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*RC3 preroll music*
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Herald: Hello, and welcome back on the
x-Hain stage at this very strange RC3. Now
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on the second day and our next talk is by
aprica and Saad, we're going to talk about
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how to add critical making to your
critical thinking to your making. And
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there was a talk two years ago at 35 c3
when we're still able to meet in person,
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which was also already talking about the
subject. And this now kind of as a follow
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up. And they're going to talk about what
we can learn from critical makers and
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other grassroot initiatives. Yes, the
stage is yours.
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aprica: Thank you, Carl. Thank you so much
for hosting us here under the tree and
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X-Hain. Well, maybe not so great to be
here and great to have you all watching in
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the stream, and I hope next year we will
meet on the trees again and also not on
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the trees and the at the rocket. So I'm
aprica . I'm part of the global innovation
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gathering a big worldwide community that I
often describe as global erpha, which most
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of the CCC- folks would know as a
Erfahrungsaustauschkreis. So knowledge
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sharing and circle. And so we are also a
knowledge sharing circle, and I'm joined
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by Saad, who was one of the amazing
members of the association and of the
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network of gig from Singapore. And do you
want to quickly introduce yourself as
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well?
Saad: Sure thing. I'm based in Singapore
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normally, and last year we had a little
talk about with Regina and on critical
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thinking and critical making, which was
actually quite phenomenal. The response
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was really great. And who had a chance to
work on this, together with the other gig
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members, members of the Global Innovation
Group, which is also part. So I'm very
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happy to be with you a little bit of my
background. I'm a tech person. I run a
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small startup in Singapore and I also help
with maker spaces and tech for good. And
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I'm a huge coffee snob that that's me.
aprica: Other people would call it coffee
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coffee geek. *both laughing*
Saab:That works too.
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aprica: Nice. So I think some people now
in the stream also see our slides and we
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are on the first slide. And on the second
slide, you would see a picture of an
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actual stage and an actual Congress where
Regina and Saad last year defined
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critical, making the topic rules two years
ago. It's basically yesterday like pre-
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pandemic, but it's also 100 years ago,
right? So last time*laughs* you spoke
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about the topic, you define it as adding
critical thinking to the making. And so we
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arrive at critical making. And I guess
there's like 200 other definitions of
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this. Which one did you share, Saad?
Saad: Making with a purpose, I think, is
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the one that puts the best. The idea that
the skills and experience and knowledge
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that have being applied towards something
that is constructive and meaningful, and
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that means very different things to very
different people. So depending on the
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context that you're in, the definition
changes quite dramatically by sort of
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digging down into it, making with a
purpose, understanding what that purpose
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is, rather than just using your 3D printer
for printing you over their heads all the
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time, you think about how this could
actually help people with customization,
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personalization, things like that. So
that's the that's the sort of thing that
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definition, but I prefer to making with
the purpase.
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aprica: Well, yeah, that's certainly one
of them. Yeah, very easy to understand
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once. Also, it's also very academic
concept. And so everybody who's interested
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in this whole concept and all and all the
different areas of critical making, we
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highly recommend. I highly recommend
because speaking of this, I really
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recommend to watch the talk by Regina and
Saad. It's like one hour long, and it will
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give them very comprehensive and also
academic viewpoint of the topic. And today
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I think we will focus more on, what
happened since then and what's beyond just
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the not just beyond the concept. So to go
to the third slide, you see, this is one
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of the pictures also shared in the talk
back then of the global innovation
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gathering, when we also were still
gathering physically with the Big Blue
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Mobile Lab. And I would love to go like
for two minutes into what's happened since
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we gathered the last time. So what
happened during the pandemic in terms of
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how? How did critical making evolve in
public perception during the time of the
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pandemic? Saad, what would you say?
Saad: Well, I think we've seen a
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phenomenal response, a global response
from makers to meet the needs of what the
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pandemic has surfaced. I mean, I think
there's a phenomenal potential here in the
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nature of this response. But if we
remember about a year or so ago and I
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know, time is broken because of COVID, but
about a year or so ago, there was this
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shortage of personal protective equipment,
PPE and people came forward in order to
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try and help. And it wasn't just health
care workers, it wasn't just social
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workers. It was anybody and everybody who
had skills or knowledge or experience,
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tried to find a way to make themselves
useful. And this happening on a global
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scale in response to something like the
personal shortage of PPE. Drew out a lot
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of critical neighbors, as in makers who
were quite comfortable with how 3D
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printers work or how maker spaces work,
and trying to apply that to a social need,
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which I think is remarkable in itself. But
on a global scale, I think that that that
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potential is phenomenal, that all of us
have had to find ways to adapt digitally
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and go online and do things remotely. And
I really miss having a CCC in person, for
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example, and the global innovation
gathering hasn't happened in person. So I
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really do miss that and I'm looking
forward to a time where we're able to meet
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in person again, trying to stay
optimistic, but with we're still not out
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of it yet. The pandemic is still very much
something we're adapting to, something
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that we're responding to. And to answer
your question, what's changed, I feel, is
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that people are now more involved. People
who are normally sort of in their own
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maker spaces bubble or in the tech bubble
or in the hacker space bubble are now more
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involved and more engaged and recognized
for the skills to be relevant to a social
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cause. So I think moving forward, I would
like to see us try and tap on that
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potential as much as possible.
aprica: Yeah, definitely, and I mean, the
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space we're in at the moment, the Ixion
can make space was like at the forefront
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together with, of course, many other
spaces in Germany to produce such
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protective equipment. And if you see
around around us now, you also see like
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lots of figurines of, I don't know, Yoda
hats, for example, and many other things
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that bring joy to making as well. And
that, for example, help to educate about,
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which tools to use, for example. And then,
yeah, looking in what you're doing in
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Singapore, was creating toys for children
with disabilities, which you also sharing
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in the talk two years ago, where they can
interact with like big buttons instead of
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like tiny, tiny things that they can't
really touch and interact with. That's
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also bringing lots of joy. And it's not
only always to counter a pandemic, but it
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was there before. And now I think it's
very, yeah, more in mainstream. Well, it
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was for a time more arriving in mainstream
that this is really, yeah, a movement or
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movements to follow and to contribute to
as well. So what we often do and this is
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the next slide is we create a Horizon 2020
proposal for things we want to do. And so
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this is my work actually to bring in
funding that lasts us for two and a half
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years, for example, in this case, to
really further research, to collaborate
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with researchers as a civil society
organization ourselves and to be able to
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work together globally on a specific
project and on a specific topic. So in the
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craziness of the beginning of the
pandemic, we found that critical making is
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the one topic that is not very researched
and that we can contribute to as a network
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and also connecting with Regina as part of
the two billion and other organizations
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that you see here with Vicki Factory.
That's a global platform for makers to
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share designs, for example, and to find a
community of other designers and makers
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and the Center for Social Innovation in
Austria and also Vitt in Finland. So we've
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produced this project together that got
finally accepted by the European Union,
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which was really nice. And so we are now
thankful for getting support for the
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research we're doing now in critical
making. So this was after after Congress
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that we wrote this. And the main goal and
you see this on the next slide, is to help
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make a communities to work with anyone to
contribute to open source innovation. And
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so from this very complex like research
frameworks that Horizon 2020 is using,
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like the responsible research and
innovation framework and others, we found
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that it connects very well with values
that also we want to further contribute
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to, like openness, like inclusion. And so
we selected a few of those. We selected
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gender diversity, we selected young
talents. We call it because in such
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proposals, you often have to use language
that speaks to the funder. And we also
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selected openness as a very broad term,
also to research on. And today I would
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like to show you a little bit of what's
already happened, because we're now at the
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end of the first year of the project and
show you about what we're up to as well.
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So to just give you a very tiny glimpse
into, what we did in the gender work
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package, we work with different spaces,
different makers in several countries. And
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in this case, I brought two examples of
case studies that will be published soon
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about different spaces. The. One is Miss
Baltazar Laboratory and Austria, which I
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highly recommend to check out. And then
there were like many different more and
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also X-Hain. And of course, I need to show
that here as we are in X-Hain at the
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moment. *laughs* And this is super nice
because of course, if you like think about
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gender, many people would assume it's only
about like inclusion of women of girls in
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maker spaces. But of course it's not. It's
like to have an understanding of the
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multitude of genders and also like them to
to include everyone. Also have a nice
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space for people identifying as male,
female and many other genders. And in this
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case, it's just so nice also about X-Hain,
that they are not saying like we have
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space for women or we have space for only
for a specific kind of nerd. But we want
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to be very, very inclusive and very safe
for everyone. So that's just a very tiny
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examples you will find online more in our
deliverables. We call it that. Yeah. The
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reports that we have to hand in to the
European Union. And then after handing
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them in, we take snippets out of these and
published them and a more like human
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interaction formats, that people outside
of academia can also read better and watch
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better. Than the next one I see in slide
nine is Yang Taelons, which basically make
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about maker education for young people.
And there you already find online, and
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that's the next slide. The review of
measures to integrate young people into
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make a community. And then we looked
mostly only at Germany at the moment and
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want to be creating this for other
countries as well. So if you're interested
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in this part of the project, you can
already download like the full report, the
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first one. But you can also reach out to
us and contribute to the next steps. And
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then the part in the next slide openness,
which is the one that I want to be talking
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a little bit more about, because that's
the one, where we're mostly working
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together here. So for openness, you see in
the next slide, that was some academic
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article now published, which is a
literature review on the openness
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practices and which is like, very directed
for researchers, of course. But we're also
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starting to make, yeah, like talks like
this about what was found out by our
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colleagues, who were doing the literature
review. So in the next slide, you see a
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little bit more accessible. What they
found is that openness, as probably all of
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you also know, it's one of the core values
of global makeup movements. But as you
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probably also all know, there are lots and
lots of different interpretations and ways
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of practicing this. So we can speak about
open hardware, which is probably one of
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the most obvious for many of the people
just watching this, because it's also
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something we speak at Chaos Congress all
the time. So like sharing what you're
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making and like open repositories, for
example, creating very easy tech like
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frugal tech, customizing things. So that's
all integral part of open hardware. I
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would say from then found other aspects
that are strong in the literature as well,
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like openness can also be understood as
inclusion and empowerment of, for example,
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of people with disabilities, but also
generally consumers or ethnic minorities.
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So all different kinds of inclusions that
one could think of. It's probably like one
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of the things, I think also a slick
hacker. Ethics is concerned, but. That is
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maybe not always in our minds and then
also very important economic growth,
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especially if we look at the global scale
of the maker movement. So that we have
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open business models, for example, and
high innovation activities and. And the
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field. And so this already shows also lots
of tension, so I would like to go to the
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next slide, where you see the tensions
identified in the scientific literature.
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So there's lots of tension between
different economic stances like people who
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want to have their make up practice,
mostly for leisure purposes, mostly for
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also capitalistic or anti capitalistic
purposes. So this is quite an important
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tension to identify and also to to work
around. Then tensions arising from
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different imagined areas of the future
role of making like, do you use it in a
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revolutionary sense or in the sense that
contributes to the current status of the
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capitalist system, for example? And then
also, of course, always that's maybe the
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least important finding between individual
and collective orientations, where you
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often have, like, What do I do? And what
is good for society is. Something that's
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always important to to go forward with us
as a discussion. Yeah. So these are the
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scientific findings from this article. Not
not all of them, of course. Please read
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the article also has more in it. And do
you want to add something, Saad? You will
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bring more examples of these different
tensions, I guess.
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Saad: Yeah, I mean, I have my perspective
is always the sort of hands on learning by
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example kind of approach. For the more
academic perspective, I turn to Regina and
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people who are with the academic
community. So I won't I can't really speak
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to that perspective. But, to add to what
you've already said, I think the the
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nature of the work, at least from my
perspective, being all hands on does meet
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a lot of resistance with these
restrictions, you the whole pandemic
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situation. So I'm hoping that we are going
to see more examples of people coming
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forward with a more constructive mindset
and the ability to share. Because we've
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seen examples of this in response to the
pandemic, and some of that is now starting
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to show up in people's mindset. And when
people who are normally not so engaged
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with engineering, good, where I volunteer,
is depends entirely on volunteers. And
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sometimes people show up like once a week,
once one weekend a month to volunteer, and
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then they go back into their day to day
lives and we see them every now and again,
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when they have the time. But in the last
few in the recent past, we've seen a
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different kind of volunteer, a different
kind of mindset that they bring to their
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work. And it seems a little bit more
motivated, I feel. And so the work, that
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we've been doing in the past, this idea of
being open and to share and to be able to
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look into other people's work and try and
replicate it, that aspect is starting to
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get to be more welcomed by these
volunteers. It's not seen as an alien
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idea. It's not like you have to sort of
like workshop it and get people
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comfortable with this idea. And in Asian
cultures, that more of that is necessary,
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I feel. But the remarkable difference, I
think. I don't know if this is just me,
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but from what I've seen, the mindset has
shifted and people are more open to trying
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new things and also sharing what they've
tried, rather than waiting until they get
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to a point, that something works and then
they share it. So the process of that
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they're going through is something that
you don't, at least with Asian
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sensibilities, you tend not to share it.
You would think that it's not good enough
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or it's not fully formed yet. So you tend
to keep it to yourself or just a few
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people that you're working with and it
never gets documented. It never gets
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shared. But I'm starting to see more
examples of that.
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aprica: Yeah, I think that's not only
Asian. Asian problem *laughs*, but we have
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it like everywhere that you have so many
projects or left foot products that people
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create, that are like prototypes to a
certain stage and then you either don't
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have time for it anymore or you just feel
like you can't finish it and it never gets
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documented. So that's also one of the
issues. We found another identified when
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we met in 2019 in Kenya and the crew. This
the global innovation gathering in the
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like Work Workshop kind of conference, and
we came up with what is shared on the next
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slide. The principles of sustainable
making and sustainable is not only
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environmentally, but also, what you would
call maybe responsible or with purpose. So
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do you want to share a little bit more
about that?
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Saad: With the process behind? This was
mind boggling to me. The sort of energy
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that was in the room at the time, when we
were discussing this was sort of, for me,
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at least very hard to keep up with. And
the challenge was to try and encapsulate
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what that sort of very diverse
perspectives that were coming in all at
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the same time, because with the global
innovation gathering and many other groups
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of that sort. There's a lot of diversity
and the nature of the people who are
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working on maker spaces and co-working
spaces are sort of enterprise type of
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ecosystems or hackerspaces. They're very
socially engaged and it tends to be in
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response to the local environment in which
they exist. So the learnings and the sort
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of mindset that they have and they bring
to this, this particular topic, that we're
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talking about unlocked a whole world of
opinions and perspectives. And all of that
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was flooding in and to this room after
having gone through the sort of ice
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breaking thing, it was all just pouring in
and it was very difficult to sort of sort
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out what was happening. So the process was
a mess. And if you look at the image now,
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it's very neat and clean and tidy. But I
feel every single aspect of what's being
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portrayed here is a representation of this
diversity in an international on a global
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scale, and all of this was just before the
pandemic and the idea of this of this
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global perspective, bringing it through
times of crisis, I think is phenomenal. I
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mean, I could go on and on and Typekit,
but that's just what I think at the point.
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aprica: Thank you, and yeah, I also feel
it's phenomenal, and we try to replicate
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this kind of. Yeah. Sessions and workshops
online and to have big whiteboards
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together. But yeah, I'm very happy that we
also got to build this still in person.
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And so we came up with these five
principles of integrate local knowledge of
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make things that make sense, of share how
you make like that's one of the openness
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factors, of course, build for continuity
and also include ecosystem services. So
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look around you and look what's already
there and also contribute back to what's
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around you. And based on these and what we
already talked about in particular making.
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We built this project. And while I was
away for three months and didn't look at
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any email and recharged this year, the
project team also updated this for our
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project, so that we now look at being
local and connected. Have like a social
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background and what you're doing at the
criticality. So be reflexive, have an
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impact and change structures and adding to
it the joyful and meaningful. But we
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didn't found and our principles PAC Man,
which is we of course, always think that's
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part of it, hopefully.*laughes* So adding
some glitter is always necessary. So this
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from that slide is, what we're now working
with and the critical making principles,
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basically, and we are also building upon
it in the next steps of the project. So I
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would like to share, what we're now
working on in the next few months, which
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is on the next slide. The Critical Making
Mentoring program, which is to be starting
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to have an open call in January or early
February. And then we'll go through four
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will go on for the whole year. So on the
next slide, you see, why are we doing
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this? We did like a small survey within
our own circles and again found, that
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openness also for everybody in the global
innovation gathering community is very
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important value, which we knew, but it's
nice to see it again. And then also the
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economic opportunities of making all very
important. So we're thinking about lower
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income countries sometimes. But also if
you look at high income countries, there's
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so many volunteer projects like projects
are doing in your free time that in the
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end you would like to find somehow a way
to further work on them. And what is
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possible without any like economic
background to add to it? And then also
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inclusion was recognized as an important
topic like including, for example, people
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with lower technical skills and also, for
example, having making more accessible for
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people with disabilities. So we're looking
at that. And on the next slide, you see,
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I'm trying to live up to the value of
sharing early, like one of those online
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mind boards of like forts of seeing, what
we want to be doing in the year in this
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project. where we're having mentoring
workshops throughout the summer and we
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will hopefully in the end have an amazing
demo week or demo day, where we also give
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a reward for people who participate in it.
And we're still in this last phase of co-
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designing that program to prepare the open
call. So I'm inviting you for watching now
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already to watch our space, to maybe apply
for the program or share it also with
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others who could be interested in it. And
last but not least, I would like to share
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a few tools and. Resources, whereas
currently assembling. So one of the things
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we're preparing for the next two months, I
think, is toolkits for researchers and
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filmmakers. And you see on the next slide
one example of a tool for makers, to learn
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about open hardware, and I hope you all
know this already. But if not, check out
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this open hardware makers program. It's an
amazing resource to learn like the basics
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of open hardware. We collected, you see on
the next slide, lots and lots of different
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resources for people to look at. And this
is just the first page of a long list,
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that we want to publish in the next weeks
for people to look at and to add to. And
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then the last bit I want to be sharing is
the self-reflection as a slider tool. And
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this is what you find on the slider tool
page, where we also look at the different
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categories of the principles and where we
use this tool once we start with the
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mentoring program for people to just
reflect back on their own making on their
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own projects and where we have the idea
that this would be like a like a game and
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Saad, you created that idea together with
a few other people also in Singapore to
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just have like a needle to spin. And then
you don't always answer it and the same
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like one after the other question, but you
can really make it also a little bit more
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fun. So on the next page, you see how this
was created, also from masi slides back
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back, when we were meeting in person. So
how it evolved and on the next slide, you
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see some guiding cards, that should help
you to actually think about what to ask
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yourself like. How do you think about what
makes sense or how do you think about
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being self-sustainable and to to share a
few questions around this? So you have
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like a card game that you can have and you
maker space and you can make a workshop
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around it and work with other people in
the maker space to speak about that. So,
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and then on the last page, you see how to
follow the project and how to contribute
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to it also in the wiki factory community
and where we will also be launching the
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calls on these platforms very soon in the
next year, which is basically tomorrow.
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*both are laughing* And if you're watching
this in January, it's maybe already there
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in February. So now I would say call can
come back.
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Herald: Yes. Thank you very much for the
talk. And before now, we have a few more
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minutes for a quick Q&A session. And
before we start that, I want to remind the
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viewers and listeners that you can ask
questions for this talk using Twitter and
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Mastodon using the hashtag ac3xhain.
That's rc3xhain. And you can also ask
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questions on IRC on Hekint and using the
Channel RC3-XHain. And we already got a
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few questions in, and many of them are
asking, where they can find more
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information. So you already showed the
link just now is everything you talked
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about can be found on there, I think?
aprica: Not everything is published yet.
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Many of the things I just showed are also
still a work in progress. And if somebody
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is like, eager to have it immediately, we
can of course share like our internal
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boards with people, but otherwise we
always like continuously publish things on
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the website to to find. Yeah.
Herald: OK. So the people just have to
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follow you on Twitter and look at your
website and reach out directly to you. And
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then the next question I got here was What
is frugal tech, exactly?
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aprica: Saad, do you want to answer that?
*both are laughing*
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Saad: It's an interesting question. I
mean, if depending on who you ask, it'll
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probably get co-opted as a new buzzword or
a hashtag, especially if you talk to the
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voice of venture capital and sort of
world. But the way I see it is sort of
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like borrowing from the disruptive mindset
where you look at what is available in the
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marketplace and find a lower cost
alternative for it. And when you look at
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the assistive tech marketplace, when you
work with persons with disabilities and
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you look at the devices that are
available, they suffer from high prices
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because of supply and demand. And you have
a fairly small, relatively small market
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and the cost of production of a
specialized device is quite high. So the
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products that you find in the assistive
tech marketplace tend to be very
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expensive. And when you look at it, it
could be as simple as just like a button,
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which you just press the button and
something happens and the button itself
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costs like sixty five dollars. And it
doesn't quite make sense to me that this
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is a good thing, but that is what you will
find in the marketplace. So to answer the
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question. I think frugal tech or frugal
innovation is to sort of think outside the
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box of the normal, or at least the
established workflow of making a product
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that is this expensive to take the end
price or the user perspective as the
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starting point and then figure out the
value chain from behind it are the cost of
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production from from that point on with an
inner makerspace that happens all the
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time. You are working with things that
you're not entirely sure of. So instead of
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starting with something really, really
expensive, you start with something that
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is cheap and cheerful, something that you
can have lots of. If you break one, that's
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OK, you can always try it on another one.
And then when you're confident with that,
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you translate what you've learned into
something that's a little bit expensive.
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So that I think Approach speaks to, I
think, what people are calling now frugal
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tech or frugal innovation.
aprica: Oh, my very short answer would
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have been that just low cost, because
that's the easiest I would be able to come
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up with, but that's way more colorful now.
I hope for everybody. *laugh*
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Herald: Yes, and thank you for the great
explanation. The next question we have is
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how does this movement or how do you
include people who are not that interested
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in politics or the political side of
making and just want to build cool stuff?
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*both laughing*
aprica: How do you do that in Singapore?
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Well, it's very easy because, you know,
the political scene in Singapore is quite,
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how shall we put this? Not very exciting.
And I don't really care much for politics
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either. Whether it be like, you know, at
the government level, our internal
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politics within large companies, I just I
just don't have the mental capacity for
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wrap my head around that. So I really like
to just do things. And I find that with a
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physical thing, it's easier to talk about
something. It sort of crystallizes what
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your your ideas are, even if the thing is
made out of Post-it notes or cardboard or,
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you know, cable ties and duct tape. It
just having that little physical, tangible
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prototype helps focus the attention on the
thing that you're trying to solve. So the
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conversation I find becomes solution
oriented rather than ideological process
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or about manufacturing principles or
design ideologies or even good ones. So I
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find that it's not I mean, it didn't work
all the time, but having something
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tangible really helps to sort of bring
that point back to the solution that
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you're talking about.
aprica: Yeah, yeah. And adding to that,
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there's always like so many different
levels of politics. So maybe you're not
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interested in global or national or
whatever politics, but you're still
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interested to help your own community
around you. So if you look at, I don't
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know, sensors for airquality or if you
look at providing free public Wi-Fi for
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people or all these things are very
political in one way and very much not
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very political in another way, like
depending on how you want to look at them.
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So. So I think there will be like areas to
contribute for anyone, like whether it's
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for their own grandma or whether it's for
like a whole school class. In the end,
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that's not so important.
Herald: OK. Very interesting. So I think
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now our time for Q&A is almost over. So I
want to thank both of you again for having
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this really interesting talk here at our
X-Hain stage. And I want to thank all of
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you us for watching. And our next talk
will happen in a bit more than an hour at
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16:00. It's the car's audio. It's 407
reverse engineering kochen, nähen break
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points, and I hope we'll see you all
there.
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aprica: And maybe I'm sorry, Tony
commercial if you're still there. Go to
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the open hardware. Happy hour and also go
to on the last day to the prototype and
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hardware announcements. So don't miss
that.
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