Intervention CANADA S02 E05 - Wes & Lise - Cocaine, Marijuana Addiction

This is the 5th episode of Intervention Canada Season 2. Wes and Lise are from Sudbury, Ontario. They both suffer from a Crack Cocaine addiction and also claim to be addicted to Marijuana.

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Lise was a good mother, she was doing everything right

Love you.....be good!

Wesley started changing

They take off to school, we head off upstairs

They will just smoke for hours on end, the entire time the kids are at school

Their love is a sick and twister kind of love....

THAT is what crack does to you!

He was beaten up with a baseball bat

If she doesn't get help....she will be dead

Wesley and Lis have got to learn....either how to be parents....or how to say goodbye to their children

Please say yes

Don't do to your sons, what I've done to my kids

You and I both know what you need to do

Come on people, don't do this to us!

Wes.....please!!!!

You lie right to me!

Don't throw away an opportunity

Look at all the dog sh@# in the backyard, that is disgusting....

My name is Wes. I am 33.

My dad taught me mechanics and electronics.

I guess I learned as much as he could teach me....I surpassed him, and now I am teaching him

Wesly is a very, very intelligent person.

Wesly was my idol growing up. Everything he did, I wanted to do.

There is the heat sync for Lise's computer right there.

My name is Lise and I am 31 years old.

Lise has potential.

She just needs that push

We've talked about that a lot. Her dreams. She likes to cook. She would like to go to school to be a chef.

Check out the junk drawer. Game consoles that I repair....wiring for everything.

Wesley started changing...

It was almost like you could see a switch in him turn off.

I am addicted to crack cocaine and marijuana.

I like to smoke the pot, and I like to smoke crack...with Wesley.

I started smoking pot when I was 15 years old...and continued smoking pot for as long as I can remember...mmm...hmm.

This our daily routine....pretty much.

When we first met we both knew we liked marijuana. We liked hash, we liked oil.

For awhile we were doing Ritalin, because that was the little guess choice of drug for us to do...

and then acid was another one we would do...and shrooms...also mushrooms.

And then the crack

All you think about is getting your next fix

And the amount I have smoked in the 3 or 4 years is ten times the amount of pot I ever smoked throughout my life....

I enjoy the feeling of...uh... of being "buzzed"...I guess

like that.....I don't know how to describe it...

a EUPHORIC feeling

Using crack enhances more everything... like your senses go...you feel like your listening to something on volume 2 but it feels like its on volume 20

everything just seems to brighten right up! When you are doing crack.

It's pretty much like Wes and Lise aren't even living anymore...they're just....staying alive to just support their habit

So they can have a glow in their head....like a "buzz" feeling

because all they do is wake up and wonder where they are going to get their high

even if it's just a $10 gram of weed or $100 gram of crack

doesn't really matter...that's all they think about.

Everything seems to be working....

I got clean clothes. My kids have clean clothes. Got a nice place....a bunch of electronics.

This is Ethan's room, the oldest one.

You would think he would clean it better than this....but he doesn't!!! (lol)

Go over in the middle of the day...

they are both sleeping. The boys are watching TV or playing on the computer.

They haven't been fed. They got school the next morning.

Their clothes aren't washed.

Nobody really wants to go to Wesley and Lise's house...

Just because it's like a pigsty you can say.

(dog barking)

Meanwhile...they don't have any jobs.

I should be working....I could be running my own company!

But I don't know if I want the responsibility....I don't know if I want the headache

He's got absolutely nothing

the furniture and stuff he has...is not....

i wouldn't let my dog at home sleep on it!

And my grandchildren are sleeping on that!

We pick up the kids every now and then

We have some clothes already at the house for them

Jump into some clean clothes, because whatever they are wearing is always dirty.

We'll spend hours with Ethan and Isacc...sliding

we will follow it up with a hot chocolate on the weekend.

We bring them out....we do things with them. They enjoy themselves.

It's when we bring them home....

that's the noticeable difference.

(kid's crying)

It just breaks my heart

They don't want to go home....they ask why they have to leave.

Everyone says he lost weight...and I guess that we are always together...I don't notice the difference.

You can just see it...his face starts to slowly sink in

That must a terrible reality to look at that everyday....

because that is what crack does to you!

When your teeth are black and falling out of your head

when you face is sinking in....and you can count your ribs

If Wesley and Lise stayed like this.....

in five years.... I don't think Wesley would be alive.

I loved Wesley.

I would brag my girlfriend at the same time...and would say "Your kid isn't half as cute as mine!"

Wesley was an excellent student.

I got compliments from his teachers all the time.

Little notes on his report card that he is a really good kid.....very attentive. He would ace his tests all the time.

He was very good at school.

I remember one day waking up and seeing a bunch of go-karts on TV, and I guess he was good at carpentry and stuff

cuz he was about maybe 13 or 14 years old and he ended up making me a complete go-kart.

He could repair just about anything he put his mind to

Our parents were alcoholics and Wesley and I for about 8 years were the only 2 children in the house

which allowed Wesley and I to create a bond.

I can remember a time things were getting pretty bad...

my mother had started leaving the home and for extended periods of time

We would take bets on how...how long my mother would stay at home for

When my mom left....Carrie took that role and raised everybody while my dad was out working

But only because the way Carrie was

Yeah pretty much....Carrie took over the mother role.

It was a very close relationship we had. I would say all the way until....grade 10 where things changed

where Wesley took a different direction than I did in our lives

I decided to start smoking pot, and every since then I have been smoking it

Every 2 weeks I would pay Wesley's drug debt off

Because it got to the point, that even when in high school...

they were taking him up to the tennis courts because he wasn't paying his drug debts

I dropped out of school....quit going to work and that was it

We got kicked out of the house and went and lived in Montreal for a year 15 to 16...moved back. Went back to school

dropped out of school again

Everything changed when he met Lise

He was actually happy

She brought out a side of my brother that I hadn't seen in a very long time

I met his dad first....and I loved his dad.

So I knew his dad was a comedian...Wesley had to be an awesome guy too

because the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree...and it don't! lol

Lise always got along with everybody

Everybody loved her

loves her

She was always happy.

You could never tell there was anything wrong at home

She covered it well

When I was younger, I was sexually abused by one of my mom's cousins

I tried telling my parents about what happened when I was younger

They told me I was making it up and pretty much not to say anything because it would hurt my grandmother if I say anything

And then we ended up bonding because of the pregnancy

When Lise's mom passed away, my brother stepped up

He became the man I knew he could be back then

Took care of his girlfriend and took care of his son

Lise was a good mother

she was....I thought in my mind she was a good mother.

She was doing everything right.

She tried to do everything her mother did.

Trying to raise a newborn son and take care of a house of her own.

She was devastated....devastated.

She was my little sister....you know....like....life without her was impossible.

When Ann passed away, Lise started using more

Wesley started using more.

We pretty much got addicted to it from the first puff

After you do that first puff.....like you just want the next puff...the next puff.

I had a roofing career for five years straight before I started smoking crack

The month I started smoking crack, I fell $13,000 in the hole with my dealer.

I spent another $12,000 of my own money from working and doing odd jobs here and there on crack

I think Wesley and Lise love each other

but I think their love is a sick and twisted and sad kind of love

it's an enabling love

It's a love that is blinded by drugs right now

We went to the movies ONCE, in the 13 years that we have been together

Like my niece and her boyfriend the other day were talking about Valentine's and....

I've never gotten a Valentine's Day gift from Wesley.

Now when I go there....

the home is the worse I have ever seen it

It's horrible

The rent's not paid and the and the hydra bill is not paid

We lost our telephone...our internet....our cable TV

and you know...this is the 4th time it's happened.

It's sad to say.....he's not trying to help himself anymore

He's just going downhill

If Wesley doesn't get help soon, I believe he's not going to live that long

He will smoke himself to death or he will die because he has't eaten in a couple days

or he will end up owing someone a whole bunch of money and they are going to come and find him

whether they stay together in the end or anything is totally inmaterial

If she doesn't get help...she will be dead

Where's your mitts?

Isacc are they just the ear mitts bud?

The cat ate them....

For Wesley and Lise....if it's a school day

they'll wake up so they both can help the kids go to school

Have a good day at school...love you.....be good

They take off to school....we head off upstairs....right after the kids leave

And then after the kids are off to school....not even 10 minutes...they will probably smoke a joint

This is what we do for excitement pretty much.

(coughing) Woo...that's harsh on the throat.

Then they will pass out again...they will sleep the entire time the kids are at school

They will just sleep until about 2 or 3 o'clock in the afternoon

Then they will wake up just when the kids come home from school...

and they will probably smoke a couple of joints....

(laughing)

We always do it in the room....we close the door to make sure that the kids don't see what we are doing

When we are smoking pot.....

we will open the window...so that way the smoke will goes right outside and the kids are not exposed to it

Sometimes if they have enough weed to smoke...they'll just sit upstairs for hours on end and then supper won't be until about 9 o'clock at night.

When we use pot....we will use it all day when the kids are at school or if they are at home, playing outside we will do it whenever

The crack....I try to keep it for at night when they are sleeping....

if we can...like we will just do it at night time when the kids are sleeping

But because they are smoking crack now...at night time

that's the time they will stay up until about 4 or 5 in the morning

just smoking crack

and then they would start it all over again

Wesley never goes outside....

Like only when he has to drive somebody somewhere.....

and he will really get out of bed to drive someone to a crack dealer's house

like if somebody wants drugs and they will give Wesley some money or drugs to pay for that

Wesley will jump! Jump like there is no tomorrow pretty much.

And this is the life a drug addict...

sitting around waiting in a damn car to get a puff

Tell me that's not pathetic!

I don't have any tin foil, man.

I am broke

I owe all kinds of bills... and I can't do nothing to get the money

If Wesley and Lise had $200 in their pocket...they wouldn't stop smoking it until the money was all gone

Wesley puts the finger on me for the odd $20 here...and $10 there

A few months ago....his hydro got turned off and it cost me over $400 to get his hydro hooked back up

That left my father with absolutely no money, because he had to pay Wesley's hydro bill.

And then a couple weeks ago...again we get a call....

Wesley's hydro bill is disconnected.

My father cannot pay it this time...so he asks me

And then right before that Lise got her baby bonus check that was about $600. And then 2 days later they got their welfare check...so they had over $1000.

and within 7 days they couldn't pay the hydro bill.

It's the middle of February...and I am not thinking of Wesley and Lise when I do these things

I am thinking of 2 vulnerable children who don't have a choice o be where they are....so I pay their hydro bill

I go against my husband's wishes and cause friction in my own family

and Wesley has no regard for what he has done to my family.

I went to his house yesterday....and I walked in and every light in that home was on.

And I started turing off lights and some kid that lives in the basement because he is a coke/crack addict

and supplies Wesley and Lise with their crack or can get it or however their situation is working...

he tells me to leave the lights on...that he is doing something

Damien! Have you started looking for an apartment yet?

Did you go to welfare and get welfare yet?

That's terrible!

There are kids that live in this house and there is pot on the table like that! You can't stay here Damien!

When those kids come back home...you cannot be here.

Wesley....I fear that...more than anything....his children will end up like he is

I'm not really sure what is in those little kids' heads.

But they probably have a lot of issues, dealing with the way their life has been and all the people coming in and out of the house all the time

You asked the kid in the basement to stay here?

No, I said he could stay here for another day or two.

I can't kick someone out and make him homeless.

But that's not your problem Wesley....

Yeah but I am not going to kick a person out to the street in the winter time

The situation that Wesley and Lise are in escalated to a point that I no longer felt safe for my nephews

One weekend....a couple years ago

My brother Wes was beaten up by a baseball bat in his living room

and my 7 year old nephew saw it happen

There was a guy standing half way down the walkway with his hands in his pockets

and Wesley knew for a fact that the guy must have had a gun or a weapon and was going to use if anything bad went down

It's a sad thing to know that he is racking up debts with people all over this city

and he can't pay them.

Wesley just doesn't understand that these drug debts are just not going away

(dog barking)

My heart just jumped in my throat!

(dog barking)

You know my fear is...that they will hurt him when his children are at home

and these people are there...or I'm there

or my husband is there to pick up the kids or drop off the kids

and you know....you are just at the wrong place at the wrong time

See...I am getting all choked up about what scares me the most....and I don't even know...i don't even know

Being DEAD....

scares me the most....owing someone money someday and they come a shoot me in the face is what scares me

having my family hurt because of the stupid things I am doing

(phone ringing)

Lise and Wesley....they might realize that there is a lot more to their addiction than what they are trying to put on

That there is a lot more underline issues that they've just pushed aside...they've forgotten about because they don't want to talk about it

And when all that stuff...starts coming to the surface..

I am scared that both of them may end up hurting themselves, or might end up realizing they just don't want anything anymore

What happen to your eye?

I ran into the door....what happened to yours?

Don't worry about it buddy

Wesley needed so much...and I gave him nothing!

Like he wanted to be held....cuddled..and I couldn't!

She's my mom....how I am suppose to feel about her?

Yeah....you have to love your parents. It's written somewhere...the unwritten rule.

Even if you grow to hate them.....you still have to love them.

Not saying I hate my mother or anything, but yet...mmm..hmm... I love her.

They were really good kids.

Look what I did to them? I don't understand why I did that...

if I could go back, I wouldn't have left.

I just....I couldn't stay

I have no explanation other than I was a drunk

Lloyd father was very strict with the kids....he was very hard on Wesley.

I don't know why...Wesley would be sitting and watching TV

and if Lloyd wanted him to do something and Wesley didn't pay attention.....

Lloyd would walk up and whack him in the back of the head.

Why you hiding in here...ehh?

He used to say... "What are you a (bleep) idiot?"

That was his best saying....every time you would screw up!

You know you're not a (bleep) idiot!"..but that's what he liked to call you

It never belittled me....I didn't care.

II would say "No I am not an idiot....I'll learn, I'll learn" and eventually learned a whole bunch of stuff

This is the money maker right here...

Why is your stuff in my garage?

Nathan confiscated it so I couldn't sell it...I'm guessing! hahaha

I hope that they see that I am more than just being angry all the time or upset

Because I am not angry or upset.... I am worried and I am scared and I am sad

All black????

Because zombies are awesome... we play zombies all the time.

He loves the zombies

To me...he is trying to regain his chidlhood

he is trying to live the way he wants to live so he doesn't have to kind of grow up anymore...

if that makes sense?

I don't know....

I think Wesley has been lost for a long time.

And I think he did what I did....

he used the drugs to fade away what was happening.... and in all reality? It makes it worse.

Why I think I started drinking and smoking.....was to forget about what happened to me when I was younger.

Lise atoned a lot of her addictions now to the fact that her mother and sister passed away.....because of their deaths...she looks at it as

she did something wrong...but she's making the conscious choice to smoke pot to calm herself down

to mellow her out, relax her, whatever it is the drugs are doing to help her cope through everyday

with whatever demons she is facing

They don't stop soon? The kids are going to grow up and see what is going on and they are going to grow into it

But I don't know ....its pretty hard for me to tell him that

cause look at what I done

Wesley probably lost respect for me because of my drinking

My parents were both alcoholics

I will not sit back and watch another generation go in this path

I WILL not let this go on....I don't care what I have to do

Wesley and Lise have to learn either how to be parents....or how to say goodbye to their children

because that is the choice that they will have to make

So I have to now..take this into my hands again...

that saves their children because I can't save Wesley and Lise

Catch you later! Thanks for supper!

It's very strange...I sit there and look at aspects of my life and wonder.."What the hell am I doing here?"

5 minutes later....I don't do anything to alter it...don't do anything to change it

I am a big disappointment right now is what I am to my family ....is what I would sum it down to.

You don't even feel high off it anymore....you have to smoke one puff after another to actually get a glow off of it

That's how much of a waste of time it is...

I am breaking my dad's heart because I am a crackhead

I am breaking Carrie's heart because I am a crackhead....

and Nathan cries every time.....every time I admit to him that I am a junkie... he cries, gets all choked up

You are a drug addict fall down....that is what it turns you into

You lie to yourself saying "Yeah you are better than this...and you're better than that...and you're better than that"

But unless you WANT to change.....you are never going to change

There is no point I find for me to go get help for cocaine or crack....because if the problem is still at my house

Wesley is still doing it...and he is doing it in my room right beside me....it's just going to tempt me to do it

and I am just going to keep doing it.

If Lise quit? If Lise quits smoking crack....

in a heartbeat I would quit

I just want to start by saying

This is not an easy thing we are about to do...

Interventions are really difficult

And we are about to attempt a double intervention

We got 2 parents heavily addicted...and that makes it much more difficult because they have each other

They can turn to the other one and go "Let's get out of here" walk away and go off into the sunset

So it's not going to be easy tomorrow

It's sad to watch what's happening to him

Yeah but it's my fault he is the way he is now....It's MY fault

Because I left him.....

Oh my God look what I did to my children....that's what I did!

I went to go get drunk

You did exactly what they are doing right now

I put all this on HER!

I was in the dark.

Why do you think you were in the dark?

Because you were drinking ALL the time

So were you drinking a lot back in the day?

Uhhh...there were always neighbors to party with..

But do you see me using it as an outlet?

I pay my own bills..I don't borrow money off of anybody

Because I make the choice every morning to stay away from people who are going to drag me down

That's right

Why are you so angry right now?

Because I am pissed off that my parents are blaming themselves for the way my brother is...

THEY like the lifestyle they are living in

We've helped them and you know...I will admit I am the biggest enabler

I think I am helping....but I am not helping..right?

Your intentions are in the right place

and it's okay to look back in the past and regret some of the choices....

but we need to get rid of some of that shame and some of that guilt

Because that will keep us sick

That's why we are here...right?

We are here to change the way we've been doing things

Then we need to talk a little bit about bottom lines

Consequences....

and that's if they both say, NO

Do we all just stay away from them?

Well, we need to decide as a family because......

I don't know what I could take away from them...because I already hurt them enough

NO....it's not having their kids

That's my bottom line

Whether they say yes or they say no...

They are NOT getting those children back tomorrow and they are not getting those children back

until they are able to be parents

I think we are all prepared to say that the children are not leaving with you

I can basically sum it up this way...

they have 3 choices...

They can go to treatment willingly

2: they can walk out.....and I will call child services and I won't leave until those children are safe

and the 3rd choice is to say no and sign over custody

If they don't go..... it is important to keep your bottom lines

It is the UNITED front that works!

It is now or never....

NOW is when it stops

It's time to get this done

(laughing)

They are in the car now...they have left and they are on their way.....it will be another 5 minutes

Holy cow!!! There are a bunch of people

Hi, how are you?

Why are you guys both crying?

What the hell is this? Something bad is happening....

I wouldn't say that

Everyone has prepared some letters for you...okay

out of expression of love

There is no one here to make you do anything you don't want to do....

Awesome! Awesome

At the end of it....you guys can say anything you like

Sounds good....

You okay with that too, Lise?

Yeah

Dear Wesley and Lise,

You two are the parents of my two nephews and I realize

these kids could have so much more than what they have now

I honestly think you two don't see how much you are hurting them

and it is time to open your eyes and help yourselves

you BOTH must start fresh and deal wit this and be responsible parents....

so please say yes and get the help you need....I love you.

Come on people....I've told you guys to help us out....don't (bleep) do this (bleep) to us!

We're no good drug addicts that have to be lied to by everyone in the family

Yeah! That's like an oxymoron right there....

get everyone to lie to you about it

When they know.....

give us a chance to read you a little bit more....

Can we have your dad read a letter?

Yes....Absolutely...absolutely... this where the experience comes from...the intelligence

right now....this is what we got to listen to

Wesley, at first I didn't want to do this intervention

I didn't want to separate the family, but it is clear now that the family is already seperated

I should have and could have done more to be a better dad

I love you and I want my son back

STOP making the same mistakes I made.

I love you son.

I find that extremely insulting....how you can sit there and say you wanted to be a better father

You could not have been any better that what you were

To give up what you gave up to raise me....that is phenomenal!

Don't ever sit there and say you were a bad father....that is bull(bleep)! and you know it!

That's a joke... (bleep).

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