Lesson 25 - Family or orphanage - The Pioneer School Extra

Welcome to this next lesson in the Pioneer School, lesson 25.

Today we are taking the next step.

It's time to build churches.

It's time to build new churches
on a new foundation.

We still want to see a reformation
of the church that is already there,

but it's really time to build something new.
And I was looking forward to this moment,

to do this teaching,
to talk about church.

What is the church?
Where church is like a family

but where most people have grown up
in church like an an orphanage.

In this lesson we will look at church as a family

and we'll see that one model does not work for all families.

Every family is different and you can not use one model for all.

You can not use a church model and use that for all churches.

See this lesson, I hope it will bless you,

challenge you, and create a longing in you

to be the church that God wants us to be.

Hello everyone and welcome to lesson 25 of the Pioneer School.

It's half a year since I did the last lesson of the Pioneer School

and a lot has happened since then.
We have moved to a new place,

we are now at the Jesus Center, in Denmark,

1h30 from Aalborg, where we were living before.

We released the movie "7 days of adventure with God"

and many people have been changed through that movie.

And in a few days, we'll release the next film, "The Last Reformation - The Life"

A lot of things have happened since I did the last lesson of the Pioneer School.

I'm excited about life, about what God is doing.

And we are learning so much.

We are seeing so many lives changed!
More than I dreamed, many years ago,

to see lives getting changed.

We meet many people who are starting
with going on YouTube

and then suddenly seeing the movie
"The Last Reformation - The Beginning".

Then they get challenged and provoked,
but long for more.

Then they find the online Pioneer School,
you're looking at now,

and they start this journey with us,

they join PTS training or kickstart.

And it's just beautiful to see what God is doing.

But as I said, we're learning a lot of things
God is doing new things.

And we really believe
that now it's time to take the next step.

It's time to build churches.

It's time to build new churches,

new fellowships, on a new foundation.

I would want to say that the name "The Last Reformation",

is because we want to see a reformation of the church.

And we have been trying to do that.
We tried to reform the church we already have.

We've been trying to reform the church through different ways.

We worked with pastors who came to us and said,

"I want to reform my church,
can you help us? How can we do that?"

We worked with elders who wanted to reform their church, or with members.

And it's not easy. I want to say it: it's not easy!

Many times we have experienced that they
have tried to change that old system,

but without success.

In some cases, the pastor was fired.

In some cases, the elders left the church
or the members needed to leave the church.

Or in some cases, it actually looked
like it is going to be a split.

And every time I see that, I sometimes think, like:

"Jesus, when do we learn? When do we learn
to understand what you are saying? "

Because what do we read
that Jesus is saying? He says:

"Neither you put new wine into old wine skins,

else, the skin bursts, and the wine is spilled
and the skin perished,

but you put new wine into fresh wine skins, and both are preserved. "

This is what Jesus says in Matthew 9:17.

Jesus said you do take this new wine
and put it into old wine skins. Why?

Because the old wine skin can not handle it.

And if you try to do that, the skin is
destroyed and the new wine is spilled.

So to preserve the new wine, what God
is doing, you need new wine skins.

And I don't say that everyone who has a church building, a Sunday meeting, etc. is the old wine skin.

There are people out there who really are the new wine
and who want to be transformed and see a reformation.

But I just want to say, it's not easy.

It's our experience: it's not easy. We will continue to try to reform the church,

we will continue to work with the churches

and we will continue to try to see this reform.

More ...

at the same time, it's really time to build something new too.

It's time to build from scratch,

on new foundations.

instead of "only" spending our time and energy reforming the old system

My friends and I talked a lot about it, prayed a lot for that,

and we know that a lot of people are following us

may have left the church, or else have been saved and are not in an institutional church.

People came to be kickstarted and really experienced this life.

And many ask, "Now what?"

"And now? I'm no longer in a church or in a community,

I left her, or I never attended and I do not integrate in what I see, so what to do?

What is the next step? "

That's what I'd like to talk about now and in the next lessons from Pioneer School.

It will be about the church.

I want to help you remove those religious glasses again

and challenge yourself with regard to the church.

How can we come to see the true church of which the Bible and Jesus speak?

So I hope you're ready to be challenged, ready for the next church lessons

and I hope this will bring freedom to many of you

and that it will also be a foundation for you,

so that you have something to start and you can say, "That's what we want,

that's what we can do. "Then bring people together so that together they build

these communities, churches, groups - call it what you like - from the New Testament.

So I hope you're ready, I'll start with prayer.

God, thank you for what you're doing, thank you for the extraordinary things happening in the world

and what we are allowed to see.

Jesus, we know there is more. There is more than going on the streets,

that the kickstart, than to lead people to Christ,

there is the church. And we want everything.

We want to see New Testament churches appear everywhere.

I pray that you help me share this message

and I pray for those who watch, that you open their eyes and ears to receive the message

and that it is a foundation on which we can build in the future.

Come with your Holy Spirit, in the name of Jesus. Amen.

I'd like to start by talking about things I've talked about before

because I want to continue building

on some things we talked about in the first 20 lessons.

In lesson 17, I talked a little about the church

and we had this.

I was talking about the church ...

and two legs, so to speak, on which she is built.

The first is the great commandment

and the other is the big commission.

We have the great commandment: love God and love your neighbor.

That's what Jesus says, that's where the Fa is built.

Love God with all your being and love your neighbor as yourself.

This is the great commandment.

Then we have the great commission: Go, and make disciples.

This is a definition of what the church is:

people who gather, who love God with all their being

who love each other, who love their neighbor as themselves

and who will make disciples.

So, if we put the church in a box,

it becomes building, staff, program and budget.

The early church loved God, loved his neighbor, and made disciples

without building, staff, program or budget.

You can use your house, you can do that without all these things.

I'm not saying we should not have a building, we have one ourselves

and Paul was preaching in a building, but that's not what defines a church.

The church is these things.

In lesson 17, I also speak of a problem that I see in the church today:

By our way of doing church, there is 10% doing all the work

and they are very, very busy. 30% are frustrated

because they wonder when their turn will come. They also want to be used by God.

So 30% are frustrated and yearning for more.

Then 60% who have ever been frustrated

but who have given up their call, their vision.

Now they are just going to church. They lost the first love and they move away.

For to go away is not to leave the church; the church is the last thing you leave.

To go away is to give up the first love.

I talked about all this, so we need church reform.

But you'll know more by watching lesson 17.

In lesson 18, I spoke about Jesus' vision for the church.

Luke 10. Not that my will be done, but his. This is his vision.

It's not our vision and what we think is the church,

but to determine what He sees as the church,

then do it in his own way.

If you have not seen these lessons yet, I encourage you to watch them

because I will continue and build on some of these foundations for the future.

What is the church?

How is the church done?

That's a good question.

Many already know that this is not the meeting, the building or the institution.

Many already know it so I will not talk about it now.

I'll try to show another image of the church,

a beautiful image that shows what God was thinking when he was thinking of the church.

That's ... the family.

The church is a family.

The church is ...

a family is like a family.

What defines a family?

We are all born in a family.

In the flesh we are born into a family.

We have a mother, a father, brothers and sisters.

And the family is the project of God

for us so that we grow up, become mature

left the house and found our own family.

So God's plan for us, the humans,

growing up in the natural is the family.

This is the purpose of God.

And the idea itself is fantastic!

May God have conceived everything, with a mother and a father

where the mother was supposed to create security

so that we can think: "Everything is fine because mom is there, she loves us, she is here for us."

And with a father to give confidence.

"Go, my son, you can do it!" "Go, my daughter, you are beautiful, my princess!"

A father and a mother create something in us.

Then we have brothers and sisters with whom we grow up.

The family is the purpose of God. Now I know

that many of us grew up in a family that was not perfect.

Maybe you grew up without a father or brothers and sisters,

maybe you did not have a close relationship with your mother.

But in the natural, since the creation, it was supposed to be like that.

That we grow up in an environment with a father, a mother, brothers and sisters.

A family.

This is the perfect idea of God.

Even in a perfect family, people argue,

Even in a perfect family, there are sometimes problems, challenges.

But you forgive yourself and love yourself anyway, for you are a family.

So even the perfect family is never enough.

I believe it's God's plan for us humans to grow up in a family.

Some have grown up without families, some without mothers or father,

or grew up in an orphanage.

Without any parent,

but instead have had leaders,

leaders who do their work and then return to their own families.

And that's how many people have lived in the church - I'll talk about it later -

not like a family with parents,

but as an orphanage with rulers.

And there is really a very, very big difference

between living in an orphanage with leaders and in a family with parents.

But I'll come back to it. I will start by saying that God wants the family.

The family is the purpose of God.

God is our Father.

Jesus is our savior but also our brother.

We are all brothers and sisters. We are a family.

A family is a setting in which you are born, or adopted.

And for our good, when we are born again, we are born in the family of God.

John 1:12says:

"But to all who have received it, to those who believe in his name,

she gave the power to become children of God,

which are born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,

neither of the will of man, but of God. "

When you are born again, you become a child of God,

you enter the family of God, the true family.

In Matthew 12, Jesus spoke of the family when his mother and his brothers came to him.

They thought that Jesus had lost his head, that he was mad.

He was teaching and someone said to him,

"Jesus, your mother and your brothers are outside, they want to talk to you."

Jesus answered him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?"

Then he pointed to his disciples and said,

"See, my mother and my brothers are here.

For he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven is my brother, my sister, or my mother. "

Imagine Jesus ...

Put yourself in the place of the mother or brothers of Jesus.

They come to talk to Jesus. They think he lost his mind at that moment.

They come as families, close to Jesus.

The brothers, the mother. And Jesus said to all who are present:

"Who is my family? In fact, they are not those people.

These are these people. That's my real family. "

It seems so radical that Jesus saw these people as his true family.

There's a saying in Denmark ... -I think it's used everywhere-

"Blood is thicker than water."

What does that mean?

That the family is stronger than friendship.

What people mean by that is that the family always comes first.

It's good to have friends, but if you had to choose between friends and family,

it would be the family, because it is more important,

deeper, or stronger. The blood is thicker than the water.

But what about the mind?

The mind is thicker than the other two.

The mind is thicker in many ways. We become a spirit.

And I would like to say that the idea of God with the church,

it's really not a membership, where we become members of the same institution,

of the same church,

being obliged to love one another because one frequents the same church:

p.m. "Hello! Hello! How are you? Good thanks. Everything is fine? Yes everything is fine."

People do not communicate. The idea of God with the church is a family.

Something that brings us together,

which is even deeper than what one lives with the natural family,

especially if they are not born again because if you are a family born again

so of course it's even more special.

I want to start by saying that ...

personally, I was in a church,

I helped start a church and then another church

before you start to taste

to the church as a family.

You can be in a church all your life help start churches, without ever experimenting

the true church, which is a family.

And I'm not saying we're here because we're learning and growing up.

But what we see now, I think it's extraordinary.

We see a family!

We're starting to see this in a really beautiful way.

It's not a membership in an institution, it's a family and a spirit.

And this family is so much stronger

than anything else.

If you look at this: Family and Orphanage

There is a very, very big difference between the two.

As I said, the family has parents.

The vocation of parents in life is their children.

The orphanage has leaders. Their role is to do a good job.

But when this job is done,

they go home to their families, those people they really love,

those people for whom they would be willing to give their lives.

But in a family, as parents you have a goal: your children.

It's not about you, but about your children.

Your goal is to see your children healthy, to see them grow up,

to see them be independent,

to see them leave the house, have children,

to see your mature children.

People do not just make children just for fun, they take it seriously.

And it takes all their time.

Many of us have never experienced this.

Many have experimented

the church as an orphanage, with rulers.

No parents, many leaders,

with a lot of control and rules, and little time for everyone

because in an orphanage there are some leaders and many, many children.

We do not really have time to get to know each other.

Many of us have experienced the church, which is more of a program than a life,

where one speaks, grows up, as one does in a family.

Since working with churches and building communities,

there is a recurring problem,

is that people come from an orphanage church

in which they were wounded. And this wound, this bitterness

is there, and it generates fear in people, who are afraid to submit again.

They are afraid to submit and to be hurt again. They are afraid of ...

They want to be independent in a way that is not healthy.

We can not be the church alone.

You can not be the church alone.

None of us is the body of Christ alone, we are all a member of the body

and we really need each other.

We can not grow alone,

we need each other, we need to experience the true church.

The question is:

How to become a family?

How to become this true church?

If you're at home and want to start a New Testament church,

If you want to experience this family of which the Bible speaks, this church ...

how to do?

The first thing, and some people will think it's obvious but ...

People think they know it, but it's not the case.

The first thing to experience this unity, this life, this family

is that you must be born again.

People must be born again and have the same spirit.

You can not be one with people who do not have the same spirit.

This is not possible because it is a unity in spirit.

Not in the blood, but in spirit.

And you can not be one with people who do not have the same spirit.

And I see there a big problem with the churches today because as I said before,

Many of those who attend churches are not really born again.

Many of those who attend churches are not really born again.

So you can not have this unity in mind.

You can not have that if people do not have the same spirit.

Impossible. And we see more and more that our churches

compromise the truth, compromise the gospel,

to have members in the church.

And because we compromise and are no longer radical,

people come into the church, who have another spirit, who are not born again

therefore you do not experience this family, it is not possible!

So to live that, you must be born again.

As in the physical, you must be born into a family to be a family.

You must have the same spirit.

You must also have the same "A.D.N.": the same vision, the same truth.

It's not enough to have the same mind, you have to have the same truth.

Jesus makes it clear in John 4 when he explains how to worship him.

He says, "God is spirit, and those who worship him, worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24)

He did not say, "Those who worship him, worship him in spirit only."

or "in truth only". He said, "in spirit AND in truth".

What I mean by that is: spirit = born again.

Truth is having the right understanding, the foundation, the same vision.

You can not build a unity with someone who has twenty different ideas of the church

and their expectations in life.

You can not be in unity with someone who would say:

"No, you have to go there," "I like it", "I want to make church friendly"

"No, I do not like it, I should go in that direction."

This is not possible.

I've been to places where people have tried.

And it did not work.

And very often, we end up spending a lot of time

trying to build something that we can not build.

It must come to "it is not my will, but yours, God."

What Jesus says about the church is the church, it's not our own ideas.

What is good for Jesus is the good thing.

But if these things, the spirit, the understanding, and the truth are there,

so it's possible to experiment ...

the family.

It is possible to experience the church as a family where what you live

is very strong.

You really like those people with whom you are.

You want to die for these people.

And you grow very, very fast, in a healthy way

because you are in an environment of spiritual parents, of family.

And in a good frame, people grow up very quickly spiritually.

So to the question "how to become a family?",

I would answer: first, make sure everyone is born again.

Second, make sure you build on the same foundation.

People sometimes ask, "How to get together?"

"How to do church?"

And I would say that, as you will see,

it's not about the program.

How do you become a family? As part of a family,

how do you eat?

Every time you say, "Welcome to this table.

First dad will say something. Then my little sister will sing a song.

When she has saluted and sung,

my mother will say something, then it will be my turn. "

In a family, when you're together at the table,

do you do a program?

Not often, is it? It's rather organic.

It's done alone.

It grows organically

and every family is different.

This is difficult for us to understand because of our very, very big religious glasses.

And about teaching ...

When I was born again, I met my wife Lene,

we got married, and my father-in-law became my spiritual father.

And I would say it was him who taught me.

He trained me at the beginning.

He was like a spiritual father giving me the foundation.

He taught me a lot of things.

But in all these years he taught me,

we never organized a meeting with a program.

Never.

All the teachings are done naturally.

I was sitting in their living room with my Bible,

I had read something that I did not understand and asked my father-in-law:

"I do not understand, what about this and that?" And he explained to me.

"Aaaah ... That is to say? Aaaah OK.

But what about that? "And he explained to me.

So he was the one who laid the foundation in my life, who taught me.

But there was no planned meeting,

no "welcome" or "that's what we're going to study today."

Everything was done in a natural way.

It was part of a family.

And I think there's something here that we've lost.

I'll talk more about it later.

When we talk about the program, it's a challenge because we want programs.

We want to know exactly how to do it. We want a program point by point.

"That's what to do when you get together."

One of the verses that is very used

in the movement of house groups,

's 1 Corinthians 14:2634:13where Paul says,

"What do you do, brothers?

When you assemble, does everyone have a song,

an instruction, a revelation, a language, an interpretation,

let all things be done for edification. "

This verse was ...

I love it because it's a powerful verse

but many house churches, organic, simple, are based on this verse.

But this verse can also become a new institution, a new system.

It can become a new law.

And we say to ourselves, "OK, here's how. Paul says that every time we meet,

everyone has something ... Who has a song? OK, you.

Then you have a teaching, then she will give a speech in tongues

and she will give the interpretation, etc. "

And it becomes like a model to do the church.

The way to go is to get together and do that, that, that and that.

I do not think that's the way it is.

I do not think that's what Paul meant.

By saying that, he was not saying that it should be a rule.

Why? Because it was not Paul's rule. He did not do it himself.

Paul did not do that!

He did not live in such a way that when he found people,

he said, "Now you have to do this and that ..."

Paul did not do that.

No, when Paul taught, we read in Acts 20 that he preached all night.

Paul did not say that night, "You're going to do that, you're going to do that, etc."

He did not do that! Paul talked all night!

He preached so much that there was a man who fell asleep, fell out the window and died!

Paul ran, raised him up, and all went well.

Then he went on preaching for a long time until dawn.

You can read that in Acts 20: 9.

So here we have Paul who, at one place,

says the verse 1 Corinthians 14:26.

In another place, he preached all night.

We also read in Acts 19, at Ephesus, that he used the school of Tyrannus

and that he preached there daily.

So Paul did not apply what he recommended to others.

I think what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:26,

He said it to the church of Corinth.

He said to this community, to this family, "This is what you must do now."

To other families he would have said something else and he would have done otherwise.

To other families still differently. Why?

For there are not two families, two churches that are identical.

And I'm going to use an image to show you

that one can not use a church model for all communities.

You can not use a model for all churches.

Every church, every community is different.

And if we want to succeed in making disciples,

we have to get out of this mentality of looking for the right model.

It's not a model, it's about people.

It's about being above the models, looking beyond to see what is the need

rather than focusing on this model. I'll show you an image I'll come back to

still in the family theme.

This is a very beautiful picture, I like it a lot.

She can teach us a lot about New Testament churches and discipleship.

A year and a half ago, my son Sonni got married to a great swedish girl, Hannah.

So Sonni left home and got married to Hannah.

And they became a family.

Sonni and Hannah were a childless family.

They had a lot of time,

for them, for the friends, to do what they wanted.

It was mostly Sonni and Hannah. They were talking about them.

But one day, 8 months ago ...

my grandson has arrived.

A few months after their marriage, she became pregnant

and nine months later they had little David,

my wonderful grandson.

When he arrived, their life changed.

From one second to the next, everything has changed.

They are always a family,

but now it's a family with a baby (or babies).

What they did as a childless family,

they can not do it now with a baby.

Everything changed from one day to the next.

What they were doing yesterday, they can not do it today.

If you look at Lene and me, we are still a family.

We have two other kids at home: Stephanie, 16

and Simone, 13 years old.

So we always have kids at home.

But we do not have babies, we do not need to get up at night,

no more need to give milk.

Now we are a family with children, but without a baby.

At the same time, we are also grandparents.

We are grandparents and have children who have left home.

I think there is a very clear model here.

Not a model, I do not like that term, but there is a clear picture of the church.

For the church is a family.

A family without children

needs help to have children.

It's often the next step: having children.

So they have kids, and all of a sudden, it's just kids.

It's about milk, diapers, and lots of other things.

And what they were doing yesterday, they can not do it today.

Everything has changed from one day to the next.

And there's a time in their life when they have babies

and teach these babies to eat alone.

There's also a time when you do not have babies, but you have children

who are preparing to grow up and leave the house.

And you help the children, you train them to be mature enough to leave the house.

Then there are the grandchildren.

That should be the same with the church.

The idea is that the church is like a family.

You are born into a family,

you are like a baby who needs milk.

Then you grow up and become mature

and finally you leave the house and start your own family.

And if you make a connection with the church, every church is different.

If there is a community or church without children,

so you have to help them.

A childless church needs help.

Why? To have children.

A church without children -we're talking about spiritual children-

it's not good! There is something wrong!

There is something wrong in a community where there are no spiritual newborns.

Something's wrong!

It's not healthy if you have a community with the same twenty people for ten years.

Sorry, I have to provoke a little.

I remember a long time ago, I visited a church.

I was with a girl who had been converted for two weeks.

I had to preach that day, and I love to provoke.

So I brought this girl in front of the church

and I said, "Look at this girl,

she's been a believer for two weeks! "

And everyone did: "Congratulations! Welcome to the family!"

Everyone was exalted by the fact that this girl had just converted.

Then I said to the church:

"Yes ... When was the last time you saw this?

When did you see a person born again for the last time?

My question shocked the whole church because everyone was looking around ...

and the last person they saw coming to Christ was five or six years ago.

Some churches have never seen anyone come to Christ.

So these are not good communities, something is wrong.

The idea, in becoming a family, is to reproduce,

is to cover the whole earth. That's what God has commanded us.

In physics: having babies and children. In the spiritual: to have babies and children.

So if you have a childless community,

do not continue to do what you've always done:

teachings, teachings, teachings, teachings ...

and great theologies and foundations.

If there are no children, you must help them to have children.

This is where an evangelist or someone comes into the church and equips the saints to be effective

to have children.

You have to learn things about bees, flowers ...

No, you must learn how to have babies!

Learn to preach the gospel, lead people to Christ,

to be guided by the Holy Spirit, to find a person of peace.

So a childless family has to be helped to have children.

And once you have the kids?

What you did yesterday does not work if you have five children at once!

You can not keep doing what you did

and run around the streets every day as usual

if suddenly you have five new converts!

For now, these babies need milk!

It's important to understand that because we do not see what's going on around us.

We do as usual.

And even evangelizing on the street is a good start when you do not have a baby,

but otherwise, do not leave these children.

This is the time for milk.

And then this church, this family with children, needs help.

She needs the five ministries, she needs the pastor to teach them.

She needs the teacher to lay the foundation.

She needs people who come to help

to give milk.

But you're not supposed to give them milk all their lives!

Give milk, it's a mother who eats,

then she gives the baby breast because the baby can not eat alone.

We should very quickly feed the spiritual children

to grow and feed alone.

There is a problem if people need someone to teach them after 10, 20, 30 years.

They should have grown up already!

To be mature and able to feed themselves.

Once you have laid the foundation,

they need discipleship.

They need to be dependent on the Holy Spirit.

The reason I wrote this is because they should not be dependent on you!

That's a problem. Many people in churches

are afraid to let go.

I remember when I left home, my mother was crying, "Oooh, Torben is leaving the house ..."

It was not easy for my mother to let go.

In churches, we must be better at making them understand

that these children are not supposed to be here all their lives,

but for a short time, to grow and mature,

and to teach them

not to be dependent on you,

but to be dependent on God.

To grow up to feed themselves, to learn to depend on God,

so that they can leave the house and start their own family.

That's what happens in the natural.

If we observe a natural family, we have these four stages.

We have families without children.

They need help to have children.

We have families with babies!

They have to take care of babies.

We have families with children.

You have to teach them, help them grow and mature, to take on responsibilities.

The baby has no responsibility, you do not ask him to tidy his room

or wash the dishes.

But you say that to children because they have to learn.

And if they do not learn, they will never grow up

and if they do not grow up, they will never leave home and will never be able to found their families.

Then we have children who have left home, and grandparents.

And for a grandparent, it's important not to control the kids.

It's important to let go, to understand that they are independent.

My son Sonni has grown up, he is independent.

I'm here to support him, but not to control him

or to decide how he should manage his family.

It's his responsibility, I'm here to support him.

And I think that's what the church should look like.

That's what we'd like to talk about later.

The church is like a family.

We should have children.

In every community, there should be children.

When there is no child, you have to learn to have children.

You have to learn how to do it, and these are things we teach here at the Pioneer School.

We give you the steps, we see Luke 10 and also how to preach the gospel.

How to find a person of peace, lead people to Christ, have children.

With The Last Reformation, we worked a lot on ...

Yes, our goal was mainly: how to have children,

how to live this life, go and bear fruit.

But we also recognize that it's not enough to have children,

then you have to give milk to these children.

It's important to understand that ...

we do not just give milk to these people around us,

but we teach them to feed themselves very, very quickly

so that they can eat and not depend on us all the time.

It's important to understand that these children we have,

no matter what type of community,

we only have them for a very, very short time

so that they learn to be mature, to grow,

to leave the house and have their own family,

their own spiritual children.

And these grow up, leave the house and have their own family.

And then we are not only parents, but grandparents.

Not only in the physical but also in the spiritual.

Then we become great-grandparents, because our grandchildren have children.

Then we become great-great-grandparents.

Then we become great-great-great grandparents.

Then we become great-great-great-great-grandparents.

And we see a multiplication of the church.

These are the same foundations: family, life,

and not a model because as I said,

the model that works for this family does not work for this one.

The model that works for this family does not work for this one.

The model for this family may be suitable today, but not tomorrow because they will have left home.

Or this model suits today, but did not fit yesterday, etc.

So I hope you got something out of it.

In the next lesson, I'm going to continue

to talk about these things, in a more practical way.

I'll give even more examples to show what it looks like,

how you can quickly see what is the need in a community,

what is the need now?

And how do we go from there to there, from there to there, from there to there,

then it's repeated, then it's repeated again.

This is something we can learn and do simply.

I'll talk about it in the next lesson, where I'll be much more concrete, with more examples.

So I hope you got something out of it.

Next time, God bless you, goodbye.