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  1. our weekly video hangout series.
  2. I think... let's see, we started a little bit off
    time so I'll say it again.
  3. Welcome to GV Face, our weekly video hangout series.
  4. Today we are celebrating the 25th birthday
  5. of the World Wide Web. Pretty exciting.
    That was on Wednesday.
  6. We've got a really all-star lineup of guests
  7. on today's program.
  8. Moving from left to right we have
  9. Alan Emtage, a very special guest who is
  10. gonna talk to us about his
  11. very special creation of
  12. the first web browser.
  13. We have Jeremy Clark in Montreal. Jeremy is a technical director at Global Voices.
  14. Josh Levy from Free Press
  15. in Massachusetts in the U.S., and Renata Avila,
  16. campaign manager for The Web We Want
  17. Creative Commons extraordinaire, and
  18. [?] Starr who is joining us from Berlin. Welcome, everybody!
  19. So we wanna just start today's
  20. show by talking a little bit about
  21. the World Wide Web and the Internet, 'cause a lot of people think that they're the same thing
  22. when actually that's not quite true
  23. wanna first turn to Jeremy I'm
  24. and just ask chair could you break it
    down for us
  25. like I thought that the internet was
    invented in the seventies but
  26. if it's the 25th birthday have the
  27. what does that mean okay
  28. well the best place to start I think is
  29. the internet who has existed in various
  30. since the 1970s as he say up but it was
    the web that made it really enter our
  31. homes
  32. and so understanding the relationship is
  33. so the internet was invented by the US
    government in a lot of sense is
  34. a mix of military in science funding I
    that developed the network at the actual
  35. computers
  36. that can communicate with each other
    over wires
  37. arm now another related technology that
  38. also comprise that built into the bad
  39. is called hypertext and that is the
  40. out documents that can link between each
    other immediately
  41. without having I to go and fetch a
    separate document
  42. arm so there were lots of system since
    the nineteen sixties
  43. that we're trying to implement hypertext
    like that to do with an example
  44. up but all of them where commercial
    expensive closed
  45. and none of them were very popular so
    Tim berners-lee
  46. who is the inventor of the Internet I I
  47. though web obviously the World Wide Web
  48. put those two things together by
    building a service that runs
  49. on top of the Internet and he called it
    the World Wide Web
  50. soul what the World Wide Web is is
  51. be decentralized hypertext I
  52. engine that we used I to communicate
  53. computers our web pages so
  54. what makes up web is three things
  55. URL's or you our eyes universal Resource
  56. which are the addresses we use to find
    things on the web
  57. Bob HTML which is the Hypertext Markup
  58. I which is the way that be information
    is stored and sent
  59. so that we can then used browsers to
  60. view HTML and then all the documents
  61. can be understood and then also
  62. they display the links so that the
    Hypertext part if it works and we can
  63. jump around from page to page
  64. I'm the final part is HTTP which is the
    Hypertext Transfer Protocol
  65. which is the communication method by
    which the different computers
  66. can talk to each other and send be
  67. I HTML documents back and forth
    depending on the URL's
  68. arm so when he built it there were some
    very important things that he built into
  69. this system
  70. that didn't exist before and the main
    one is
  71. universal of worship so he always
  72. that anyone would be able to access
    these web pages
  73. and anyone would be able to add their
    own web pages without asking for
  74. permission
  75. I with the X very explicit special
    condition that anyone can link to any
  76. other web page
  77. without permission previous hypertext
  78. required that basically for you to link
    to me I have to accept that link can
  79. probably create a link back to you
  80. and that was the required on the web
    which gives us a lot of freedom to make
  81. the people we who wit wouldn't want us
  82. to be able to link them for example so
    no one can say I'm putting up tree
  83. content but you
  84. can't send your readers here because I
    hate you et cetera
  85. are the other one is that you made it
    completely completely 3
  86. so in the world a mentor in world them
  87. the most free thing is generally
    considered to be the GPL
  88. open source free software licenses and
    Tim berners-lee actually almost use the
  89. GPL because he wanted that what web
    software he was building to be free
  90. but at the last minute yes he changed
    his mind made it call public domain
  91. because in certain ways the GPL is
    actually more respect
  92. restrictive because it forces other
    people like certain commercial actors
  93. wouldn't have wanted to use
  94. web technology if it were GPL so he made
    a full public domain
  95. and then from there when I'm to make all
    of the standard size
  96. open and I general and three as possible
  97. are so that's my extremely brief history
    internet if anyone is curious
  98. he wrote a wonderful book called weaving
    the web about his experiences
  99. as you can see its short and he
  100. highlighted interesting technical
    information in it without
  101. I'll it being overwhelming it's very
    approachable and he's a really
  102. interesting person ended the book is
    much better than his tweets which are
  103. usually
  104. in procuring all
  105. crowded thank coach that's great chair
  106. I mean I think that that helps on in
    conversations about
  107. internet policy in Internet governance
    there's a lot of emphasis
  108. on the ability to kinda creepy
  109. innovate without permission like for
    everybody to
  110. be able to build parks a the web and
  111. and what you just laid out for us makes
    it clear how important
  112. a web peace up the infrastructure is for
  113. for that capacity to become a real
    tangible thing and somebody that
  114. something that now we can do you know we
    don't have to have
  115. technical expertise to kindness build
    our own
  116. our own spaces there I'm so I'm
  117. if I can add just one more thing sorry I
    as want to give a couple examples the
  118. things that happen over the internet
    that arent to bad
  119. because that was the actual I miss a
    question so
  120. one example would be torrents where York
    the cookie to computers connect to each
  121. other
  122. and stream information directly without
    any URL's
  123. being mixed into the process I'm another
    one is email at its core
  124. is its own communication protocol that
    doesn't have to use the web although we
  125. often use
  126. web sites to access and manage our now
  127. arm and then another one was the one
    right before the web came out
  128. them a very popular protocol was called
    go for which
  129. people liked and sort it worked like the
    where'd you just surf around and find
  130. things
  131. but it actually became commercial right
    around the time
  132. that the web came out so people have
    would have had to start paying and
  133. instead of having to pay
  134. they switched to using HTTP a shemale
    and the world but
  135. thank you so I want to move to Alan now
  136. I'm how I couldn't bill the first
  137. search engine
  138. and I'm kinda like
  139. overwhelmed and feel sort of like giddy
    and nervous
  140. having apparently speaker her big deal
  141. I'm salome just I
  142. you could tell us cuz I think a lot of
    people don't know about archie
  143. on it would be really cool just to hear
  144. E all you sir what you were doing that
    made you decide
  145. should to do this and kinda what it was
    like and then
  146. mean everything you've seen sense
  147. where time limited but welcome you know
  148. well arm I well that was lacking that
  149. 19 I 89 and
  150. a I was working out as a system and
    mentorship therefore I am getting worse
  151. there's no cracks chips
  152. McGill University and I'm I A
  153. was responsible for getting all software
    for one on my responsibilities
  154. getting software for the faculty and the
  155. are and at that time there it three
    major protocols on the internet this is
  156. pretty where
  157. I'll was I world's
  158. telnet which would allow you to log into
    a remote machine
  159. email I which allow you to communicate
  160. I with one what we do know 10
  161. me more machines your and
  162. FTP which was the File Transfer Protocol
    which allowed you to move
  163. Wow data files or file was from one
  164. one sheet to another and at the time
    what we had was
  165. people had me it remember it was a non
    commercial Internet
  166. time actually commercial traffic was
    forbidden on the Internet
  167. time because it was run by the National
    Science Foundation
  168. was using educational money and
  169. other than companies with research arms
    like ID and I'll
  170. and HD and those kinds of things we
    didn't have any commercial traffic on
  171. the Internet which
  172. why would a seems kinda amazing to even
    think about
  173. and I so what people who did
  174. were out to provide are three states on
    your machine
  175. remember you know at the time a big a
  176. this will be a megabyte you know I'll
    and so people would provide
  177. common a or depositary still
  178. that that you could deposit I'm
  179. programs that you had written and I'll
    data files
  180. and documents back in stock into the
    central repositories
  181. that will spread around the internet
    that other people can then
  182. you cheaper and so I spend a lot of my
    time trying to locate software
  183. or the information that means that
    students in the Faculty are trying to
  184. find
  185. and I got tired and since I'm easy and
    the geek
  186. I A arm I A I
  187. automated the process a got instead of
    doing it manually
  188. I had a bunch in scripts wake up in the
    middle of the night every night
  189. and go all index these files
  190. now remember all of this was just file
    listings it's not like we will it's not
  191. like a
  192. I'll search engine will be today I if
  193. just I just found it's all it was bonds
  194. and so what they would do with it would
    go out every night
  195. yes all the file names and all the
    repositories allow you to search
  196. those lists a plummets I only used it
    for myself
  197. I only used it I'm for my own
  198. for my own personal use on at one point
    my eyeballs was also
  199. all students at your grad student at
    University I'll
  200. let peter deutsch lettin you know that
  201. I'm somebody was asking for you know to
    date could
  202. somebody tell them where arm
  203. emails pretty creepy software was and
  204. I we from we see
  205. you know he came in ASCII you at this
    database iniki mostly
  206. if I I could help out tonight gave it to
    him in it you know
  207. Pakistan pack a minute later I had the
    information and so he put this
  208. yeah posting online and I'll
  209. people then started asking well you know
  210. can you find this from Ian in all these
    manual request
  211. basically either through email or Usenet
    postings which is what we're using
  212. time and he thought was a silly that's
    not quite doing these things manually
  213. one week just allow people access
  214. to the database itself and in a moment
    of insanity
  215. I we have to come up with a name for it
    and I said okay well let's just call it
  216. archie which is our client without be
    and dad are
  217. and with a no vote so out both here for
  218. we were consuming what's happened all
    high quality traffic to Eastern Canada
  219. on as this search engine became his
  220. you know work now I you you know people
    who know RGR
  221. generally people up a certain age I
    won't mention what what ages but
  222. and it's generally people who were in
    university or working
  223. on the internet so it would have been
    researched people people in academia
  224. I in the early 90s orgiastic for
  225. about I am a.m.
  226. five years for five years %uh and
  227. only in next st PE archives it never
  228. I'll index where now I went on
  229. as or TJ popular and I got one ball in
    the standards policies not gonna stop I
  230. worked
  231. of very closely with Tim berners-lee to
    I am
  232. to standardize for example I did the and
  233. media the standard-setting body to the
    Internet DCI 88
  234. I to standardize URL's because
  235. 10 had come up with a set of above rules
    the world and the
  236. as me looked at expanding that's larger
  237. out %uh resources we realize that what
    rules did not
  238. on a ver all cases so we worked
  239. for our 10 brought that specification
    his original specification to the
  240. to group and we worked on it for I don't
  241. might not see a year or so it come up
    with a standard for you or else so all
  242. of those you're also use
  243. day in and day out world were
    standardized as a result
  244. all what many so it was I it was a
    really exciting time
  245. it was at time out by you know the
    question I always get is why did
  246. I make a billion dollars of a bit and I
    keep reminding people that
  247. are mostly people who are pioneers with
    the accepted Mr
  248. edmark and Jason arm or
  249. didn't make a whole lot of money off
    with the squirrel
  250. the switch in the plains we were working
    in an environment which
  251. I'll put a premium on I'll
  252. you're getting the technology out there
    making it is widely available as
  253. possible
  254. I tens big coup with Sharon which is the
  255. organization that work for when we first
    develop where
  256. was two guests earned to put I'll
  257. the the HDD where software that he
  258. into the public to me all so it wasn't
    even choose to give away
  259. it was surgeons property as it as an
  260. he it was actually belong to Sir and
  261. I she he actually convince them to be
    able to
  262. but in the public domain what's what
    really all
  263. 17 Center with a firearm with the whole
  264. so I'll at the time the the
  265. philosophy behind it it's really let's
    get this out there this is a brave new
  266. world we don't know what's what all this
    technology can be used for
  267. I don't think any of us including 10
    imagine what it would become
  268. a you know he he always had a much
    grander vision a bit
  269. but I don't I I can guarantee you I
    spent many many many many in our
  270. and I with David sandbar is changing it
    then and I can't guarantee you that
  271. he did not suit anymore certain
  272. I'm I should dare and
  273. you know he even he I don't think having
    idea that it would
  274. a CD take over the world attack the
    world's population will be using this
  275. system or
  276. he created twenty years later to anybody
  277. or thank you so much I mean so
  278. speaking and threats yeah it has I'm
  279. changed and I guess
  280. taken over in a way I that me
  281. that mean I'm sure wouldn't have
    expected a
  282. I wanted to now move to Josh
  283. and judge were not I'll cool are both
  284. perini I'll who
  285. very committed involves
  286. leaders and what is now become
  287. a global at for two
  288. mean the way it was surprising in to
    save the Internet or preserve and
  289. protect
  290. to open this on and all up to
  291. right to tree expression access
  292. on and up also privacy that have
  293. that me all would feel are embedded
  294. in the way that it was bill so
  295. Josh I wonder if you could explain to us
    really briefly what
  296. your where your role is in your
    organization and then also
  297. on tell us about the web we want
  298. and explain you know how you think this
  299. rights movement is is shaping up and
  300. and if you can kinda link it with
    everything that Allen just laid out for
  301. us
  302. out to be really wonderful although my
    best so
  303. my name's Josh levy I'm from Free Press
  304. us-based organization we advocate for
  305. better technology media policy that
  306. or an open Internet or better
  307. people in the media including in and an
  308. thats online and for open access
  309. information and this Asian ever talk
  310. anniversary at the web has really
    central to our work because we've been
  311. fighting
  312. for example to you at past
  313. strong mentality policies here in the US
    for years
  314. at basically ever since the issue first
    came up with the mid 2000's
  315. missile big internet service providers
  316. trafficking coming from their
    destinations and
  317. that fight is ongoing the FCC to better
    communications commission here in the US
  318. which
  319. is charged with overseeing
    communications and technology policy
  320. past rules in 2010 they were intended to
    protect me chali but we're passing our
  321. in a way that we knew what was gonna
    hold up in court
  322. anywhere as unfortunately we saw that
  323. happened earlier this year when I court
    in Washington DC
  324. throughout those roles effectively
    throwing out any net neutrality
  325. protections that people have
  326. and so this gets back kinda but Jeremy
    were saying
  327. the internet versus the web right so
    when we're talking about net neutrality
  328. which I have a lot of people
  329. heard about this on Sat that you should
    be able to access
  330. any information on why online without
    anybody getting in the way
  331. out with it that's a big company or the
  332. an that is essentially
  333. that's it a policy that applies to the
    Internet to the ways in which all are
  334. computers connect with each other and we
    have this basic understanding
  335. that the internet should be reno it
    meaning that my computer should be able
  336. next yours into this well networked
    computers without any entity
  337. inspecting the traffic trying to
    understand what you're trying to access
  338. and based on that are in a blog so it
    doesn't like the video watching slowing
  339. it down our
  340. denied application using walking it that
    that should be totally unacceptable we
  341. should be able to net
  342. to whatever we want in whatever way we
    want and that includes using the web
  343. rights to the web
  344. is basically an application that ride
    over the Internet
  345. the internet says global network the
    weather is just one application that
  346. uses that
  347. or network and so it is essential net
    challenged essential using where the
  348. as as we've seen today using the web is
    so essential to all our lives
  349. and big companies and governments have
    so much power over it
  350. bad at the inn block alright things
    political speech
  351. video that you want to watch features a
    cat there so
  352. I'm anyway so that's what the press is
    doing in large part is trying to protect
  353. that notion
  354. net neutrality and wall added that fight
  355. came a number campaign link their at me
  356. stock so it was that bad copyright
    they'll your get your the US
  357. and after that you know realization I
    think here the US around the world that
  358. we are needed
  359. I each other a little bit or those of us
    who have been
  360. advocating for reopen it for a long time
    and so we started doing that
  361. repressed led the development and
    wrapping up something called the
  362. decoration etc reno
  363. which was a simple statement of
    principles out they are right to access
  364. information online
  365. and Adam backing up really fruitful
    relationship with Tim berners-lee
  366. organization the world wide web
  367. and we discussed ways in which we could
    move that effort
  368. forward this you that declaration effort
  369. to involve more troops around the world
    more people around the world
  370. and shit guarantee that we all have
    access to information
  371. and that that access and the principles
    behind it
  372. are not a demanded any one country or
  373. it also added that in this great project
    the web we want which we're not going to
  374. tell you more about
  375. which is seeking to do just that to you
  376. pass laws around the world that will
    protect people's right to access the
  377. internet
  378. into to access content on the web
    without anybody getting in the way
  379. and its its building steam very very
  380. we are working with countries around the
    world developed their own set of
  381. principles regarding the webinar rights
    on it
  382. and organizing lot smarter organizations
    that it really excited
  383. by getting involved in this effort and
    art remote uniting
  384. gross we're all fighting the same by
    departs the world is
  385. had come to light so I let me not to
    tell you more about that
  386. and hello everyone everybody'd 3d
  387. want me here a solo the way we want
  388. it would be set luncheon of a
  389. a very important group of organizations
    FMC society and we'll
  390. mention other then and Eve access
  391. that many of us are from you every EPC
  392. athlete Brett from the US its leader in
    jordan Eberle
  393. the open-source Association dorgan as
  394. and a consumers international
  395. and article nineteen that's the only
    thing about God's mercy O
  396. I V 40 gb/s public knowledge she in the
  397. and me we have the we got the
    confirmation that
  398. Open Knowledge Foundation which has
    affiliate is over
  399. war doing this book ASO
  400. basically they can be what we are trying
    to achieve a here
  401. you do and more from their reactions
    because the
  402. reactions that lets users say you you
    outcropping approach
  403. you have a positive agenda like this a
  404. in different countries and a note so
  405. and what happens is usually the we got
    together let me know and we reacted
  406. badly to his nation be
  407. alls a everybody either and
  408. specific purpose a interest what very
  409. but not so well-informed legislator
  410. and in so you the last
  411. let's say five years we have seen so
    many mobile stations
  412. against against against so we think that
  413. yeses want to have a a reaction bad
    legislation but he's much more effective
  414. the
  415. also people to use the Site a nobody
  416. XTS is a be understood us the whole
  417. 18 works Bentley FB you should be using
    the Internet government but seems as a
  418. few
  419. moline everyone enough I well rights
  420. and so and we would have a deeper and
  421. DVD sandifer Nationals it to achieve
  422. their personal be in Ben's work in
    specific countries
  423. wieder it we a you get all the Advisory
  424. so that there's something going on there
    some movement in society in there so
  425. action there it is sOooo believe the
    country's between the
  426. week at that decided you get that first
  427. and got to use a button and more
    stronger support
  428. from the one a what we won by Jenson
    would be
  429. just bad Indonesia Philippines India
    found that they expressed to you
  430. it with your YouTube the UK Nisha aunty
    react Kenya
  431. and so happy so as you see each other
  432. mostly condition that no one cell
    outside the UK be good you
  433. a saw an opportunity there yes well so
    that every Christian
  434. rights and be very interesting to see
    how the deterioration
  435. rights in the country even had been
    taken in a democratic country villa
  436. in years has been very extreme is that
    is really
  437. affecting the region Anna apart from you
  438. a in Ben's work that we have blended
    national dialogue scene is going to say
  439. warm it well and we have also and we are
  440. 1820 parts of March a meeting routes as
  441. at the meeting Lance %uh it for everyone
    to apply
  442. so you don't need to be an NGO you don't
    need to be a
  443. a an expert like that for these plants
    when we will these
  444. normal people Archies musicians everyone
  445. it to be involved in the simple a.m.
    request once the celebrated are key
  446. or working with but at the same time
    that was celebrated with
  447. the start a conversation on what we do
    what we want what he's in what do you
  448. think that
  449. what a which by any means and which a.m.
  450. for we want it you which way we want to
    protect it with no
  451. wanted that free and open when and so it
    can be something
  452. ass as a symbol that that screen and in
    the published
  453. week space it can be something more
    elaborate it like that like a
  454. well at your local library it can be
    anything you want you can be given that
  455. spoke during the meeting love with Celia
  456. a it dozen people whether whether a
  457. in it for you and what also
  458. we know that we can know the bottom a
    those fighting against
  459. so we have a but it would response a
  460. grants and these rapid response plans
    have for
  461. it we it have I didn't buy that
    sometimes the make some be
  462. happened in its own resources especially
    in some punches in the levels out so
  463. for example did think about that very
    bad surveillance local
  464. last Ian nicaragua so these rapid
  465. a which will be open during the whole
    give me love activist see
  466. nascent me very bad things happen
  467. and we think that if we it got another
  468. people together and we read the
  469. and it lets in the evening get assure PD
    about that
  470. we have a good chance to as she that
    their opinion
  471. our site there's decided rights and so
    that would be open as well
  472. it would be that would be up in the or
    so at my and March
  473. and you will be we may not be too late
    for year
  474. and what we will at she but the end of
    the year is that very interesting
  475. and when it should have experience we
    will see it
  476. and that web it went well
  477. people won't in a specific country with
    more intense the
  478. follow-up mechanism and I N O win as a
    scene which techniques
  479. I did this for rapid response went their
    separate you know of any Burnett
  480. it by adding the collection experiences
    from the rapid response plans
  481. and as a wee wee letter from at ways to
  482. uploader Monique use a in our topics in
    our issues
  483. so I I am very hopeful that especially
  484. very creative activists it went for
  485. I'm ways to engage in a broader public
    because the
  486. need a he's ours and their
  487. future eat the Benson also Serafini and
  488. it people invited me despite more was
    the strong and you get
  489. a a at last I i will.
  490. and we'll elected by everyone to
  491. to being a slick here the way that you
    can gauge to use
  492. i'm nina and need to apply for these
    grants will
  493. not only pure bedford is Lansing to make
    in 20
  494. I it you only if you want to write an
  495. you are an expert in specific topics it
    he's great articles
  496. News shared knowledge with people and
    peace it engage in that
  497. them yet but that the egos headed
  498. here where author sauce and the Internet
    offers those
  499. use them for two people communicate and
    panicking and borders and they've been
  500. there
  501. it's lonely here a.m. the list that
  502. it which is not that a website but he
    said that
  503. on and made of the connecti that he's
    ready to
  504. jumper and and do
  505. think actions to say that with any
    moment that using in the
  506. let so yes
  507. what's it you well
  508. thanks that's really I think it's great
    to serve to have that out there for
  509. people to understand
  510. all the way so they can get involved
  511. wanting right so in thinking about how
    can we make
  512. a little show today that would celebrate
    the web
  513. I couldn't help but think about Global
  514. because that's what brings us all
    together here
  515. and I think that our community and so
    many ways
  516. I mean we couldn't exist we wouldn't
    exist without the web
  517. but doctor also so many on particular
  518. attributes ovett in when it comes to
    access and openness that
  519. allow us to do all the things that we do
    like including this
  520. hang out right now I'm so I wanted to
  521. although we're really short on time so
    I'm gonna have to asking to be super
  522. presh
  523. but chair you I kinda I said is there
    could you talk
  524. a little bit about what with if you look
    at Global Voices
  525. answered the way that it's grown-up on
  526. with the Internet you've been here since
    the beginning so you can kinda wish
  527. just tell us tell us a bit
  528. okay well I I actually haven't been
  529. where at Global Voices since the very
  530. but I joined near the start so maybe you
    can see on my screen
  531. Global Voices we started actually in
  532. I and one of the great things about the
  533. is that it was started
  534. quickly in easily I by ethan Zuckerman
  535. arm who set up the original site I
  536. along with Rebecca MacKinnon who out
    worked on the idea content and so
  537. they actually used word press which is
    this system we still use today
  538. and which is very similar to the web in
    a lot of sense is
  539. I because it's a distributed project
    people all around the world develop it
  540. its open source and it's free and it is
  541. not by convenience but by very explicit
    philosophy and they're very active in
  542. defending Mac
  543. arm and also in another way I originally
  544. I at the time there was a very popular
    free software called movable type
  545. which became commercial and instead sign
    a paper at people
  546. switch to Word Press I'm so this was our
    original website
  547. we later redesigned it several times I
  548. and over the years we have grown with
  549. I Word Press to at take advantage of the
    new features
  550. and I keep running our site and sell
    running are
  551. our whole infrastructure on this very
    decentralized open source model has been
  552. I really rewarding experience for us are
    just as
  553. using the web has then obviously I there
    what are the most interesting
  554. things is that Global Voices is all
    about the web without the web without
  555. that
  556. decentralized of the ship anyone can
    write to it there would be no Global
  557. Voices
  558. the whole point in little ways as well
    as to recognize that people all over the
  559. world were taking advantage of the
    benefits of the web
  560. and create one place where you can find
    it sort of like a archie wise
  561. I with GE pre web telnet days
  562. a archive things happening all around
  563. I've got Google Voice is dead arm
  564. so yeah no and
  565. you know we've tried a lot of different
    infrastructure based around the web over
  566. the years
  567. I we you strip all reviews a lot of
    different online service that is
  568. obviously like everyone else
  569. the temptation to take advantage of
    Google's free offerings has always been
  570. are part of Global Voices DNA we use
    Google mailing lists we use
  571. I all the different things that they
    make for free
  572. which is an interesting part of the web
    because it's not the web that Google
  573. just happening to give it away but at
    the company they have a tendency to
  574. follow the spirit of the web
  575. I even though they're doing so for
    commercial reasons
  576. up but yeah that Mike
  577. it very brief summary of the history
    always given how to parallel the web
  578. thank you I'm afraid we're gonna have to
    wrap up now but
  579. just to do that I wanted to ask for
  580. a couple love kinda final thoughts um
  581. from from Allen and perhaps also Josh
  582. I'm Alan I guess I'm I'm especially
  583. interested in if there are kinda
    thoughts that you have on all of the
  584. activism and advocacy that's taking
    place around
  585. fundamental rights on the internet kinda
    from from
  586. your own
  587. unique historical perspective and then
  588. I wanted to close on by asking or not
    it's just tell
  589. ass very little bit about Basle
  590. I'm since there's also an important
    anniversary this weekend
  591. %uh so I'm gonna just let you guys go
    and then we will
  592. close-up won't end well arm
  593. you know I'll I have I haven't been
  594. awesome activists for a for a quite some
    time now
  595. year a sort of bernard hogan-howe patrol
  596. I'll lying around the globe and and at
    the mall except maybe the nineties
  597. I but I certainly is its to pay a lot of
    attention to that stuff
  598. a I am currently in Barbados right now
  599. and down it has been really interesting
  600. trying out for one example trying to
    access content
  601. from United States om all your
    entertainment content action star
  602. and II manual to study read but
  603. a real it but in in practice the
  604. antiquated models I'll %uh of content
  605. that we are still holding onto om in
    this day in age
  606. where no geographical boundaries and
    national boundaries not
  607. on Sat are still very much at once
    entropies business models
  608. a get you know our are not things like
  609. but our internet esta whiten way at it
  610. well I see no music industry a seamless
    happen now for
  611. ethnic I'm I would certainly from the
  612. on you in terms of keeping the the
    Internet I'm freaking
  613. and unavailable its are it's going to be
    a real challenge I mean it's such a
  614. important technology now and you have
    things like a great
  615. wall are the Great Firewall of China
    Omni power
  616. you know russia recently as a while
    yesterday today
  617. shutting down I'll using got new laws to
    shut down access to
  618. guess at I against hooting I'll
  619. you know this getting reelected are I'm
  620. egypt was a real wake-up call for a lot
    of people on the use of social
  621. networking
  622. I'll juju organize an activity on
  623. people and bring them up onto the sheets
    so governments are scared this
  624. technology
  625. and it's important that we worked really
    hard to keep it is
  626. this reason is because they realize that
    not for me chin
  627. are you talking to mention you control
    the people so I'm
  628. I think it is a strange journey partner
    people I
  629. let's just do not want to continue to
    work are very hard to you
  630. to stop the battle Austin form below the
  631. summer just another eight rats I mean
    you know never ascribe to malice what
  632. will be
  633. ascribed to incompetence and on these
    people are just incompetent not not
  634. malicious
  635. I'll but they are people who are
    malicious as well so we have to deal
  636. with them as well
  637. but top it's you know it's vitally
    important the yes
  638. I nowadays not be these technologies
  639. at the core or culture and the way we
    communicate on may
  640. I me others at 10 quickly at
  641. I think that we read in your interesting
    moment where
  642. so many basic knowledge the
  643. importance on the internet and no
    nowhere ands
  644. be impact it's had a on every aspect of
  645. culture and and because of that I think
    we as the
  646. users at the where into the internet
  647. a duty to hold the government
  648. governments around the world in
    companies around the world accountable
  649. and to you its
  650. urge them and pressure them to protect
    the openness
  651. that lies at the core I'll this entire
  652. name and to protect not just openness
  653. also this notion 0 comments thats
  654. I in our opinion quickly being lost
  655. this notion that the that the internet
    and that the web are
  656. I'll are publicly on and that
  657. it the activity that takes place on them
    as activity that we
  658. undertake net me it that is ours and
    that is not baby
  659. mean up the big companies on his
  660. me undertake the activity so for example
  661. google has allowed us to do a lot of
    things Google
  662. lost by a lot of information extremely
  663. to connect to each other extremely well
    he is not working at
  664. are doing right now but Google's doing
    all this and
  665. at while mining the data to get
  666. selling of that data that data is also
    creating this historic all
  667. record up everything then search
    warrants a online which has been no
  668. exploited by governments but also by
    companies as I think it's time for us to
  669. think about that relationship between us
  670. and these big companies which is
    becoming essential part of our
  671. online experience and have to me the
    centralized that happen we
  672. decouple ourselves from these giant
    companies and take back
  673. or should I wear so that we are all in
    this experience in a deeper way and that
  674. it's not and experience is purely
    commercial and a commercial transaction
  675. between us and
  676. and if a company so that that's a big
    question spent eight years for travel it
  677. right solutions but we're hoping that we
    can start it our station now
  678. well now now I'm not and now and we go
    back to something that
  679. germs set and he left a but that he met
    means that you did in the
  680. border Canadian border because the
  681. and now with a while I want to talk
    about the set that up
  682. at the end of the day yourself we've
  683. a number of people who can actually
  684. eat some countries and not control the
    internet but you see
  685. Eden you understand the infrastructure
    and use it in a way
  686. that the weekend increase public who and
    they can
  687. to help people in extreme situations and
    10 did
  688. it these people he said my friend but he
    kept happy
  689. battle back to lead the Internet
  690. Mathai said a and palestinian Syrian
  691. and he said i think is the food culture
    and your clothes he said you know he's
  692. not that he had not super nationalist
  693. you keep keep he had trouble lol
  694. here Rams over two were and he liked
    that he likes to spend time
  695. and learning how things water I'll in
    separate so that you think will
  696. the computers and he has learned it
    himself healthy
  697. up to the gold that it brings the own
  698. then he was a he knows a lot about
    hardware as well and he knows and
  699. about we coach or and and he said I'm
  700. and when he so hey there You or was he
    so all these
  701. wonderful things happen and and said he
    thought the
  702. Britain's the create hacker space in the
  703. I don't know how translation what's what
    in the
  704. apparently hackerspace what's a very
    scary Lord forgive CBN
  705. as is to be and you don't answer me
  706. and they saw it as a threat the people
    in power grid technology acid great
  707. who don't plan to control people paso's
  708. here on the 15 up December
  709. two years ago they hackerspace with
  710. all the computers where they cannot wait
    all the things with this month opened
  711. him up
  712. and united in wanna be set up Syrian
    please looking at that
  713. reedy reader only goal well the nato the
  714. nuclear weapons or something like that
    %uh and
  715. 73 he have enough a weighty and he had
  716. recently was that he see West the
  717. in a very very bad reason so did
  718. orchard treatment but then he was a
    things through that book I feel
  719. at thousands of people he was it we
  720. her back to his VM recent we each
  721. you can imagine how even deep is the
    civilian prison
  722. how is this looks like and you he said a
  723. the conditions get but worse
  724. a that goes by and the Syrian government
  725. out all were resources the last people
  726. feed the last people they would take
    care all are the prisoners
  727. on the book that last release it has a a
    health condition
  728. he's all relief that but
  729. me yeah what we me happy intrepid
    building at least it two years
  730. is the keeping baseball and didn't keep
    reminding him that we haven't forgotten
  731. and to keep reminded you that we yeah
  732. in braided values that he embraces the
    that support the cause is that he
  733. seen supports school a been up to
  734. think you know the you know just been
    saddened but nothing
  735. we have been deeply baffled they the 15
    of March
  736. what some things are already starting
    today and what we want is that joint
  737. action
  738. a Bleezy mean and
  739. you can be it do remember bottle and not
    only battle
  740. but remember Syria because it seems that
    because if the new laws media's
  741. it we don't we don't be a hear about
    Syria and more
  742. I mean it's is like good in December
    been on the popular
  743. and we we will if we got some timely
  744. were OK and something is good but
    neither the symbol
  745. have well but then a vote no on the
    suffering and together we to
  746. wood bats and I'm not sober system
  747. computer experts and had a fierce
  748. what I recent so that we only care about
    journalists in others lots of people
  749. that somebody will people
  750. for the future Syria and who would
    increase in our
  751. what the we need our solidarity
  752. I mean let's elect to even you're
    leaving a gun T
  753. air which has received a Syrian refugees
  754. you show your solidarity I know that
    share on your computer
  755. mind some appealing but maybe go won the
    nineteen a computer
  756. with internet access this refugee camp
    so they can
  757. stay in touch with their reluctance that
    growth may be
  758. do enough to shark tall coach ashore
  759. your day I think that that there was no
    with ways who
  760. help battle because that's what what but
    it probably will be between if you must
  761. be
  762. so my feeling is that not forget Syria
  763. not forget that so that free internet if
  764. up the internet with the bath and this
    year and that's
  765. we might want action what is the web she
  766. where many about on so there is a lot of
    work to do
  767. I'm and there are lots of ways to get
  768. Street right about I think you everybody
    so much
  769. for coming on today and um
  770. we hope to see you everybody here and
  771. out there next week on GB face thanks so