How prisons can help inmates live meaningful lives
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0:01 - 0:04We're seen as the organization that is
the bucket for failed social policy. -
0:04 - 0:08I can't define who comes to us or how long they stay.
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0:08 - 0:10We get the people for whom
nothing else has worked, -
0:10 - 0:11people who have fallen through all
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0:11 - 0:13of the other social safety nets.
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0:13 - 0:16They can't contain them, so we must.
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0:16 - 0:17That's our job:
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0:17 - 0:20contain them, control them.
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0:20 - 0:23Over the years, as a prison system,
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0:23 - 0:24as a nation, and as a society,
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0:24 - 0:26we've become very good at that,
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0:26 - 0:28but that shouldn't make you happy.
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0:28 - 0:30Today we incarcerate more people per capita
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0:30 - 0:32than any other country in the world.
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0:32 - 0:34We have more black men in prison today
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0:34 - 0:36than were under slavery in 1850.
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0:36 - 0:38We house the parents of almost three million
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0:38 - 0:40of our community's children,
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0:40 - 0:42and we've become the new asylum,
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0:42 - 0:45the largest mental health provider in this nation.
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0:45 - 0:46When we lock someone up,
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0:46 - 0:48that is no small thing.
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0:48 - 0:51And yet, we are called the
Department of Corrections. -
0:51 - 0:53Today I want to talk about
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0:53 - 0:55changing the way we think about corrections.
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0:55 - 0:57I believe, and my experience tells me,
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0:57 - 0:58that when we change the way we think,
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0:58 - 1:01we create new possibilities, or futures,
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1:01 - 1:04and prisons need a different future.
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1:04 - 1:07I've spent my entire career
in corrections, over 30 years. -
1:07 - 1:09I followed my dad into this field.
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1:09 - 1:12He was a Vietnam veteran. Corrections suited him.
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1:12 - 1:15He was strong, steady, disciplined.
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1:15 - 1:16I was not so much any of those things,
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1:16 - 1:19and I'm sure that worried him about me.
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1:19 - 1:22Eventually I decided, if I was
going to end up in prison, -
1:22 - 1:23I'd better end up on the right side of the bars,
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1:23 - 1:25so I thought I'd check it out,
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1:25 - 1:27take a tour of the place my dad worked,
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1:27 - 1:29the McNeil Island Penitentiary.
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1:29 - 1:31Now this was the early '80s,
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1:31 - 1:32and prisons weren't quite what you see
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1:32 - 1:34on TV or in the movies.
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1:34 - 1:37In many ways, it was worse.
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1:37 - 1:39I walked into a cell house that was five tiers high.
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1:39 - 1:41There were eight men to a cell.
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1:41 - 1:43there were 550 men in that living unit.
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1:43 - 1:45And just in case you wondered,
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1:45 - 1:48they shared one toilet in those small confines.
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1:48 - 1:50An officer put a key in a lockbox,
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1:50 - 1:52and hundreds of men streamed out of their cells.
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1:52 - 1:54Hundreds of men streamed out of their cells.
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1:54 - 1:57I walked away as fast as I could.
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1:57 - 1:59Eventually I went back and
I started as an officer there. -
1:59 - 2:01My job was to run one of those cell blocks
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2:01 - 2:04and to control those hundreds of men.
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2:04 - 2:06When I went to work at our receptions center,
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2:06 - 2:09I could actually hear the inmates
roiling from the parking lot, -
2:09 - 2:11shaking cell doors, yelling,
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2:11 - 2:13tearing up their cells.
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2:13 - 2:15Take hundreds of volatile people and lock them up,
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2:15 - 2:17and what you get is chaos.
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2:17 - 2:20Contain and control — that was our job.
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2:20 - 2:22One way we learned to do this more effectively
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2:22 - 2:23was a new type of housing unit
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2:23 - 2:26called the Intensive Management Unit, IMU,
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2:26 - 2:28a modern version of a "hole."
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2:28 - 2:31We put inmates in cells behind solid steel doors
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2:31 - 2:33with cuff ports so we could restrain them
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2:33 - 2:34and feed them.
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2:34 - 2:36Guess what?
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2:36 - 2:38It got quieter.
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2:38 - 2:40Disturbances died down in the general population.
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2:40 - 2:42Places became safer
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2:42 - 2:44because those inmates who
were most violent or disruptive -
2:44 - 2:46could now be isolated.
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2:46 - 2:48But isolation isn't good.
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2:48 - 2:50Deprive people of social
contact and they deteriorate. -
2:50 - 2:52It was hard getting them out of IMU,
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2:52 - 2:55for them and for us.
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2:55 - 2:57Even in prison, it's no small thing
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2:57 - 2:59to lock someone up.
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2:59 - 3:02My next assignment was to one
of the state's deep-end prisons -
3:02 - 3:05where some of our more violent
or disruptive inmates are housed. -
3:05 - 3:07By then, the industry had advanced a lot,
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3:07 - 3:09and we had different tools and techniques
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3:09 - 3:11to manage disruptive behavior.
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3:11 - 3:13We had beanbag guns and pepper spray
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3:13 - 3:15and plexiglass shields,
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3:15 - 3:17flash bangs, emergency response teams.
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3:17 - 3:19We met violence with force
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3:19 - 3:21and chaos with chaos.
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3:21 - 3:23We were pretty good at putting out fires.
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3:23 - 3:26While I was there, I met two
experienced correctional workers -
3:26 - 3:28who were also researchers,
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3:28 - 3:31an anthropologist and a sociologist.
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3:31 - 3:33One day, one of them commented to me and said,
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3:33 - 3:35"You know, you're pretty good at putting out fires.
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3:35 - 3:39Have you ever thought about how to prevent them?"
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3:39 - 3:41I was patient with them,
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3:41 - 3:42explaining our brute force approach
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3:42 - 3:44to making prisons safer.
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3:44 - 3:45They were patient with me.
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3:45 - 3:48Out of those conversations grew some new ideas
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3:48 - 3:49and we started some small experiments.
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3:49 - 3:52First, we started training our officers in teams
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3:52 - 3:55rather than sending them one or two
at a time to the state training academy. -
3:55 - 3:57Instead of four weeks of training, we gave them 10.
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3:57 - 4:00Then we experimented with an apprenticeship model
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4:00 - 4:03where we paired new staff with veteran staff.
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4:03 - 4:06They both got better at the work.
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4:06 - 4:08Second, we added verbal de-escalation skills
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4:08 - 4:10into the training continuum
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4:10 - 4:13and made it part of the use of force continuum.
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4:13 - 4:15It was the non-force use of force.
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4:15 - 4:17And then we did something even more radical.
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4:17 - 4:19We trained the inmates on those same skills.
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4:19 - 4:22We changed the skill set,
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4:22 - 4:25reducing violence, not just responding to it.
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4:25 - 4:28Third, when we expanded our facility,
we tried a new type of design. -
4:28 - 4:31Now the biggest and most controversial component
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4:31 - 4:34of this design, of course, was the toilet.
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4:34 - 4:36There were no toilets.
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4:36 - 4:39Now that might not sound
significant to you here today, -
4:39 - 4:40but at the time, it was huge.
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4:40 - 4:42No one had ever heard of a cell without a toilet.
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4:42 - 4:44We all thought it was dangerous and crazy.
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4:44 - 4:48Even eight men to a cell had a toilet.
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4:48 - 4:50That small detail changed the way we worked.
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4:50 - 4:52Inmates and staff started interacting
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4:52 - 4:55more often and openly and developing a rapport.
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4:55 - 4:57It was easier to detect conflict and intervene
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4:57 - 4:59before it escalated.
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4:59 - 5:02The unit was cleaner, quieter,
safer and more humane. -
5:02 - 5:04This was more effective at keeping the peace
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5:04 - 5:08than any intimidation technique I'd seen to that point.
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5:08 - 5:09Interacting changes the way you behave,
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5:09 - 5:11both for the officer and the inmate.
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5:11 - 5:15We changed the environment
and we changed the behavior. -
5:15 - 5:17Now, just in case I hadn't learned this lesson,
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5:17 - 5:19they assigned me to headquarters next,
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5:19 - 5:21and that's where I ran straight
up against system change. -
5:21 - 5:24Now, many things work against system change:
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5:24 - 5:26politics and politicians, bills and laws,
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5:26 - 5:29courts and lawsuits, internal politics.
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5:29 - 5:31System change is difficult and slow,
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5:31 - 5:33and oftentimes it doesn't take you
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5:33 - 5:34where you want to go.
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5:34 - 5:38It's no small thing to change a prison system.
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5:38 - 5:41So what I did do is I reflected
on my earlier experiences -
5:41 - 5:44and I remembered that when we interacted
with offenders, the heat went down. -
5:44 - 5:46When we changed the environment,
the behavior changed. -
5:46 - 5:48And these were not huge system changes.
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5:48 - 5:50These were small changes, and these changes
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5:50 - 5:52created new possibilities.
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5:52 - 5:55So next, I got reassigned as
superintendent of a small prison. -
5:55 - 5:57And at the same time, I was working on my degree
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5:57 - 5:59at the Evergreen State College.
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5:59 - 6:01I interacted with a lot of
people who were not like me, -
6:01 - 6:02people who had different ideas
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6:02 - 6:04and came from different backgrounds.
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6:04 - 6:07One of them was a rainforest ecologist.
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6:07 - 6:08She looked at my small prison and what she saw
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6:08 - 6:10was a laboratory.
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6:10 - 6:13We talked and discovered how prisons and inmates
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6:13 - 6:15could actually help advance science
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6:15 - 6:17by helping them complete projects
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6:17 - 6:19they couldn't complete on their own,
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6:19 - 6:21like repopulating endangered species:
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6:21 - 6:24frogs, butterflies, endangered prairie plants.
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6:24 - 6:25At the same time, we found ways to make
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6:25 - 6:27our operation more efficient
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6:27 - 6:29through the addition of solar power,
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6:29 - 6:33rainwater catchment, organic gardening, recycling.
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6:33 - 6:35This initiative has led to many projects
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6:35 - 6:37that have had huge system-wide impact,
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6:37 - 6:40not just in our system, but in
other state systems as well, -
6:40 - 6:42small experiments making a big difference
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6:42 - 6:45to science, to the community.
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6:45 - 6:49The way we think about our work changes our work.
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6:49 - 6:52The project just made my job
more interesting and exciting. -
6:52 - 6:54I was excited. Staff were excited.
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6:54 - 6:56Officers were excited. Inmates were excited.
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6:56 - 6:58They were inspired.
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6:58 - 6:59Everybody wanted to be part of this.
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6:59 - 7:01They were making a contribution, a difference,
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7:01 - 7:04one they thought was meaningful and important.
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7:04 - 7:06Let me be clear on what's going on here, though.
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7:06 - 7:07Inmates are highly adaptive.
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7:07 - 7:09They have to be.
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7:09 - 7:12Oftentimes, they know more about our own systems
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7:12 - 7:14than the people who run them.
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7:14 - 7:15And they're here for a reason.
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7:15 - 7:19I don't see my job as to punish them or forgive them,
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7:19 - 7:20but I do think they can have
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7:20 - 7:23decent and meaningful lives even in prison.
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7:23 - 7:24So that was the question:
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7:24 - 7:27Could inmates live decent and meaningful lives,
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7:27 - 7:31and if so, what difference would that make?
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7:31 - 7:34So I took that question back to the deep end,
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7:34 - 7:36where some of our most
violent offenders are housed. -
7:36 - 7:38Remember, IMUs are for punishment.
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7:38 - 7:40You don't get perks there, like programming.
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7:40 - 7:42That was how we thought.
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7:42 - 7:44But then we started to realize that if any inmates
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7:44 - 7:46needed programming, it
was these particular inmates. -
7:46 - 7:48In fact, they needed intensive programming.
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7:48 - 7:51So we changed our thinking 180 degrees,
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7:51 - 7:53and we started looking for new possibilities.
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7:53 - 7:56What we found was a new kind of chair.
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7:56 - 7:58Instead of using the chair for punishment,
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7:58 - 7:59we put it in classrooms.
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7:59 - 8:02Okay, we didn't forget our responsibility to control,
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8:02 - 8:05but now inmates could interact safely, face-to-face
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8:05 - 8:06with other inmates and staff,
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8:06 - 8:08and because control was no longer an issue,
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8:08 - 8:10everybody could focus on other things,
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8:10 - 8:13like learning. Behavior changed.
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8:13 - 8:18We changed our thinking, and we changed
what was possible, and this gives me hope. -
8:18 - 8:20Now, I can't tell you that any of this stuff will work.
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8:20 - 8:23What I can tell you, though, it is working.
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8:23 - 8:26Our prisons are getting safer
for both staff and inmates, -
8:26 - 8:28and when our prisons are safe,
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8:28 - 8:31we can put our energies into
a lot more than just controlling. -
8:31 - 8:33Reducing recidivism may be our ultimate goal,
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8:33 - 8:35but it's not our only goal.
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8:35 - 8:37To be honest with you, preventing crime
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8:37 - 8:39takes so much more from so many more people
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8:39 - 8:40and institutions.
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8:40 - 8:43If we rely on just prisons to reduce crime,
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8:43 - 8:45I'm afraid we'll never get there.
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8:45 - 8:47But prisons can do some things
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8:47 - 8:49we never thought they could do.
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8:49 - 8:51Prisons can be the source of innovation
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8:51 - 8:52and sustainability,
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8:52 - 8:56repopulating endangered species
and environmental restoration. -
8:56 - 8:58Inmates can be scientists and beekeepers,
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8:58 - 9:00dog rescuers.
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9:00 - 9:03Prisons can be the source of meaningful work
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9:03 - 9:05and opportunity for staff
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9:05 - 9:07and the inmates who live there.
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9:07 - 9:09We can contain and control
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9:09 - 9:11and provide humane environments.
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9:11 - 9:14These are not opposing qualities.
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9:14 - 9:16We can't wait 10 to 20 years to find out
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9:16 - 9:18if this is worth doing.
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9:18 - 9:20Our strategy is not massive system change.
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9:20 - 9:22Our strategy is hundreds of small changes
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9:22 - 9:26that take place in days or months, not years.
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9:26 - 9:29We need more small pilots where we learn as we go,
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9:29 - 9:32pilots that change the range of possibility.
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9:32 - 9:34We need new and better ways to measure impacts
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9:34 - 9:36on engagement, on interaction,
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9:36 - 9:38on safe environments.
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9:38 - 9:40We need more opportunities to participate in
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9:40 - 9:43and contribute to our communities,
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9:43 - 9:45your communities.
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9:45 - 9:48Prisons need to be secure, yes, safe, yes.
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9:48 - 9:49We can do that.
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9:49 - 9:51Prisons need to provide humane environments
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9:51 - 9:53where people can participate, contribute,
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9:53 - 9:55and learn meaningful lives.
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9:55 - 9:57We're learning how to do that.
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9:57 - 9:58That's why I'm hopeful.
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9:58 - 10:01We don't have to stay stuck
in old ideas about prison. -
10:01 - 10:03We can define that. We can create that.
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10:03 - 10:05And when we do that thoughtfully and with humanity,
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10:05 - 10:07prisons can be more than the bucket
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10:07 - 10:09for failed social policy.
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10:09 - 10:12Maybe finally, we will earn our title:
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10:12 - 10:14a department of corrections.
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10:14 - 10:16Thank you.
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10:16 - 10:19(Applause)
- Title:
- How prisons can help inmates live meaningful lives
- Speaker:
- Dan Pacholke
- Description:
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In the United States, the agencies that govern prisons are often called ‘Department of Corrections.’ And yet, their focus is on containing and controlling inmates. Dan Pacholke, Deputy Secretary for the Washington State Department of Corrections, shares a different vision: of prisons that provide humane living conditions as well as opportunities for meaningful work and learning.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDTalks
- Duration:
- 10:36
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