EduPsych Theory for Python Hackers: A Whirlwind Overview
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0:06 - 0:12NAOMI: Welcome. This will be EduPsych Theory for Python Hackers.
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0:12 - 0:14This is a half-hour talk by Mel Chua,
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0:14 - 0:19we're going to try to have about five to eight minutes at the end for questions.
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0:19 - 0:27Ok. Mel Chua!
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0:27 - 0:30MEL: Hi. Hi, everyone.
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0:30 - 0:33So, welcome to EduPsych Theory for Python Hackers.
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0:33 - 0:37This is a very laptops-encouraged talk. The slides are on the web
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0:37 - 0:43and there'll be a lot of points where I'll say "It's Wikipedia time!" if you want to look up something up or follow a resource down,
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0:43 - 0:52because what I'm about to do is try to cram about 2 years of graduate school education classes into approximately 20 minutes.
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0:52 - 0:58So there's going to be a lot that we cover very very quickly and there's going to be a lot that we don't cover but I'll go "there's a link!"
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0:58 - 1:10So, my name is Mel, and in between bouts of academia I've been spending a lot of time wandering around sort of the hacking world,
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1:10 - 1:16the coding world, the open source world, the Python world. And the reason I went back to academia was because there was a bug I wanted to fix,
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1:16 - 1:26it was classrooms looked like that and not like this, and not like the sorts of really cool hacking, messing-around-with-things communities we all know and love.
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1:26 - 1:33And there's this giant cultural gulf between the academic world and the world we know here.
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1:33 - 1:45And my belief is that you folks here at PyCon are doing it right. So, in particular -- so one example, like test-driven development.
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1:45 - 1:54Many of us would probably be familiar with this, that's a doctest for a function that returns a factorial of a number, and there's a test for it,
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1:54 - 2:00and I was taught when I started programming that when you're writing code, you figure out what you want the code to do first,
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2:00 - 2:07then write a test to make sure that the code you're going to write is performing the function you want it to perform, then you write the code.
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2:07 - 2:13And when you design curriculum, you should do exactly the same thing.
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2:13 - 2:21So a lot of people make the mistake of starting with the pedagogy phase. As in "that would be a really cool activity to do with students."
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2:21 - 2:29So, pause, step back -- first figure out the content, the objectives you want.
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2:29 - 2:34Then write the test. How will you assess that students are able to achieve the objectives you want.
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2:34 - 2:38Then figure out the pedagogy of what activity you want them to do to get there.
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2:38 - 2:43Understanding By Design is a lovely book if you want to learn a bit more about that approach.
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2:43 - 2:48And if you're trying to figure out well, well, what's this content thing --
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2:48 - 2:54Bloom's Taxonomy is a handy-dandy list of words that you can use. It goes up in a hierarchy.
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2:54 - 2:58Do you want students to memorize and remember things? Which is very easily dismissed,
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2:58 - 3:02and sometimes it's not a bad thing because there are only so many times you can say
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3:02 - 3:08"the square brackets are lists, the curly ones are dictionaries" over and over again before you just want them to know it. D
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3:08 - 3:14o you want them to be able to apply things in a step-by-step tutorial following instructions?
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3:14 - 3:20Do you want them to be able to evaluate, like "here's two approaches, which one do you think is better? Why?"
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3:20 - 3:29Do you want them to be able to create things? And the thing about the taxonomy is the stuff at the top, we usually think of as "better" --
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3:29 - 3:32it's not necessarily "better." It takes more time.
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3:32 - 3:36It's really hard to do the things at the top unless you've done some things at the bottom first.
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3:36 - 3:40So, back to the whole cultural gulf between these two...
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3:40 - 3:47One of the things that again, as Pythonistas, you already know is the world is socially constructed.
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3:47 - 3:51And some people in school have a very hard time understanding this.
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3:51 - 3:52But we already know that, because --
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3:52 - 3:58well, why is the Python language the way it is? It's not because some higher power from above ordained it --
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3:58 - 4:00well, uh, it kind of is [laughter]
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4:00 - 4:02but they're called maintainers, and they're humans!
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4:02 - 4:04And we can see them talking on the mailing lists!
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4:04 - 4:05And you can see their commit messages!
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4:05 - 4:07And you can see them going back and forth!
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4:07 - 4:16And so we have this idea that the world is just as hackable as our technologies are. And that's a very, very powerful viewpoint to have.
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4:16 - 4:20So. So here's the thing.
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4:20 - 4:26We need to come up with some sort of translation between the two worlds, because what happened when I went back to graduate school
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4:26 - 4:33and I started teaching again, and I was talking about "oh my gosh, we're all in these communities of makers and the open source world and the Python community
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4:33 - 4:38and we're learning and it's fun and it's wonderful -- can I do this in my classroom, please?"
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4:38 - 4:45They went "well, well... what is it you do there?" and I went "uhhh... we... make things and it's fun,"
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4:45 - 4:47they're like "oh, you're just playing..."
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4:47 - 4:53And so I needed to find ways to describe it in words they would understand. [laughter]
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4:53 - 4:58And, uh... yeah.
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4:58 - 5:02So, so let's go through some of this.
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5:02 - 5:07Accidental learning. It's a fancy word for "we didn't plan it ahead of time." [laughter] All right?
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5:07 - 5:14So say that you hang out in the IRC channel, people are talking, things are gonna come up, things you didn't expect to learn about that day.
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5:14 - 5:17And this is the kind of hap- kind of thing that happens in our world all the time.
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5:17 - 5:26You're in a conference, you're milling around, you meet people, so accidental learning or "authentic experiences" is another really useful phrase.
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5:26 - 5:30And communities of practice. Python is a community of practice.
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5:30 - 5:39Communities of Practice is another really big theoretical construct that a lot of education people use and it is within a domain, a community of people --
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5:39 - 5:45so we're in the domain of programming. We are a community of people who share the practice of programming in Python.
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5:45 - 5:52Within the domain of Python web frameworks, the Django community is a community that shares the practice of using the Django framework.
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5:52 - 5:56And so if you think of a community of practice, it's actually a learning entity,
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5:56 - 6:02and cognitive apprenticeship is how learning happens inside communities of practice.
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6:02 - 6:10And if you think about a shop floor, how like a traditional handcraft like wood, woodworking, or delivering babies, or what have you,
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6:10 - 6:14as an apprentice you see two different pathways.
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6:14 - 6:24One is that you see the pathway from raw product to finish product. But you also see the pathway from new apprentice to master.
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6:24 - 6:29And it's not just one pathway, it's I see the more experienced apprentices ahead of me,
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6:29 - 6:36I see the journeymen ahead of them, and I don't just see one master, I see 50, I see 20, I see a thousand masters,
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6:36 - 6:42so I get the idea that there are many different kinds of mastery and many different kinds of people, it's not a linear route I'm on,
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6:42 - 6:48it's not "I'm comparing myself to him or her," but it's "what kind of master will I become?
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6:48 - 6:52What does it mean for me to have mastery in this domain?"
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6:52 - 7:00And the modeling, coaching, scaffolding, and fading -- because these communities of practice and these sort of apprentice shops are in our head,
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7:00 - 7:08when we're programming, it's not like you can see, like, you know, bugfixing in your brain is not quite as visible as let me saw this drawer in this wood.
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7:08 - 7:15And so modeling, coaching, scaffolding, and fading are four things that, as people we teach, we can think about.
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7:15 - 7:19So modeling is doing the task yourself so the learner can see it,
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7:19 - 7:25coaching is standing on the sidelines and giving them realtime feedback as they're attempting that task themselves.
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7:25 - 7:32Scaffolding is designing a task so that they take on a little bit and then successively more.
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7:32 - 7:40So for instance, the first time someone is running a program and it crashes, you might model "this is how you submit a bug report."
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7:40 - 7:43The next time, you might scaffold that a little bit.
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7:43 - 7:49You open up bugzilla and then say "you watched me type the subject line before, why don't you come up with a subject line now?
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7:49 - 7:53All right, now that you've come up with a subject line, let's type the body together."
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7:53 - 7:55And over time you give them more and more responsibility.
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7:55 - 8:00And after that you start to fade slowly until they're doing the entire task on their own.
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8:00 - 8:10And that link at the bottom if you want to learn more way more about cognitive apprenticeship is a paper I wrote on cognitive apprenticeship case studies in open source communities.
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8:10 - 8:16So what happens when you go through a cognitive apprenticeship is you progress from novice to expert.
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8:16 - 8:21And the Dreyfus Model of Skill Acquisition is a framework you can use to think about that progression.
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8:21 - 8:27And the insight here that the Dreyfus brothers have was not that people progress from novice to expert, which is kind of obvious, but --
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8:27 - 8:37uh, perhaps equally obvious -- is that when you are at any given state, it's very hard to tell and remember what the other stages are like.
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8:37 - 8:42So if you are an advanced beginner, you've kinda forgotten what it's like to be a novice,
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8:42 - 8:45and you have no idea what it's like to be proficient, or an expert.
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8:45 - 8:49And so what that means is that the world looks very different to very different types of people.
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8:49 - 8:57So for instance, if you are proficient or an expert or, you know, pretty comfortable with Python, working in communities remotely,
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8:57 - 9:01an IRC channel might look like a place where you might get help faster, right?
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9:01 - 9:09Find tasks faster -- these are all happy, happy tools for us. Alright?
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9:09 - 9:17And we see them as things that can bring, like, the little green people on the outskirts into the little purple people on the inside of our community.
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9:17 - 9:19Oh man. It'll be wonderful!
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9:19 - 9:24And, um, but the green people on the outskirts don't necessarily see it that way, right?
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9:24 - 9:28They might think this. "We will not talk to you until you use this strange new tool.
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9:28 - 9:31Stop asking me what to do and go away.
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9:31 - 9:35To a corner no one has touched for months." [laughter]
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9:35 - 9:41And that's not really the impression we're trying to give them.
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9:41 - 9:43But why do they think that?
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9:43 - 9:45So: Piaget.
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9:45 - 9:52One of the reason why -- this talk alone, if you can not read Piaget and get this,
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9:52 - 9:57it's worth it because I had to read the original translations from the French, and ugh.
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9:57 - 10:01So, Piaget has two ideas -- well, he has a lot more ideas,
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10:01 - 10:05but the two I'm going to talk about here are assimilation and accomodation.
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10:05 - 10:10Uh, assimilation is when you can add new information to the mental schemas you already have,
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10:10 - 10:15and accommodation is when you have enough data that doesn't really kinda fit that you've got to refactor it,
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10:15 - 10:18and we have a really great example over here.
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10:18 - 10:20[laughter]
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10:20 - 10:21Right?
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10:21 - 10:22And so let's think about that, right?
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10:22 - 10:30There are some people that, even as Python 3 was out, kept on using Python 2.5, 6, 7... and so you had two parallel streams.
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10:30 - 10:38And so you have students -- some of them are going to keep on wanting to think the same way they've been thinking, until it really, really, really, really no longer works,
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10:38 - 10:46and others are going to be early adopters, and telling them that is a switch that they're making in paradigms is something you can do
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10:46 - 10:49to make it more conscious that that's the process that they're going through.
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10:49 - 10:56And -- but, you know, back to that earlier image, right, to see things the wrong way can actually scare people, right?
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10:56 - 11:05And the Dreyfus model talks about what, uh, context, what, what are novices missing? Novices are missing context.
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11:05 - 11:09If you are just beginning to learn how to cook, you really want a cookbook that says
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11:09 - 11:13"this is a chicken. A chicken is a bird. [laughter]
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11:13 - 11:16This is what you do with it. Turn on the oven. [laughter]"
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11:16 - 11:23And on the other hand if you're an experiened chef, you can go and you compete in Iron chef, and they say "SARDINES!"
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11:23 - 11:29and you go "oh, wow!" [laughter] Because you have the context of how to improvise in that world.
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11:29 - 11:38And so the resources that work for an expert or someone higher up in the Dreyfus scale -- acquisition scale -- aren't going to work for a novice.
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11:38 - 11:44And so that's another thing. Looking at where your students are, what they need, where they feel they are,
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11:44 - 11:49and how much context they can handle so you can scaffold them appropriately.
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11:49 - 11:57So -- quick bit. Assessment -- because I was thinking about food, and formative versus summative assessment is a good aside to put in here.
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11:57 - 12:02Formative assessment is like tasting food as you're cooking it to make sure it's going to turn out okay.
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12:02 - 12:06Summative assessment is tasting the food at the end once you've served it and it's done.
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12:06 - 12:12Summative assessment is the kind of assessment that usually happens in schools; you get a grade at the end of the semester.
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12:12 - 12:16Formative assessment is the kind of assessment that happens in here.
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12:16 - 12:20You have conversations on things on your blog, you get people's feedback, you review their code,
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12:20 - 12:27and so when you talk to educators and they say "well, how are you going to assess your students?"
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12:27 - 12:30and the answer is "well, I don't, I don't wanna grade them," you can say
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12:30 - 12:40well, well, they have many opportunities for informal formative assessment with experienced members of the community, and it'll sound good.
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12:40 - 12:50So, back to Dreyfus. One of the things that that dispels is the myth that you can't contribute until you're "good enough." Right.
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12:50 - 12:55There are still things that novices can do if they are scaffolded appropriately.
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12:55 - 13:01And two things that can help you think about that is -- in a cognitive apprenticeship within a community of practice
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13:01 - 13:08there's the idea of the zone of proximal development and the idea of legitimate peripheral participation. And they're related.
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13:08 - 13:13So, proximal development is -- so here's the things I can already do.
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13:13 - 13:21And then are the things on the other end that I can never do no matter how much help I get -- at this point in time.
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13:21 - 13:27And in the middle of that, there's the stuff that I can do if and only if someone else helps me.
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13:27 - 13:29That is the zone of proximal development.
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13:29 - 13:34And so -- bike riding, it's when you're at that stage where you can kinda wobble on the bike if your,
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13:34 - 13:37if your brother is hanging on to keep you hanging.
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13:37 - 13:41So what's the equivalent in the Python community?
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13:41 - 13:43It might look like pair programming, it might look like code review,
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13:43 - 13:49it might look like any sort of interaction between experienced people and less experienced people.
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13:49 - 13:55And one of the cool things about the zone of proximal development is that you don't need experienced versus less experienced --
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13:55 - 13:59peers can create zones of proximal development for each other.
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13:59 - 14:05But it's the enablement that an extra person beside you or with you online creates.
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14:05 - 14:14Legitimate peripheral partipation is what -- the means for allowing people to contribute without being the core already.
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14:14 - 14:22So there are mission critical tasks, and, you know, these things that nobody really cares about.
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14:22 - 14:26And legitimate peripheral participation opportunities come with the jobs that --
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14:26 - 14:31it would be really, really cool if we could do this, but none of the core people have time for.
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14:31 - 14:36And so that's a lot of where Google Summer of Code projects sorta fall into that category,
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14:36 - 14:40a lot of good projects for students in classes fall into that category,
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14:40 - 14:48if you have things that your core community would love to see fixed, so they'll actually help people who are coming in to fix it,
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14:48 - 14:53but they're not so vital that if they don't fix it the build gets delayed
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14:53 - 14:56because this one student couldn't figure out how to write the code --
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14:56 - 14:59that's a great opportunity.
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14:59 - 15:03And -- now, switching gears for a bit,
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15:03 - 15:06going back to that first example of test-driven development,
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15:06 - 15:11this is also a good example of behaviorist thinking.
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15:11 - 15:14The fact that, you know, we've got that little function that says
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15:14 - 15:17[robotic voice] we will test these students, they will produce an output,
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15:17 - 15:22it will tell us the true and accurate mentality of how much they know --
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15:22 - 15:24[normal voice] That is a fair assumption to make,
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15:24 - 15:27but it's an assumption you should know you're making.
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15:27 - 15:31And so what I'm going to do, uh, for, for the grand finale of this --
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15:31 - 15:34well, semi-grand finale of this --
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15:34 - 15:38is to go through 50 years of cognitive paradigms in teaching and learning very, very quickly,
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15:38 - 15:44and if you want the less-abridged version, um, there are resources there. So.
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15:44 - 15:51This is 50 years of educational psychology history on one page.
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15:51 - 15:56In the beginning there was behaviorism, which is the carrot-and-stick stimulus-response thinking, all right?
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15:56 - 16:02You have a student, they're a black box, you poke at them, there's an output, it will be the correct answer!
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16:02 - 16:05We hope. If not, we'll poke at them more and kinda beat them with a stick
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16:05 - 16:09and wave a little carrot in front of them, and they'll give the correct answer!
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16:09 - 16:14And sometimes we go "ah, behaviorism is bad, it's outmoded and outdated"
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16:14 - 16:16-- but it's really useful.
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16:16 - 16:21For instance. The Boston Python Workshop uses CodingBat to teach stuff.
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16:21 - 16:26Anytime we talk about automating learning, automating experience, we're taking a behaviorist mentality, alright?
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16:26 - 16:30So we say, write this code, type it in, press the button,
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16:30 - 16:32did you get the right answer, yes/no.
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16:32 - 16:35So it's not an evil thing, it's a very, very useful tool,
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16:35 - 16:41but it's something to be conscious of.
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16:41 - 16:46Then there are people who went "well, the behaviorists think that inside the brain's a black box,
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16:46 - 16:50but what goes inside there is actually important."
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16:50 - 16:52And so how do we structure material?
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16:52 - 16:53How do we store it in our memory?
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16:53 - 16:56How do we organize things so they're easier for people to learn?
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16:56 - 17:00And a really good example of that is actually you folks.
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17:00 - 17:04Why do so many people like programming in Python, as opposed to other languages?
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17:04 - 17:07It fits in your brain pretty nicely.
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17:07 - 17:09You can read the code, it makes sense, as opposed to --
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17:09 - 17:12I had to program in assembly back in the day and that --
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17:12 - 17:15it didn't fit in my brain quite so well.
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17:15 - 17:19And so using Python is already using cognitive schemas
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17:19 - 17:25and working with people who value the use of good cognitive schemas.
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17:25 - 17:28Then we move into the situative domain, people were like
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17:28 - 17:31"alright, stuff is happening in your cranium, you're responding to input...
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17:31 - 17:33but really, this stuff happens in a community.
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17:33 - 17:35Learning happens in a context.
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17:35 - 17:39Knowledge only really makes sense if other people know it too, and validate it."
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17:39 - 17:43And that's a lot of what we were talking about with the cognitive apprenticeship earlier.
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17:43 - 17:47But another good example of that is Sugar Labs.
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17:47 - 17:54So this is a learning environment for kids, written in Python, where they can, um, play,
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17:54 - 17:59play with different games for learning, but one of the cool things is --
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17:59 - 18:02we were talking about modeling, coaching, scaffolding, and fading --
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18:02 - 18:05that's also built into the design of the activity. So you can play the game,
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18:05 - 18:10and at another level you can click on the little gear thing and make your own abacus,
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18:10 - 18:15and on another level you can click on another button and see the Python code and work on it,
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18:15 - 18:19and so there's different levels of scaffolding and you can see the work of multiple people
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18:19 - 18:22and share your code with others and that's getting out of the
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18:22 - 18:25"I'm a person on my computer working alone" and into the
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18:25 - 18:28"I'm a person working in a broader community connecting with other people"
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18:28 - 18:32socially constructing a world with them.
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18:32 - 18:40So, in a parallel thread to that timeline of behaviorist, um,
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18:40 - 18:44cognitive thinking, and, um, situated learning,
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18:44 - 18:48was the ideas of different theories of motivation. A
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18:48 - 18:50nd I'm going to go through a few of them really quickly.
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18:50 - 18:56One of them is self-efficacy, which is the idea of how much you believe you can do this.
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18:56 - 19:01And that is, in rank order, the things they found affected self-efficacy the most.
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19:01 - 19:06If you care about making people believe they can do things, this is the list you want to pay attention to.
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19:06 - 19:11So the most impactful thing is doing it, because if you did it before you can probably do it again.
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19:11 - 19:15The second one is seeing people do it -- people that look like you.
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19:15 - 19:20The converse of that is if you see people that look like you fail at it, then you start thinking "maybe I can't do it either."
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19:20 - 19:24And the third one, social persuasion, is other people coming up and saying
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19:24 - 19:27"you can do this, you can try this, you should come, you should come to this talk,
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19:27 - 19:29you should go to this tutorial, you should give another talk."
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19:29 - 19:33And the interesting thing is that those three things override your physical body,
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19:33 - 19:38so if you have butterflies in your stomach, and you're really scared about hitting the Enter key,
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19:38 - 19:40but the people beside you are going "yeah, you can do this!"
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19:40 - 19:42and you're watching people around you succeeding,
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19:42 - 19:47then you're really likely to believe you can you can take that leap.
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19:47 - 19:50Attribution theory -- another thing.
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19:50 - 19:55Do you walk into the room thinking that "my talent in coding is innate,"
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19:55 - 19:59or do you walk into the room thinking "it's a muscle, if I exercise it, I'll get better,
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19:59 - 20:02and if people are really good, they're good because they work really hard."?
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20:02 - 20:05And so what attitude do your students come into the room with,
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20:05 - 20:10and what attitude as a teacher do you project?
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20:10 - 20:12And this is a really good example here,
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20:12 - 20:16because I think people who come to things like PyCon are coming because they want to learn things,
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20:16 - 20:19because they know that it's not a magical talent we're born with,
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20:19 - 20:26we gain those through exposure and working with others that are interested.
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20:26 - 20:30Then there's motivation,
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20:30 - 20:33and moving from amotivaton, which is "I don't care," to
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20:33 - 20:35"other people make me do it,"
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20:35 - 20:38"I do it because it's good for me and it'll help me get a good job,"
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20:38 - 20:40into "this is really really cool" --
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20:40 - 20:43which is, for the most part where we want people to end up --
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20:43 - 20:48can be influenced by making, increasing autonomy, relatedness, and competence.
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20:48 - 20:52So, autonomy is the freedom you have to decide what you're gonna do.
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20:52 - 20:56Relatedness is how close your project is to someting I already care about,
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20:56 - 20:59and competence is self-efficacy we talked about earlier.
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20:59 - 21:01How good do I think I am at doing it,
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21:01 - 21:03not how good I am at it really,
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21:03 - 21:06but how good do I think I am.
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21:06 - 21:13So if you want to increase the stuff on the left, turn the sliders up for the stuff on the right.
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21:13 - 21:23And so now with that, this, this paragraph should now start making a little bit more sense.
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21:23 - 21:29So... why do I do this? Why am I talking about these kinds of things?
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21:29 - 21:33And the thing is, because we can only see a little bit of the world.
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21:33 - 21:36We can only see a little bit of what students do and what they think.
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21:36 - 21:41And as teachers we have a lot of privilege.
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21:41 - 21:44And we don't necessarily see what our students are assuming about themselves,
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21:44 - 21:47or about why things may not be working for them yet.
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21:47 - 21:49We tend to teach the way we learn. A
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21:49 - 21:54nd so sometimes we think "oh, well, the way I teach is the way it should be taught,"
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21:54 - 22:00or maybe "the way I teach is better than the way they teach in school, but clearly it's the way it should be taught."
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22:00 - 22:02And that's just not necessarily true.
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22:02 - 22:06For your students, the first couple steps do not feel like progress.
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22:06 - 22:09You're guarding their thoughts, you're scared, and you might be quiet,
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22:09 - 22:13but underneath the silence, stuff is happening inside.
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22:13 - 22:16Reason is stirring in the background.
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22:16 - 22:23And it's very important that confirmation that you belong to a community starts when you begin to try
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22:25 - 22:28Once you take the first step, you already belong.
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22:28 - 22:35And that's all I had. Time for questions?
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22:43 - 22:49NAOMI: Ok. If you have questions, we've got a microphone there and we've got a microphone here.
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22:49 - 22:52AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yeah, um, can you go back a few slides? I missed the quote.
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22:52 - 23:01MEL: Um, this one? Ok.
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23:01 - 23:05AUDIENCE MEMBER: Um, yeah. First, I want to thank you, that was -- oh, go ahead.
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23:05 - 23:07MEL: No, go ahead.
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23:07 - 23:09AUDIENCE MEMBER: So I want to thank you, that was really interesting
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23:09 - 23:12and not at all what I thought I would be learning when I came to PyCon
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23:12 - 23:14so it was an accidental learning opportunity.
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23:14 - 23:16[laughter]
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23:16 - 23:24And then, um, could you recommend a book that we could...
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23:24 - 23:25MEL: Come again?
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23:25 - 23:28AUDIENCE MEMBER: Could you recommend a book, that, on this topic?
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23:28 - 23:32Like, some kind of [indistinguishable] book?
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23:32 - 23:35MEL: On which topic?
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23:35 - 23:41AUDIENCE MEMBER: On educational psychology, it's an interesting field which I know nothing about except, um, this [laughter]
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23:41 - 23:45and it sounds quite big but I don't want to go to graduate school either.
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23:47 - 23:52MEL: Ah. So, uh, if I could only recommend one book, I would...
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23:52 - 23:55um, I believe it's called "Theories of Development" by Crain,
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23:55 - 23:57C-R-A-I-N,
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23:57 - 24:00and I can write that down for you afterwards if you'd like.
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24:00 - 24:04And what that is, is a snapshot of individual researchers that have developed --
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24:04 - 24:08so Bandura's in there, Dweck is in there, a couple of the things we went through are in there,
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24:08 - 24:13and it gives 5-page summaries of all the very complicated papers.
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24:13 - 24:18And it's lovely.
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24:18 - 24:24NAOMI: Ok, another question.
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24:24 - 24:25AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thanks.
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24:25 - 24:26Thanks again for doing this talk.
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24:26 - 24:32I was just curious what are some of the next steps for you, what do you think,
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24:32 - 24:43do you think you can make engineering, this kind of teaching methodology based on our open source movement is really interesting.
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24:43 - 24:46MEL: Well, I'm interested in 2.5 things.
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24:46 - 24:48[laughter]
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24:48 - 24:50Well, one, one is --
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24:50 - 24:57so the reason I'm giving this talk is I'm assuming y'all are all people who do Python things and care about teaching,
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24:57 - 25:00and I wanted to try and give you some language to explain what you're doing,
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25:00 - 25:04to validate it in the world of professional schooling.
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25:04 - 25:07And to go and be able to say "this is a great thing to have your class do,
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25:07 - 25:10this is a great thing to have, you know, as part of the curriculum."
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25:10 - 25:15It's not something should be relegated to just after-school clubs that are just playing around,
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25:15 - 25:19because putting it into more mainstream schooling will give more people access to it
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25:19 - 25:25instead of just the people that have the resources in both time and equipment to play around with it on the side.
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25:25 - 25:27And so that's one of the things --
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25:27 - 25:35and so if you are interested in, um, trying to help explain the project that you're doing to educational institutions
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25:35 - 25:37I'd be really happy to help with that.
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25:37 - 25:39Another thing I'm interested in is going in the opposite direction,
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25:39 - 25:43working with teachers who are interested in working with folks like you.
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25:43 - 25:44And doing things in their classroom.
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25:44 - 25:48So Jeff and Steve up in the front row are brilliant examples.
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25:48 - 25:49I wish I could clone them.
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25:49 - 25:55Jeff is K-12 and Steve does college, and how do they move in the opposite direction
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25:55 - 25:58and get to know what it's like to work in these sorts of projects and communities.
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25:58 - 26:08And the point-five is that a number of people have been trying to bug me to write this up in longer form as a bidirectional translation for both sides
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26:08 - 26:11and I'm not sure if more than three people are actually interested in that
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26:11 - 26:18but that might be something to do once I finish up my classes next semester.
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26:18 - 26:22AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you.
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26:22 - 26:28AUDIENCE MEMBER: So if there was one thing that you could get the average computer science teacher
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26:28 - 26:34to change or stop doing or start doing, what would it be?
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26:34 - 26:48MEL: It would be... mm, looking up...
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26:48 - 26:51It would be working on the content.
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26:51 - 26:55A lot of teachers, their learning objectives are filled with "we have to hit standard XYZ,
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26:55 - 26:57and there's 20 learning objectives
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26:57 - 27:01and we have to get through all the chapters of the textbook" and...
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27:01 - 27:04where is it, there we go,
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27:04 - 27:07and so it's a very linear thing because you need to have a predefined outcome,
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27:07 - 27:12but loosening that up and changing things so that your goal is
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27:12 - 27:17"let me have students become confident wandering in an unknown world" --
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27:17 - 27:19being comfortable being, um,
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27:19 - 27:23"productively lost" is a phrase I like to use a lot.
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27:23 - 27:25Having them be comfortable being productively lost.
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27:25 - 27:29So even if they don't get specific bits of content or specific bits of material,
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27:29 - 27:32that they're comfortable moving around and improvising,
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27:32 - 27:36and that's the learning objective -- that's the one thing I'd like to see changed
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27:36 - 27:39but it's a huge, huge, huge change
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27:39 - 27:48and it's a very risky change for a lot of people, so it's a hard one.
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27:48 - 27:51NAOMI: Ok. Any more questions?
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27:51 - 27:52MEL: I think that's time.
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27:52 - 27:56NAOMI: Thank you very much.
- Title:
- EduPsych Theory for Python Hackers: A Whirlwind Overview
- Description:
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Mel Chua, PyCon 2013
I've taken two years of graduate courses in engineering education. I save you $50k in tuition and hundreds of hours of reading and give you the short version for Pythonistas who care about education and outreach. - Video Language:
- English
- Duration:
- 27:56
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