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The injustice of "policing for profit" -- and how to end it

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    Picture yourself driving
    down the road tomorrow,
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    heading somewhere to buy an item
    you found on Craigslist.
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    Perhaps a nice mountain
    bike for $3000.
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    At that price,
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    it's probable one of those bikes
    with a little electric motor on it?
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    (Laughter)
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    Maybe some streamers from the handle bars?
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    (Laughter)
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    The sellers declared
    this a "cash only" deal
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    so you have, in the console
    of your car, $3000.
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    Suddenly you are pulled over.
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    During the stop, the officer asks,
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    "Do you have any drugs, weapons
    or large amounts of cash in your car?"
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    You truthfully answer, "yes,"
    not to the drugs or the weapons
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    but to the cash.
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    In the blink of an eye,
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    you are ordered out of your car.
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    The officer searches
    it and finds your cash.
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    On the spot, he seizes it and says
    he suspects it's part o f a drug crime.
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    A few days later,
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    the local district attorney files
    paperwork to keep your money ...
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    permanently.
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    And all of this happens
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    without you ever being charged
    or convicted of any crime.
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    Now you might be saying,
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    "Ach, this would never
    happen in the United States."
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    (Laughter)
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    Incidents like this occur
    every day in our country.
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    It's one of the most significant
    threats to your property rights
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    most people have never even heard of.
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    It's called civil forfeiture.
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    Most of you are generally aware
    of criminal forfeiture,
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    although the term itself might be
    a little unfamiliar,
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    so let's begin with forfeiture.
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    When we forfeit something
    we give up that thing
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    or we're forced to give it up.
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    In criminal forfeiture,
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    someone is charged
    and convicted of a crime,
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    and therefore they have to give up
    property related to that crime.
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    For example, you use your car
    to transport and deal drugs.
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    You're caught and convicted;
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    now you have to give up
    or forfeit your car
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    as part of the sentencing.
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    That's criminal forfeiture.
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    But in civil forfeiture,
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    no person is charged with a crime --
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    the property is charged
    and convicted of a crime.
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    (Laughter)
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    You heard that correctly.
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    The government actually convicts
    an inanimate object with a crime.
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    (Laughter)
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    It's as if that thing itself
    committed the crime.
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    That's why civil forfeiture cases
    have these really peculiar names
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    like "The United States of America
    v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird."
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    (Laughter)
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    Or "The State of Oklahoma
    v. $53,234 cash."
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    (Laughter)
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    Or my personal favorite:
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    "The United States of America
    v. One Solid Gold Object
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    in the form of a rooster."
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    (Laughter)
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    Now you're thinking --
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    how does something like this happen?
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    That's exactly what I said
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    when I first learned
    about civil forfeiture
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    while one a road trip with my wife.
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    No, we did not get pulled over --
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    (Laughter)
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    I was reading about the history
    of civil forfeiture
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    as part of my work as a research
    director at the law firm,
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    and I came across one of the cases
    I just mentioned,
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    "The United States of America
    v. One 1990 Ford Thunderbird."
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    In that case, Carol Thomas loaned
    her car to her son.
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    While in the car, her son committed
    a minor drug crime.
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    Carol didn't commit any crime,
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    so law enforcement couldn't
    convict her and take the car,
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    but they could --
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    and did --
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    use civil forfeiture to "convict
    the car" and take it.
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    Carol was completely innocent
    but she lost her car nonetheless.
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    In other words,
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    she was punished for a crime
    she did not commit.
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    When I read this I was gobsmacked.
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    (Laughter)
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    How could this occur?
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    How is this even legal?
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    It turns out it began in our country
    with maritime law.
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    Early in our republic, the government
    sought to fight piracy --
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    yes, actual pirates.
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    The problem was the government
    often couldn't catch the pirates,
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    so instead it used civil forfeiture
    to convict the pirates' property
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    and take it,
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    and therefore deny the pirates
    their illegal profits.
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    Of course, the government
    could've simply taken and kept the booty
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    without using civil forfeiture,
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    but doing so would've violated
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    our most basic due process
    and property rights.
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    Now the government rarely used
    civil forfeiture until the 1980s
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    and the war on drugs.
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    We expanded civil forfeiture law
    to cover drug crimes,
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    and then later, other types of crime.
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    Canada and the European Union
    adopted similar provisions
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    so that now all kinds of people
    are ensnared in the forfeiture web.
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    People like Russ Caswell.
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    Russ Caswell owned a small,
    budget motel in Tewksbury, Massachusetts.
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    His father built the motel in 1955
    and Russ took it over in the 1980s.
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    During the years that Russ
    owned the motel,
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    from time to time,
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    people would rent rooms
    and they would commit drug crimes.
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    Russ didn't condone the activities --
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    in fact, whenever he found out about it,
    he would immediately call police.
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    Russ was entirely innocent of any crime,
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    but that did not stop the US Department
    of Justice from seizing his motel
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    simply because other people
    committed crimes there.
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    But Russ' case was not alone.
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    Between 1997 and 2016,
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    the US Department of Justice
    took more than 635,000 properties.
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    This means each year,
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    tens of thousands of people
    lose their properties
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    in cases in which they're never charged
    of convicted of any crime.
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    And we're not talking about --
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    not necessarily talking about
    major drug kingpins
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    or headline-grabbing financial fraudsters
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    whose cases involve hundreds
    of thousands if not millions of dollars.
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    Many of these seizures and forfeitures
    involve just everyday people
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    like Russ Caswell,
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    or you,
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    or me.
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    But it gets worse.
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    Are you wondering,
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    where does all this cash
    and property end up?
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    In most places, law enforcement keeps it.
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    And they use it to buy equipment,
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    or pay for building repairs,
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    or even pay salaries and overtime.
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    This is a clear conflict of interest.
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    It creates a perverse profit incentive
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    that can distort law enforcement.
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    And this is a problem that's not lost
    on those in law enforcement either.
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    Former chief of police
    in Rochester, Minnesota,
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    Roger Peterson,
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    described the choice
    that police officers often face.
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    As he described it,
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    supposed I'm a police officer
    and I see a drug deal.
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    Now I face a choice:
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    do I go after the buyer
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    and remove from the street illegal drugs?
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    Or do I go after the seller
    and get cash for my agency to use?
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    So it's easy to see why
    a police officer might go for the cash.
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    It was just such a circumstance
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    that compelled police officers
    in Philadelphia
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    to seize and entire house.
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    In 2014, Chris and Markela Sourovelis' son
    sold 40 dollars worth of drugs
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    down the street from their house.
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    40 dollars.
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    The police watched the deal go down.
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    They could've arrested the buyer
    and confiscated the drugs ...
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    but they didn't.
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    They could've arrested the Sourovelis' son
    right there on the street
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    and grabbed 40 dollars ...
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    but they didn't.
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    They waited to arrest him at home
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    because then they could seize
    their entire house.
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    The house was worth 350,000 dollars.
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    That is what I mean
    by a perverse profit incentive.
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    But the Sourovelis' case was no outlier.
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    Philadelphia, the "City
    of Brotherly Love,"
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    they "Athens of America,"
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    the "cradle of liberty,"
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    birthplace to the Constitution,
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    home to the Liberty Bell
    and Independence Hall,
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    the "City that loves you back" --
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    (Laughter)
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    that Philadelphia was running
    a forfeiture machine.
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    Between 2002 and 2016
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    Philadelphia took more than 77 million
    dollars through forfeiture,
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    including 1200 homes.
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    Cars, jewelry, electronics --
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    all of it they sold,
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    the proceeds they kept,
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    and they would've kept right on doing it
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    had it not been
    for a class-action lawsuit --
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    our team's class action lawsuit --
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    (Applause and cheers)
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    Thank you.
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    We forced them to change
    their forfeiture practices
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    and to compensate victims.
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    (Applause and cheers)
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    When our team first began
    researching forfeiture in 2007,
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    we had no idea how much
    forfeiture revenue there was.
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    In fact no one knew.
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    It wasn't until out groundbreaking study,
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    "Policing for Profit"
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    that we found federal law
    enforcement agencies have taken in
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    almost 40 billion dollars --
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    billion with a b --
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    since 2001.
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    More than 80 percent of that
    through civil forfeiture.
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    Unfortunately we have no idea
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    how much state and local
    agencies have taken in
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    because in many states,
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    they don't have to report it.
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    So until we reform forfeiture,
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    we'll never know how much
    forfeiture activity actually occurs
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    in the United States.
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    And we desperately need reform.
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    Legislatures should abolish
    civil forfeiture
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    and replace it with criminal forfeiture.
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    And all forfeiture proceeds
    should go to neutral fund
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    such as a general fund.
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    When forfeiture proceeds stop hitting
    law enforcement budgets directly,
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    that is when we will end
    policing for profit.
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    (Applause)
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    Now as you can imagine,
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    law enforcement officials
    don't love these recommendations.
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    (Laughter)
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    They stand to lose a lot of money,
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    and they believe civil forfeiture
    is an effective crime-fighting tool.
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    The trouble is, it's not.
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    In June 2019, we released a study
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    that found forfeiture does not
    improve crime-fighting.
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    And the report also found
    that law enforcement agencies pursue
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    more forfeiture money
    during economic downturns.
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    So when city and county budgets are tight,
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    law enforcement will use
    forfeiture to find the money.
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    So it's no wonder then
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    that law enforcement officials
    predict a "criminal apocolypse" --
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    (Laughter)
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    if these reforms are adopted.
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    But some states have
    already implemented them,
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    and we're pushing for reform
    all across the country
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    because until we reform forfeiture,
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    this is something that could
    happen to any of us.
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    It can happen in the United States,
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    it can happen in the United Kingdom,
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    it can happen in countries
    throughout the European Union
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    and beyond.
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    People like you and me
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    and the Sourvellis'
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    and Russ Caswell,
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    just doing the everyday stuff of life,
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    can be caught in a scheme
    we never thought possible.
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    It is time we end policing for profit
    once and for all.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause and cheers)
Title:
The injustice of "policing for profit" -- and how to end it
Speaker:
Dick M. Carpenter II
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Video Language:
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Team:
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Duration:
12:54

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