Douglas Rushkoff - Computers for Humans
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0:00 - 0:07♪[Jazz music]♪
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0:07 - 0:09So yeah, being one of the first
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0:09 - 0:14net culture or computers in society writers
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0:14 - 0:19was, strategically, a poor move for me.
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0:20 - 0:22And I'm living proof, though,
 you can still survive it,
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0:22 - 0:27if you can get through it somehow,
 by answering e-mail more slowly
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0:29 - 0:30It's funny,
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0:30 - 0:33I wrote some notes because I thought
 I should be responsible,
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0:33 - 0:36because you guys are real computer studies,
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0:36 - 0:38computer science people,
 as opposed to just,
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0:39 - 0:40you know,
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0:40 - 0:45your average,
 digitally illiterate audience.
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0:46 - 0:50So I don't really need to make the case
 - I probably don't -
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0:50 - 0:54on why learning something about
 digital technology is a smart thing,
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0:54 - 0:57because you guys have already
 made that choice.
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0:59 - 1:03But something that occurred to me
 on the way here, actually,
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1:03 - 1:06that you might not realize as young people
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1:06 - 1:09if you don't mind being called that
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1:11 - 1:14...is that it's very hard to get
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1:14 - 1:19an accurate sense of the biases
 of the digital media environment...
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1:19 - 1:23...when you've been raised inside it.
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1:23 - 1:29In other words, what I want
 to suggest to you is that
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1:29 - 1:35those of us who are old enough to have
 experienced and consciously experienced
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1:35 - 1:42the shift from a pre-digital media
 environment to a digital media environment
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1:42 - 1:43actually
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1:44 - 1:47understand something or sense something
 or experience something
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1:47 - 1:51
 about the biases of digital technology
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1:51 - 1:56that is relatively difficult for those
 of you who have been raised
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1:56 - 1:58with digital technology to get.
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1:58 - 2:02Right now this is the opposite argument
 I made through most of my career.
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2:02 - 2:06In 1995, I wrote a book called,
 Playing the Future, where I argued that,
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2:06 - 2:08"Don't worry, you grown ups!
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2:08 - 2:11Digital technology is coming
 and you feel overwhelmed.
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2:11 - 2:15But you guys are digital immigrants
 whereas kids are digital natives.
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2:15 - 2:19So you'll speak the language like
 an immigrant, they'll speak like a native.
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2:19 - 2:21You're always going to feel
 slightly out of place and unsure,
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2:21 - 2:24and every time you have a hypertext link,
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2:24 - 2:27you're gonna be a disoriented
 because we're not used to that,
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2:27 - 2:30whereas kids are going to experience
 that very naturally.
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2:30 - 2:33That what looks disjointed to us,
 will be a natural terrain for them.
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2:33 - 2:37And they will have command,
 don't worry, the kids are alright."
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2:37 - 2:42But as I've grown older, and
 as I've watched where cyberspace has gone,
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2:42 - 2:45and where our culture has gone, or hasn't,
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2:46 - 2:52I realize that some of my elders were
 actually more right about this than I was.
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2:52 - 2:53And in reading all the
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2:53 - 2:57finally catching up
 with who I was supposed to read,
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2:57 - 3:01when I was younger, McCluen and Ong,
 and all the great media theorists.
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3:01 - 3:05I would read about the digital or
 the media environments,
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3:05 - 3:07and this notion that McCluen had that,
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3:07 - 3:12if you ask a fish about water he wouldn't
 be able to tell you what it is, right?
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3:12 - 3:18Because the fish is swimming in the water.
 The fish not aware of the water.
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3:18 - 3:21If you ask someone who is raised
 in a television environment,
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3:21 - 3:23"Oh, what about the impact of television
 on you?"
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3:23 - 3:25You can't say it because you're living
 in it.
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3:25 - 3:28You're living in that media environment.
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3:29 - 3:32Likewise, those of us who are living in
 a digital media environment,
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3:32 - 3:36it's very difficult for us
 to parse its effect,
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3:36 - 3:39for us to feel what it is
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3:39 - 3:42for us to understand the difference
 between
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3:43 - 3:45what it is to be a human being
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3:45 - 3:50and what it is to be a digital being.
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3:50 - 3:51And
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3:53 - 3:59being able to parse it, though,
 being able to begin to look at that
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3:59 - 4:03What Norbert Weinert used to call,
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4:03 - 4:05"the human use of human beings."
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4:05 - 4:08He was one of the first people to talk
 about cybernetics
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4:08 - 4:10I think he invented the word, actually,
 back when, cybernetics.
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4:10 - 4:13Even though it got stolen.
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4:13 - 4:17He was really looking at as we develop
 a computer environment,
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4:17 - 4:19how will we recognize the difference
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4:19 - 4:21between humans and the machines
 that we're in?
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4:21 - 4:25How will we understand how to create
 a human,
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4:25 - 4:29or a humanity-encouraging,
 digital media environment?
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4:31 - 4:36Now the reason why I think this
 is important is because most of my peers
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4:36 - 4:39strongly disagree with this sentiment
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4:39 - 4:42Most of my peers, and call them
 the sort of,
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4:42 - 4:45the Negroponte, Kevin Kelley,
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4:45 - 4:48Wired Magazine, Chris Anderson,
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4:49 - 4:55all the way to Ray Kurzwhile
 on that spectrum, Clay Shirkey.
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4:55 - 4:59There's this sense, and I used to have
 some of it,
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4:59 - 5:03this sort of letter ripped sense
 about technology
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5:03 - 5:06that is uncomfortably consonant with
 corporate capitalism.
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5:06 - 5:08But that's another story.
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5:08 - 5:09That
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5:09 - 5:12human beings are merely one stage
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5:12 - 5:17in information's inevitable evolution
 towards greater states of complexity.
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5:17 - 5:20And they tell this very compelling story
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5:20 - 5:24about the beginning of time all the way
 through now.
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5:24 - 5:28That matter has been groping
 toward greater states of complexity.
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5:28 - 5:33That we had atoms became molecules
 and molecules became
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5:33 - 5:37sort of these weird pre-proto-life things
 which became cells
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5:37 - 5:40and now we have this whole life thing
 that happened.
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5:40 - 5:42And life got very complex
 through evolution
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5:42 - 5:43and we had people
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5:43 - 5:45And people built machines,
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5:45 - 5:50and machines are just sort of in that big
 blue, overtake humanity moment.
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5:51 - 5:52And when they do,
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5:52 - 5:57then machines, our computers, our networks
 will be the real host
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5:57 - 5:59for the evolution of information
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5:59 - 6:02and we human beings can tend
 to those machines
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6:02 - 6:05or, at best, upload our consciousness
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6:05 - 6:08and then they will continue that journey
 for us.
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6:09 - 6:12You know, and each one has
 a different metaphor for explaining it
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6:12 - 6:15You know, whether it's Kevin talking about
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6:15 - 6:18what technology wants, right?
 What technology wants,
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6:18 - 6:20like it really wants.
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6:20 - 6:23It's not bias towards something, but
 it wants something,
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6:23 - 6:25we've made this thing.
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6:25 - 6:28Just as God made people,
 people made technology,
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6:28 - 6:31and this child will go on
 wanting something.
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6:32 - 6:35Or Ray Kurzwhile who will talk
 about the singularity,
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6:35 - 6:40which I'm sure you've all read
 or heard about, even on,
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6:40 - 6:44if you find out about it in Vice Magazine
 or anything, at this point
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6:44 - 6:47The idea that technology reaches
 this point of,
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6:48 - 6:52not self-consciousness or self-awareness
 necessarily, but it just surpasses us
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6:52 - 6:55It becomes this thing and can keep going.
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6:57 - 6:58It's a...
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7:01 - 7:05for me it's a discomforting view
 of humanity
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7:05 - 7:09but it's also, I would argue,
 an incorrect one, you know?
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7:09 - 7:12It's one that is...
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7:13 - 7:19it's one that is the result of living
 unconsciously in a digital media environment
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7:19 - 7:23It's one where you let the digital media
 environment dictate
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7:23 - 7:25what you are and how you think
 about the world
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7:25 - 7:28rather than maintaining some
 sense of humanity in that.
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7:28 - 7:30So, what's interesting to me
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7:30 - 7:34as I look at the history of computing,
 which now we have
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7:34 - 7:37and as we look at computers in society,
 which is a real thing.
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7:37 - 7:40I mean, 20 years ago, 10 years ago,
 when we taught courses like this,
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7:40 - 7:42it was futurism.
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7:42 - 7:44Computers in Society was a course in,
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7:44 - 7:46"What's it gonna be like someday
 when people have e-mail?"
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7:46 - 7:49I mean, there were times, and I'm sure
 you were in those conversations
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7:49 - 7:52when people like me used to go
 to a cocktail party
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7:52 - 7:55or go to a publisher,
 or explain to a magazine editor.
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7:55 - 7:58Someday people are going to have
 their own computers
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7:58 - 8:01They are gonna send messages to eachother
 using little text editors
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8:01 - 8:03using, you know, word processors,
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8:03 - 8:06and they would literally laugh us
 out of the room.
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8:06 - 8:11They did not, it seemed so outrageous,
 that - Or they'd walk around
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8:11 - 8:13No, you're not gonna have
 to implant chips in people,
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8:13 - 8:16they're gonna walk around with phones that
 are gonna track them everywhere they go
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8:16 - 8:17they're gonna do this voluntarily
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8:17 - 8:20They're gonna give all their information .
 No one believed us.
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8:20 - 8:22But, of course that happened.
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8:22 - 8:26But, the thing to me that's interesting
 about computer history,
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8:26 - 8:29if we're gonna follow it from
 the history of humanity
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8:29 - 8:31rather than the history of
 technology, right?
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8:31 - 8:36Let's not worry about paper tape
 to punch cards to tape to discs
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8:36 - 8:39to hard drives to RAM.
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8:39 - 8:41Let's not worry about machine evolution.
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8:41 - 8:44But you look at the difference
 in people, right?
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8:44 - 8:50If we look at history as the human story
 rather than the story of stuff
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8:51 - 8:53then the interesting thing becomes
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8:53 - 9:02the big switch, I think, is the shift from
 a pre-literate to a literate society.
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9:02 - 9:05When we look at the impact of
 the printing press.
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9:05 - 9:07Do we talk about it in terms of
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9:07 - 9:10"Oh, look!
 These rooms filled up with books!"
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9:10 - 9:12No, that's not the part
 that's interesting.
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9:12 - 9:15The part that is interesting is
 people learned to read
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9:15 - 9:17and then when they learned to read,
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9:17 - 9:20they had personal interpretations
 of the Bible, right?
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9:20 - 9:23We had a Protestant Reformation
 with people rebelling against the Church
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9:23 - 9:25We had the idea of "one man, one vote"
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9:25 - 9:27because everyone has
 their own perspective.
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9:27 - 9:29It coincided with prospective painting.
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9:29 - 9:31It coincided with central banking.
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9:31 - 9:34And all of these other, very...
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9:35 - 9:37analogous
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9:38 - 9:42human inventions that were all about
 people having individual perspectives,
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9:42 - 9:44"one man, one vote"
 it led to the Enlightenment
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9:44 - 9:46and all this other stuff consumerism,
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9:46 - 9:49Industrial Era and everything else.
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9:49 - 9:53When we look at digital technology
 I think we have to look at it that way.
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9:53 - 9:55In other words, what is
 the difference between
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9:55 - 10:00a pre-literate digital society and
 a post-literate digital society?
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10:00 - 10:04You know, I'm over arguing for
 digital literacy.
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10:04 - 10:08I think digital literacy is inevitable,
 you know?
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10:08 - 10:12I feel like I'm making that - when I...
 it's my main talk that I do.
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10:12 - 10:13It's like "Programmer be programmed!"
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10:13 - 10:15And I wrote this book,
 Programmer Be Programmed.
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10:15 - 10:17We have to learn to program.
 If you don't learn how to program,
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10:17 - 10:21you're just swimming blindly
 in a sea of information.
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10:21 - 10:24Kids don't understand the biases
 of the technologies they use.
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10:24 - 10:25If you ask a kid
 what Facebook's for,
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10:25 - 10:28he'll say Facebook's here
 to help him make friends.
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10:28 - 10:29But we all know Facebook is
 really not here
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10:29 - 10:32it's really here to monetize
 the social graft and all that.
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10:33 - 10:36And then arguing,
 the Chinese are gonna come and take our military
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10:36 - 10:39and the Iranians are gonna take
 our banking and we gotta take something
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10:39 - 10:43any argument I can to try to have schools
 teach basic digital literacy in elementary schools
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10:43 - 10:47junior schools and high schools,
 so that we're not stupid. which we are
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10:51 - 10:55And it's like arguing, you imagine when
 they invented text
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10:55 - 10:59Oh we're gonna have to learn 22 letters
 which is 22 letter alphabet at the time
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10:59 - 11:02we're gonna have to learn these letters
 in order to read
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11:02 - 11:05Well, let the rabbis read,
 let the kings read, but the people don't
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11:05 - 11:07have to read, do we, we regular people. yes.
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11:07 - 11:10it's like people are so confused
 on this angle
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11:10 - 11:15but we will win this part war.
 just as people learned how to use e-mail
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11:15 - 11:20and people decided to use phones
 people will eventually, we will teach kids
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11:20 - 11:26how to use digital technology
 they won't be completely blind
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11:26 - 11:30the misperception now is that
 learning how to program is kind of like
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11:30 - 11:33becoming an auto mechanic
 it's like "well I can drive a car"
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11:33 - 11:35"why do I need to know how
 it actually works"
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11:36 - 11:39We're not talking about the difference
 between an allround mechanic and a driver
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11:39 - 11:42we're talking about the difference between
 a driver and a passenger
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11:42 - 11:45a programmer is the user of the machine
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11:45 - 11:48If you don't understand the code
 you're not using the machine
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11:48 - 11:53You are the used You are maybe the customer
 but you're not the producer
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11:54 - 11:58And that's where you get to the real biases
 of the digital age
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11:58 - 12:01which are easy for those of us who are
 around before that to get
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12:01 - 12:06The bias of the digital age,
 of the digital era is toward production
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12:06 - 12:10That's why it's digital
 where do we even get the word digits from
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12:10 - 12:13Digits are the fingers.
 They were ten fingers. Digital
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12:13 - 12:19This is digital media.
 This is media that is constructivist
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12:19 - 12:22It's media that you make stuff with
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12:22 - 12:26The media before digital
 was all receive only
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12:27 - 12:31It was all... they were no
 Do you still read write-only
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12:31 - 12:35read only files. Is that still existing?
 Oh good
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12:35 - 12:38For me, when I understood what digital was
 was the first time
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12:38 - 12:43when I was asked to save a file
 on the Princeton mainframe computer
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12:43 - 12:45And you had to save a file
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12:45 - 12:47this is before we used papertape to save
 your program
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12:47 - 12:49when you actually could save to a disc
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12:49 - 12:52And it asked me "is this gonna be a
 read-only file?"
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12:52 - 12:55Is this gonna be a restricted file or
 read-only file or a read/write file?
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12:55 - 12:59And all of a sudden I went
 "Oh my god"
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12:59 - 13:03You mean all of this time they could have
 been saving this stuff as read/write
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13:03 - 13:07And I looked back at the media
 that I had been exposed to
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13:07 - 13:11I mean, I was a Brady bunch kid
 and television was a read-only medium
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13:11 - 13:15television and radio, all the broadcast
 medium, all the book, everything I got
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13:15 - 13:19these were read-only media
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13:20 - 13:23and now I was stepping into a world where
 we had read/write media
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13:23 - 13:27Where everything that was put out there
 if it wasn't being made changeable by me
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13:28 - 13:32Then it was a conscious choice of
 the author to restrict that changeability
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13:32 - 13:38but the bias was towards me being able
 to copy that file and change it
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13:38 - 13:42Or not even copy it, just change the file
 that was already there
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13:44 - 13:48And that kind of flipped it around
 that's when I realized
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13:48 - 13:53"Oh my gosh. if this really works
 If digital technology really happens
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13:53 - 13:59Then it will be as big a change on human
 society as text itself
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13:59 - 14:02It's gonna be that big a flip
 And text was a big flip
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14:02 - 14:06When we got text
 when we got the 22 letter alphabet
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14:06 - 14:10We got contracts, we got accountability
 We got the judeo-christian religion
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14:11 - 14:12We got linear time
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14:12 - 14:16We got cause and effect ultimately
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14:16 - 14:20Text allowed us to put something down
 and leave and someone else could read it
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14:21 - 14:22it changed...
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14:22 - 14:25if you think about the difference between
 an oral civilization
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14:25 - 14:28where other people have to be in the room
 with you to get something
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14:29 - 14:33and a text civilization where you can
 leave it, go and then someone else finds it
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14:33 - 14:35all of a sudden everything is different
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14:35 - 14:40This shift that we are undergoing now is
 as big as that
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14:40 - 14:44and what happens is a -
 certainly the last 600 years
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14:44 - 14:48but probably the last 2000 years of
 emphasis towards
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14:49 - 14:53sort of a top-down control of
 not just civilizations
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14:54 - 14:58but organizations, families and
 pretty much every thing
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14:58 - 15:04and religion's changes to
 a bottom-up, peer-to-peer conncected
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15:08 - 15:11not just sensibility but organizational
 structure
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15:12 - 15:17And it doesn't seem like a big deal
 if you are in it
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15:17 - 15:21It seems like a very if you lived
 in a world that couldn't imagine it
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15:22 - 15:26The only way people were able to imagine
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15:26 - 15:30Something like the digital reality before
 we had digital reality
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15:30 - 15:32were psychedelics people.
 those were the people
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15:32 - 15:35It was Ken Kesey and the merry pranksters
 and Timothy Leary and those guys
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15:35 - 15:37getting people to drop acid
 so they could see
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15:37 - 15:41"Oh I get it, it's all connected"
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15:41 - 15:44People would go off to Tibet and hang out
 with a Lama and learn Buddhism
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15:44 - 15:46And go "Oh it's all one, every thing is
 one"
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15:46 - 15:49But it didn't seem real. It was like
 that was some weird spiritual other thing
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15:50 - 15:52It is if you to look at your computer
 history
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15:52 - 15:56It's why psychedelics people were hired by
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15:56 - 15:59Sun, Northrop and Intel
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15:59 - 16:00In the early mid eighties
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16:00 - 16:04Because they were the only people who were
 capable of programming
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16:04 - 16:07They were the only people who were really
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16:07 - 16:10them and children were the only one
 who could grasp
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16:10 - 16:12this kind of bizarre hallucinatory reality
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16:12 - 16:15but it was that different
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16:15 - 16:19And it is why so much of the psychedelic
 bandwagon, including Stewart Brand
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16:19 - 16:23who was kind of the publicist for
 the Merry Pranksters, Ken Keseys
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16:23 - 16:27it was a big 1960s thing called
 the Merry Pranksters
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16:27 - 16:31Which was a kind of...
 It was propaganda for
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16:31 - 16:35the acid enlightenment of that period
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16:35 - 16:37He became Stewart Brand of
 the Global Business Network
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16:37 - 16:41It's Stewart Brand who started
 or co-started the well for
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16:41 - 16:44The first online bulletin board
 and really told the counter culture
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16:44 - 16:48It is okay, what led to the homebrew
 computer club and apple computers
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16:48 - 16:52which was, again, a psychedelic invention
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16:52 - 16:56These were two Reed College acidheads [who]
 came up with it on a bong stained carpet
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16:56 - 16:58of their dorm room
- Title:
- Douglas Rushkoff - Computers for Humans
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    more » « lessDOUGLAS RUSHKOFF talk "Computers for Humans" in the Computers & Society Speaker Series at the Courant Institute NYC on Nov 27 2012. Users do not know how to program their computers, nor do they care. They spend much more time and energy trying to figure out how to use them to program one another, instead. And this is a potentially grave mistake. Just as the invention of text utterly transformed human society, disconnecting us from much of what we held sacred, our migration to the digital realm will also require a new template for 
 maintaining our humanity. In this talk, Dr. Douglas Rushkoff -- author of Program or Be Programmed, Life Inc, and the upcoming Present Shock, shares the biases of digital media, and what that means for how we should use and make them.Additional Camera: Brittany Vanbibber PUNKCAST 2115 http://isoc-ny.org/p2/4502 Webcast Support: NYI http://nyi.net 
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