Netscape Mozilla Documentary 1998 - 2000 Project Code Rush - Creative Commons licence CC BY-NC-SA 3.0
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0:17 - 0:20I talk to lots of people who come here
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0:20 - 0:22looking for the Silicon Valley experience
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0:22 - 0:24They arrive with one suit case in hand
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0:24 - 0:28when they head south on the 101.
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0:28 - 0:29Hoping to see it this place they've heard about
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0:29 - 0:35and its freeways, and its office parks
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0:35 - 0:37and its strip malls, and
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0:37 - 0:39it looks like every place they've ever been
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0:39 - 0:42end up wondering where are they come,
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0:42 - 0:42why did they come here,
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0:43 - 0:45what was that brought them
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0:47 - 0:52Code itself is the underlying thing that makes computers work
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0:52 - 0:54Why is it important to the world, it's because
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0:54 - 0:58it's the blood of the organism, that's our culture now,
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0:58 - 1:00it makes everything go
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1:02 - 1:05Technology has become a God of our society now
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1:05 - 1:07I mean I think that its--people stand in awe of it
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1:07 - 1:09and stand in awe of the people that make it
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1:19 - 1:23There's a sense that software is a kind of new frontier
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1:23 - 1:25it's you know it's the old gold rush metaphor
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1:25 - 1:27the California gold rush all over again
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1:27 - 1:30It's the kind of Hollywood of the Twenties.
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1:30 - 1:35This very small set of people is really defining
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1:35 - 1:37how our world's gonna be like
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1:37 - 1:40I mean you know the computer becoming ubiquitous
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1:40 - 1:42and the way we interact with the world
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1:42 - 1:45more and more mediated through the computer
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1:46 - 1:48is this very small group of people
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1:48 - 1:51defining what that world's gonna be like.
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1:52 - 1:53Netscape!
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1:53 - 1:55everywhere!
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1:55 - 1:56team!
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1:56 - 1:57fight!
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1:58 - 1:59Less than three years ago
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1:59 - 2:02a small team of engineers at Netscape Communications
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2:02 - 2:05created software that made surfing the Internet easy
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2:05 - 2:09and in the process change the face of computing
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2:10 - 2:13On this day however, the company is in big trouble
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2:13 - 2:17driven to the ground by its rival and software colossus Microsoft
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2:17 - 2:20Only a radical strategy will help save it.
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2:21 - 2:23"Let's hear a loud Mozilla!"
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2:23 - 2:28Mozilla! Mozilla! Mozilla!
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2:29 - 2:31Netscape is giving away its source code
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2:31 - 2:33to programmers outside the company
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2:34 - 2:37The source code is the secret formula for browsing the web
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2:38 - 2:41The code is named Mozilla and if widely adapted
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2:41 - 2:44it will make Netscape's code the Internet standard
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2:44 - 2:46drawing users to its other products
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2:46 - 2:49and restoring the company's sagging fortunes.
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2:50 - 2:52Our story focuses on team of engineers
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2:52 - 2:54who will come together in this building
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2:55 - 2:56Over the course of the next year
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2:56 - 3:00they will turn their lives inside-out to create Mozilla
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3:00 - 3:03and battle a giant competitor to save their company
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3:03 - 3:05and shape the future of computing.
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3:12 - 3:16Right now we have a problem with the work looks like it can't possibly be done
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3:16 - 3:19for the date we announced
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3:19 - 3:21so were just trying to
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3:22 - 3:26drill down on how doomed we are
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3:26 - 3:31and sometimes the only way to do that is
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3:31 - 3:33to get everybody in the room and stare each other in the eyes.
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3:33 - 3:36We said were giving you Netscape Communicator on 3/31
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3:36 - 3:39so if were not giving them Netscape Communicator on 3/31
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3:39 - 3:40we need a way to address that.
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3:41 - 3:45The goal is to get Mozilla to developpers by March 31th
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3:45 - 3:47a few shorts weeks from now
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3:47 - 3:50it is one of the most ambitious schedules in the company history.
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3:50 - 3:51- It's a joke
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3:51 - 3:52- I think we have been very exclusive
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3:59 - 4:02Michael Toy one of Netscape's first employees
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4:02 - 4:05heads the team that will prepare Mozilla for public release.
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4:08 - 4:11We're probably doomed, we're probably gonna fail
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4:11 - 4:13Microsoft is probably gonna squish us like bug anyway
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4:13 - 4:15but just cause were doomed doesn't mean
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4:15 - 4:18you know we cant get up in the morning and do work
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4:19 - 4:21All rise
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4:22 - 4:25the honorable Michael Toy presiding.
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4:27 - 4:29I'm pretty flip with my kids about what I do.
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4:29 - 4:32What do you do at work dad? Oh I don't know I sit in meetings
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4:32 - 4:35and feel depressed and I read e-mail.
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4:35 - 4:36Oh oh you got me!
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4:36 - 4:39But they think my office is the greatest place in the world though
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4:39 - 4:41It's like "Oh were going to your office?"
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4:41 - 4:43"Oh yeah yippie I love going to your office!"
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4:43 - 4:46They play with the guns and there is free soda
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4:46 - 4:48and there is the giant balls
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4:48 - 4:52basically I work at Disneyland as far as they're concerned.
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4:52 - 4:54I talk about marathon versus sprint.
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4:54 - 4:57The hard part is to run with significant intensity the all way
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4:57 - 5:00knowing that if you ever start walking
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5:00 - 5:02you're not going to make it and just keep the end in sight
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5:02 - 5:04and know that there's this urgency.
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5:05 - 5:08Jim Roskind an expert on software security
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5:08 - 5:11is brought in to enforce rigorous standards of engineering precision.
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5:11 - 5:13Imagine if you had a project
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5:13 - 5:15where you felt doom was imminent
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5:15 - 5:17all the different players wondering
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5:17 - 5:18are they pushed beyond their level
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5:18 - 5:20can they think of way of running faster,
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5:20 - 5:21can anyone help them?
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5:22 - 5:23So there's lot of tension
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5:23 - 5:26and anxiety over making the schedule.
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5:27 - 5:30Jamie Zawinski, free source code evangelist
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5:30 - 5:33will enlist outside developers to Netscape's cause.
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5:33 - 5:36The free source thing is trying to change the rules, right.
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5:37 - 5:40There are people who have the free software religion,
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5:40 - 5:42the one thing they have in common is they're all hackers
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5:42 - 5:45they all like writing code
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5:46 - 5:49so you hoping to tap in to all of those smart people
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5:49 - 5:52and get something from them, you know, so that everyone benefits.
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5:56 - 5:59I'm talking about two millions, two and half millions lines of code
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5:59 - 6:01and everyone of them has to be gone over
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6:01 - 6:03carefully and in some cases twice.
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6:08 - 6:10With hundreds of engineers converging on Mozilla,
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6:10 - 6:12with new code to enable its release,
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6:12 - 6:14Tara Hernandez makes sure
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6:14 - 6:16that their changes do not crash Mozilla
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6:16 - 6:18and brings everyones work to a halt.
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6:18 - 6:19This is how we keep track
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6:19 - 6:21of all the changes that are going in.
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6:21 - 6:22Green is good.
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6:24 - 6:26Lot of changes going on right here,
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6:26 - 6:27and wham, the build all died.
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6:27 - 6:30Ok, alright, bye.
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6:34 - 6:35We're doomed.
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6:36 - 6:39Some of the worst crashes are reserved for Scott Collins
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6:39 - 6:41a veteran code writer who stands by
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6:41 - 6:43for late night troubleshooting.
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6:46 - 6:48I've been here for about
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6:48 - 6:50I don't know, 60 hours or so.
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6:50 - 6:52Writing software is different from
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6:52 - 6:54selling real estate.
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6:55 - 6:57Selling real estate you sell the people
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6:57 - 6:58the people sleep at night.
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6:58 - 7:01When they go to sleep you have to stop selling real estate
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7:01 - 7:02Computers never sleep.
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7:06 - 7:08You can see my cube is decked out a little bit better than
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7:08 - 7:10all the people's.
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7:11 - 7:13I have a nice couch
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7:13 - 7:16little mattress under there I can sleep in
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7:16 - 7:17artwork from my children
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7:17 - 7:19I have control the light switches.
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7:19 - 7:22This is what I'd like to get if my wife truly love me
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7:22 - 7:23she'd let me have one.
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7:24 - 7:26Life is good.
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7:31 - 7:31Ok
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7:32 - 7:33Bug count.
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7:33 - 7:37Alright, there are a ton of bugs on here that
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7:37 - 7:39people just aren't doing anything about.
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7:39 - 7:41To give away its code
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7:41 - 7:44Netscape engineers must make thousands of bug fixes
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7:44 - 7:46Often minute changes that will allow the code
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7:46 - 7:48to be used by outside developpers.
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7:49 - 7:51Jeff Weinstein has, one, two,
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7:51 - 7:52three, four, five, six,
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7:52 - 7:54seven, eight, nine, ten,
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7:54 - 7:56eleven, twelve, thirteen.
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7:56 - 7:58One bug hidden in the mass of code
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7:58 - 7:59can stop everyone else's work
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7:59 - 8:01and can threaten the ship date.
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8:01 - 8:03I need someone to page Jeff Weinstein
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8:03 - 8:05and get him to call 2024.
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8:05 - 8:08Even a team of twenty people building a car
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8:08 - 8:10it's easy to step back fourty feet and look and go
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8:10 - 8:12"Hold it, that guy has not putting on the wheel"
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8:12 - 8:15You have fourty programmers working
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8:15 - 8:17they all come to you with code, a gigantic morass
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8:17 - 8:20of little details piled up on a disc
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8:20 - 8:22usually can even see the pieces whether they're doing it correctly
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8:22 - 8:24You have to assemble it into a whole
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8:24 - 8:25and then see if the whole works
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8:25 - 8:27and then you're not even sure of who gave you the bad bits.
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8:32 - 8:34That would be bad. Let's go downstairs, come on!
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8:34 - 8:36You're talking about a recipe.
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8:36 - 8:37Who gave you the bad flour.
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8:37 - 8:38Someone went out to grind flour,
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8:38 - 8:40and they had to all be exactly
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8:40 - 8:42the right size chunks of flour.
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8:42 - 8:43Someone else made chocolate chips,
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8:43 - 8:45they all had to be exactly the right size chunks.
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8:45 - 8:47You can't figure it out until you put it all together
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8:47 - 8:48you hand it out, and people go.
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8:48 - 8:49"I don't like the way this tastes"
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8:51 - 8:52And now you have to wonder,
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8:52 - 8:54with all these details coming together
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8:54 - 8:56which was the problem
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8:56 - 8:58who's causing the problem, how can you fix it?
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8:58 - 9:00You've got to ship on a certain time.
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9:00 - 9:02And now you have all this people,
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9:02 - 9:05you have the clock ticking and it gets pretty intense.
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9:06 - 9:07Since Netscape began
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9:07 - 9:09the amount of code making up Mozilla
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9:09 - 9:11has increased by a factor of 30.
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9:11 - 9:13The job of programming and debugging it
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9:13 - 9:16rests upon a precarious balance of science and art.
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9:19 - 9:22They talk about what they do as if
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9:22 - 9:25it was a kind of alchemy, a kind of wizardry.
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9:25 - 9:28It does remind me of athletics in that way.
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9:28 - 9:30You know why is someone a good baseball hitter?
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9:31 - 9:33Often the hitters themselves can't really explain it.
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9:34 - 9:36And often the best software people
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9:36 - 9:40cannot themselves understand why they're so good at it.
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9:40 - 9:44But I think make a great programmer is being raised techie.
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9:44 - 9:47My particular team at Netscape, I think we all grew up techie
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9:47 - 9:51We all grew up with computers around us somewhere,
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9:51 - 9:54so that we were exposed to them before we became
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9:55 - 9:58adults, if any of us are really adults
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9:58 - 10:00Jim is the most grownup of us.
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10:02 - 10:05A lot of my childhood from roughly age 6 to age 17
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10:05 - 10:06was around here.
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10:07 - 10:10Life was just a nightmare, this is a very, very scary place
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10:10 - 10:12the two school wasn't too bad.
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10:12 - 10:14Ah, but it meant it
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10:14 - 10:17you'd get to work on puzzles and problems.
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10:18 - 10:20All of the puzzling is math,
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10:20 - 10:23and that puzzling is the exact same feeling
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10:23 - 10:25the exact same problem that you go through
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10:25 - 10:26when you're programming.
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10:27 - 10:30When I was young it'd be building with erector sets and Lego
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10:30 - 10:33now the structures that you build are in software.
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10:34 - 10:36My mom is a first class geek too.
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10:37 - 10:40And so I have a unique experience of being able to talk
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10:40 - 10:43shop with my mom, cuz' she's a director of
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10:43 - 10:45really important stuff at Sun.
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10:48 - 10:51At Netscape one of the code words for is the average person
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10:51 - 10:52who is going to be able to use this software is,
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10:52 - 10:54"Well can my mom use it?"
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10:55 - 10:57Yeah, my mom can use it.
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10:57 - 10:59My mom can write optimizing compilers.
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11:02 - 11:05By the time I was 12 years old I was making 50 bucks an hour
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11:05 - 11:06programming computers.
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11:07 - 11:11People say what should I be should I grow up to be a...
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11:11 - 11:12I say computer programmer.
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11:16 - 11:20The thing about that makes it a youth culture
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11:20 - 11:23is one's capacity to throw one's entire life on the line
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11:23 - 11:24with these firms
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11:26 - 11:28Entire life commitment meaning
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11:28 - 11:3124-7-365 work commitment.
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11:33 - 11:35It's throwing yourself into a thing
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11:35 - 11:37where you don't know if that job
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11:37 - 11:38is going to be around soon.
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11:38 - 11:40There's no stability in here.
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11:40 - 11:43So the very kind of weird irony
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11:43 - 11:46is that very people who are inventing the future
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11:46 - 11:47can't see their own future.
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11:48 - 11:50This is a monk-life existence
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11:50 - 11:52there are very few women in these societies.
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11:52 - 11:54These are male societies,
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11:54 - 11:56they are secret societies,
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11:56 - 11:59they function very much like the Masons
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11:59 - 12:01or some street gang.
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12:01 - 12:02Evil!
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12:04 - 12:06Evil! Evil!
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12:06 - 12:06Evil man!
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12:06 - 12:07Why am I an evil man?
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12:08 - 12:09Did you or did you not hear a man saying
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12:09 - 12:11if you have a source leaving one bug, you will be
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12:11 - 12:12in here at 1:30.
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12:12 - 12:13I thought it was 2:30
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12:14 - 12:16Now you're evil and stupid.
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12:16 - 12:16(laughs)
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12:16 - 12:18You now that, I'm actually just in a different time zone.
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12:18 - 12:20I thought stupidity was an excuse though.
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12:20 - 12:23A lot of people at Netscape don't get out much
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12:23 - 12:25because they're at work all the time but
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12:25 - 12:27most of people's social interaction I would expect is
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12:27 - 12:29revolves around work just because
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12:29 - 12:32so many people spend so much of their time at work.
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12:32 - 12:33Hi Chris, it's Tara
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12:34 - 12:35um, how much do you love me?
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12:36 - 12:37Good.
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12:37 - 12:39What do you know about way the threading stuff
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12:39 - 12:41that falls into Javascript stuff and Java makes it feed?
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12:42 - 12:44All we have left to hold on to, really
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12:44 - 12:46is the work place, I mean it is the modern village.
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12:47 - 12:49People get to know your history
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12:49 - 12:52they shrug at your bad jokes.
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12:54 - 12:56There's a kind of familiarity that
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12:56 - 12:58and continuity that we don't have elsewhere.
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12:58 - 12:59Paul
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12:59 - 13:02we're going go out in a while and get something to eat
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13:02 - 13:04and do stupid things. You're interested?
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13:04 - 13:06Sure. Sure. Right.
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13:06 - 13:09Ok, the purpose of this meeting is not to beat up people
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13:09 - 13:11the purpose of this meeting is to make sure that
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13:11 - 13:14as a company we are incredibly focused on
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13:14 - 13:15getting the bug count to 0
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13:16 - 13:19we've been moderately focused up until now
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13:19 - 13:21we need to be deadly focused
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13:21 - 13:22from here on in.
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13:22 - 13:25Ok Jeff Weinstein
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13:25 - 13:27is he in this room?
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13:28 - 13:29He's not in this room.
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13:29 - 13:31Did not check-in this weekend, true or false?
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13:31 - 13:33He did not check-in this weekend
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13:33 - 13:34He did not answer his mail
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13:34 - 13:35and he hasn't answered his phone yet either.
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13:35 - 13:38His locator shows he's with the rest of the colonists
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13:38 - 13:40(laughs)
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13:40 - 13:43The old saying is that trying to manage programmers
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13:43 - 13:45is like trying to herd cats.
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13:45 - 13:47You know you want them to be cats
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13:47 - 13:49if you like cats, I mean 'cause you want what's unique about
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13:49 - 13:51that creature
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13:51 - 13:54But they really don't all like to go in the same direction.
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13:55 - 13:57In less than four years
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13:57 - 13:59Netscape has grown from a handful of people
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13:59 - 14:01to over 200
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14:01 - 14:03and sometimes, locating a programmer
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14:03 - 14:04become yet another obstacle
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14:04 - 14:06for the browser team to overcome.
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14:06 - 14:07I'd say he's not in there.
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14:07 - 14:10That would be my guess, straight out.
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14:10 - 14:11He's not there.
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14:12 - 14:14When's the last time he was in here?
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14:14 - 14:15This afternoon.
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14:15 - 14:17Ok
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14:17 - 14:20Tara and I are ready to take a hit out on him.
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14:20 - 14:23and well if ya see him when he comes back tell him to
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14:23 - 14:26panic and run around and we're like
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14:26 - 14:27doomed on Mac right now with this thing.
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14:28 - 14:28Doomed!
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14:28 - 14:31The person working on Mac is like waiting for data right?
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14:31 - 14:34You should go around to every person in the company saying, "Doomed!"
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14:37 - 14:39Netscape predicament has much to do with this man
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14:39 - 14:42Bill Gates, whose company, Microsoft
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14:42 - 14:44has made him the richest, and arguably
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14:44 - 14:46the most powerful man in the world.
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14:47 - 14:50Allright if we can have order we'd like to begin.
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14:50 - 14:51Viewing Netscape's browser
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14:51 - 14:54as a potential threat to his computing empire
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14:54 - 14:55Gates has moved swiftly,
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14:55 - 14:57making his own browser free
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14:58 - 14:59and Netscape claims,
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14:59 - 15:02also engaging an unfair business practices
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15:02 - 15:04to take away its customers.
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15:04 - 15:05But we need to explore today
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15:05 - 15:07whether you and your company
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15:07 - 15:08have crossed the line
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15:08 - 15:10or on the other hand
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15:10 - 15:12whether this is just the carping of disgruntled rivals.
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15:13 - 15:15Netscape CEO Jim Barksdale
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15:15 - 15:17argues his company's case before the Senate.
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15:17 - 15:20And certainly nobody here on this panel is
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15:20 - 15:21a greater admirer of Mr. Gates
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15:21 - 15:22or his company than I am.
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15:22 - 15:24But we do ask that Microsoft
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15:24 - 15:25be held accountable
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15:25 - 15:26for some of their actions.
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15:26 - 15:29Actions that intimidate PC OEM manufacturers
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15:29 - 15:32to use their products and exclusionary practises
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15:32 - 15:34that prevent them from using my products.
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15:34 - 15:36Not all companies succeed.
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15:36 - 15:39Some fail to embrace change.
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15:39 - 15:43This is the way technology in the free market works.
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15:43 - 15:46The software industry's success
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15:46 - 15:48has not been driven by government regulation
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15:49 - 15:52but by freedom and the basic human desire
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15:52 - 15:54to learn, to innovate and to excel.
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15:54 - 15:57Meanwhile thousand of miles away
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15:57 - 16:00Netscape programmers continue working around the clock
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16:00 - 16:02in a race to meet Mozilla's release date.
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16:02 - 16:05These guys they tend to work very consistently,
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16:05 - 16:07so they'll just keep working until it's done and they won't stop.
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16:07 - 16:09They don't need food, they don't need sleep,
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16:09 - 16:10they don't need anything
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16:10 - 16:13OK, so they take pay, but...
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16:15 - 16:17A while ago some people from Harvard came and said
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16:17 - 16:19"Well how do you develop software, we're writing a book" and I
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16:19 - 16:21and I talked about all the things I thought
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16:21 - 16:22were really important and they were just
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16:22 - 16:24it felt to me like they were shaking their heads going,
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16:24 - 16:26Oh, gee, he doesn't know about Principle 7
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16:26 - 16:28and oh, he doesn't know about Principle 22
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16:28 - 16:31and in some ways they're right... I really haven't got a clue.
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16:31 - 16:33Right I really like to err on the side of
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16:33 - 16:36every day we wake up in the morning and say
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16:36 - 16:38based on what I know today
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16:38 - 16:41what's the best way to get to where we all want to go?
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16:42 - 16:44I personally or me and you three of us
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16:44 - 16:47do no have time to read all two millions of source code
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16:47 - 16:49to see that, there are no remaining problems.
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16:52 - 16:54We're going over here
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16:54 - 16:56zeroing in on Jeff Weinstein.
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16:57 - 16:59With March 31st only days away
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16:59 - 17:02the team can't proceed until Jeff Weinstein
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17:02 - 17:05an expert on some of Netscapes most arcane code
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17:05 - 17:08finds time to complete the bug fixes on his list.
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17:08 - 17:09How are you doing?
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17:09 - 17:09OK
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17:10 - 17:11Alright well
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17:11 - 17:12you are officially the most doomed
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17:12 - 17:14individual in the company sir
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17:18 - 17:21this one I can close, same with this one
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17:21 - 17:23yeah bunch of these
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17:23 - 17:26Um hopefully I'll get most of it done tonight
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17:26 - 17:28His goal he was just going to stay all night
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17:28 - 17:29and he was going to get it all done.
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17:29 - 17:32The good news is actually I think by about
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17:32 - 17:34I'm not sure if it was 9 or 11 o'clock at night
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17:34 - 17:36he actually was completely done.
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17:39 - 17:40Yeah!
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17:40 - 17:42Reaching a critical milestone
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17:42 - 17:44is cause for celebration.
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17:47 - 17:49And one bug left
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17:49 - 17:51and it's a really really hard one
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17:51 - 17:53Don't make me kill you, close 4330.
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17:53 - 17:55I will close 4330.
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17:56 - 17:58Bug count is small
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17:58 - 18:00there are some bugs that are not currently closed
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18:00 - 18:02but most of them are like piddly little annoying things that
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18:02 - 18:04Some of its stuck!
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18:09 - 18:13All praise the uh the mighty ones that created tremendous pile of
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18:13 - 18:16people working really hard this week to do the impossible.
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18:18 - 18:21There is this magic phrase that Michael Toy invented
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18:21 - 18:23which is "Zarro Boogs", hum
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18:23 - 18:25which is it's not quite perfect
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18:25 - 18:26but it's perfect enough
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18:26 - 18:28as zero bugs / "zarro boogs".
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18:28 - 18:30Do you have a spare monitor upstairs?
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18:30 - 18:32Yes I do have a spare monitor.
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18:32 - 18:34This is the first big test
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18:34 - 18:38Will an outsider actually be able to make Mozilla work?
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18:38 - 18:42If not Netscape stands a good chance of missing its March 31st deadline
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18:42 - 18:44I thought it's gonna be huge thing,
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18:44 - 18:45I thought it's gonna be like a hundred,
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18:45 - 18:47two hundred people here like all and rows
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18:47 - 18:50like with soviet style.
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18:50 - 18:52We are nowhere near that organized
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18:53 - 18:55Looks like it's all here, here we go!
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18:56 - 19:00Wow! All good, it's pretty simple how stuff is built.
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19:00 - 19:03It's just there's set of scripts that are set up
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19:03 - 19:05to say exactly what to compile and then
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19:05 - 19:08they all get globbed together into Mozilla hopefully.
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19:10 - 19:12- Here it is
- Yeah -
19:12 - 19:15If you get it to work, then it means anybody can get it to work.
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19:15 - 19:16That's true.
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19:23 - 19:28(WILD CHEERING clapping laughter)
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19:31 - 19:34- And look It has an about face!
- ...Look it's so cute... -
19:36 - 19:39- Oh, that was pretty
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19:39 - 19:42- Yeah it's...
- No, I don't think it's working. -
19:42 - 19:44- Well go to the..
- Well
- Oh...
- Big crash... -
19:44 - 19:46- Hell shot the foot...
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19:50 - 19:51It's actually going really well.
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19:51 - 19:53I didn't think we'd actually get somebody
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19:53 - 19:54to build this quickly.
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19:54 - 19:57We had to do one small adjustment and it worked!
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19:58 - 20:00With the source almost ready to ship,
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20:00 - 20:02Netscape must explain the significance
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20:02 - 20:03of Mozilla to the press.
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20:03 - 20:06Basically what we wanna do is we wanna give them a little bit of the history
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20:07 - 20:12and then we wanna go into the what's actually going to happen tomorrow.
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20:12 - 20:14The other important take away then too from this
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20:14 - 20:20is that this is a really exciting cool thing.
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20:20 - 20:25- Good afternoon, Forrester
- Hi Stan Dolberg and uh Eric Brown please. -
20:25 - 20:26- One second.
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20:28 - 20:32- You've reached voicemail for Stan Dolberg -- I'll transfer you now
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20:32 - 20:34- Good afternoon, Forrester.
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20:34 - 20:35- Hi this is Maggie Young.
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20:35 - 20:37I'm calling from Netscape and I have scheduled
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20:37 - 20:40conference call with Stan Dolberg and Eric Brown
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20:40 - 20:42and I just got Stan's voicemail.
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20:42 - 20:45Netscape hopes the press will greet Mozilla with the same enthusiasm
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20:45 - 20:48it had for the company in its early days.
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20:48 - 20:53At eleven AM this morning, Netscape's stock went public and Wall Street went bonkers.
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20:53 - 20:56Initially offer had a price of 38 $ a share,
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20:56 - 20:58Netscape shut up to 72 within minutes...
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20:58 - 21:02The stock is bid up at extraordinary levels
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21:02 - 21:05in the first couple of really days and weeks
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21:05 - 21:07of its introduction.
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21:07 - 21:09It is the biggest initial public offering
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21:09 - 21:12in basically the Wall Street history.
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21:16 - 21:18- Good afternoon, Forrester
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21:19 - 21:20- Hi this is Josh Walker.
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21:20 - 21:24Today less than three years after its record breaking IPO however,
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21:24 - 21:27Netscape's story generates a different response.
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21:27 - 21:28- Hi there
- Yup -
21:28 - 21:31- As you now tomorrow is March 31st
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21:31 - 21:34- So that means hum, source code will be made
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21:34 - 21:36available to the developer community.
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21:36 - 21:37And we thought we would just
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21:37 - 21:39catch you up to speed and walk you through
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21:39 - 21:41that and see if you had some questions.
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21:41 - 21:46- Either I'm braindead or it takes lot of effort to communicate
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21:46 - 21:50and so I'm concerned that while you all know
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21:50 - 21:53what it means, I'm not confident
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21:53 - 21:57that it's coming across to the press.
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21:57 - 21:59- Right, I think those are good points.
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21:59 - 22:02By opening up the source code, we basically extend our developer community
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22:02 - 22:04from those folks that are inside of Netscape
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22:04 - 22:06to hundreds and thousands of developers
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22:06 - 22:07outside of Netscape
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22:07 - 22:10so it's no longer Netscape versus Microsoft.
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22:10 - 22:12It's Netscape and all of the Netscape,
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22:12 - 22:14you know, virtual community.
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22:14 - 22:17- I think there is a belief that Netscape
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22:17 - 22:20doesn't have a position to continue
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22:20 - 22:22to compete with Microsoft
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22:22 - 22:25in the browser front and that
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22:25 - 22:28in essence you've given up on the browser position.
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22:32 - 22:36This was a lot more smooth than I had originally anticipated.
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22:36 - 22:36Really.
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22:38 - 22:41I'm still waiting for the major bump in the road
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22:41 - 22:42that's gonna happen some time between now
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22:42 - 22:44and tomorrow afternoon.
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22:44 - 22:45In software development there is
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22:45 - 22:47always a bump in the road.
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22:47 - 22:49We just want to hear the Apple story
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22:49 - 22:54They just can't quite get themselves comfortable
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22:54 - 22:56with the patent grant or with
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22:56 - 22:58whatever we tried to do to fix it for them.
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22:58 - 23:01So the last thing back out of their lawyer was
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23:01 - 23:04"gee, oh I don't know that we get enough protection."
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23:04 - 23:09Mozilla has a small piece of code from Apple that has not been cleared for public license.
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23:09 - 23:11- Ok.
- We have to escalate. -
23:12 - 23:13- Hi this is Mark Andreeson,
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23:13 - 23:16I called a few minutes ago, and left message
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23:16 - 23:19we're trying to get - the problem is I can't get phone
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23:19 - 23:20there's no one at the Apple switchboard
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23:20 - 23:22so I'm having a hard time getting phone numbers for people.
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23:22 - 23:23Awesome.
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23:25 - 23:26Hold on, 6 2 0.
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23:35 - 23:37In order to ship Mozilla the next morning,
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23:37 - 23:39Scott Collins is called in
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23:39 - 23:41to replace Apple's code with his own invention.
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23:41 - 23:44And theoretically we believe this is possible.
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23:44 - 23:47It's my last bug. When I complete this bug,
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23:47 - 23:51I will be allowed to rest.
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23:51 - 23:54So I stayed up until about 5:40,
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23:54 - 23:57this morning writing this replacement class.
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23:57 - 23:59It made my life a living hell.
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23:59 - 24:01I got it basically running, it's all running,
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24:01 - 24:03it's all really good, and thank heavens
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24:03 - 24:05we got permission from Apple
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24:05 - 24:06to ship the regular source.
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24:06 - 24:08It's my understanding that Jamie
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24:08 - 24:11is gonna be the person that's gonna be pushing
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24:11 - 24:13the bits up to the website at around 10:00,
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24:13 - 24:15is that correct?
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24:15 - 24:16OK.
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24:16 - 24:18And we're gonna be staging some different
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24:18 - 24:21photo opportunities for the press at that time,
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24:21 - 24:23there will be television cameras you know news crews
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24:23 - 24:26- Couldn't we just like hire actors to do this for us?
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24:26 - 24:31- ...just tell them they get to be on TV come on..
- We're not gonna mandate it.. -
24:31 - 24:34- You're on TV right now.
- We've been on TV for two months. -
24:34 - 24:37- I don't think anyone is gonna come.
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24:42 - 24:44One way to learn to run a marathon
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24:44 - 24:48is put a person out 26 miles into the desert,
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24:48 - 24:50and say, you know, there's this bomb on your back
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24:50 - 24:52that's gonna go off in a certain length of time
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24:52 - 24:53if you don't get into the town.
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24:53 - 24:55Well, that'll motivate you to get in
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24:55 - 24:57but there is a certain chance that you'll be blown up.
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24:57 - 25:01- You know what time it is?
- Yeah it's five to ten. -
25:01 - 25:04- Aah! Going to be late. Hurry up!
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25:04 - 25:06Welcome everybody to the conference call.
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25:06 - 25:08Thanks for joining us this morning.
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25:08 - 25:10Today Netscape announced that
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25:10 - 25:12the first developer release of its Communicator 5.0
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25:12 - 25:15source code is available for download
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25:15 - 25:17from the Mozilla dot org website.
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25:19 - 25:21- You know where Tara is?
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25:21 - 25:23- Second floor?
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25:23 - 25:25- It's first floor, way on the other side.
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25:25 - 25:27And then today on the end of March,
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25:27 - 25:29as we announced, we are pushing the code
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25:29 - 25:31out to the Web as they say,
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25:31 - 25:32and we are delighted to be part of it
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25:32 - 25:34and we're very excited to see what happens.
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25:34 - 25:36The good news is the marathoner is now
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25:36 - 25:38coming into town with that bomb on his back
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25:38 - 25:39and it looks like he's gonna make it.
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25:44 - 25:46- This is the moment of truth!
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25:46 - 25:49They don't have theoretical framework
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25:49 - 25:51to write software, they're just writing it.
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25:55 - 25:57It's just like hitting the baseball.
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25:57 - 26:00If their code gets a home run,
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26:00 - 26:01nobody's asking questions.
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26:01 - 26:03Well, this doesn't make sense,
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26:03 - 26:04or why do you that, why does it work.
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26:04 - 26:06Nobody cares why it works.
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26:17 - 26:21- Wait this is bad.
- What's that? -
26:21 - 26:26- Well it's not connecting to...
- The machine that controls -
26:26 - 26:28the FTP push is, like, not answering.
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26:28 - 26:31- Is it loaded?
- It's "blast" not "blash". -
26:31 - 26:33- Oh
- Yeah maybe they're... -
26:38 - 26:41- Mac's there. UNIX is there. Windows is there.
- We're done! -
26:41 - 26:45- It's on!
- Yeah! -
26:55 - 26:58- Since Jamie is here, I am told that means
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26:58 - 27:01that we have now pushed the source out on the Net.
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27:01 - 27:01Is that correct?
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27:01 - 27:03- Actually, we decided not to.
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27:06 - 27:08We thought it was a stupid idea.
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27:11 - 27:13- That's our story and were sticking to it.
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27:25 - 27:28For a moment, everyone at Netscape
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27:28 - 27:29takes a breather.
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27:29 - 27:31- I think it's gonna work out.
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27:32 - 27:34In the first hour of its release,
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27:34 - 27:37the source code is downloaded thousands of times
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27:37 - 27:39but the number of downloads is no guarantee
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27:39 - 27:42that Netscape will receive enough valuable contributions
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27:42 - 27:44to help the company to reverse its slide.
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27:48 - 27:50He's known as Pavlov to me. He's Pavlov at
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27:50 - 27:53Pavlov.net, on IRC he's Pavlov or Pav or
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27:53 - 27:57um, Pav Sleeping, or Pav Tired Up Too Late.
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27:57 - 28:01And um without him I think we'd be months behind.
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28:01 - 28:03Netscape's notoriety draws code writers
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28:03 - 28:07from around the world willing to work on Mozilla without pay.
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28:07 - 28:10One such contributor comes from rural Georgia.
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28:13 - 28:15I've been amazed over the last two or three years,
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28:15 - 28:17when especially his mother would come tell me
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28:17 - 28:20"Well, so and so called" from maybe New York
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28:20 - 28:21and they were coming to Atlanta
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28:21 - 28:23and they wanted to talk to Stuart or see him,
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28:23 - 28:25and they were gonna go down and have lunch.
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28:25 - 28:27"Well", I'd say "Who is this person from New York?"
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28:27 - 28:30And the all of a sudden "Well, he's been working
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28:30 - 28:32with Stuart on some programming issues
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28:32 - 28:34for a year or so and he wanted to come down
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28:34 - 28:38and meet. "Well, did you tell him you're only sixteen?"
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28:38 - 28:41I had no idea. Um, and that's great,
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28:41 - 28:43that's a wonderful thing because
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28:43 - 28:48he's contributing. It doesn't matter that he's young.
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28:48 - 28:51The place we call the cave. We just shut the door
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28:51 - 28:55and this is where he does whatever he does.
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28:55 - 28:59It is flabbergasting to think that your child
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28:59 - 29:04has done something for this worldwide company
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29:04 - 29:05instead of his homework.
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29:05 - 29:08I went and looked back at the older code
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29:08 - 29:11and I was really frightened by how
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29:11 - 29:14incredibly messy and just awful the code looked.
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29:14 - 29:16It would have taken you know
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29:16 - 29:18years to try and figure out what it was doing.
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29:18 - 29:21So we basically did it from scratch.
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29:22 - 29:24Pretty much I'm providing the code that makes
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29:24 - 29:27the browser show everything faster
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29:27 - 29:29and more efficiently than it used to.
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29:29 - 29:33His keyboarding is almost just like talking.
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29:33 - 29:36It's just um, an expression.
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29:36 - 29:39He can express himself that way
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29:39 - 29:43and it's just totally unconscious, almost.
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29:43 - 29:46Just a part of how he communicates.
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29:47 - 29:50In the past, free code contributions
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29:50 - 29:51helped build the Internet.
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29:51 - 29:53How commercial enterprise would benefit
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29:53 - 29:56from free code remains a big question.
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29:56 - 29:58Well, it's certainly my hope that
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29:58 - 30:01the enormous amount of new people
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30:01 - 30:02that no one company could afford
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30:02 - 30:04to have working on any product,
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30:04 - 30:07now contributing to the Netscape Navigator
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30:07 - 30:10Communicator will make a significant difference
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30:10 - 30:11in the improvement of the product.
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30:11 - 30:15How that works against any competitor,
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30:15 - 30:16remains to be seen.
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30:26 - 30:28-Good morning
-Good morning, Thank you. -
30:28 - 30:31David Readerman an analyst for San Francisco Investment Bank,
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30:31 - 30:34closely monitors Netscape's radical plan
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30:34 - 30:35for investors eager to participate
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30:35 - 30:37in the Internet stock boom.
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30:38 - 30:40The market is really kind of a voting machine,
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30:40 - 30:43it's voting yes I believe that vision statement.
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30:43 - 30:46Yes I believe that's gonna result in products sales.
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30:46 - 30:49Yes that's going to drive earnings up, and
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30:49 - 30:51you know stocks should traded accordingly.
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30:51 - 30:53The financial benefits to Netscape of
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30:53 - 30:56giving away its source code are hard to measure.
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30:56 - 30:58I understand why Netscape's trying to do it.
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30:58 - 31:02They still have to show me that
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31:02 - 31:05behind the vision and the slideware,
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31:05 - 31:08there's a real sustainable business model
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31:08 - 31:11that can deliver earnings hum,
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31:11 - 31:15and so I'm in show-me mode for Netscape.
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31:21 - 31:23Now, my job will be three times
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31:23 - 31:26as hard as it was yesterday and it was already ten times harder than it needed to be.
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31:26 - 31:29Right? Did I just work really hard to ship
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31:29 - 31:31the company jewels out of the building and
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31:31 - 31:33it's just gonna end in us dying
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31:33 - 31:36and rolling in poison and misery.
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31:36 - 31:37The day after this stuff goes out,
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31:37 - 31:39you really don't get to let up.
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31:39 - 31:41There is then the sort of day in day out,
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31:41 - 31:45go to work turn on the computer, code, code code.
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31:45 - 31:47- Thanks Tara.
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31:49 - 31:51- Tara?
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31:51 - 31:53- Yeah what's your doctor say Tara?
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31:53 - 31:56- Uh, my doctor says interestingly enough
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31:56 - 32:00that I work too much
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32:00 - 32:02and uh, that if I went to work today after
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32:02 - 32:04my appointment he would personally kill me.
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32:04 - 32:08I have an agreement with myself
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32:08 - 32:10that by the time I'm 35, I'm either going
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32:10 - 32:12to be high school teacher or bartender,
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32:12 - 32:14but something, anything other than a
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32:14 - 32:16in a position in the hightech industry,
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32:16 - 32:18otherwise I'll probably die by the time I'm 40.
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32:26 - 32:27Uh, now that I'm an old guy
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32:27 - 32:29I've kind of been round the block
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32:29 - 32:33couple times and you can go from realizing,
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32:33 - 32:34"This just never stops, does it?"
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32:34 - 32:37And that being really depressing
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32:37 - 32:39because you feel like it "I'm on, I'm on".
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32:39 - 32:41I said I was never going to be on the treadmill
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32:41 - 32:43and here I am. I'm on the treadmill.
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32:43 - 32:45I'm going to be running like this forever.
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32:45 - 32:47Because they're good at software,
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32:47 - 32:49they need to keep pace.
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32:49 - 32:51And as a result, keeping pace means
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32:51 - 32:54to shut a lot of other things out.
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32:54 - 32:56They just don't have time to read,
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32:56 - 32:57time to hear about the world.
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32:57 - 32:59They don't have much time for their families.
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32:59 - 33:01Um, but when you're in situation where
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33:01 - 33:03you really have a lot of work to do
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33:03 - 33:04and no time to do it,
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33:05 - 33:07you know, you pick what you want.
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33:07 - 33:09Some people pick wanting to have a family.
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33:09 - 33:10Some people pick wanting to
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33:10 - 33:11get some software done.
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33:12 - 33:17Christopher was born right after I started at Netscape,
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33:17 - 33:19and I basically missed the first
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33:19 - 33:22two years of his life because of the intensity.
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33:22 - 33:24I'd work 'til about 7 or 8 o'clock,
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33:24 - 33:25come home, eat dinner,
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33:25 - 33:29put the kids to bed, and then go back to work,
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33:29 - 33:30or work from home, until 2 or 3
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33:30 - 33:33in the morning, and was like the Dad zombie.
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33:33 - 33:35He would call and say, I'm on my way home
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33:35 - 33:37and then it would be 2 or 3 hours and
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33:37 - 33:39you know, the romantic dinner candles
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33:39 - 33:40had burned down
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33:40 - 33:42and I was thinking he was dead
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33:42 - 33:43by the side of the road so,
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33:43 - 33:45you know if 24 hours goes by
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33:45 - 33:47and I don't hear from him,
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33:47 - 33:49that I pretty much know where to find him.
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33:50 - 33:53I live in Michigan. And I commute.
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33:53 - 33:56So it's quite a long commute,
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33:56 - 33:57I don't make it every day.
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33:57 - 34:00I only make it about every two weeks or so.
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34:00 - 34:03But um, It is quite a time change.
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34:03 - 34:06Here it's something like 12:01
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34:06 - 34:09in the morning, and there it's 1954.
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34:16 - 34:18The motivation from moving back here is
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34:18 - 34:21I wanted to get into a community,
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34:21 - 34:25put roots down, and you know, feel settled.
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34:25 - 34:29And I...Life is just different out there,
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34:29 - 34:32it really is. I mean here people like worked
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34:32 - 34:36car factory or whatever... thirty years and out.
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34:39 - 34:42We spent, like, 45 minutes talking about all his
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34:42 - 34:45like, his whole story, from job, to job, to job, to job.
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34:45 - 34:46I thought it was pretty cool.
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34:48 - 34:53He had like ten or something, jobs.
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34:54 - 34:57He seemed to do it a lot during particularly peak
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34:57 - 34:59stressful times, like, you know, baby due
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34:59 - 35:01in two months, I'm changing jobs now, dear.
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35:01 - 35:03I like when everything is changing.
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35:03 - 35:06That makes it's exciting. That's why I do it.
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35:06 - 35:08It's something to be in the storm,
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35:08 - 35:11right in the middle of it and seeing everything
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35:11 - 35:13new happening and putting it all together.
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35:13 - 35:14It's really exciting.
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35:14 - 35:18It's almost addictive. I wouldn't want to leave it,
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35:18 - 35:20that's for sure.
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35:20 - 35:22At times, it's a clear sacrifice
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35:22 - 35:24of elements of your personal life.
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35:26 - 35:28I have to work very hard but I have
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35:28 - 35:31the chance of being rewarded for my efforts.
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35:31 - 35:33This disadvantage, my life's moving on.
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35:33 - 35:35I don't have any children yet,
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35:35 - 35:36you realize there's a certain amount of
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35:36 - 35:39my life that I'm sacrificing I'm going to look back
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35:39 - 35:41and a portion of this life is gone.
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35:43 - 35:46In the U.S., we have at least several million people
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35:46 - 35:49directly making a living from software.
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35:49 - 35:51And it's the fastest growing group of
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35:51 - 35:52people in the economy.
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35:52 - 35:55And it's certainly in aggregate,
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35:55 - 35:58the highest paying field of its size.
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35:58 - 36:00I mean yeah, you've got baseball,
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36:00 - 36:01you've got Hollywood.
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36:01 - 36:03But you know when you really
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36:03 - 36:05think of a group that has millions of people in it,
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36:05 - 36:07these are the highest wages anybody
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36:07 - 36:08has ever seen in the United States.
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36:14 - 36:17The opportunity to win big
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36:17 - 36:20for code writers is very real.
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36:20 - 36:24In fact, that if you will jackpot
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36:24 - 36:26opportunity is reflected here on a
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36:26 - 36:28Wall Street trading desk.
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36:28 - 36:31And I find that a lot of the engineers
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36:31 - 36:33and managers from Silicon Valley
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36:33 - 36:36are very attuned to what goes on
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36:36 - 36:38on these trading floors daily.
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36:38 - 36:42By one account, 64 millionaires are created daily
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36:42 - 36:45in Sillicon Valley where any technology worker
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36:45 - 36:47can striking rich over night.
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36:47 - 36:49You join a company and they give you
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36:49 - 36:51some stock options which basically says,
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36:51 - 36:54rather than just giving you stock,
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36:54 - 36:55they give the right to buy the stock
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36:55 - 36:58in the future at the current price.
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36:58 - 37:03You might get stock in the order of
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37:03 - 37:05maybe a year's salary or
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37:05 - 37:08two years salary typically, worth of options.
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37:08 - 37:11In some of these real booming companies
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37:11 - 37:13out there on the Internet, the potential for
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37:13 - 37:15becoming a millionaire or doing very well,
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37:15 - 37:16is very, very high.
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37:16 - 37:17The people who were very,
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37:17 - 37:20very early, they call them "Mozillionaires".
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37:20 - 37:21Stock options are a con.
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37:21 - 37:24Um, it's a carrot and dangle, it's like,
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37:24 - 37:25oh well, you know if you'll give up
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37:25 - 37:26your one and only youth,
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37:26 - 37:29maybe someday you'll make money, right...
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37:29 - 37:31it's um, I've known so many people
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37:31 - 37:34who have gambled on start-up lottery
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37:34 - 37:35and got nothing.
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37:35 - 37:38You know it's just like lottery ticket, it's a stupid tax.
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37:38 - 37:42Um, I happened to win that particular lottery.
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37:42 - 37:44From the day Microsoft announced
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37:44 - 37:46its aggressive commitment to the Internet, however,
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37:46 - 37:49Netscape stock has been in steady decline,
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37:49 - 37:52and throughout most of 1998 Netscape
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37:52 - 37:54options are essentially worthless.
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37:54 - 37:56A year and a half ago,
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37:56 - 37:58half of our revenue came from browser sales.
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37:58 - 37:59Today none of it does, so well,
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37:59 - 38:01Any business person out there knows
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38:01 - 38:02that that's a huge challenge.
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38:02 - 38:04I mean let me take your number one selling product
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38:04 - 38:06away from you and you replace that
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38:06 - 38:07within period of 12 months or so.
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38:07 - 38:09Not many people want to do that.
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38:09 - 38:11Even though the company sells other Internet products,
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38:11 - 38:14the marketplace views Netscape as a browser company
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38:14 - 38:17in a losing battle with Microsoft.
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38:18 - 38:23- Greg this is Jim Barksdale with Netscape Communications, how are you?
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38:23 - 38:25It's clear that Netscape doesn't have
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38:25 - 38:28enough pieces to threaten Microsoft.
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38:28 - 38:31I don't think that Netscape long term
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38:31 - 38:33can survive as an independent company.
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38:37 - 38:39While Mozilla tries to recapture the early,
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38:39 - 38:42glory days of the company,
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38:42 - 38:44integrating code from the outside means
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38:44 - 38:46more work for everyone on the browser team.
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38:46 - 38:48- Apparently I must have done it backwards
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38:48 - 38:51from what you told me, or I don't know what
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38:51 - 38:53- Ok, then this is bad.
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38:53 - 38:55- We want to take the old free tree
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38:55 - 38:57and use it as subsection,
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38:57 - 38:59and we want to build this interesting tree around this.
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38:59 - 39:00- No that's not want we want to do
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39:00 - 39:02NS Private at the top, right?
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39:02 - 39:04- A project file for this or project file for that,
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39:04 - 39:06it can't be a project file for both.
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39:06 - 39:08We don't have a plan for doing both.
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39:08 - 39:10So right now I have some files that have
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39:10 - 39:12to come from here for Java in a single directory,
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39:12 - 39:13and some files that have to come from here
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39:13 - 39:15in the same directory, the same directory.
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39:15 - 39:16Tell me how I do that?
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39:20 - 39:21That's the problem.
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39:21 - 39:24The browser division which costs the company
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39:24 - 39:26almost 30 million dollars a year to operate
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39:26 - 39:29and contributes few revenues to the company
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39:29 - 39:31is reorganized in the fall for the second time
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39:31 - 39:32in less than a year.
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39:32 - 39:34Do we have all the answers: No.
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39:34 - 39:35We're going to try and learn what we can from
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39:35 - 39:37seeing the people who've done this well...
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39:37 - 39:40When I joined a start-up, I knew that 19 out of 20 fail.
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39:40 - 39:42When an employee comes
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39:42 - 39:43to work at Netscape today,
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39:43 - 39:45he doesn't have the perception
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39:45 - 39:46that there's a 19 out of 20 chance
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39:46 - 39:49that this job is not gonna be in place
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39:49 - 39:501 to 5 years from now.
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39:53 - 39:56If you live here, it is the ubiquitous conversation
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39:56 - 39:58"Do you believe that Microsoft
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39:58 - 40:00has used either a) illegal
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40:00 - 40:02or just unfair methods
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40:02 - 40:05to take market share from Netscape?"
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40:05 - 40:08And if the heart and soul of this industry is
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40:08 - 40:12opportunity, is egalitarianism, Microsoft having
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40:12 - 40:15achieved its market share
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40:15 - 40:19on anything other than the backs of its code
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40:19 - 40:22really riles every body up.
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40:22 - 40:25Justice department has charged Microsoft
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40:25 - 40:30with engaging an anti-competitive and exclusionary practises
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40:30 - 40:34designed to maintain its monopoly in personal computer operating systems
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40:35 - 40:39and attempting to extend that monopoly to Internet browser software.
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40:40 - 40:42Regardless of its case against Microsoft,
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40:42 - 40:45Netscape has become a victim of its increasing size
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40:45 - 40:47and the growing complexities of its code,
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40:47 - 40:49the company struggles to maintain the vitality
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40:49 - 40:51it enjoyed as a start-up.
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40:52 - 40:54When a company gets to be above a certain size,
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40:54 - 40:57it's just a process, it's a mechanism for making money.
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40:57 - 41:00And innovation is like one possible way of doing that,
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41:00 - 41:01but it's a risky way.
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41:01 - 41:03So companies, big companies don't do that.
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41:03 - 41:07Um, Microsoft actually doesn't do very much, they buy companies.
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41:07 - 41:09They wait until someone has done something interesting and then they acquire them,
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41:09 - 41:10and then they milk it for all it's worth.
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41:10 - 41:15I don't mean to pick on Microsoft because lots of companies do that, it's just the normal way of doing business.
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41:24 - 41:26We're on out way to the Flint Center now.
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41:27 - 41:28We're going to have an all-hands meeting.
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41:28 - 41:32Jim Barksdale has moved up the all hands meeting by roughly about a week.
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41:32 - 41:36We just announce quarterly results and now this major change in direction.
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41:39 - 41:43Well, in case you haven't read the newspaper,
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41:46 - 41:51we have, as of 1:30 this morning,
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41:53 - 42:02concluded negotiations and agreed to sell our company to AOL of Dulles, Virginia.
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42:07 - 42:10I can't imagine that day when they announced the merger,
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42:10 - 42:13that they weren't like "Oh, I don't believe this".
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42:13 - 42:16You know, sort of a nightmare scenario.
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42:16 - 42:18Although, you know, the worst one would have been
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42:18 - 42:20Microsoft's buying us, I guess, you know.
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42:20 - 42:22Then they would have, you know you would've seen like
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42:22 - 42:24his this flow of cars out of Netscape
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42:24 - 42:27Six months ago they were insulting AOL's technology,
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42:27 - 42:30you know, it was the service for idiots.
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42:30 - 42:32"Congratulations skippy, you've got mail!"
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42:32 - 42:38Netscape is not unusual in the way they felt about AOL in Silicon Valley.
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42:38 - 42:40I mean, it's very clear that nobody
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42:40 - 42:41had any respect for the company.
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42:41 - 42:43One of them at Netscape
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42:43 - 42:45called Steve Case a soap salesman
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42:45 - 42:47because he used to work at Proctor and Gamble.
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42:48 - 42:49The soap salesman bought them.
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42:51 - 42:54The quote that came out of this article was
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42:54 - 42:58"Netscape: (similar lines of) lived fast,
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42:58 - 43:00died young, and left a tired corpse".
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43:00 - 43:03And I don't know they agree with that.
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43:04 - 43:06I don't think Netscape's done yet.
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43:06 - 43:07They bought us because they like us,
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43:07 - 43:08they like what we do,
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43:08 - 43:11and they don't want to disturb that formula;
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43:11 - 43:14so their plan is to not damage us in any way.
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43:14 - 43:16There had been alot of, uh,
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43:16 - 43:18a lot of speculation out on the net,
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43:18 - 43:19you know, in the free software community, like
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43:19 - 43:21oh well this is it, you know,
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43:21 - 43:22it's all over now
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43:22 - 43:23"AOL's just gonna screw everything up".
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43:23 - 43:24So I wrote this thing
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43:24 - 43:26that I put on the Mozilla.org site
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43:26 - 43:28that just laid out the worst case scenario,
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43:28 - 43:29like, well okay,
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43:29 - 43:31even if everything goes wrong
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43:32 - 43:34it's still not as bad as you're saying it is.
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43:34 - 43:36Because the nature of what Netscape did
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43:36 - 43:40meant that the code belongs to the community now.
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43:40 - 43:43Few days later I got email from Steve Case,
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43:43 - 43:45saying, um, we think that you're doing is great thing
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43:45 - 43:46and it's part of the reason we bought the company
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43:46 - 43:47we plan to keep it going that way, so
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43:48 - 43:52um, as far as Mozilla.org and Netscape and AOL's contribution
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43:52 - 43:56to the open-source movement goes,
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43:56 - 43:57he says, it's gonna continue...
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43:58 - 44:02The merger with AOL creates a windfall for shareholders
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44:02 - 44:06that will give Netscape employees the chance to cash out and move on,
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44:06 - 44:08causing speculation in the national media
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44:08 - 44:12about AOL's ability to retain Netscape's key people.
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44:13 - 44:14And already I hear, you know,
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44:14 - 44:16that AOL people come at Netscape and say,
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44:16 - 44:18yeah this is the AOL way.
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44:18 - 44:20It's not gonna work at Netscape.
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44:20 - 44:23It's gonna be the Netscape way with help from AOL!
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44:23 - 44:25I suspect some of them will leave.
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44:25 - 44:27You know, they don't want to be part of AOL.
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44:27 - 44:29Some people just like the start-up mentality.
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44:29 - 44:32And those that want to be part of a juggernaut
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44:32 - 44:34are going to stay and be part of the juggernaut.
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44:34 - 44:38I've been at Netscape for 3 and a half years and it feels like forever.
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44:38 - 44:44And AOL's focus and Netscape's growing focus has been marketing and advertising,
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44:44 - 44:45all that stuff, and that's
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44:46 - 44:49not nearly as interesting
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44:49 - 44:51to someone who's sort of a techno-fetishist.
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44:51 - 44:53I'm switching jobs and selling my house,
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44:53 - 44:55I'm moving, switching towns...
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44:57 - 45:00That's life for start-up land.
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45:01 - 45:03I'm still young and stupid as I like to put it,
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45:03 - 45:05so I can get away with that stuff like that.
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45:06 - 45:10Year and a half ago, so Tara comes to me she says
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45:10 - 45:14"I want to be a manager so bad, that I can taste it".
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45:14 - 45:18So we finally said alright, you get to be a manager.
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45:18 - 45:21And like within a week she said
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45:21 - 45:23"Why did you ever let me do this?"
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45:26 - 45:30And Tara has turned out to be like one of Netscape's greatest managers.
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45:30 - 45:34So here is to Tara, release team manager.
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45:35 - 45:38Tara leaves Netscape for an e-commerce start-up,
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45:38 - 45:41missing out on a big jump in the value of her stock options
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45:41 - 45:43in hopes for a bigger pay out at her new company.
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45:53 - 45:58Regardless of how AOL runs the Netscape business,
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45:58 - 46:00it's not Netscape anymore - that part's over.
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46:00 - 46:02And you know, that's really sad
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46:02 - 46:04I wish Netscape could have gone it on their own.
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46:04 - 46:08Frustrated by what he perceives as a lack of commitment to open-source development,
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46:09 - 46:13Jamie quits Netscape one year to the day he helped to give away Mozilla.
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46:13 - 46:16The movie Hackers I think is just a great movie.
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46:16 - 46:18I wish our lives were like that,
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46:18 - 46:21I wish we were roller skating around in spandex and fighting bad guys,
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46:21 - 46:26but you know it's not it's sitting in a room and typing all day.
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46:28 - 46:32This is what I was trying to escape, this life.
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46:32 - 46:34I knew I did not want to live here.
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46:36 - 46:39I've been out here now about four of five years.
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46:39 - 46:44This is a nice place. This is escape from the jungle.
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46:49 - 46:53Jim Roskind is promoted to Netscape's highest engineering rank.
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46:54 - 46:56Last night I was here at four in the morning,
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46:56 - 46:59and this isn't even in the middle of a critical push.
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46:59 - 47:02But it's almost like an addiction, an adrenaline rush,
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47:02 - 47:04a going for perfection, a pushing.
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47:04 - 47:08And then as you see the results, you get the feedback to push harder.
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47:13 - 47:15You know I really shouldn't comment on this
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47:15 - 47:16since I'm just as foolish as everyone else is
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47:16 - 47:18but I'll just go ahead and do it while admitting that I'm foolish,
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47:18 - 47:21there's just a tremendous quest for material wealth here.
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47:21 - 47:23It's like the goldrush all over again.
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47:24 - 47:26And this is gonna be the playhouse.
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47:26 - 47:29And then this will be like a front porch I think a little flowers and stuff.
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47:29 - 47:31So it will be like a cute little house.
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47:31 - 47:35I went to Netscape because its main purpose was to generate cash,
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47:35 - 47:36based on this Internet thing.
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47:36 - 47:39It's like what we're gonna do, we're gonna get rich.
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47:39 - 47:42It just took a heavy toll on our marriage,
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47:42 - 47:44and, if it wasn't for God's grace,
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47:45 - 47:46we wouldn't have made it.
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47:46 - 47:49"Why would I use god gives"
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47:50 - 47:52Micheal burned out.
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47:52 - 47:57Micheal, came to a place, in his own life where he said the cost is too great,
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47:57 - 47:59I'm not gonna do it anymore.
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48:00 - 48:02If people are - would look at this and say oh
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48:02 - 48:05hey this is a cool thing, I'm gonna start a start-up
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48:05 - 48:07and get rich quick
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48:07 - 48:08I would just have to say
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48:08 - 48:10you need to count the costs
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48:10 - 48:13because you can't ever retrieve the time that's lost.
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48:14 - 48:15Michael Toy
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48:15 - 48:17Netscape employee number 6
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48:17 - 48:19achieved his goal of financial independance
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48:19 - 48:23and retired from Netscape shortly after Mozilla's release.
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48:29 - 48:30In the Valley,
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48:30 - 48:34if you've stayed someplace longer than about three years
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48:34 - 48:35people wonder what's going on?
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48:35 - 48:37Why can't you get another job, what's wrong with you?
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48:37 - 48:39If you're a programmer, you pretty much change jobs
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48:39 - 48:41about every two years or so.
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48:42 - 48:43It's like ants,
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48:43 - 48:44worker ants.
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48:44 - 48:46They send out a group out to do something.
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48:46 - 48:48As that group approaches
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48:48 - 48:49the task that they're gonna do
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48:49 - 48:51some ants leave, more ants come on
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48:51 - 48:53By the time it gets to the target
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48:53 - 48:54it could be a totally different set of ants
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48:55 - 48:59I think as we distribute the set of work that we're doing
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48:59 - 49:01and more and more, in the Information Age
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49:01 - 49:03it'll be more like that.
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49:03 - 49:07Scott Collins continues to commute to Netscape from Michigan.
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49:11 - 49:13There's lot of pressure right now
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49:13 - 49:15to complete our product on time.
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49:15 - 49:17Um, sort of wade in with
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49:18 - 49:21the ridiculous acrobatics the stock is doing.
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49:22 - 49:23We were a 20$ company
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49:23 - 49:27and as of this moment our stock is at 172$.
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49:27 - 49:30So it's hard to be depressed about the amount of work
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49:30 - 49:32you have to do when
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49:32 - 49:34every other cube holds a millionnaire.
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49:35 - 49:39When the deal with AOL closes in the Spring of 1999
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49:39 - 49:43the value of Netscape's stock more than doubled since the merger's announcement.
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49:44 - 49:46Netscape married right.
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49:46 - 49:49They hitched their fortunes to AOL
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49:49 - 49:51when the transaction was announced,
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49:51 - 49:55the implied valuation was about 4.2 billion
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49:55 - 49:57when transaction was completed,
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49:57 - 50:00the transaction was valued at 10 billion.
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50:00 - 50:04So in effect about 5.5 or 6 billion dollars
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50:04 - 50:07of net worth was created
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50:07 - 50:10so I think it was the very clever deal-making
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50:10 - 50:14of Netscape management that kept them in the game
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50:14 - 50:19much longer and Netscape's shareholders benefited quite considerably.
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50:20 - 50:21Mo-
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50:21 - 50:22-zill-
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50:22 - 50:23-la
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50:23 - 50:24lives!
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50:24 - 50:26While many executives sold their stock
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50:26 - 50:28during Netscape's final year
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50:28 - 50:30Barksdale bought more
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50:30 - 50:32and after the merger he swapped his shares
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50:32 - 50:35for more than half a billion dollars of AOL stock.
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50:39 - 50:41Another young man comes west
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50:41 - 50:44to seek his fortune on technology's new frontier.
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50:44 - 50:47I'm a little bit nervous going into this interview,
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50:47 - 50:50cause I'm not entirely sure what to expect.
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50:50 - 50:52It's a long way away
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50:52 - 50:54Three thousand miles
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50:54 - 50:57is a long way for your child to be
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50:57 - 51:02But this is a place where there's a lot going on that
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51:02 - 51:04he's very interested in and I think
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51:04 - 51:06has some talents in this area.
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51:06 - 51:09And I really think that this may be
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51:10 - 51:13kind of home for him as far as
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51:13 - 51:15being able to work with people
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51:15 - 51:18that he can actually talk to.
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51:23 - 51:25- Pavlov!
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51:28 - 51:29- What I want to know is,
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51:30 - 51:31what you want to do
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51:31 - 51:34I mean, what your goals are in the next couple of years?
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51:34 - 51:35- My goal right now
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51:35 - 51:39is that I want to see the UNIX version faster than the Windows version.
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51:40 - 51:41Once you pull that off,
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51:41 - 51:43then, you know, we'll see.
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51:43 - 51:44But that's my goal.
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51:46 - 51:48Pavlov is hired by Netscape.
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51:48 - 51:50He postpones going to college.
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51:52 - 51:55Taking part in what one investor has called the largest
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51:55 - 51:58legal creation of wealth in the history of the planet,
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51:58 - 52:01David Readerman moves to a new investment bank.
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52:04 - 52:06Here's the data center,
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52:06 - 52:08a lot of cable, a lot of fiber.
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52:08 - 52:12These can be sort of, you know, Internet connections
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52:12 - 52:15they can be our trading lines, our phone lines.
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52:15 - 52:18You know we're lying the infrastructure
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52:18 - 52:21to basically build a major merchant bank.
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52:22 - 52:25Our view is that the Internet changes everything
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52:25 - 52:27and we're going to finance the companies
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52:27 - 52:29that want to be the agents of that change.
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52:37 - 52:38Look at this intersection,
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52:38 - 52:40we've got a bank here,
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52:40 - 52:43in two years you know this may not be here,
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52:43 - 52:45why not bank online?
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52:48 - 52:49Gap's website
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52:49 - 52:53is one of the most successful commerce websites
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52:53 - 52:55on the market.
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52:56 - 52:59I don't even know why Gap's renovating this store?
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52:59 - 53:02Why aren't they investing more in their website?
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53:03 - 53:06I don't know what this intersection may look two years from now.
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53:09 - 53:11When I started people didn't know what HTML was,
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53:11 - 53:13what the World Wide Web was, and then all of a sudden
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53:13 - 53:15the power of the Internet that had been there
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53:15 - 53:17for years was available to everybody
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53:17 - 53:20in an easy way, Point & click, the universal language.
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53:20 - 53:24It's like in Fantasia when Mickey is standing over
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53:24 - 53:25the book that's open on the mountain,
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53:25 - 53:27and he's looking in to see what to do
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53:27 - 53:29and he does something. And he doesn't really know what he does
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53:29 - 53:30but it makes something happen.
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53:30 - 53:32And of course this thing gets out of control and keeps going.
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53:32 - 53:34You don't know why it works, you don't know how it works,
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53:34 - 53:36you just push a button and it works.
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53:36 - 53:38We're at the beginning of an industry and
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53:38 - 53:40who knows where that industry's gonna go?
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53:40 - 53:42This could all turn into television again.
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53:42 - 53:45It could be controlled by a small number of
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53:46 - 53:48companies who decide what we see and hear.
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53:48 - 53:50And there's a lot of precedent for that.
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53:51 - 53:54I'm just laying down the tracks
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53:54 - 53:56and there were these trains zooming by me,
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53:56 - 53:57and there's no way I'd want to say it's a
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53:57 - 53:59bad thing to have these trains fly by.
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54:00 - 54:02I could be a horrible legacy.
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54:02 - 54:04If it ended up being a legacy of,
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54:04 - 54:07you know, Netscape and the Internet,
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54:07 - 54:09that we could all like,
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54:10 - 54:12do what we're doing only under
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54:12 - 54:13much more intense pressure and
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54:14 - 54:15much faster.
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54:17 - 54:18Everything has to change faster,
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54:18 - 54:20obviously, you know, look at Netscape.
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54:20 - 54:22It was born and died.
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54:22 - 54:24I don't want to use the word "died", they wouldn't like that word.
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54:24 - 54:26But basically it was born and overtaken
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54:26 - 54:28within four years.
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54:28 - 54:30That's pretty fast, I think.
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54:30 - 54:32They must think it's very fast.
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54:32 - 54:34Near the end of 1999,
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54:34 - 54:36the public still awaits Netscape's
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54:36 - 54:38first open source browser,
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54:38 - 54:40more than a year after Mozilla was released.
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54:40 - 54:42The judge and the justice department
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54:42 - 54:44end a trust trial rules that Microsoft
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54:44 - 54:47is a monopoly, it stiffles innovation.
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54:47 - 54:49AOL begins the millenium
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54:49 - 54:51with a new even larger aquisition,
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54:51 - 54:53and investors continue buying technology stocks,
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54:53 - 54:56which trade with increasing volatility.
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54:57 - 54:59Still as the Internet finds its way
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54:59 - 55:01into every corner of daily life,
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55:01 - 55:03so, too will legions of programmers
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55:03 - 55:05and their code, working fast
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55:05 - 55:07and late into the night.
- Title:
- Netscape Mozilla Documentary 1998 - 2000 Project Code Rush - Creative Commons licence CC BY-NC-SA 3.0
- Description:
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Code Rush, produced in 2000 and broadcast on PBS, is an inside look at living and working in Silicon Valley at the height of the dot-com era. The film follows a group of Netscape engineers as they pursue at that time a revolutionary venture to save their company - giving away the software recipe for Netscape's browser in exchange for integrating improvements created by outside software developers. The copyright to the film is now available under Creative common licence vers. 3 for interested viewers to download and use. In the future the original footage from which this film was made will be accessible under the same terms.
Please visit : www.clickmovement.org/coderush
- Video Language:
- English
- Duration:
- 56:09