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Campus free speech realities and myths | Lee Rowland | TEDxUniversityofNevada

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    2017 was a hell of a year
    for the First Amendment.
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    Nowhere was more central
    to this culture war
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    than the campuses
    and universities across America,
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    including right here,
    at the University of Nevada, Reno.
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    Two UNR students became infamous
    for their speech in the past year,
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    found themselves embroiled in two
    of the biggest free speech controversies
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    of the past couple of years.
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    Student Peter Cytanovic
    became the face of white nationalism
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    when a picture of him snarling,
    holding a tiki torch
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    at the Unite the Right Rally
    in Charlottesville went viral.
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    On the complete opposite end
    of the political spectrum,
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    if you can call it that,
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    graduate Colin Kaepernick
    went on to the NFL
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    and used his position to highlight
    police brutality and racial injustice,
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    by taking a knee
    during the National Anthem.
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    Both men became incredibly
    controversial for their speech.
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    There were calls and campaigns for both
    men to be expelled for their opinions.
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    But regardless, whether you agree with one
    of them, or both of them, or neither,
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    the First Amendment protects
    both of those men and their opinions
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    from censorship and retaliation
    by the government.
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    That's a good thing,
    and I want to tell you why.
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    It's becoming more common for me to hear
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    that we should have
    lower protections for speech,
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    that specifically, we should
    criminalize hate speech.
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    I hear this from the left a lot.
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    I think a lot of progressives
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    envision a world where people
    like Colin Kaepernick
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    can take a knee
    and protest of racial injustice,
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    without fear of retaliation
    from the government,
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    without fear that the President
    will pressure the NFL to fire him.
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    But they also want to live in a world
    where a government school like UNR
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    can expel a student like Peter Cytanovic
    for his hateful views.
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    That is a fantasy.
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    And more than that, it's dangerous.
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    I'm a progressive,
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    it's not hard for me to pick between
    white nationalism and racial justice.
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    One is abhorrent, one is an overdue
    demand for equal rights.
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    But what would happen if I gave
    a government the right to decide
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    which of those men
    was too hateful to speak?
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    President Trump
    is a pretty useful barometer.
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    He called the marchers
    at Charlottesville "very fine people,"
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    while reserving his ire
    for black football players who take a knee
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    as "sons of bitches."
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    Your hate speech may not
    be the government's idea of hate speech.
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    I sure as hell know, it's not mine.
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    But even if you happen
    to agree with Trump,
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    can you be confident that
    the next President, the next government,
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    will agree with your world view?
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    You shouldn't be.
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    That's why, above all,
    I am an anti-authoritarian.
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    I know that the U.S. government
    has a long history
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    of wielding its raw power
    against the vulnerable communities
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    that speak truth to that power,
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    against those who seek
    to change the status quo.
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    And because I want every student
    to be able to take a knee
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    without fear of government censorship,
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    I am a true believer
    in the First Amendment.
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    But even as a First Amendment attorney,
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    I find a lot of the common tropes
    and myths about the First Amendment
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    really unsatisfying.
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    So, I wanna go through
    three of these myths, dust them off,
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    and hopefully in the process,
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    we'll come up with three practical rules
    for exercising your free speech rights,
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    powerfully and strategically.
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    So the first one is one I suspect
    we all learned in Kindergarten -
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    if you remember your nursery rhymes,
    please feel free to join me.
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    Sticks and stones may break my bones
    but words will never hurt me.
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    Does anyone, as an adult,
    actually believe this?
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    It's manifestly untrue.
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    I'm a free speech attorney precisely
    because I believe that words matter;
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    it's ludicrous to protect free speech
    by denying its very power.
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    So, why do we lie to kids, right?
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    Why do we fabricate this thing for them?
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    Well, it's because humans of all ages
    can be vicious; it's just true.
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    And when a kid is at the receiving end
    of injustice, a taunt, hateful language,
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    we want that kid
    to be empowered, not diminished.
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    In February, notorious troll
    Milo Yiannopoulos
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    had a planned speech at UC Berkeley.
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    Students and others
    in the community went nuts.
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    There were protests, there were riots,
    things were set on fire.
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    The administration cancelled his talk.
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    In April, there was a repeat, same thing,
    except this time, it was Ann Coulter.
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    She was going to speak,
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    school officials said,
    "There's going to be riots."
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    They cancelled her talk.
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    Those two individuals, Ann and Milo,
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    man, they became martyrs.
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    They got to take on the roll of victims
    of liberal censorship.
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    They went on media tours,
    the media ate it up.
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    They got more attention
    for being silenced than they ever did
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    for trying to peddle
    their actual substantive views.
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    So, I think it's helpful to think
    of professional, provocateurs and trolls
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    as we would those schoolyard bullies.
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    Yeah, their words can hurt,
    there's no point in denying that.
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    But the better question is,
    how do we respond to that, right?
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    And a troll, a provocateur,
    wants you to censor them.
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    That's part of the goal,
    it feeds into their power,
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    it gives them something else to sell.
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    So, we don't have to march to that tune.
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    You don't have to play that role.
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    And we can think of them,
    like these bullies,
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    yeah their words hurt,
    but there's also power in sass.
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    There's power in refusing
    to be goaded into a fight
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    or to play the role of censor.
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    So, don't do it.
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    But some words wound in ways
    that are different from others.
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    Which brings us to myth number two.
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    I hear this one a lot,
    particularly online.
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    We all know that hate speech
    isn't protected by the First Amendment.
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    Not so.
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    As that anecdote about Trump
    hopefully made you think,
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    hate speech can be
    in the eye of the beholder,
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    ear of the behearer, I guess,
    if that's a word.
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    Just this week in Spain,
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    a man was arrested
    for the hate crime - this is real -
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    of calling cops "slackers" on Facebook.
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    Police are covered
    under the Spanish Hate Crime Law.
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    That's what criticizing
    your government looks like
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    in a country without a First Amendment.
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    But we don't have to protect speech
    just out of paranoia
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    that our government will warp
    what we think speech and hate speech are,
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    there's also an upshot.
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    In the late 1960's,
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    a KKK leader named Charles Brandenburg
    was arrested on criminal charges
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    of incitement to violence
    for holding a KKK rally.
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    The speech was as abhorrent,
    as vicious, racist as you might imagine.
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    But the KKK's lawyers took it
    all the way up to the Supreme Court.
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    And they challenged this crime,
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    said he had a free speech right
    to be a KKK member,
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    and the Supreme Court thought about it
    and said, "You're right."
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    Before we allow the government
    to punish you for your speech,
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    it has to pass such a high bar,
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    there has to be an immediate
    and specific risk
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    of actual physical violence
    to a real person.
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    And this KKK rally, well,
    it was a group of white racists,
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    but there wasn't anyone around
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    that they were intending
    to actually engage in violence against.
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    That case, in a vacuum,
    might be tough to swallow.
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    I think particularly
    if you're a person of color.
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    But it's not the end of the story.
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    At about the same time,
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    a lion of the Civil Rights Movement
    named Charles Evers
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    was giving a huge speech
    to a gathering of NAACP supporters,
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    who had come together to boycott
    white-owned racist businesses
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    that didn't allow black Americans
    to come into their business.
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    And as he's giving his speech,
    Evers gets worked up and really passionate
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    and he says, "I'll wring the damn neck
    of anybody who breaks this boycott."
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    So, what's he done, right?
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    He's fantasized
    about some future violence,
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    it's hypothetical,
    he's not pointing at Bob there, right?
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    So, the Brandenburg case
    has just come out of the Supreme Court,
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    and the NAACP's lawyers look at that
    and they say, "Well, this can't be right.
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    How can a KKK leader get
    a 'get out of jail' free card,
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    but our Civil Rights guy, Mr. Evers,
    is being sued for incitement
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    by the same white-owned businesses
    that he was protesting?"
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    Mr. Evers challenged these charges too.
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    And he went all the way up
    to the Supreme Court.
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    And the Supreme Court said,
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    "Well, I guess we're constrained
    by that Brandenburg case
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    to give you your free speech rights too."
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    I want to be clear, by the way,
    that I don't see anything equivalent
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    between the KKK and the NAACP.
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    But the court is an odd place -
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    it's a bit stripped of context in history,
    it's a kind of bastion of privilege -
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    and all they boiled it down to was,
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    "Is this theoretical future violence?
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    Or is there an immediate and specific
    risk of harm to a real person?"
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    And they said,
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    "From that point of view,
    these look the same."
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    Now, I know a lot of people
    are skeptical that in practice,
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    the rights that are extended
    to people like a KKK leader
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    actually trickle down to somebody
    like an NAACP leader.
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    They're not wrong to be skeptical.
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    Our country has always taken a while
    to distribute its rights equally
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    among its citizenry, right?
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    Think of the right to vote.
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    Did we all get it at the same time,
    regardless of sex, regardless of race?
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    Absolutely not.
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    Or even in today's world,
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    do you think your constitutional rights
    at arrest look the same
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    regardless of your race?
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    Your right to carry a gun?
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    Do you think that looks the same
    whether you're black or you're white?
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    Again, no.
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    But is the answer to eliminate or lessen
    the very constitutional protections
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    that allow us to hold the government
    accountable when it violates our rights?
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    Hell no.
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    Instead, making sure that constitutional
    rights are evenly distributed
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    is a process, right?
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    And it's our job,
    the First Amendment is no different.
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    So, when the Supreme Court,
    when the powers that be,
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    give that right to somebody
    like Brandenburg, a KKK leader,
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    it's our job, Civil Rights leaders,
    those who believe in equal rights,
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    in justice, to ratchet everybody up
    to that same level of protection
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    for constitutional rights.
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    And that's precisely what the NAACP did.
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    And that's all of our job too.
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    That's what I do,
    as a free speech attorney,
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    and that's what you
    need to do as students.
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    You need to make sure
    that these theoretical rules
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    filter down on the ground.
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    So are students up for it?
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    That brings us to our third
    and final myth.
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    "Today's students are just snowflakes."
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    I hear it all the time.
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    Usually meant as an insult, by the way,
    as beautiful as snowflakes are.
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    So, because of the First Amendment,
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    public schools and universities
    can not ban people from campus,
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    simply because their views are hateful.
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    So that means that over the past year,
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    black and Jewish students
    have had to leave their dorm rooms
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    and walk to class passing by people
    who have called for their extermination.
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    It means that women students
    have had to walk by speakers on campus
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    who call feminism a cancer.
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    LGBT students have had
    to walk by people saying,
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    "Transgenderism is a medical disorder."
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    No adult has to go to work
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    and walk by people saying
    they're less than human
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    or that they shouldn't exist.
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    I don't think students are snowflakes,
    I think they're badasses.
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    Because they bear the brunt
    of that First Amendment on campus,
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    where these professional
    provocateurs come, right?
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    Now, when I say that silencing
    your political opponents isn't the answer,
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    it's not because I think that's weak,
    it's because I think that's unstrategic.
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    So, if silencing your enemies
    isn't an answer,
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    what does empowerment look like
    in the First Amendment?
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    Well sometimes, it's just sheer numbers.
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    The week after Charlottesville,
    a group of people planned a rally
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    on Boston Common that they termed
    "The Free Speech Rally."
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    They were alt-right folks,
    and this is a week after Charlottesville.
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    Only a handful
    of permit-holders showed up.
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    But 40,000+ members
    of the Massachusetts community
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    and from across the country,
    engaged in a counter protest
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    ringing Boston Common,
    standing strong, right?
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    Sending a very powerful
    message of resistance together.
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    That's a blizzard of snowflakes, right?
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    There's no weakness in that.
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    But sometimes, just a single person
    will make a difference.
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    One of my favorite stories
    from the last couple of years,
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    one of my favorite free speech victories
    from the last few years,
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    is a musician who was really appalled
    that the KKK was planning to march
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    in his hometown of Charleston.
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    And so, using the tools at his disposal,
    he got out his sousaphone.
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    That's one of these big
    brass instruments, BOM-BOM.
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    And he got out of the street
    and he got next to the KKK,
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    and he just oompa, oompa,
    oompa, oompa-ed along with them.
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    (Laughter)
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    It's amazing, you should look up
    the video, it's worth watching.
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    And without saying a single word,
    he stripped these fascists bare.
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    They couldn't even bear to go on
    marching, they were so humiliated.
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    You can't keep up
    a straight face of fascism
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    with a goofy tuba lined behind you,
    it's just hard to do.
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    So look, I believe in the First Amendment
    fundamentally, first and foremost
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    because I know
    it's the greatest tool we have
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    to keep the government
    out of regulating the conversations
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    that spark every change in the world.
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    If you want to keep having conversations
    that change the world,
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    you should embrace
    this First Amendment too,
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    messiness and all.
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    And even though those three myths
    might not be true,
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    I hope they started to reveal
    a few real nuggets of truth
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    about how we can strategically exercise
    our powerful First Amendment rights.
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    Number one: Know your history.
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    Know that when rights are extended
    to the powerful and privileged,
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    that it's our job to make sure
    that everybody benefits from those rights.
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    Understand that the same First Amendment
    that first extended to a KKK member
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    was used strategically
    by Civil Rights leaders
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    to cover the NAACP leader as well.
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    That's a success story
    and we have to keep doing it.
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    Number two: Don't try to silence
    your way out of a debate.
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    As we've seen from Free Speech Week,
    as we've seen from the Free Speech Rally,
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    people trying to co-op
    the term Free Speech
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    just feeds them power.
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    We can't let them do that.
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    Free Speech as a concept,
    its power is in its indivisibility,
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    its equal for the KKK leader
    and the NAACP leader alike, right?
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    So don't dance to that tune.
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    You don't have to give
    the provocateur the censorship
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    she's desperately hoping
    that you give her.
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    So that brings us to number three.
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    Dance to your own tune.
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    Figure out for yourself
    when you go to a counter protest,
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    in numbers or alone with your tuba.
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    Figure out when you hold an alternative
    and more loving event across campus.
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    Figure out when you think there are ideas
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    that are just fundamentally
    unworthy of debate.
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    And the way that you figure out
    how to handle these conflicts,
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    how to handle speech that you abhor,
    can be a great guideline
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    for how you handle conflict
    throughout the rest of your life.
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    My name is Lee Rowland.
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    I'm an unabashed progressive,
    I'm a skeptic, I'm an anti-authoritarian.
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    For all of those reasons,
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    I believe in a robust
    and indivisible First Amendment.
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    Join me.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Campus free speech realities and myths | Lee Rowland | TEDxUniversityofNevada
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Lee Rowland
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University of Nevada, Reno (UNR) students and graduates have been embroiled in two of the biggest free speech controversies in recent years. In 2016, UNR graduate and National Football League (NFL) player Colin Kaepernick protested before football games when he refused to stand for the national anthem. In the summer of 2017, UNR student Peter Cvjetanovic became the face of the white nationalist rally he attended in Charlottesville, Virginia. Reflecting on these examples, Lee Rowland discusses three myths about our First Amendment rights and then concludes with practical suggestions for exercising free speech rights powerfully and strategically. Lee Rowland is a senior staff attorney with the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. Lee has extensive experience as a litigator, lobbyist, and public speaker. She has served as lead counsel in federal First Amendment cases involving public employee speech rights, the First Amendment rights of community advocates, government regulation of digital speech, and state secrecy surrounding the lethal injection process. She also authors amicus briefs and blogs on topics including the intersection of speech and privacy, student and public employee speech, obscenity, and the Communications Decency Act. While at the ACLU, Lee has served as an adjunct clinical professor for NYU Law’s Technology Law and Policy Clinic, a member of the New York Bar Association’s Communications and Media Law Committee, and an adjunct faculty member in the Human Rights Program at the Roosevelt House Public Policy Institute at Hunter College.

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Video Language:
English
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closed TED
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TEDxTalks
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16:41

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