How I took on the gene patent industry -- and won | Tania Simoncelli | TEDxAmoskeagMillyard
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0:06 - 0:10It was an afternoon in the fall of 2005.
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0:10 - 0:14I was working at the ACLU
as the organization's science advisor. -
0:14 - 0:17I really, really loved my job,
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0:17 - 0:19but I was having one of those days
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0:19 - 0:21where I was feeling
just a little bit discouraged. -
0:22 - 0:26So I wandered down the hallway
to my colleague Chris Hansen's office. -
0:27 - 0:31Chris had been at the ACLU
for more than 30 years, -
0:31 - 0:34so he had deep institutional
knowledge and insights. -
0:35 - 0:38I explained to Chris
that I was feeling a little bit stuck. -
0:39 - 0:41I had been investigating
a number of issues -
0:41 - 0:46at the intersection of science
and civil liberties -- super interesting, -
0:46 - 0:50but I wanted the ACLU to engage
these issues in a much bigger way, -
0:50 - 0:52in a way that could really
make a difference. -
0:55 - 0:57So Chris cut right
to the chase and he says, -
0:57 - 1:00"Well, of all the issues you've been
looking at, what are the top five?" -
1:01 - 1:03"Well, there's genetic discrimination,
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1:03 - 1:06and reproductive technologies,
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1:06 - 1:08and biobanking, and ...
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1:08 - 1:10Oh! -- there's this really cool issue,
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1:10 - 1:12functional MRI and using it
for lie detection, and ... -
1:12 - 1:14Oh! and of course, there's gene patents."
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1:15 - 1:16"Gene patents?"
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1:17 - 1:19"Yes, you know, patents on human genes."
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1:19 - 1:21"No!
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1:21 - 1:23You're telling me that the US government
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1:23 - 1:26has been issuing patents
on part of the human body? -
1:27 - 1:28That can't be right."
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1:29 - 1:32I went back to my office
and sent Chris three articles. -
1:33 - 1:36And 20 minutes later,
he came bursting in my office. -
1:36 - 1:40"Oh my god! You're right! Who can we sue?"
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1:40 - 1:42(Laughter)
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1:43 - 1:45Now Chris is a really brilliant lawyer,
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1:45 - 1:48but he knew almost nothing
about patent law, -
1:48 - 1:50and certainly nothing about genetics.
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1:51 - 1:53I knew something about genetics,
but I wasn't even a lawyer, -
1:53 - 1:55let alone a patent lawyer.
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1:55 - 1:59So clearly we had a lot to learn
before we could file a lawsuit. -
1:59 - 2:02First, we needed to understand
exactly what was patented -
2:02 - 2:04when someone patented a gene.
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2:05 - 2:09Gene patents typically contain
dozens of claims, -
2:09 - 2:13but the most controversial of these
are to so-called, "isolated DNA." -
2:14 - 2:18Namely, a piece of DNA
that has been removed from a cell. -
2:19 - 2:20Gene patent proponents say,
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2:20 - 2:24"See? We didn't patent
the gene in your body, -
2:24 - 2:26we patented an isolated gene."
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2:26 - 2:27And that's true,
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2:27 - 2:34but the problem is that any use
of the gene requires that it be isolated. -
2:36 - 2:40And the patents weren't just
to a particular gene that they isolated, -
2:40 - 2:43but on every possible
version of that gene. -
2:43 - 2:45So what does that mean?
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2:45 - 2:48That means that you can't give
your gene to your doctor -
2:48 - 2:50and ask him or her to look at it,
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2:50 - 2:52say, to see if it has any mutations,
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2:53 - 2:55without permission of the patent holder.
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2:55 - 3:00It also means that the patent holder
has the right to stop anyone -
3:00 - 3:03from using that gene
in research or clinical testing. -
3:04 - 3:06Allowing patent holders,
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3:06 - 3:07often private companies,
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3:07 - 3:11to lock up stretches of the human genome
was harming patients. -
3:12 - 3:13Consider Abigail,
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3:13 - 3:16a 10-year-old with Long QT Syndrome,
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3:16 - 3:19a serious heart condition that,
if left untreated, -
3:19 - 3:21can result in sudden death.
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3:22 - 3:26The company that obtained a patent on two
genes associated with this condition -
3:26 - 3:28developed a test to diagnose the syndrome.
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3:28 - 3:31But then they went bankrupt
and they never offered it. -
3:32 - 3:34So another lab tried to offer the test,
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3:34 - 3:37but the company that held the patents
threatened to sue the lab -
3:37 - 3:38for patent infringement.
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3:38 - 3:39So as a result,
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3:39 - 3:42for 2 years, no test was a available.
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3:43 - 3:44During that time,
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3:44 - 3:48Abigail died of undiagnosed Long QT.
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3:49 - 3:52Gene patents clearly were a problem
and were harming patients. -
3:52 - 3:55But was there a way
we could challenge them? -
3:55 - 3:57Turns out that the Supreme Court
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3:57 - 4:00has made clear
through a long line of cases, -
4:00 - 4:03that certain things
are not patent eligible. -
4:04 - 4:06You can't patent products of nature --
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4:07 - 4:11the air, the water, minerals,
elements of the periodic table. -
4:12 - 4:14And you can't patent laws of nature --
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4:15 - 4:17the law of gravity, E = mc2.
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4:18 - 4:23These things are just too fundamental
and must remain free to all, -
4:23 - 4:25and reserved exclusively to none.
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4:25 - 4:27It seemed to us that DNA,
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4:28 - 4:30the most fundamental structure of life,
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4:30 - 4:33that codes for the production
of all of our proteins, -
4:33 - 4:36is both a product of nature
and a law of nature, -
4:36 - 4:39regardless of whether it's in our bodies
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4:39 - 4:41or sitting in the bottom of a test tube.
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4:42 - 4:43As we delved into this issue,
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4:43 - 4:47we traveled all over the country
to speak with many different experts -- -
4:48 - 4:51scientists, medical professionals,
lawyers, patent lawyers. -
4:52 - 4:56Most of them agreed that we were right
as a matter of policy, -
4:56 - 4:58and, at least in theory,
as a matter of law. -
4:59 - 5:00All of them thought
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5:00 - 5:03our chances of winning
a gene-patent challenge -
5:03 - 5:05were about zero.
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5:07 - 5:08Why is that?
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5:08 - 5:11Well, the patent office
had been issuing these patents -
5:11 - 5:13for more than 20 years.
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5:14 - 5:17There were literally thousands
of patents on human genes. -
5:18 - 5:21The patent bar was deeply
entrenched in the status quo, -
5:22 - 5:25the biotech industry had grown up
around this practice, -
5:25 - 5:28and legislation to ban gene patents
had been introduced -
5:28 - 5:30year after year in Congress,
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5:30 - 5:32and had gone absolutely nowhere.
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5:32 - 5:34So the bottom line:
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5:34 - 5:37courts just weren't going to be willing
to overturn these patents. -
5:38 - 5:43Now, neither Chris nor I were the type
to shy away from a challenge, -
5:43 - 5:46and hearing, "Being right
just isn't enough," -
5:46 - 5:48seemed all the more reason
to take on this fight. -
5:49 - 5:51So we set out to build our case.
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5:52 - 5:56Now, patent cases tend to be:
Company A sues Company B -
5:56 - 5:59over some really narrow,
obscure technical issue. -
6:00 - 6:02We weren't really interested
in that kind of case, -
6:02 - 6:05and we thought this case
was much bigger than that. -
6:05 - 6:07This was about scientific freedom,
medical progress, -
6:07 - 6:09the rights of patients.
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6:09 - 6:12So we decided we were going
to develop a case -
6:12 - 6:14that was not like
your typical patent case. -
6:15 - 6:17More like a civil rights case.
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6:18 - 6:21We set out to identify
a gene-patent holder -
6:21 - 6:23that was vigorously enforcing its patents,
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6:23 - 6:27and then to organize a broad coalition
of plaintiffs and experts -
6:27 - 6:29that could tell the court
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6:29 - 6:33about all the ways that these patents
were harming patients and innovation. -
6:34 - 6:38We found the prime candidate
to sue in Myriad Genetics, -
6:38 - 6:40a company that's based
in Salt Lake City, Utah. -
6:42 - 6:44Myriad held patents on two genes,
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6:44 - 6:47the BRCA1 and the BRCA2 genes.
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6:48 - 6:51Women with certain mutations
along these genes -
6:51 - 6:54are considered to be
at a significantly increased risk -
6:54 - 6:56of developing breast and ovarian cancer.
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6:57 - 6:59Myriad had used its patents to maintain
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6:59 - 7:03a complete monopoly on BRCA testing
in the United States. -
7:04 - 7:08It had forced multiple labs
that were offering BRCA testing, to stop. -
7:08 - 7:10It charged a lot of money for its test --
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7:10 - 7:12over 3,000 dollars.
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7:12 - 7:14It had stopped sharing its clinical data
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7:14 - 7:17with the international
scientific community. -
7:18 - 7:19And perhaps worst of all,
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7:19 - 7:22for a period of several years,
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7:22 - 7:26Myriad refused to update its test
to include additional mutations -
7:26 - 7:29that had been identified
by a team of researchers in France. -
7:30 - 7:32It has been estimated
that during that period, -
7:33 - 7:34for several years,
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7:34 - 7:38as many as 12 percent of women
undergoing testing -
7:38 - 7:40received the wrong answer --
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7:41 - 7:45a negative test result
that should have been positive. -
7:46 - 7:48This is Kathleen Maxian.
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7:49 - 7:52Kathleen's sister Eileen
developed breast cancer at age 40 -
7:52 - 7:54and she was tested by Myriad.
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7:55 - 7:57The test was negative.
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7:57 - 7:58The family was relieved.
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7:58 - 8:02That meant that Eileen's cancer
most likely didn't run in the family, -
8:02 - 8:05and that other members of her family
didn't need to be tested. -
8:06 - 8:07But two years later,
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8:07 - 8:11Kathleen was diagnosed
with advanced-stage ovarian cancer. -
8:12 - 8:16It turned out that Kathleen's sister
was among the 12 percent -
8:16 - 8:19who received a false-negative test result.
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8:19 - 8:22Had Eileen received the proper result,
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8:22 - 8:25Kathleen would have then been tested,
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8:25 - 8:28and her ovarian cancer
could have been prevented. -
8:30 - 8:31Once we settled on Myriad,
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8:31 - 8:35we then had to form a coalition
of plaintiffs and experts -
8:35 - 8:37that could illuminate these problems.
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8:37 - 8:40We ended up with 20
highly committed plaintiffs, -
8:40 - 8:42genetic counselors,
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8:42 - 8:45geneticists who had received
cease and desist letters, -
8:46 - 8:48advocacy organizations,
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8:49 - 8:52four major scientific organizations
that collectively represented -
8:52 - 8:55more than 150,000 scientists
and medical professionals -
8:56 - 8:59and individual women who either
couldn't afford Myriad's test, -
8:59 - 9:02or who wanted to obtain
a second opinion but could not, -
9:02 - 9:04as a result of the patents.
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9:05 - 9:09One of the major challenges
we had in preparing the case -
9:09 - 9:12was figuring out how best
to communicate the science. -
9:12 - 9:16So in order to argue that what Myriad did
was not an invention, -
9:16 - 9:19and that isolated BRCA genes
were products of nature, -
9:20 - 9:23we had to explain a couple
of basic concepts, like: -
9:23 - 9:25What's a gene? What's DNA?
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9:25 - 9:29How is DNA isolated,
and why isn't that an invention? -
9:30 - 9:34We spent hours and hours
with our plaintiffs and experts, -
9:34 - 9:37trying to come up with ways
of explaining these concepts -
9:37 - 9:39simply yet accurately.
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9:39 - 9:43And we ended up relying heavily
on the use of metaphors, -
9:43 - 9:44like gold.
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9:45 - 9:47So isolating DNA --
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9:47 - 9:50it's like extracting gold from a mountain,
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9:50 - 9:52or taking it out of a stream bed.
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9:52 - 9:56You might be able to patent
the process for mining the gold, -
9:56 - 9:58but you can't patent the gold itself.
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9:59 - 10:02It might've taken a lot
of hard work and effort -
10:02 - 10:04to dig the gold out of the mountain;
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10:04 - 10:06you still can't patent it,
it's still gold. -
10:06 - 10:08And the gold, once it's extracted,
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10:08 - 10:10can clearly be used
for all sorts of things -
10:10 - 10:13that it couldn't be used
for when it was in the mountain; -
10:13 - 10:15you can make jewelry
out of it for example -- -
10:15 - 10:17still can't patent the gold,
it's still gold. -
10:18 - 10:22So now it's 2009,
and we're ready to file our case. -
10:23 - 10:27We filed in federal court
in the southern district of New York, -
10:27 - 10:31and the case was randomly assigned
to Judge Robert Sweet. -
10:32 - 10:35In March 2010, Judge Sweet
issued his opinion -- -
10:36 - 10:37152 pages --
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10:38 - 10:40and a complete victory for our side.
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10:41 - 10:42In reading the opinion,
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10:42 - 10:47we could not get over how eloquently
he described the science in the case. -
10:48 - 10:50I mean, our brief --
it was pretty good, -
10:50 - 10:52but not this good.
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10:53 - 10:56How did he develop such a deep
understanding of this issue -
10:56 - 10:57in such a short time?
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10:57 - 11:01We just could not comprehend
how this had happened. -
11:01 - 11:02So it turned out,
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11:02 - 11:06Judge Sweet's clerk
working for him at the time, -
11:06 - 11:07was not just a lawyer --
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11:07 - 11:09he was a scientist.
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11:09 - 11:10He was not just a scientist --
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11:10 - 11:14he had a PhD in molecular biology.
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11:14 - 11:15(Laughter)
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11:15 - 11:18What an incredible stroke of luck!
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11:19 - 11:20Myriad then appealed
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11:20 - 11:23to the US Court of Appeals
for the Federal Circuit. -
11:23 - 11:26And here things got really interesting.
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11:26 - 11:30First, in a pivotal moment of this case,
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11:30 - 11:33the US government switched sides.
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11:34 - 11:37So in the district court the government
submitted a brief on Myriad's side. -
11:38 - 11:43But now in direct opposition
to its own patent office, -
11:43 - 11:45the US government files a brief
that states that is has -
11:45 - 11:49"reconsidered this issue
in light of the district court's opinion, -
11:49 - 11:52and has concluded that isolated DNA
is not patent eligible." -
11:53 - 11:55This was a really big deal,
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11:55 - 11:56totally unexpected.
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11:58 - 12:00The Court of Appeals
for the Federal Circuit -
12:00 - 12:02hears all patent cases,
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12:02 - 12:05and it has a reputation for being
very, very pro-patent. -
12:05 - 12:08So even with this remarkable development,
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12:08 - 12:09we expected to lose.
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12:09 - 12:11And we did.
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12:11 - 12:13Sort of.
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12:13 - 12:16Ends up split decision, 2 to 1.
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12:17 - 12:19But the two judges who ruled against us,
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12:19 - 12:22did so for completely different reasons.
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12:22 - 12:24The first one, Judge Lourie,
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12:24 - 12:27made up his own novel,
biological theory -- -
12:27 - 12:28totally wrong.
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12:28 - 12:29(Laughter)
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12:29 - 12:32Decided Myriad had created
a new chemical -- -
12:32 - 12:33made absolutely no sense.
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12:34 - 12:36Myriad didn't even argue this,
so it came out of the blue. -
12:37 - 12:39The other, Judge Moore,
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12:39 - 12:43said she basically agreed with us
that isolated DNA is a product of nature. -
12:43 - 12:46But she's like, "I don't want
to shake up the biotech industry." -
12:47 - 12:50The third, Judge Bryson,
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12:50 - 12:51agreed with us.
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12:53 - 12:55So now we sought review
by the Supreme Court. -
12:55 - 12:58And when you petition the Supreme Court,
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12:58 - 13:01you have to present a question
that you want the court to answer. -
13:02 - 13:05Usually these questions take the form
of a super-long paragraph, -
13:05 - 13:08like a whole page long
with lots and lots of clauses, -
13:08 - 13:11"wherein this" and "therefore that."
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13:11 - 13:15We submitted perhaps
the shortest question presented ever. -
13:16 - 13:18Four words:
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13:19 - 13:21Are human genes patentable?
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13:22 - 13:25Now when Chris first asked me
what I thought of these words, -
13:25 - 13:26I said, "Well, I don't know.
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13:26 - 13:29I think you have to say,
'Is isolated DNA patentable?'" -
13:30 - 13:31"Nope.
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13:31 - 13:36I want the justices to have
the very same reaction that I had -
13:36 - 13:39when you brought this issue
to me seven years ago." -
13:40 - 13:42Well, I certainly couldn't
argue with that. -
13:43 - 13:46The Supreme Court only hears
about one percent -
13:46 - 13:48of the cases that it receives,
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13:48 - 13:49and it agreed to hear ours.
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13:51 - 13:55The day of the oral argument arrives
and it was really, really exciting -- -
13:55 - 13:56long line of people outside,
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13:56 - 13:59people had been standing in line
since 2:30 in the morning -
13:59 - 14:01to try to get into the courthouse.
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14:01 - 14:03Two breast cancer organizations,
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14:03 - 14:05Breast Cancer Action and FORCE,
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14:05 - 14:07had organized a demonstration
on the courthouse steps. -
14:08 - 14:11Chris and I sat quietly in the hallway,
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14:12 - 14:15moments before he was to walk in and argue
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14:15 - 14:17the most important case of his career.
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14:18 - 14:20I was clearly more nervous than he was.
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14:21 - 14:26But any remaining panic subsided
as I walked into the courtroom -
14:26 - 14:29and looked around
at a sea of friendly faces: -
14:29 - 14:31our individual women clients,
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14:31 - 14:33who had shared their
deeply personal stories; -
14:34 - 14:38the geneticists who had taken huge chunks
of time out of their busy careers -
14:38 - 14:40to dedicate themselves to this fight;
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14:40 - 14:43and representatives from a diverse array
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14:43 - 14:45of medical, patient advocacy,
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14:45 - 14:47environmental and religious organizations,
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14:47 - 14:50who had submitted friend of the court
briefs in the case. -
14:52 - 14:55Also in the room were three leaders
of the Human Genome Project, -
14:55 - 14:57including the co-discoverer
of DNA himself, -
14:57 - 14:59James Watson,
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14:59 - 15:01who had submitted a brief to the court,
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15:01 - 15:04where he referred
to gene patenting as "lunacy." -
15:04 - 15:06(Laughter)
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15:06 - 15:10The diversity of the communities
represented in this room -
15:10 - 15:13and the contributions each had made
to make this day a reality -
15:13 - 15:16spoke volumes to what was at stake.
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15:16 - 15:19The argument itself was riveting.
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15:19 - 15:21Chris argued brilliantly.
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15:21 - 15:22But for me,
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15:22 - 15:26the most thrilling aspect was watching
the Supreme Court Justices grapple -
15:26 - 15:28with isolated DNA,
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15:28 - 15:31through a series of colorful analogies
and feisty exchanges, -
15:31 - 15:34very much the same way
as our legal team had done -
15:34 - 15:36for the past seven years.
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15:37 - 15:39Justice Kagan likened isolating DNA
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15:39 - 15:42to extracting a medicinal plant
from the Amazon. -
15:44 - 15:48Justice Roberts distinguished it
from carving a baseball bat from a tree. -
15:49 - 15:51And in one of my absolutely
favorite moments, -
15:52 - 15:57Justice Sotomayor proclaimed isolated DNA
to be "just nature sitting there." -
15:57 - 15:58(Laughter)
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15:58 - 16:01We felt pretty confident
leaving the courtroom that day, -
16:01 - 16:04but I could never have
anticipated the outcome: -
16:06 - 16:07Nine to zero.
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16:08 - 16:12"A naturally occurring DNA segment
is a product of nature, -
16:12 - 16:15and not patent-eligible merely because
it has been isolated. -
16:15 - 16:17And furthermore,
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16:17 - 16:19Myriad did not create anything."
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16:21 - 16:23Within 24 hours of the decision,
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16:23 - 16:25five labs had announced
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16:25 - 16:28that they would begin to offer testing
for the BRCA genes. -
16:28 - 16:32Some of them promised to offer the tests
at a lower price than Myriad's. -
16:32 - 16:35Some promised to provide
a more comprehensive test -
16:35 - 16:37than the one Myriad was offering.
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16:37 - 16:40But of course the decision
goes far beyond Myriad. -
16:40 - 16:45It ends a 25-year practice
of allowing patents on human genes -
16:45 - 16:46in the United States.
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16:46 - 16:51It clears a significant barrier
to biomedical discovery and innovation. -
16:51 - 16:56And it helps to ensure that patients
like Abigail, Kathleen and Eileen -
16:56 - 16:59have access to the tests that they need.
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17:00 - 17:03A few weeks after the court
issued its decision, -
17:03 - 17:05I received a small package in the mail.
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17:06 - 17:08It was from Bob Cook-Deegan,
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17:08 - 17:10a professor at Duke University,
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17:10 - 17:13and one the very first people
Chris and I went to visit -
17:13 - 17:16when we started to consider
whether to bring this case. -
17:17 - 17:20I opened it up to find
a small stuffed animal. -
17:21 - 17:24(Laughter)
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17:27 - 17:29We took a big risk in taking this case.
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17:30 - 17:32Part of what gave us the courage
to take that risk -
17:32 - 17:35was knowing that we were doing
the right thing. -
17:35 - 17:39The process took nearly eight years
from the start to finish, -
17:39 - 17:41with many twists and turns along the way.
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17:42 - 17:43A little luck certainly helped,
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17:44 - 17:47but it was the communities
that we bridged, -
17:47 - 17:49the alliances that we created,
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17:49 - 17:50that made pigs fly.
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17:51 - 17:52Thank you.
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17:52 - 17:57(Applause)
- Title:
- How I took on the gene patent industry -- and won | Tania Simoncelli | TEDxAmoskeagMillyard
- Description:
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In 2005, Tania Simoncelli, then the Science Advisor for the American Civil Liberties Union, contemplated a question at once simple and complex: Are human genes patentable? At the time, U.S. patent law said they were -- which meant patent holders had the right to stop anyone from sequencing, testing, or even looking at a gene they had patented. Troubled by the way this law both harmed patients and created a barrier to biomedical discovery and innovation, Simoncelli partnered with ACLU attorney Chris Hansen to challenge it. In this riveting talk, she tells the story of how they took a case everybody told them they would lose all the way to the Supreme Court -- and won.
Learn more about #TEDxAM14at http://bit.ly/1DZMWzo.
Tania Simoncelli is Assistant Director for Forensic Science and Biomedical Information in the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. She previously worked for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, where she served as Senior Advisor in the Office of Medical Products and Tobacco. From 2003-2010, Simoncelli worked as the Science Advisor to the ACLU, where she guided the organization’s responses to cutting-edge developments in science and technology that pose challenges for civil liberties. In 2013, Simoncelli was named by the journal Nature as one of “ten people who mattered this year” for her work with the ACLU in overturning gene patents.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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TED Translators admin edited English subtitles for Are human genes patentable? | Tania Simoncelli | TEDxAmoskeagMillyard | |
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TED Translators admin edited English subtitles for Are human genes patentable? | Tania Simoncelli | TEDxAmoskeagMillyard | |
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TED Translators admin edited English subtitles for Are human genes patentable? | Tania Simoncelli | TEDxAmoskeagMillyard |