The courage to live with radical uncertainty
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0:01 - 0:03What's the worst that could happen?
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0:04 - 0:07Almost exactly 10 years ago,
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0:07 - 0:10I was sitting in an exam room
that was way too cold -
0:10 - 0:13waiting to meet my new oncologist.
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0:13 - 0:15I was terrified.
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0:15 - 0:19Even though my partner at the time
was sitting right by my side, -
0:19 - 0:21I felt completely alone.
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0:21 - 0:24I had just been diagnosed
with breast cancer, -
0:24 - 0:26and it seemed at the time
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0:26 - 0:30that a single bright spot
on a scan of my right lung -
0:30 - 0:33meant that the cancer had already spread.
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0:34 - 0:36I had metastatic breast cancer.
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0:37 - 0:39I had no medical training at this point,
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0:39 - 0:41but I knew what it meant if it were true:
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0:42 - 0:44incurable breast cancer.
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0:46 - 0:48Terminal breast cancer.
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0:49 - 0:51I was 27 years old,
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0:51 - 0:54had just been accepted to medical school,
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0:54 - 0:57and I wondered if I was already
at the end of my life. -
0:58 - 1:03My new oncologist was not a warm person.
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1:04 - 1:06She dealt in simple facts,
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1:06 - 1:09as many brilliant physicians do.
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1:10 - 1:14"Our body is made up
of cells," she started. -
1:14 - 1:16I stopped her.
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1:16 - 1:19"I'm starting medical school soon.
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1:19 - 1:20I know."
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1:21 - 1:25Instead of taking this as a signal
to go backward, to start again, -
1:26 - 1:27she went forward.
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1:27 - 1:30She said that I would need
to start on chemotherapy -
1:30 - 1:31to control the cancer.
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1:31 - 1:35She launched into the details
of the drug and the side effects -
1:35 - 1:36and the schedule.
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1:37 - 1:41I reminded her that we hadn't even yet
biopsied the bright spot on my lung, -
1:41 - 1:44and I asked if she was sure
that it was cancer. -
1:45 - 1:51I remember viscerally how she seemed
almost frustrated with my question. -
1:51 - 1:54Perhaps she thought I wasn't
following along with her explanations, -
1:54 - 1:57or, worse still, I was in denial.
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1:58 - 2:01I simply wanted her to understand
that, as her patient, -
2:01 - 2:07the biopsy was not just a mere formality
to prove an already foregone conclusion. -
2:07 - 2:11It was a steel needle
through skin, muscle and bone -
2:11 - 2:15that would deliver a deep piece of me
to the surface and answer a question -
2:15 - 2:18I wish didn't have to be asked.
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2:18 - 2:23Before the biopsy, I could be
a 27-year-old woman -
2:23 - 2:26who might have metastatic breast cancer,
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2:26 - 2:29who probably had metastatic breast cancer.
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2:29 - 2:31This is a critical distinction,
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2:31 - 2:36but it's not one that's emphasized
in the most elite oncology training. -
2:37 - 2:41Instead, I was dismissed
with an appointment to start treatment -
2:41 - 2:42in just a few weeks.
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2:44 - 2:47So much has happened
since that first visit. -
2:47 - 2:50Ironically, the biopsy was not
just a mere formality. -
2:50 - 2:54My former oncologist was right.
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2:54 - 2:55(Laughter)
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2:55 - 2:56It did show cancer,
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2:56 - 3:00but it was a totally separate lung cancer,
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3:00 - 3:02and as crazy as it sounds,
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3:02 - 3:05this was great news.
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3:05 - 3:08I did not have metastatic breast cancer,
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3:08 - 3:10I had two different cancers,
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3:10 - 3:12but both of them were localized,
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3:12 - 3:15and so the lung cancer
was localized enough -
3:15 - 3:17that it could be removed.
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3:17 - 3:20And so the onslaught of treatments began
with a lung surgery, -
3:20 - 3:22continued with chemotherapy
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3:22 - 3:26and ended with a breast surgery
just after my 28th birthday. -
3:27 - 3:29And then two weeks later,
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3:29 - 3:31I started medical school.
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3:32 - 3:35My new oncologist --
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3:35 - 3:36(Laughter)
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3:36 - 3:41who deals much more fluidly
both with facts and their implications, -
3:41 - 3:42very reasonably suggested
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3:42 - 3:46that I should defer my acceptance
to medical school for a year, -
3:46 - 3:50take some time to rest, to recover,
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3:50 - 3:52and I trusted her advice.
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3:52 - 3:56I felt terrible during the intensive
chemotherapy sessions. -
3:56 - 3:58And so I wrote to the dean.
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3:58 - 4:00I explained my circumstances,
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4:00 - 4:03and a deferral was speedily granted.
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4:03 - 4:06But as the chemo fog lifted,
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4:06 - 4:09I wondered what
I was going to do with a year. -
4:10 - 4:12Should I go to the beach?
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4:12 - 4:13(Laughter)
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4:13 - 4:16I wasn't really a beach person.
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4:16 - 4:17(Laughter)
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4:17 - 4:21And how many years
did I have left, anyway? -
4:21 - 4:23I really wanted to go to medical school.
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4:23 - 4:26It seemed like
a missing piece of my puzzle. -
4:26 - 4:30So instead of going around
and around with indecision, -
4:30 - 4:33I asked myself: What's the worst
that could happen? -
4:33 - 4:37Well, I could be too weak
or too sick to do the work. -
4:37 - 4:39It could be too hard for me emotionally.
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4:39 - 4:42I could fail out of medical school.
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4:42 - 4:46But then I remembered, that wouldn't be
the worst thing that happened to me -
4:46 - 4:47even that year.
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4:47 - 4:50So why not get started?
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4:50 - 4:54Why not continue living
the way that I wanted to live? -
4:55 - 4:56So I did.
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4:56 - 4:58Bald and rail thin,
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4:58 - 5:02I put on my best earrings
and my favorite dress, -
5:02 - 5:04and I started.
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5:04 - 5:06I pretended to belong,
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5:06 - 5:07and I began to.
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5:08 - 5:11There is no way to describe
how hard it was. -
5:11 - 5:14Some days it felt impossible.
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5:14 - 5:18It felt as if I was doing things
that would never matter in the future. -
5:18 - 5:22But every day, I asked myself:
Are you still enjoying this? -
5:22 - 5:24Is this still what you want to be doing?
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5:24 - 5:27And every day, the answer was yes,
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5:27 - 5:29sometimes a very qualified yes,
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5:29 - 5:31but a yes.
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5:31 - 5:33And then, just as I was
getting comfortable -
5:33 - 5:37and feeling like I might not necessarily
fail out of medical school, -
5:37 - 5:40I received even more devastating news.
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5:40 - 5:47I learned that I had a mutation
in a gene called TP53, or p53 for short. -
5:47 - 5:50Known as the guardian of the genome,
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5:50 - 5:51a mutation --
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5:51 - 5:56p53 is responsible for supervising
the repair of our DNA. -
5:56 - 6:00A mutation in this gene
means errors go uncorrected. -
6:00 - 6:04It means that normal cells
become cancerous at a much higher rate. -
6:04 - 6:06All of a sudden, with this knowledge,
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6:06 - 6:09my medical history
made a terrible kind of sense. -
6:10 - 6:14I had had a childhood cancer --
rhabdomyosarcoma -- at age seven. -
6:14 - 6:16It recurred when I was a teenager.
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6:16 - 6:20And this was all before p53
had been discovered in the lab. -
6:20 - 6:24Then I'd had young adult
breast and lung cancers. -
6:24 - 6:27With the knowledge of this mutation,
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6:27 - 6:29it seemed that there was likely no end
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6:29 - 6:32to the number of cancers
that I could expect in my future. -
6:33 - 6:35And yet,
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6:35 - 6:39I decided to become
a radiation oncologist. -
6:39 - 6:40(Laughter)
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6:40 - 6:44I hope to graduate from residency
in just a few months, -
6:44 - 6:45move to a new city
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6:45 - 6:50and start my first real job
as a doctor and researcher, -
6:51 - 6:53because of grit,
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6:53 - 6:55because of privilege,
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6:55 - 6:57because of therapy,
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6:57 - 7:02because of my medical teams
and my family and my teachers, -
7:03 - 7:07because genetic diagnoses
should give us the knowledge -
7:07 - 7:08to move forward.
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7:09 - 7:12And even in the year 2020,
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7:12 - 7:16that generally doesn't mean
miracle cures or medical breakthroughs. -
7:17 - 7:20Having a devastating genetic diagnosis
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7:20 - 7:23means learning to live with uncertainty.
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7:24 - 7:27It means learning that you
and your diagnosis -
7:27 - 7:30are not the worst thing that could happen.
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7:30 - 7:32Learning to live with uncertainty
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7:32 - 7:35means walking forward into a life
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7:35 - 7:39that is as full of beauty
as it is of challenges. -
7:40 - 7:45It means learning for yourself
that cancer is just part of your story. -
7:45 - 7:47It may not be the worst thing
that happens to you, -
7:47 - 7:49and if it is, that's OK.
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7:49 - 7:52You can claim that, and you can own that,
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7:52 - 7:56but let that be a narrative
that you author and you authorize, -
7:56 - 7:59not one that's prescribed to you
by someone else. -
7:59 - 8:03Have your deferral letter in hand,
but use it on your terms. -
8:04 - 8:07As I come to the end
of my oncology training, -
8:07 - 8:11I have déjà vu again and again
with the following scenario: -
8:11 - 8:13A patient has cancer.
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8:13 - 8:14There are several options,
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8:14 - 8:20all of which offer a different balance
between cure and quality of life, -
8:20 - 8:24between the possibility
of alleviating suffering -
8:24 - 8:27and the possibility of causing suffering.
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8:27 - 8:29An oncologist lays out the options,
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8:29 - 8:33but, somewhere in the discussion,
things get skewed. -
8:33 - 8:35The choice becomes something more like,
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8:35 - 8:38"Well, you could choose to do something,
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8:38 - 8:41or you could choose to do nothing.
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8:41 - 8:46We could be aggressive,
and treat your cancer, -
8:46 - 8:47or we could watch it."
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8:48 - 8:50And 9.9 times out of 10, the patient says,
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8:50 - 8:54"I want to do everything I can do."
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8:55 - 8:56Of course.
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8:56 - 9:00Who wouldn't want everything?
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9:00 - 9:02But what is everything?
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9:03 - 9:08Is everything the ability to sit
in your own home in front of your window -
9:08 - 9:12bathed in sunshine
and surrounded by family? -
9:12 - 9:16Is everything still being able
to feel your fingers and your toes, -
9:16 - 9:19because they haven't gone numb
from chemotherapy? -
9:20 - 9:24As oncologists, our everything
is cancer treatment. -
9:25 - 9:30It's radiation and surgery
and chemotherapy and novel treatments. -
9:30 - 9:32And for us, the worst thing
that could happen -- -
9:32 - 9:35and I have heard more than one
oncologist say this -- -
9:35 - 9:37the worst thing that could happen
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9:37 - 9:40is that the patient
will develop metastatic disease. -
9:40 - 9:43Or, the worst thing that could happen
is that five years from now, -
9:43 - 9:46the cancer will grow,
and I'll have to give more radiation. -
9:47 - 9:50As a patient and as an oncologist,
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9:50 - 9:54I would never argue that these
are not devastating outcomes. -
9:54 - 9:56But are they the worst?
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9:56 - 9:59Should cancer control
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9:59 - 10:02be at the center of our thinking, always?
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10:04 - 10:11Many unspeakably, unfathomably painful
and brutal things have happened to me -
10:11 - 10:14because of my cancers
and my genetic mutation. -
10:15 - 10:19And yet, I consider myself
very lucky indeed, -
10:19 - 10:22because the worst thing
that could happen never came to pass; -
10:23 - 10:28because I have let devastation
and uncertainty sit at the table, -
10:28 - 10:31but somewhere off to the side.
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10:31 - 10:33When I was diagnosed
with metastatic breast cancer, -
10:33 - 10:38I went to Boston for a second opinion,
because what could I lose? -
10:38 - 10:41When my oncologist gave me
very good and very safe -
10:41 - 10:42and very standard advice,
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10:42 - 10:44I started medical school anyway,
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10:44 - 10:47even though I was undergoing
active cancer treatment. -
10:48 - 10:51Instead of shying away
from patients with cancer, -
10:51 - 10:54I became a radiation oncologist,
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10:54 - 10:56and I work with patients
who are very much like me -
10:56 - 10:58every single day.
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10:58 - 11:04Instead of imagining the suffering
that I might cause to a future partner -
11:04 - 11:06when I died of cancer,
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11:06 - 11:09I married my wonderful husband.
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11:09 - 11:11Because the worst thing that can happen
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11:11 - 11:15is always a series of negatives.
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11:15 - 11:17It's blank spaces
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11:17 - 11:19that should be filled with life.
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11:20 - 11:26So what is the most that I have leaned in
to this kind of radical uncertainty? -
11:28 - 11:31Well, this is William.
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11:32 - 11:38He is the most joyful person
that I have ever met, -
11:39 - 11:44and in just over a year, he has already
made the world a better place. -
11:46 - 11:50As oncologists, we talk to our patients
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11:50 - 11:52as if the worst thing that could happen
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11:52 - 11:54is that their cancer could come back,
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11:55 - 11:58or that it could spread,
or that they could die from it. -
11:58 - 12:01As a patient, I know
that these are paramount. -
12:01 - 12:04But I want to change the way
that we think about this, -
12:04 - 12:08and I want to change the way
that we talk about this with our patients. -
12:08 - 12:10As a patient,
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12:10 - 12:15the worst thing that can happen
is that cancer robs you of opportunity, -
12:15 - 12:17of the ability to be
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12:17 - 12:18and to do
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12:18 - 12:19and to love.
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12:20 - 12:22And it will.
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12:22 - 12:24At least temporarily it will.
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12:25 - 12:28But to minimize this loss
of life in the living, -
12:28 - 12:34that is the harder, and I would say,
truer job of the oncologist: -
12:34 - 12:39to take all the tools that we have
and situate them in the context -
12:39 - 12:41of a patient's whole entire life;
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12:41 - 12:46to be guides for how
to sit with suffering, -
12:46 - 12:48acknowledge it deeply,
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12:48 - 12:53but to not let fear of future suffering
be the narrative for the journey forward. -
12:54 - 12:59One of my mentors always says
the medicine part is easy. -
13:00 - 13:03And it never feels that way
to a junior doctor, -
13:04 - 13:06but its contours are finite.
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13:07 - 13:13We have big studies to guide us,
and it's what we learn to do in residency. -
13:14 - 13:21Much harder is learning how to help
each patient navigate the multitudes -
13:21 - 13:23contained in their illness.
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13:25 - 13:30So I find it really funny
that, in retrospect, -
13:30 - 13:32my life looks like a neat package.
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13:33 - 13:37It looks as if I planned
each successive step -
13:37 - 13:42and that perhaps cancer
has led to the good things in my life. -
13:42 - 13:46Step one: apply to medical school.
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13:46 - 13:49Step two: get diagnosed with
and treated for cancer. -
13:49 - 13:52And step three: have it all,
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13:52 - 13:54a career and a family.
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13:55 - 13:57But I will tell you
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13:58 - 14:03that each phase was a leap of faith
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14:03 - 14:07despite an almost paralyzing uncertainty.
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14:08 - 14:10And so it's that courage
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14:10 - 14:13that I try to give to each of my patients.
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14:13 - 14:18I try to do this regardless
of the technical medical details -
14:18 - 14:20of cancers and treatment decisions
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14:20 - 14:21and mutations,
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14:21 - 14:24regardless of the slippery fiction
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14:24 - 14:26of prognosis.
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14:27 - 14:29I try to learn what they want
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14:30 - 14:31and what they need,
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14:31 - 14:35what they wish and what they worry,
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14:36 - 14:39what they dream about,
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14:40 - 14:43what animated them before
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14:43 - 14:50and what will sustain them during
the beastly process of cancer treatment. -
14:51 - 14:55It doesn't actually take that much time.
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14:56 - 15:00It does take a few focused, quiet moments
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15:00 - 15:04that require intentional cultivation.
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15:05 - 15:07But this is partnership,
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15:08 - 15:10and it matters,
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15:12 - 15:15because the worst thing that can happen
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15:15 - 15:21is to have an oncologist
who does everything -- everything -- -
15:21 - 15:24to help cure your cancer
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15:24 - 15:26and who does nothing
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15:26 - 15:29to help you live your life.
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15:31 - 15:32Thank you.
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15:32 - 15:36(Applause)
- Title:
- The courage to live with radical uncertainty
- Speaker:
- Shekinah Elmore
- Description:
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When your future is uncertain, how do you keep moving forward? In this courageous talk, oncologist and cancer survivor Shekinah Elmore shares how she embraced life after a rare genetic diagnosis -- and explains why she believes doctors have a duty to help their patients learn to live with radical uncertainty.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 15:53
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