Engaging with liberty: Zahira Asmal at TEDxBeloHorizonte
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0:16 - 0:18This weekend,
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0:18 - 0:21South Africans all over the world
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0:21 - 0:24are celebrating twenty years
of our democracy. -
0:24 - 0:26Excuse-me if I get a little emotional,
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0:26 - 0:28because I'm celebrating with you.
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0:28 - 0:30I'm not back home,
with my friends and my team, -
0:30 - 0:32but I'm here with you today,
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0:32 - 0:34and I hope all of you will celebrate
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0:34 - 0:37our twenty years of democracy.
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0:38 - 0:42(Applause)
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0:46 - 0:48When I was a teenager,
twenty years ago, -
0:48 - 0:51my sister and I, on this very day,
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0:51 - 0:54were preparing, very busily,
a lot of food -
0:54 - 0:57for the thousands of people that were
going to be casting their vote -
0:57 - 0:59for the first time
in South Africa's history, -
0:59 - 1:03the first time hundreds
and thousands of South Africans -
1:03 - 1:04were going to vote.
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1:04 - 1:09And 67% of South Africa's
voting population -
1:09 - 1:12voted for Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela,
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1:12 - 1:15fondly known to us as Madiba.
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1:15 - 1:20I met Madiba soon after he became
president of South Africa. -
1:20 - 1:23I met him at Chief Albert Lutuli's house,
in Groutville. -
1:23 - 1:25I lived close by.
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1:25 - 1:27And we talked about travel.
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1:27 - 1:29We talked about his favourite food,
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1:29 - 1:31which is beans, by the way.
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1:31 - 1:34And we talked about me
wanting to be a designer, -
1:34 - 1:37and he told me about him studying law.
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1:37 - 1:40He said to me that it was
very important for him to study law -
1:40 - 1:42and to know everything about it,
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1:42 - 1:46so he could change it for South Africa.
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1:46 - 1:47And so, as I grew older,
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1:47 - 1:50I started to reflect on this time
with Mandela, -
1:50 - 1:54because he also told me -- which I didn't
quite understand at the time, -
1:54 - 1:56because I thought we were a free nation,
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1:56 - 1:59back then, in 1994 --
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1:59 - 2:00but he reminded me,
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2:00 - 2:03he said that a lot of work
still needed to be done. -
2:03 - 2:05And he said, "You wanted to be a designer?
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2:05 - 2:07We need designers.
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2:07 - 2:10We need so many people
to do so much more." -
2:10 - 2:12Because he was saying to me
that our democracy -
2:12 - 2:15was only a part of the journey to freedom.
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2:15 - 2:16I didn't understand it then.
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2:16 - 2:19And so, recently, I've been
reflecting a lot about this, -
2:19 - 2:20about what he meant.
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2:20 - 2:23And I started to think about
what I do with my life, -
2:23 - 2:26and how I've been...
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2:26 - 2:28maybe, what sacrifices have I been making?
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2:28 - 2:31You know, Madiba made so many sacrifices,
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2:31 - 2:33alongside so many other people.
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2:33 - 2:36And I wondered, what was I doing?
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2:36 - 2:39And so, when he died, last December,
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2:39 - 2:41I started to think
about everything in my life: -
2:41 - 2:43my personal relationships, my work.
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2:43 - 2:45And I often would say to myself,
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2:45 - 2:47even in my darkest hour:
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2:47 - 2:50"What would Madiba do?"
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2:50 - 2:53You know, I come from a family
that is a bit of a mixed bag. -
2:53 - 2:56We lived in tropical KwaZulu-Natal,
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2:56 - 2:59which is the province
on the North East coast, -
2:59 - 3:02North East of South Africa.
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3:02 - 3:03I come from a small town,
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3:03 - 3:08and my mom is Persian,
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3:08 - 3:11and her mom is from Rangoon, in Burma.
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3:11 - 3:13And she's got flaming red hair,
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3:13 - 3:16a freckled face and amber eyes.
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3:16 - 3:20And my dad, he's South African
of Indian descent. -
3:20 - 3:24His family has been in South Africa
for four generations. -
3:24 - 3:28In our home, we spoke Gujarathi,
and English, and isiZulu, -
3:28 - 3:32and we recited poetry in Arabic and Urdu.
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3:32 - 3:33So, we had a very colourful life.
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3:33 - 3:37Our home was very colourful,
it was loud, full of debates, -
3:37 - 3:39and singing, and prayer.
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3:39 - 3:42And it was a happy childhood.
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3:42 - 3:45But outside, I knew that we were living
a time of apartheid, -
3:45 - 3:47which was dark and gloomy.
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3:47 - 3:49It was a very ugly time in South Africa.
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3:49 - 3:55And I became aware, as a young girl,
about apartheid, -
3:55 - 3:58because we were living
in the Southern tip of Africa, -
3:58 - 4:01but I had to live in an Indians-only area,
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4:01 - 4:04and I had to go to an Indians-only school.
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4:04 - 4:09And every day, every moment,
we had to classify ourselves, -
4:09 - 4:10we had to fill out forms,
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4:10 - 4:13always justifying who we were.
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4:13 - 4:14And we had these forms that were
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4:14 - 4:16"Engli..." Excuse-me,
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4:16 - 4:18"White", "Black", "Indian" and "Coloured".
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4:18 - 4:20And, sometimes, there would be "Other".
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4:20 - 4:22And I always ticked the "Other".
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4:22 - 4:25My dad was very frustrated.
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4:25 - 4:26And my dad loved to fish, you know.
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4:26 - 4:27He was quite a fisherman,
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4:27 - 4:30and so, we spent
a lot of time on the beach. -
4:30 - 4:32We lived close to the Indian Ocean.
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4:32 - 4:34And I used to join my dad.
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4:34 - 4:35I don't think I was of any use,
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4:35 - 4:37but I went with him anyway.
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4:37 - 4:40On this one occasion,
we got kicked off the beach. -
4:40 - 4:42Not very kindly, I might add.
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4:42 - 4:45And I asked my dad, I said, "Why are we
getting kicked off the beach?" -
4:45 - 4:48And he said, "Zahira, we are Indian.
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4:48 - 4:50We're not allowed to be on this beach."
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4:50 - 4:52I said, "But dad, I learned at school
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4:52 - 4:54that this is the Indian Ocean.
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4:54 - 4:56I thought you owned the beach!" (Laughter)
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4:56 - 4:58And so, as a young girl,
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4:58 - 5:01I started to notice
that something wasn't right. -
5:01 - 5:03And I didn't feel nice.
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5:03 - 5:06I didn't feel nice
about what was happening. -
5:06 - 5:08I realized that what was in my home
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5:08 - 5:11was colourful, it was expansive.
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5:11 - 5:13What was outside was gloomy
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5:13 - 5:15and it was diminishing.
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5:15 - 5:18It was the dull times of apartheid.
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5:18 - 5:22And my family,
like most South African people, -
5:22 - 5:26lived a life of awkward indignity.
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5:26 - 5:30We accepted very quietly
our circumstances, -
5:30 - 5:32and it seemed also
that the darker you got, -
5:32 - 5:34the worst you were treated.
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5:34 - 5:36We lived on the periphery of society,
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5:36 - 5:40with very little access
to economic opportunity. -
5:40 - 5:41And so, as I grew older,
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5:41 - 5:45I became very socially
and politically conscious. -
5:45 - 5:47I learned, while I was a teenager,
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5:47 - 5:50that Mandela was incarcerated,
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5:50 - 5:52and I learned why.
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5:52 - 5:53I learned that Chief Albert Luthuli --
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5:53 - 5:55who was our family friend
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5:55 - 5:57and who had lived in our family home
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5:57 - 5:59for several months
when he was under house arrest -- -
5:59 - 6:03when he was awarded
the Nobel Peace Prize in 1960, -
6:03 - 6:06he had to be given
"honorary white membership", -
6:06 - 6:07or "honorary white status",
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6:07 - 6:11just to travel to receive this prize.
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6:11 - 6:15I also learned that my uncle,
Professor Kader Asmal, -
6:15 - 6:17was in exile for 37 years,
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6:17 - 6:20and he was living in Ireland.
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6:20 - 6:23And he was in exile
because he was one of the founders -
6:23 - 6:26of the anti-apartheid movement in Europe.
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6:26 - 6:29So, I also learned
that our phones were tapped. -
6:29 - 6:32Our house was visited
by National Party officials -
6:32 - 6:35and my family was interrogated constantly
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6:35 - 6:38about my uncle's activities
while in exile. -
6:38 - 6:40So, the government thought at the time
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6:40 - 6:44that my uncle should have been
locked up with Mandela. -
6:44 - 6:46In those days, a group of black people
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6:46 - 6:47was considered an illegal protest,
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6:47 - 6:51instead of a social gathering and a party.
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6:51 - 6:52There was the Group Areas Act --
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6:52 - 6:55yeah, we had an act every so many years,
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6:55 - 6:57to restrain us and restrict us.
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6:57 - 6:59There was the Group Areas Act,
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6:59 - 7:03where we were forced to live
with people of our own race. -
7:03 - 7:06Some of us were even forcibly
removed from our homes -
7:06 - 7:08and made to live in squalor,
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7:08 - 7:10on the periphery of the cities.
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7:10 - 7:12There was the Bantu Education Act,
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7:12 - 7:14that limited people's education,
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7:14 - 7:16black people's education,
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7:16 - 7:19hence perpetuating their persecution.
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7:19 - 7:21There was the Land Act,
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7:21 - 7:25that made it impossible for us
to own land in South Africa. -
7:25 - 7:28And my favourite was the Immorality Act,
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7:28 - 7:32which made it illegal
to love someone of another race. -
7:33 - 7:37Students all over the country
in South Africa, -
7:37 - 7:40in the 1970's, were being killed
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7:40 - 7:42by the South African Defence Force.
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7:42 - 7:46They were "protesting":
they didn't want to study Afrikaans. -
7:46 - 7:49Black people all over the country
were being killed. -
7:49 - 7:51They were "protesting":
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7:51 - 7:53they didn't want to use passbooks
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7:53 - 7:57that limited their movement
around the country. -
7:57 - 7:59We all wanted to be free.
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7:59 - 8:01But I realized, at that time,
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8:01 - 8:04that no one was free:
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8:04 - 8:08not the victims, nor the persecutors.
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8:08 - 8:11We were slaves of colonial masters;
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8:11 - 8:14our cultures, considered
unsophisticated. -
8:14 - 8:17We had to use back entrances
to restaurants, -
8:17 - 8:19if we were allowed in the first place.
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8:19 - 8:24We were forbidden
to visit many parts of South Africa. -
8:24 - 8:25Can you imagine?
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8:25 - 8:28All this space in a beautiful country,
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8:28 - 8:30and we couldn't access it.
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8:30 - 8:35I protested because I believed
there was better. -
8:35 - 8:36I wished to be free,
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8:36 - 8:38not only to move around the country
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8:38 - 8:40and see beautiful things,
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8:40 - 8:43but also to be free to express myself,
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8:43 - 8:45and to just be me.
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8:45 - 8:47I wanted my colour, my culture,
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8:47 - 8:51my heritage, my language
to matter like anyone else's. -
8:51 - 8:54Or not to matter, if it didn't matter.
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8:55 - 8:57I didn't want to live in fear.
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8:57 - 8:59I remember too
that we were called South Africans, -
8:59 - 9:01but we didn't know what that meant.
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9:01 - 9:04We were so harshly
excluded from activities, -
9:04 - 9:06important activities in South Africa --
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9:06 - 9:08"How can we be called South African?"
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9:08 - 9:11It just wasn't possible.
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9:11 - 9:13So, this time in South Africa's history
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9:13 - 9:17was so painful for so many people
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9:17 - 9:21that some can't speak about it even today.
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9:21 - 9:23So, I wondered then, twenty years on,
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9:23 - 9:26"What does freedom mean to us?"
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9:26 - 9:30I feel free, I feel free now,
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9:30 - 9:33and I don't take my freedom for granted.
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9:33 - 9:35I know what it felt like before,
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9:35 - 9:37and I never want to feel it again.
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9:37 - 9:40I don't even wish anyone else
to feel what I felt, -
9:40 - 9:43as a young girl, living in South Africa.
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9:43 - 9:45And so, I engaged with my freedom
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9:45 - 9:49every single day
and every moment of my life. -
9:49 - 9:53And so, my friends and my colleagues
call me an activist. -
9:53 - 9:54Some of them say to me,
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9:54 - 9:57"Your conversations about apartheid
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9:57 - 10:00make me feel a little uncomfortable."
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10:00 - 10:02And I say to this,
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10:02 - 10:05"If you're feeling
a little uncomfortable now, -
10:05 - 10:09imagine what it felt like in reality."
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10:09 - 10:10Some of them say to me,
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10:10 - 10:14"Get over apartheid, Zahira. It's over."
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10:14 - 10:15And I say, "Apartheid isn't over,
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10:15 - 10:17if so many South Africans are still living
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10:17 - 10:20with these harsh realities."
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10:20 - 10:22And then, some of my friends
and colleagues say to me, -
10:22 - 10:25"Zahira, with your work and what you do,
why do you bother? -
10:25 - 10:28Do something else more fun."
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10:29 - 10:33And I say: "Madiba reminded us
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10:33 - 10:36that the hard work is not done yet.
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10:36 - 10:40And besides, imagine if Madiba
had to say, 'Why bother?' -
10:40 - 10:44Where would that
leave South Africa today?" -
10:44 - 10:47So, I wonder, in countries
like South Africa and Brazil, -
10:47 - 10:50what does freedom mean to us?
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10:50 - 10:52Both Brazil and South Africa
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10:52 - 10:55have the worst Gini coefficient
in the world. -
10:55 - 10:58In social economic terms,
that means that our countries, -
10:58 - 11:00our societies are the most divided.
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11:00 - 11:04So divided, in fact,
that they probably will never meet. -
11:04 - 11:07In Brazil, and allow me to say,
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11:07 - 11:10some of your buildings
have two separate entrances, -
11:10 - 11:12(Portuguese) "Service" and "Social".
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11:12 - 11:15In fact, most of the buildings
I went to in São Paulo have this! -
11:15 - 11:17This is unacceptable!
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11:17 - 11:20This is two separate entrances for people!
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11:20 - 11:23This reminds me
of my childhood in apartheid! -
11:23 - 11:25Dangerously close.
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11:25 - 11:28And the designers in this room:
change that! -
11:28 - 11:33(Applause)
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11:34 - 11:38Too many South Africans
are living bellow the red line. -
11:38 - 11:41Too many South Africans
are living without education. -
11:41 - 11:44And too many South Africans
are living without dignity. -
11:44 - 11:46That is unacceptable.
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11:46 - 11:48So, with thirty years
of democracy in Brazil -
11:48 - 11:50and twenty years
of democracy in South Africa, -
11:50 - 11:53what does it actually mean for us?
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11:53 - 11:55The challenges facing our democracy
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11:55 - 11:58should be seen as opportunities,
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11:58 - 12:00not -- excuse-me --
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12:00 - 12:02and processes of engagement,
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12:02 - 12:04and not problems to be solved.
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12:04 - 12:07People are not problems.
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12:07 - 12:11Through my work,
I discovered in South Africa -
12:11 - 12:15things that have equally warmed my heart
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12:15 - 12:18and things that have made
my hair stand on end. -
12:18 - 12:21I have seen people live with such dire --
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12:21 - 12:24in such dire conditions and circumstances,
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12:24 - 12:26that it made me so sad
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12:26 - 12:28that even my own circumstances as a child
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12:28 - 12:30paled in comparison.
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12:30 - 12:33Yet, these people --
the thing that warmed my heart -
12:33 - 12:35was that they had so much hope
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12:35 - 12:37that there was going to be a better life.
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12:37 - 12:40If not for them, for their children
and grandchildren. -
12:40 - 12:45They still have the hope
that Madiba gave them -
12:45 - 12:46all those years ago:
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12:46 - 12:49that, through our freedom
and through our democracy, -
12:49 - 12:51a better life will come to them.
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12:52 - 12:54And so, I realize at these moments,
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12:54 - 12:56when meeting these beautiful people
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12:56 - 12:59that share their lives with me
so generously -- -
12:59 - 13:02yet they have absolutely nothing --
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13:03 - 13:07I remember and recall
Madiba's words to me -
13:07 - 13:12about the journey
through freedom and emancipation -
13:12 - 13:15only started then, with our democracy.
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13:15 - 13:19So, freedom has to be
negotiated, constantly. -
13:19 - 13:22And freedom has to be
demonstrated, always. -
13:22 - 13:26But most of all,
freedom needs to be shared. -
13:26 - 13:29For those of us with political freedom,
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13:29 - 13:32make certain
that your governance policies -
13:32 - 13:35have the interest of all people at heart.
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13:35 - 13:37For those of us with economic freedom,
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13:37 - 13:40make certain that all people have homes,
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13:40 - 13:43that all people have access
to quality services -
13:43 - 13:47and have access to education and learning.
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13:47 - 13:49For those of us with social freedom,
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13:49 - 13:53make certain you free yourself
from hatred, -
13:53 - 13:55anger and jealousy.
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13:55 - 13:58Madiba reminds us that love
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13:58 - 14:02comes more naturally to the human heart.
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14:02 - 14:04Freedom isn't a competition,
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14:04 - 14:08and nor is it a race
with a finishing line. -
14:08 - 14:10Our freedom should be like a relay:
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14:10 - 14:12we should pass it on to others.
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14:12 - 14:14So, I want all of us today,
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14:14 - 14:18while celebrating South Africa's
twenty years of democracy, -
14:18 - 14:20that we should consider our lives,
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14:20 - 14:22we should consider our work.
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14:22 - 14:25Be sure to engage
with your freedom, actively. -
14:25 - 14:28Be that activist!
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14:28 - 14:32Apply your craft
for the emancipation of others, -
14:32 - 14:35whether you're a doctor,
whether you're an engineer -
14:35 - 14:36a designer or an architect,
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14:36 - 14:40especially if you're a political leader.
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14:41 - 14:43Each day in our lives,
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14:43 - 14:47when we have moments of uncertainty,
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14:47 - 14:49or if we're looking for inspiration,
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14:49 - 14:51we should think to ourselves:
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14:51 - 14:53"What would Madiba do?"
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14:53 - 14:54Thank you.
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14:54 - 14:57(Applause)
- Title:
- Engaging with liberty: Zahira Asmal at TEDxBeloHorizonte
- Description:
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On the day before the twentieth anniversary of South Africa's democracy, Zahira Asmal shared stories about her journey for freedom in her country. A personal, professional and political journey -- from times of segregation and exclusion to the pursuit of integration and inclusion.
- Video Language:
- English
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 15:09
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