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An honest look at price, innovation and who powers the economy

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    Value creation.
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    Wealth creation.
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    These are really powerful words.
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    Maybe you think of finance,
    you think of innovation,
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    you think of creativity.
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    But who are the value creators?
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    If we use that word, we must be implying
    that some people aren't creating value.
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    Who are they?
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    The couch potatoes?
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    The value extractors?
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    The value destroyers?
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    To answer this question, we actually
    have to have a proper theory of value,
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    and I'm here as an economist
    to break it to you
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    that we've kind of lost our way
    on this question.
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    Now, don't look so surprised.
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    Now, what I mean by that is
    we've stopped contesting it.
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    We've stopped actually asking
    really tough questions
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    about what is the difference between
    value creation and value extraction,
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    productive and unproductive activities?
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    Now, let me just give you
    some context here.
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    2009 was just about a year and a half
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    after one of the biggest
    financial crises of our time,
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    second only to the 1929 Great Depression,
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    and the CEO of Goldman Sachs said
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    Goldman Sachs workers are the most
    productive in the world.
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    Now, productivity and productiveness
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    for an economist actually has
    a lot to do with value.
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    You're producing stuff,
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    you're producing it
    dynamically and efficiently.
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    You're also producing things
    that the world needs, wants, and buys.
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    Now, how this could have been said
    just one year after the crisis
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    which actually had this bank
    as well as many other banks,
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    and just kind of picking
    on Goldman Sachs here,
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    at the center of the crisis because
    they had actually produced
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    some pretty problematic financial products
    mainly but not only related to mortgages
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    which saw many thousands of people
    actually lose their homes.
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    In 2010 in just one month, September,
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    120,000 people lost their homes
    through the foreclosures of that crisis.
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    Between 2007 and 2010,
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    8.8 million people lost their jobs.
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    Now, the bank also had to then
    be bailed out by the US taxpayer
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    for the sum of 10 billion dollars.
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    We didn't hear the taxpayers bragging
    that they were value creators,
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    but obviously having bailed out
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    one of the biggest value-creating
    productive companies,
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    perhaps they should have.
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    Now, what I want to do next
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    is kind of ask ourselves
    how we lost our way,
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    how it could be, actually,
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    that a statement like that
    could almost go unnoticed,
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    because it wasn't an after dinner joke,
    it was said very seriously.
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    So what I want do is bring you back
    300 years in economic thinking
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    when actually the term was contested.
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    It doesn't mean that
    they were right or wrong,
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    but you couldn't just call yourself
    a value creator, a wealth creator.
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    There was a lot of debate
    within the economics profession,
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    and what I want to argue is
    we've kind of lost our way,
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    and that has actually allowed this term
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    "wealth creation" and "value"
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    to become quite weak and lazy
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    and also easily captured.
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    OK? So let's start,
    I hate to break it to you,
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    300 years ago.
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    Now, what was interesting 300 years ago
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    was the society was still
    an agricultural type of society,
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    so it's not surprising
    that the economists of the time,
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    who were called the Physiocrats,
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    actually put the center
    of their attention to farm labor.
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    When they said, "Where
    does value come from?"
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    they looked at farming,
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    and they produced what I think
    was probably the world's first spreadsheet
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    called the "Tableau Economique,"
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    and this was done by François Quesnay,
    one of the leaders of this movement.
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    And it was very interesting,
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    because they didn't just say
    "farming is the source of value."
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    They then really worried about
    what was happening to that value
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    when it was produced.
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    So what the Tableau Economique does,
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    and I've tried to make it
    a bit simpler here for you,
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    is it broke down the classes
    in society into three.
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    The farmers, creating value,
    were called the "productive class,"
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    and then others who were just
    moving some of this value around
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    but it was useful, it was necessary,
    these were the merchants,
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    they were called "the proprietors."
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    And then there was another class
    that was simply charging the farmers a fee
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    for an existing asset, the land,
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    and they called them "the sterile class."
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    Now, this is a really heavy-hitting word
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    if you think what it means,
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    that if too much of the resources
    are going to the landlords,
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    you're actually putting the reproduction
    potential of the system at risk.
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    And so all these little arrows there
    were their way of simulating --
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    again, spreadsheets and simulators,
    these guys were really using big data --
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    they were simulating what would
    actually happen under different scenarios
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    if the wealth actually wasn't
    reinvested back into production
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    to make that land more productive
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    and actually being
    siphoned out in different ways,
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    or even if the proprietors
    were getting too much.
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    And what later happened in the 1800s,
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    and this was no longer
    the Agricultural Revolution
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    but the Industrial Revolution
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    is that the classical economists,
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    and these were Adam Smith, David Ricardo,
    Karl Marx the revolutionary,
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    also asked the question "what is value"
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    but it's not surprising that
    because they were actually living
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    through an industrial era
    with the rise of machines and factories,
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    they said it was industrial labor.
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    So they had a labor theory of value.
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    But again, their focus was reproduction,
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    this real worry of what was happening
    to the value that was created
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    if it was getting siphoned out.
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    And in "The Wealth of Nations,"
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    Adam Smith had this really great example
    of the pin factory where, he said,
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    if you only have one person
    making every bit of the pin,
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    at most you can make one pin a day,
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    but if you actually invest in factory
    production and the division of labor,
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    new thinking,
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    think of it today we would use the word
    "organizational innovation,"
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    then you could increase the productivity
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    and the growth and the wealth of nations.
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    So he showed that 10 specialized workers
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    who had been invested in
    in their human capital
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    could produce 4,800 pins a day,
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    as opposed to just one
    by an unspecialized worker.
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    And he and his fellow classical economists
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    also broke down activities
    into productive and unproductive ones,
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    (Laughter),
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    and the unproductive ones weren't --
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    I think you're laughing because
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    most of you are up
    on that list, aren't you.
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    Lawyers!
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    I think he was right about the lawyers.
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    Definitely not the professors,
    the letters of all kind people.
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    So lawyers, professors,
    shopkeepers, musicians.
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    He obviously hated the opera.
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    He must have seen
    the worst performance of his life
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    the night before writing this book,
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    because there's at least
    three professions up there
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    that have to do with the opera.
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    But this wasn't an exercise
    of saying, "Don't do these things."
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    It was just, "What's going to happen
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    if we actually end up allowing
    some parts of the economy to get too large
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    without really thinking about
    how to increase the productivity
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    of the source of the value
    that they thought was key,
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    which was industrial labor.
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    And again, don't ask yourself
    is this right or is this wrong,
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    it was just very contested.
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    By making these lists,
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    it actually forced them also
    to ask interesting questions.
Title:
An honest look at price, innovation and who powers the economy
Speaker:
Mariana Mazzucato
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Duration:
18:55
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