29:51
    Secretary Betsy DeVos.
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    But students at the U.S. Capitol today demanded
    more concrete action to address their generation's
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    fears.
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    CALIYAH RILEY, Student: We want people to
    have that sense of comfort again and be able
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    to walk around the street and not have to
    put your hands up all time because you see
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    a cop car.
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    Enough of violence, enough of killing, enough
    of being scared.
  • 30:10 - 30:15
    LISA DESJARDINS: This, as today, in Marion
    County, Florida, another school shooting left
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    one student wounded.
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    For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Lisa Desjardins.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: And one postscript to Lisa's
    report.
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    Students at Columbine didn't walk out today,
    since classes are never held on the anniversary
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    of the shooting.
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    But they are encouraged to participate in
    a day of service.
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    And let's finish our look at this day with
    the story of a student who survived Columbine
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    19 years ago.
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    The "NewsHour"'s Student Reporting Lab at
    Legacy Early College High School in Greenville,
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    South Carolina, interviewed physical education
    teacher Lindsey O'Donnell.
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    She describes how she came to see mental health
    and mindfulness as the keys to healing.
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    LINDSAY O'DONNELL, Teacher, Legacy Early College
    High School: My name is Lindsey O'Donnell.
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    I'm a physical education teacher at Legacy
    Early College in Greenville, South Carolina.
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    I was 17 years old during the Columbine shooting.
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    It was my senior year of high school.
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    My initial reaction was, I thought it was
    a fire drill.
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    Someone might have pulled it.
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    I thought it might have been a senior prank.
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    We really didn't know.
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    JIM LEHRER: High school shooting in Littleton,
    Colorado, a Denver suburb.
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    At least 20 people were wounded.
  • 31:19 - 31:30
    LINDSEY O'DONNELL: It was just chaos, people
    running, just crying, hysterical.
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    It was shocking.
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    It was just unheard of 19 years ago.
  • 31:42 - 31:47
    I coped with the Columbine shooting mostly
    through the support of my friends, my family,
  • 31:47 - 31:50
    and also through fitness.
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    I became a physical education teacher and
    a soccer coach.
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    When I was at Columbine, I wish I would have
    known a little more about mindfulness, not
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    only for me.
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    My friends would have coped with the situation
    differently.
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    A lot of them coped with it through drugs
    or alcohol.
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    Columbine was, like, the first big mass shooting.
  • 32:14 - 32:18
    Nowadays, we have to practice lockdowns.
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    And with that, students are stressed.
  • 32:19 - 32:22
    They come to school scared.
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    They're anxious.
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    Every single day with my students, we start
    our day with a five-minute mindful moment.
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    And by practicing mindfulness, it's not going
    to eliminate school shootings.
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    However, fitness, mindfulness, and mental
    health can help.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: It was another news-packed
    week.
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    In fact, it's still going on.
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    And we have Shields and Salam to unpack it.
  • 32:56 - 33:01
    That's syndicated columnist Mark Shields and
    "National Review" executive editor Reihan
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    Salam.
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    David Brooks is away.
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    Gentlemen, welcome on this Friday.
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    So, Mark, I want to point out, we have just
    learned there is a Washington Post story just
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    moving that the attorney general let the White
    House last weekend that, if the president
  • 33:17 - 33:22
    were to fire the deputy attorney general,
    Rod Rosenstein, that he, Attorney General
  • 33:22 - 33:25
    Jeff Sessions, would have to step down.
  • 33:25 - 33:28
    I guess the language is, might have to leave
    his job.
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    So it looks as if there's still worry, concern
    about the president's intentions, even though
  • 33:34 - 33:37
    he said he doesn't plan to fire these people.
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    MARK SHIELDS: It's a happy, productive place
    to work, the Trump administration, a feeling
  • 33:43 - 33:49
    of conviviality, trust, congeniality, and
    mutual sense of mission.
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    I mean, as a personnel director, the president
    is unrivaled as a disaster in the profession.
  • 33:57 - 34:04
    People who work for him work so in terror,
    anxiety, unsure of what he wants to do and
  • 34:04 - 34:08
    what they're supposed to do, and whether they
    will be there two weeks from now.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Reihan, it's just another element
    in this ongoing saga.
  • 34:12 - 34:16
    REIHAN SALAM: I can't say we know exactly
    where the story is here.
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    Were we to actually hear that there was some
    move to fire the deputy attorney general,
  • 34:20 - 34:22
    that would be very big news.
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    There would be very intense resistance from
    many Republican lawmakers, as well as many
  • 34:26 - 34:29
    other figures in the senior ranks of the White
    House.
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    So I'm not sure there is a story yet, but
    certainly it's a sign that there are many
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    people in the White House who would strongly
    discourage the president from taking such
  • 34:37 - 34:38
    a step.
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    And he himself said that he had no intention
    of pursuing it.
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    So, we will see what happens.
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Right.
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    I think this was probably in the wake of that
    -- it was in that several-day period when
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    we were hearing the president was very upset
    and was thinking about or talking about firing.
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    But, as you said, nothing's happened yet.
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    So let's move, Mark, to the story today.
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    Democratic National Committee announces it
    is filing a lawsuit against the Trump campaign,
  • 35:00 - 35:06
    against high Russian officials, the Russian
    government and WikiLeaks for hacking into
  • 35:06 - 35:13
    the Democratic National Committee e-mail system
    and essentially for stealing, they're saying,
  • 35:13 - 35:16
    corrupting the election in 2016.
  • 35:16 - 35:19
    We heard Tom Perez a few minutes ago, the
    chair of the party, say, well, one of the
  • 35:19 - 35:24
    reasons we're doing this is the statute of
    limitations; we think there is evidence to
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    believe there was a conspiracy.
  • 35:26 - 35:28
    Is it a smart move on their part?
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    MARK SHIELDS: Well, we will find out if it's
    a smart move, Judy.
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    Part of the problem is that it does have echoes
    of Watergate, and without, right now at least,
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    the persuasive proof that the same set of
    facts operated, where the president was intimately,
  • 35:47 - 35:50
    deeply involved in a criminal act.
  • 35:50 - 35:52
    I would say this.
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    Part of it is, I think, politics has become
    litigation.
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    Politics has become lawyers and depositions
    and whether you're going to testify.
  • 36:01 - 36:08
    And, you know, in that sense, it's not, at
    least initially, exhilarating to those of
  • 36:08 - 36:15
    us who care about politics and policy and
    legislation and righting wrongs and bringing
  • 36:15 - 36:16
    justice.
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    But, you know, I can honestly say, I don't
    know.
  • 36:19 - 36:21
    JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you make of it?
  • 36:21 - 36:22
    What's the significance?
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    REIHAN SALAM: Well, politics is becoming litigation,
    certainly, but politics is also fund-raising.
  • 36:26 - 36:30
    That is especially true if you're the chair
    of the Democratic National Committee.
  • 36:30 - 36:34
    One thing that is important to understand
    is that American politics is very decentralized.
  • 36:34 - 36:38
    Typically, candidates raise their own money,
    they have their own networks.
  • 36:38 - 36:42
    For the Democratic National Committee to be
    influential and important, it has to raise
  • 36:42 - 36:43
    money.
  • 36:43 - 36:47
    And one way fort DNC to raise its profile
    is to do things along these lines that really
  • 36:47 - 36:52
    fires up the base and the small-dollar donors,
    many of whom are very passionate about the
  • 36:52 - 36:53
    Russia story.
  • 36:53 - 36:57
    Susan Hennessey earlier on this program explained
    that they are setting a very high bar for
  • 36:57 - 36:58
    themselves.
  • 36:58 - 37:02
    It's hard to see that they're really going
    to prove these allegations in court, but the
  • 37:02 - 37:07
    litigation is definitely going to get the
    DNC and DNC Chair Tom Perez in the news.
  • 37:07 - 37:10
    And I think that it's going to fire up a ton
    of people to open up their checkbooks.
  • 37:10 - 37:14
    So, in that sense, I think it is a very shrewd
    move for the DNC.
  • 37:14 - 37:16
    For Democrats more broadly, we will see.
  • 37:16 - 37:17
    I'm skeptical.
  • 37:17 - 37:18
    (CROSSTALK)
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    JUDY WOODRUFF: Excuse me.
  • 37:19 - 37:20
    I wanted to let you finish your thought.
  • 37:20 - 37:24
    All this coming, Mark, in a week when we're
    hearing so much about James Comey, his book,
  • 37:24 - 37:31
    and then today -- or last night, I guess,
    the -- after urging by Republicans on Capitol
  • 37:31 - 37:36
    Hill, the Comey memos that he wrote after
    his conversations with the president before
  • 37:36 - 37:39
    Comey was fired have now been made public.
  • 37:39 - 37:42
    You have had a chance -- both of you have
    had a chance to look at them.
  • 37:42 - 37:43
    Do they change anything?
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    MARK SHIELDS: I can't -- other than perhaps
    your opinion of the three chairmen who pushed
  • 37:49 - 37:51
    for their publication.
  • 37:51 - 37:59
    They in no way conflict, at least in my reading
    of them, with James Comey's own testimony.
  • 37:59 - 38:03
    They reinforce what he has said and what he
    has written.
  • 38:03 - 38:10
    Now, I think Congressman Gowdy has said that
    they're exhibit A for the defense for the
  • 38:10 - 38:15
    White House for any case of obstruction of
    justice on the part of the president.
  • 38:15 - 38:19
    They're certainly not complimentary of the
    president.
  • 38:19 - 38:21
    They're not inspiring.
  • 38:21 - 38:24
    But they do reinforce what Comey has said.
  • 38:24 - 38:28
    JUDY WOODRUFF: What do you see there, Reihan,
    and also with the book -- coming out the same
  • 38:28 - 38:29
    week as the book?
  • 38:29 - 38:35
    As Mark said, most people are saying they
    are affirming what's in the book.
  • 38:35 - 38:38
    REIHAN SALAM: I agree with Mark's remarks.
  • 38:38 - 38:42
    I think that, basically, this is entirely
    consistent with what James Comey had said
  • 38:42 - 38:43
    before.
  • 38:43 - 38:48
    Clearly, James Comey had serious misgivings
    about President Trump long before he was elected.
  • 38:48 - 38:53
    And, also, it's -- now openly campaigning
    against President Trump's reelection.
  • 38:53 - 38:56
    He's telling people that he wants American
    voters to throw him out.
  • 38:56 - 38:58
    And the trouble here is this.
  • 38:58 - 39:03
    If you are James Comey and you really want
    to convince folks that President Trump should
  • 39:03 - 39:07
    be voted out of office, et cetera, the thing
    is that you have to find persuadable people.
  • 39:07 - 39:11
    You have to find people who might be favorably
    disposed to the president and persuade them
  • 39:11 - 39:12
    not to be.
  • 39:12 - 39:14
    And the thing is that I'm not sure why he's
    really doing that.
  • 39:14 - 39:18
    What we know now is that he's always had misgivings
    about the president.
  • 39:18 - 39:21
    So, I think that that tends to reinforce this
    narrative that he wasn't favorably disposed.
  • 39:21 - 39:23
    JUDY WOODRUFF: How do you see this?
  • 39:23 - 39:26
    MARK SHIELDS: I will say this about James
    Comey.
  • 39:26 - 39:29
    And he's certainly gotten criticism from a
    number of quarters.
  • 39:29 - 39:34
    And I think he's earned it by including the
    rather snide remarks about the president's
  • 39:34 - 39:40
    appearance and suntanning and hair color and
    all the rest of it, which was petty.
  • 39:40 - 39:45
    It was mud-wrestling, getting down where Donald
    Trump mud-wrestles.
  • 39:45 - 39:55
    But his statement uncontradicted in any way,
    before the election, he revealed that Hillary
  • 39:55 - 40:04
    Clinton's personal e-mails were going to be
    reopened, at a time when he and virtually
  • 40:04 - 40:08
    everybody in shoe leather and a majority of
    people in the Trump campaign firmly believed
  • 40:08 - 40:10
    that Hillary Clinton was going to win.
  • 40:10 - 40:13
    And he put that election in some suspense.
  • 40:13 - 40:15
    The Clinton people blame him for it.
  • 40:15 - 40:17
    The Trump people acknowledge what he did.
  • 40:17 - 40:23
    And I have to say, it certainly wasn't -- it
    was an act of some integrity, professional
  • 40:23 - 40:25
    integrity, for him to do that.
  • 40:25 - 40:33
    The safe thing would have been to not say
    anything at the time and, in fact, let it
  • 40:33 - 40:35
    happen and be reappointed.
  • 40:35 - 40:39
    He was certainly putting at jeopardy his own
    position, if, in fact, Hillary Clinton did
  • 40:39 - 40:45
    win, that he had tried to sabotage and submarine
    her chances in the last week of the campaign.
  • 40:45 - 40:51
    So I think, right now, Judy, what we have
    seen in the first week is that the two tribes
  • 40:51 - 40:58
    have formed, on the one side those who don't
    believe James Comey, and those who do.
  • 40:58 - 41:01
    I don't know how many people are persuadable
    on this issue at this point.
  • 41:01 - 41:09
    JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to ask you both, finally,
    about former first lady Barbara Bush, who
  • 41:09 - 41:15
    was a remarkable figure, somebody with a sense
    of humor, passed away this week.
  • 41:15 - 41:17
    Her funeral is tomorrow.
  • 41:17 - 41:21
    Reihan, why do you think there's been such
    a -- it seems to me -- there would have, of
  • 41:21 - 41:24
    course, been a lot of attention, but why do
    you think there is particular attention right
  • 41:24 - 41:25
    now?
  • 41:25 - 41:29
    REIHAN SALAM: Well, I have a little theory,
    which is that a lot of us have women in our
  • 41:29 - 41:33
    lives, particularly mothers and grandmothers,
    who came of age at a time when women's contributions
  • 41:33 - 41:37
    weren't necessarily all that valued, and the
    way that women made that mark was in part
  • 41:37 - 41:41
    by serving their families, putting others
    ahead of themselves.
  • 41:41 - 41:47
    And I think people looked at Barbara Bush
    and see a very formidable woman, a very sharp-tongued
  • 41:47 - 41:53
    woman with an acid wit and also a lot of warmth,
    who really helped build a political dynasty,
  • 41:53 - 41:57
    was an incredibly important part of that,
    who didn't necessarily get all the spotlight
  • 41:57 - 42:00
    that she would have gotten otherwise, maybe
    had she come of age at a different time.
  • 42:00 - 42:02
    So, I think that that resonates with a lot
    of folks.
  • 42:02 - 42:07
    They see that this was a major talent who
    had really a pretty big and deep effect on
  • 42:07 - 42:08
    the country.
  • 42:08 - 42:12
    JUDY WOODRUFF: She was a -- Mark, she was
    a wife and a mother, a mother of a president,
  • 42:12 - 42:13
    the wife of a president.
  • 42:13 - 42:14
    MARK SHIELDS: That's right.
  • 42:14 - 42:16
    JUDY WOODRUFF: We followed her over decades.
  • 42:16 - 42:23
    So, she played the traditional role, as Reihan
    said, but she did it with very much her own
  • 42:23 - 42:24
    identity.
  • 42:24 - 42:25
    MARK SHIELDS: She did.
  • 42:25 - 42:29
    And her death has, I think, touched something
    in the nation that has surprised me.
  • 42:29 - 42:32
    I think the response has been national.
  • 42:32 - 42:34
    I think there's a couple of factors, Judy.
  • 42:34 - 42:41
    At a time when the debate about character
    and fitness for office and the president rages
  • 42:41 - 42:49
    and continues to rage in the country, she
    reminds us, as does her husband, of a time
  • 42:49 - 42:53
    when noblesse oblige, that sense of moral
    obligation of those of advantage, those of
  • 42:53 - 43:00
    privilege to act generously and compassionately
    toward those not so gifted, not so blessed
  • 43:00 - 43:04
    was central to our national leadership.
  • 43:04 - 43:10
    At the same time, I agree Reihan's points
    about she was -- she did have an acid tongue.
  • 43:10 - 43:12
    She was capable of that.
  • 43:12 - 43:20
    But I remember the act of courage, a time
    when the AIDS epidemic we had -- we were seized
  • 43:20 - 43:25
    in this country by ignorance and by fear,
    if you shook hands with somebody with AIDS,
  • 43:25 - 43:26
    you could contract the illness.
  • 43:26 - 43:27
    JUDY WOODRUFF: Back in the 1980s.
  • 43:27 - 43:28
    MARK SHIELDS: That's right.
  • 43:28 - 43:34
    And her predecessor, Ronald Reagan, the Reagans,
    had been more than arm's length on this issue.
  • 43:34 - 43:40
    And, in fact, she left the White House and
    went to a Grandma's House, which is a hospice
  • 43:40 - 43:45
    for infants afflicted with AIDS, and held
    and caressed and comforted children.
  • 43:45 - 43:47
    And it was an act of just enormous courage.
  • 43:47 - 43:53
    But I just think we yearn, there's a yearning
    for what they represented, the marriage, the
  • 43:53 - 43:58
    family, that sense of duty, the sense of responsibility
    that each of us has to our country.
  • 43:58 - 43:59
    And I think she just touched it.
  • 43:59 - 44:02
    JUDY WOODRUFF: And we have gotten away from
    that, haven't we?
  • 44:02 - 44:04
    REIHAN SALAM: We certainly have.
  • 44:04 - 44:07
    JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, we certainly think of
    her, we think of the entire Bush family at
  • 44:07 - 44:08
    this moment.
  • 44:08 - 44:11
    Thank you both, Reihan Salam, Mark Shields.
  • 44:11 - 44:12
    MARK SHIELDS: Thank you, Judy.
  • 44:12 - 44:29
    JUDY WOODRUFF: Finally tonight, a story about
    the power of man's best friend.
  • 44:29 - 44:35
    In a new memoir, poet and author Stephen Kuusisto
    details his life-altering connection with
  • 44:35 - 44:36
    a guide dog.
  • 44:36 - 44:42
    And, as Jeffrey Brown discovered, it was a
    change that affected him both as a blind man
  • 44:42 - 44:43
    and as a writer.
  • 44:43 - 44:46
    It is the latest from our "NewsHour" Bookshelf.
  • 44:46 - 44:53
    JEFFREY BROWN: On the campus of Syracuse University,
    a brisk wind and a very brisk walk.
  • 44:53 - 44:56
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO, Author, "Have Dog, Will
    Travel": You know, most of my friends, even
  • 44:56 - 44:59
    my wife, who's very athletic, they can't keep
    up with it.
  • 44:59 - 45:00
    (LAUGHTER)
  • 45:00 - 45:05
    JEFFREY BROWN: It's a perfect match of man
    and dog, 63-year-old Stephen Kuusisto, poet
  • 45:05 - 45:11
    and professor, and Caitlyn, a 4-year-old yellow
    lab trained as a guide dog.
  • 45:11 - 45:16
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: University campuses in general
    are easier than strange cities.
  • 45:16 - 45:22
    JEFFREY BROWN: Kuusisto was born with a condition
    that left him legally blind.
  • 45:22 - 45:26
    He describes his vision as having Vaseline
    smeared on a lens.
  • 45:26 - 45:32
    The author of two volumes of poetry, his new
    memoir, "Have Dog, Will Travel," traces his
  • 45:32 - 45:36
    own path, one that began as a child whose
    mother wanted his blindness hidden.
  • 45:36 - 45:44
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: My job was to really just
    live without the kinds of assistance and accommodations
  • 45:44 - 45:47
    that I needed and to make it seem OK.
  • 45:47 - 45:52
    JEFFREY BROWN: But the way you write, it at
    least came off as a little worse than that,
  • 45:52 - 45:55
    as in, she made it feel shameful.
  • 45:55 - 45:57
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: She did.
  • 45:57 - 46:04
    And you can't emerge with a good sense of
    self-regard and become your own self-advocate
  • 46:04 - 46:05
    in that kind of dynamic.
  • 46:05 - 46:09
    "The kid who couldn't see, he flew right up.
  • 46:09 - 46:12
    His parents came.
  • 46:12 - 46:15
    They banged on pots and pans.
  • 46:15 - 46:22
    They hoped to get him back to earth, but they
    were far below, and the boy was in the sky
  • 46:22 - 46:23
    of verities."
  • 46:23 - 46:30
    JEFFREY BROWN: He describes a limited, small
    life, a fear of anything new, including new
  • 46:30 - 46:31
    places.
  • 46:31 - 46:35
    It wasn't until his late 30s, after losing
    a job, that he came to a realization.
  • 46:35 - 46:39
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: I'm not going to make it
    in the larger world unless I know how to actually
  • 46:39 - 46:42
    navigate the larger world, and this is really
    a crisis.
  • 46:42 - 46:47
    JEFFREY BROWN: The opening came through a
    New York-based training school, where Kuusisto
  • 46:47 - 46:53
    was introduced to his first guide dog, Corky,
    and embarked on a weeks-long process of learning
  • 46:53 - 46:54
    to work together.
  • 46:54 - 46:57
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: At first, I thought, well,
    this will be easy.
  • 46:57 - 47:03
    You show up, they give you a smart dog, and
    it's like picking up a car, and then you leave,
  • 47:03 - 47:04
    right?
  • 47:04 - 47:05
    That's what I thought.
  • 47:05 - 47:10
    And I didn't realize that you learn more about
    dogs than you ever knew possible, one, and,
  • 47:10 - 47:18
    two, they are building you up, the trainers,
    to feel not only that you can do this, but
  • 47:18 - 47:21
    that this was the life you were always meant
    to have.
  • 47:21 - 47:26
    JEFFREY BROWN: As Kuusisto writes in his book,
    the benefits of guide dogs arose from the
  • 47:26 - 47:29
    horrors of war, the First World War.
  • 47:29 - 47:34
    Think of the famous John Singer Sargent painting
    "Gassed," showing a line of soldiers, their
  • 47:34 - 47:35
    eyes bandaged.
  • 47:35 - 47:40
    A German doctor, Gerhard Stalling, seeing
    how dogs had performed under pressure on the
  • 47:40 - 47:44
    battlefield, began training them to help blind
    soldiers.
  • 47:44 - 47:51
    The first guide dog school in the U.S., The
    Seeing Eye, was started by Morris Frank in
  • 47:51 - 47:52
    1929.
  • 47:52 - 47:56
    The movement transformed many lives, including
    Kuusisto's.
  • 47:56 - 48:02
    You describe the first time, when you were
    just getting Corky, your first guide dog,
  • 48:02 - 48:03
    going into Manhattan.
  • 48:03 - 48:04
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: Right.
  • 48:04 - 48:05
    Yes.
  • 48:05 - 48:06
    It was amazing.
  • 48:06 - 48:08
    That defied my capacity as a writer to fully
    explain.
  • 48:08 - 48:13
    That feeling was so immense, to be able to
    go to a jazz club, hop on the subway and go
  • 48:13 - 48:14
    see the Mets.
  • 48:14 - 48:16
    JEFFREY BROWN: All things that you would not
    have been able to do.
  • 48:16 - 48:18
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: No.
  • 48:18 - 48:19
    And I felt secure.
  • 48:19 - 48:24
    JEFFREY BROWN: In the harness, Caitlyn is
    all business, but the moment it comes off
  • 48:24 - 48:28
    at home, she's all play.
  • 48:28 - 48:29
    Look at this.
  • 48:29 - 48:30
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: Get him.
  • 48:30 - 48:31
    Get him.
  • 48:31 - 48:34
    JEFFREY BROWN: In addition to his writing
    and teaching, Kuusisto is also a strong advocate
  • 48:34 - 48:50
    for disability rights, working at Syracuse's
    famed Burton Blatt Institute.
  • 48:50 - 48:55
    He regularly meets with other faculty and
    students to discuss issues of the day.
  • 48:55 - 48:59
    MAN: People with disabilities doesn't mean
    they're not capable of doing something.
  • 48:59 - 49:04
    JEFFREY BROWN: One topic during our visit,
    the terminology associated with disabilities.
  • 49:04 - 49:09
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: But this is why I don't
    believe in the term assistive technology.
  • 49:09 - 49:11
    It's not just technology for the disabled.
  • 49:11 - 49:14
    All technology is assistive technology.
  • 49:14 - 49:19
    JEFFREY BROWN: Kuusisto himself uses a computer
    program when he writes.
  • 49:19 - 49:25
    A voice reads his words back to him.
  • 49:25 - 49:31
    And he recognizes a clear connection between
    his poetry and the new world he found with
  • 49:31 - 49:32
    guide dogs.
  • 49:32 - 49:36
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: We all know, I think, those
    of us who read and love poetry, that one of
  • 49:36 - 49:42
    the things poetry does well is to chart awakenings.
  • 49:42 - 49:48
    There's that spiritual aspect to poetry that
    is slowing down and a coming to real clarity
  • 49:48 - 49:50
    about something.
  • 49:50 - 49:56
    And, as this book proceeded, as I'm writing
    about what Corky and I did together, right,
  • 49:56 - 50:02
    I began to realize, this is about my opening
    up and becoming a larger, more courageous,
  • 50:02 - 50:10
    open, curious, flexible, and outgoing person,
    a person who I didn't know existed.
  • 50:10 - 50:14
    JEFFREY BROWN: Caitlyn is Kuusisto's fourth
    guide dog.
  • 50:14 - 50:20
    In "Have Dog, Will Travel," he writes movingly
    of the death of Corky, his original four-legged
  • 50:20 - 50:23
    companion, who died at age 13 in 2005.
  • 50:23 - 50:29
    STEPHEN KUUSISTO: This is one thing I'm proud
    of, that when she was lying there on the gurney
  • 50:29 - 50:35
    in the vet's office, and it was the final
    moment, and I was about to burst into tears,
  • 50:35 - 50:42
    I realized this is a dog who has cared for
    me and been concerned for me at every turn.
  • 50:42 - 50:46
    And I held her, and I sang to her our favorite
    little walking song.
  • 50:46 - 50:49
    So, she died while hearing that.
  • 50:49 - 50:51
    And then I fell apart.
  • 50:51 - 50:58
    JEFFREY BROWN: For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm
    Jeffrey Brown in Syracuse, New York.
  • 50:58 - 51:00
    JUDY WOODRUFF: Oh, my.
  • 51:00 - 51:02
    Thank you.
  • 51:02 - 51:08
    And before we go: Missouri Governor Eric Greitens
    has been charged with felony for computer
  • 51:08 - 51:11
    data tampering during his 2016 political campaign.
  • 51:11 - 51:17
    Charges filed today allege that Greitens used
    the donor list from the charity The Mission
  • 51:17 - 51:20
    Continues without its permission.
  • 51:20 - 51:24
    Greitens is already facing trial for invasion
    of privacy for allegations that he took a
  • 51:24 - 51:30
    nonconsensual nude photo of a woman with whom
    he was having an affair.
  • 51:30 - 51:34
    Later tonight on "Washington Week," Robert
    Costa will be in charge.
  • 51:34 - 51:40
    He and his guests are going to discuss another
    wild ride of a week in politics.
  • 51:40 - 51:45
    And that will be followed by "In Principle,"
    where President George W. Bush recalls his
  • 51:45 - 51:51
    mother, Barbara Bush, and discusses his ongoing
    work against AIDS in Africa, as well as whether
  • 51:51 - 51:56
    compassionate conservatism still has a place
    in today's Republican Party.
  • 51:56 - 52:02
    Tomorrow, on "PBS NewsHour Weekend": the wave
    of women running for public office, many of
  • 52:02 - 52:04
    them as Republicans.
  • 52:04 - 52:10
    And, finally tonight, we want to welcome a
    new addition to the extended "NewsHour" family.
  • 52:10 - 52:17
    NPR's Tamara Keith, part of our Politics Monday
    team, delivered a newborn son early this morning.
  • 52:17 - 52:19
    Welcome to the world, Gibson.
  • 52:19 - 52:20
    We cannot wait to meet you.
  • 52:20 - 52:24
    Congratulations to Tamara and the whole family.
  • 52:24 - 52:25
    And that is the "NewsHour" for tonight.
  • 52:25 - 52:26
    I'm Judy Woodruff.
  • 52:26 - 52:28
    Have a great weekend.
  • 52:28 - 52:30
    Thank you, and good night.
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PBS NewsHour full episode April 20, 2018
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Friday on the NewsHour, the Democratic National Committee sues Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks for meddling in the 2016 election. Also: James Comey’s memos released, The UN human rights chief on crises in Yemen and Syria, students stage another walkout to protest gun violence, Shields and Salam analyze the week's news and a blind poet details life with his guide dog.

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Video Language:
English
Duration:
53:06

English subtitles

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