Group culture: what I've learned from Argentine teenagers | Sarah Smith | TEDxUCES
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0:23 - 0:27Living in another country
changes you in lots of ways. -
0:27 - 0:30Your habits and what you have
for breakfast -
0:30 - 0:35- scrambled eggs,
croissants, or pickled fish - -
0:35 - 0:39your values, if you live
to work or work to live, -
0:39 - 0:41and even your way of thinking.
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0:42 - 0:45Living in Argentina,
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0:45 - 0:48aside from making me
a devoted fan of local foods, -
0:48 - 0:51has changed me in loads of ways.
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0:51 - 0:55One is the way I view my kids' education,
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0:55 - 0:58particularly, the social aspect of it.
-
0:59 - 1:03I came to visit Argentina
for the first time over 20 years ago. -
1:03 - 1:06One of the cultural differences
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1:06 - 1:10that really stood out for me
on that first visit -
1:10 - 1:15actually came up in a conversation
with a girl named Camila -
1:15 - 1:17who couldn't have been more than 13.
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1:17 - 1:20It was at a family barbeque.
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1:20 - 1:22I honestly don't even remember
what we talked about. -
1:22 - 1:25What I do remember is
the way she expressed herself. -
1:25 - 1:30She was very at ease,
interested, spoke in fluid dialog. -
1:30 - 1:33She asked questions, looked me in the eye.
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1:33 - 1:36It was nearly like talking to an adult.
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1:37 - 1:39So why did this make
such an impression on me? -
1:39 - 1:42Because of how it contrasted
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1:42 - 1:46with the image I had
of teenagers in the US. -
1:47 - 1:52Oftentimes, when talking to adults,
they barely look at you. -
1:54 - 1:58They're kind of awkward, monosyllabic,
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1:58 - 2:01like they'd rather be
just about anyplace else. -
2:01 - 2:06People generally think of it
as just a 'phase' teenagers go through, -
2:06 - 2:10therefore, adults don't make
much of an effort -
2:10 - 2:14either to talk to their kids
during this phase. -
2:14 - 2:18I'm a linguist interested in the links
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2:18 - 2:21between language, culture
and communication. -
2:22 - 2:25As I talked to Camila,
it occurred to me that maybe, -
2:25 - 2:32the image I had
of the uncommunicative, aloof teenager -
2:32 - 2:37might easily be
an American cultural construct. -
2:38 - 2:40More than anything else,
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2:40 - 2:44I was curious to know
what made Camila so articulate. -
2:44 - 2:49I looked around the table,
full of people of all ages, -
2:49 - 2:51everyone talking at once
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2:51 - 2:55as they passed around platters
full of sausages and sweetbreads, -
2:55 - 3:00the typical chaos of an Argentine barbeque
with lots of shouting. -
3:00 - 3:03And I thought:
could this girl's way with words -
3:03 - 3:06have something to do
with the group dynamic here? -
3:07 - 3:12After many years in Argentina,
I've seen again and again -
3:12 - 3:18how well kids here express themselves,
how self-confident they are. -
3:18 - 3:21I even have a couple
of Argentine kids of my own now -
3:21 - 3:24who are also like this.
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3:24 - 3:27Now I'd like to go back in time
and tell you about -
3:27 - 3:32how I've experienced their education
here as a cultural phenomenon, -
3:32 - 3:35the changes that has brought about in me,
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3:35 - 3:38and the connection between all this
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3:38 - 3:42and the communication skills
of Argentine teenagers. -
3:43 - 3:48My kids started
elementary school in the U.S., -
3:48 - 3:53a system that typically focuses
on individual work, -
3:53 - 3:59with lots of tests, quizzes,
rankings, and points involved, -
4:00 - 4:05lots of emphasis
on kids' personal achievements -
4:05 - 4:09through contests,
awards, certificates, etc. -
4:09 - 4:12All of this ensures
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4:12 - 4:17that competition is fully incorporated
from the very beginning. -
4:18 - 4:21However, when we moved
to Argentina in third grade, -
4:21 - 4:25we chose a progressive school,
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4:25 - 4:27where they talked about
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4:27 - 4:31emotional support, harmony, happiness.
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4:31 - 4:35The kids would sit in circles
to work out their conflicts, -
4:35 - 4:39that is to say, a major focus
on the social aspects. -
4:39 - 4:41As for academics,
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4:41 - 4:45there was less individual work
more group work. -
4:45 - 4:48Something else I noticed
was lots of chaos, -
4:48 - 4:52with very noisy classrooms
and hardly anyone in their chair. -
4:53 - 4:59One of my kids' first play dates
happened at home. -
4:59 - 5:01It was 4th grade,
-
5:01 - 5:05a bunch of kids,
mostly 9 and 10-year-olds, -
5:05 - 5:08all on our rooftop terrace.
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5:08 - 5:12I went to take their afternoon snack,
and they were all sitting in a circle. -
5:13 - 5:15"What are you guys doing?"
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5:15 - 5:19They said: "We are debating
about what to play." -
5:19 - 5:21"That's great!" I replied,
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5:21 - 5:24and I got back thinking
what a nice cultural phenomenon. -
5:24 - 5:28If all this cooperation comes from
school, we must have made a good choice. -
5:29 - 5:33I go back to check on them
later and what do I find? -
5:33 - 5:35They're still in the circle.
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5:35 - 5:37It's true, can you believe that?
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5:37 - 5:39"So what's going on?" I asked,
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5:39 - 5:42and they said: "We can't decide
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5:42 - 5:46whether to jump rope, play tag,
or do some drawing." -
5:46 - 5:49"How about you split up
into smaller groups, -
5:49 - 5:53so everyone gets to play
what they want?" I said. -
5:53 - 5:57This one girl, Agustina, looked at me
with a perplexed expression and said: -
5:57 - 6:00"Why would we all get together
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6:00 - 6:03if we aren't all going to
play the same thing?" -
6:04 - 6:09That rooftop get-together
was a good indicator -
6:09 - 6:13of the dimension the group culture
would take on in my kids' lives. -
6:14 - 6:17And while I could appreciate it
in a social setting, -
6:17 - 6:22it slowing started to bother me
in the context of school. -
6:22 - 6:27Why? Because their report cards
seemed very general, -
6:27 - 6:30more focused
on their role within the group. -
6:30 - 6:33It was like the teachers
gave little importance -
6:33 - 6:37to students' individual work.
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6:37 - 6:39And, in addition,
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6:39 - 6:42I felt like I couldn't discuss
my concerns about the work -
6:42 - 6:45with the other parents
at school meetings -
6:45 - 6:48because they rarely brought up
academics at all. -
6:48 - 6:53It almost seemed that for them,
the social dynamics of the group -
6:53 - 6:56was the most important thing
in the classroom as well. -
6:56 - 6:58It was at one of those meetings
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6:58 - 7:02that someone mentioned
the issue of individualism -
7:02 - 7:05in a negative tone.
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7:05 - 7:08It got my attention,
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7:08 - 7:13mainly because I had never placed
any particular value on the term. -
7:13 - 7:20So, thinking that perhaps there might be
a different cultural connotation there, -
7:20 - 7:22I went to the dictionary.
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7:22 - 7:26Actually, to two dictionaries,
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7:26 - 7:28and this is what I found.
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7:28 - 7:34The definition of individualism
in the Real Academia dictionary says: -
7:34 - 7:39"Tendency to think and act
independently from others -
7:39 - 7:42or without abiding by the general rules."
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7:42 - 7:45What do you think? Were you aware of it?
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7:45 - 7:49Do you agree with this definition?
It sounds about right? -
7:49 - 7:55I'll read you another one in English
from the American Heritage Dictionary -
7:55 - 7:59- and here's my translation
of the definition as found there - -
7:59 - 8:03"Belief in the primary importance
of the individual -
8:03 - 8:08and in the virtues of self-sufficiency
and personal independence." -
8:09 - 8:12Different, right?
It's like a different twist. -
8:14 - 8:16And when I read that,
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8:16 - 8:20I had to admit that due
to my own education, I do believe -
8:20 - 8:24in the importance of the individual,
self-sufficiency, independence, etc. -
8:24 - 8:28And that's when I realized
that maybe for that reason, -
8:28 - 8:34I needed that individual recognition
of my kids through their schoolwork. -
8:37 - 8:41And so, with all that rattling
around in my head, -
8:41 - 8:44and without a forum to discuss it,
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8:44 - 8:47I decided to start a blog
-
8:47 - 8:51because for me, writing
has always been the best way -
8:51 - 8:55to work out my issues
and clarify things. -
8:55 - 9:00I started the blog as a sort
of personal catharsis about education, -
9:00 - 9:02and since I write in English,
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9:02 - 9:05it drew mainly an expat audience
here in Buenos Aires -
9:05 - 9:08and made me feel like I wasn't alone.
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9:08 - 9:13Around the end of elementary school,
I wrote this in my blog: -
9:15 - 9:19"I hope the new high school environment
will allow them to explore -
9:19 - 9:23the individual potential
and excel as individuals -
9:23 - 9:25because it seemed
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9:25 - 9:27that elementary school
was much more focused -
9:27 - 9:30on promoting the interests of the group."
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9:30 - 9:34Ironically, the most important lesson
I've learned from high school here -
9:34 - 9:39is to value the group
and the essential role it has played -
9:39 - 9:43in my teenagers' increasing independence.
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9:44 - 9:50High school in the U.S. is very stressful.
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9:52 - 9:57Grades are directly linked
to university acceptance, -
9:57 - 10:01so there is no place at all
for bad grades. -
10:01 - 10:05In face, the lowest grade
possible is an F, -
10:05 - 10:07which means 'fail,'
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10:07 - 10:11which also works for the word in Spanish.
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10:11 - 10:17In contrast, the university prep-school
my kids attend here is different. -
10:17 - 10:21Also stressful, but for different reasons.
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10:21 - 10:24In all honesty, it was painful
the first time I heard: -
10:24 - 10:28"I have to take a first-round
make-up exam." -
10:28 - 10:33It was even worse when they told me:
"I have to take two second-round exams." -
10:33 - 10:36Of course this reminded me
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10:36 - 10:39of everything I just mentioned
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10:39 - 10:43about failure, competition, and all that.
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10:43 - 10:46But the honest truth is
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10:46 - 10:52that just getting that 7
in the schools of the UBA system -
10:52 - 10:55requires incredible effort.
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10:55 - 10:59And I have learned
that just aiming for that has merit, -
10:59 - 11:04that "carrying a subject"
does not mean that you are a failure, -
11:04 - 11:10that the value in all this is
in surpassing yourself and not your peers. -
11:13 - 11:16Several years have gone by
since I started the blog, -
11:16 - 11:19and I've completely changed my thinking
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11:19 - 11:23when it comes to group culture.
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11:23 - 11:27Not long ago, I wrote a post
that's sort of a nighttime guide -
11:27 - 11:30for parents of teenagers in Buenos Aires,
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11:30 - 11:35basically a celebration of the social life
of Buenos Aires teenagers, -
11:35 - 11:38the crazy vampire hours they keep,
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11:38 - 11:43their parties, and their absolute freedom
in the streets of Buenos Aires, -
11:43 - 11:48always surrounded and protected
by their enormous groups of friends. -
11:50 - 11:52The post is slightly sarcastic,
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11:52 - 11:56based on the typical principles
held by Anglo parents -
11:56 - 11:58when it comes to their teenagers:
-
11:58 - 12:03lack of trust and then the issue
of control by parents. -
12:04 - 12:10I just happened to find a recent reference
to it in a British newspaper, -
12:10 - 12:17where a mother in London offers advice
on the basics of teenage parties at home. -
12:17 - 12:21She says: "Don't think
of your teenager as a mini adult. -
12:21 - 12:26Think of it as a lab rat on Ritalin.
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12:26 - 12:30In fact, you should be
around all the time." -
12:30 - 12:35Adults in Anglo cultures
don't trust their kids' ability -
12:35 - 12:39to make decisions, be responsible,
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12:39 - 12:42and above all, learn from their mistakes.
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12:42 - 12:47And I have come to realize
that this is a total contradiction -
12:47 - 12:52of a supposed culture of self-sufficiency
and individual independence. -
12:54 - 13:00What I've learned
from Argentine kids and the group culture, -
13:00 - 13:05is that group culture
has three basic elements: -
13:05 - 13:10emotional support,
no competition, and chaos. -
13:11 - 13:13In combination, these lead to
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13:13 - 13:18self-confidence, maturity,
and constant linguistic negotiation -
13:18 - 13:23that requires them to always talk
on the same level as everyone else. -
13:23 - 13:26This is where I think
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13:26 - 13:31the remarkable communication skills
of Argentine teenagers come from. -
13:33 - 13:37Raising my kids here
has taught me to value the group -
13:39 - 13:41because it truly holds up the individuals,
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13:43 - 13:48and that this has been fostered
throughout their education here, -
13:48 - 13:52both in and outside of school.
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13:53 - 13:57And now, when my friends
in the north are appalled -
13:57 - 14:01because my teenagers
stay out all night long, -
14:01 - 14:05and I still manage to sleep peacefully,
I have this to say to them: -
14:05 - 14:10Argentine teenagers
travel in large groups, -
14:10 - 14:12they look out for each other,
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14:12 - 14:14they organize their own parties,
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14:14 - 14:18renting the venue,
and hiring security themselves. -
14:18 - 14:23They make their own music.
They care about politics. -
14:23 - 14:26And if they trash your house,
after the party's over, -
14:26 - 14:32they clean it up with mops and buckets
in the haze of dawn. -
14:32 - 14:34What's not to trust?
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14:34 - 14:35Thank you very much.
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14:35 - 14:36(Applause)
- Title:
- Group culture: what I've learned from Argentine teenagers | Sarah Smith | TEDxUCES
- Description:
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This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED conferences.
Starting with her first impression of Argentine teenagers and their particular way with words, Sarah Smith shares her experience as a linguist and American mother raising kids in an Argentine school and social setting. She recaps her twins' elementary and high school years in the Buenos Aires school system to talk about cultural differences, notions of individualism, and group culture, and how some of her own ideas about education have changed along the way, particularly the social aspect of it. She ultimately pays tribute to the unique social dynamics of Argentine culture and the remarkable communication skills of the country's adolescents.
After graduating from college, Sarah spent a year in Spain, where she developed a keen interest in both the culture and the process of language acquisition. That experience ultimately led to a Masters degree in Applied Linguistics. She has taught both Spanish and ESL and now runs her own translation group, NEO Language Services. The experience of raising her kids in the US, Spain, and Argentina sparked an interest in comparative education and led Sarah to create a blog, "The other side of the fence." The blog has been an outlet for sharing her observations and experiences throughout her children's education in Buenos Aires schools, and has become a forum for other expat parents in search of information and advice.
- Video Language:
- Spanish
- Team:
closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 14:44