< Return to Video

What we don’t know about Europe’s Muslim kids and why we should care | Deeyah Khan | TEDxExeter

  • 0:12 - 0:18
    When I was a child,
    I knew I had superpowers.
  • 0:18 - 0:20
    That’s right.
  • 0:20 - 0:25
    I thought I was absolutely amazing because
    I could understand and relate to
  • 0:25 - 0:30
    the feelings of brown people like
    my grandfather, a conservative Muslim guy,
  • 0:30 - 0:35
    and also I could understand
    my Afghan mother and Pakistani father,
  • 0:35 - 0:39
    not so religious but
    laid back, fairly liberal.
  • 0:39 - 0:43
    And of course I could understand and
    relate to the feelings of white people,
  • 0:43 - 0:46
    the white Norwegians of my country.
  • 0:46 - 0:51
    You know white, brown,
    whatever, I loved them all.
  • 0:51 - 0:54
    I understood them all even if they
    didn’t always understand each other
  • 0:54 - 0:56
    They were all my people.
  • 0:56 - 0:59
    My father though was
    always really worried.
  • 0:59 - 1:03
    He kept saying that,
    even with the best education
  • 1:03 - 1:09
    I was not going to get a fair shake,
    I would face discrimination,
  • 1:09 - 1:12
    according to him, and the only way
    to be accepted by white people
  • 1:12 - 1:14
    would be to become famous.
  • 1:14 - 1:19
    Now mind you, he had this conversation
    with me when I was seven years old.
  • 1:19 - 1:23
    So, while I’m seven years old he said
  • 1:23 - 1:26
    'Look, so its either got to be sports
    or its got to be music.'
  • 1:26 - 1:30
    He didn’t know anything about sports,
    bless him, so it was music.
  • 1:30 - 1:34
    So when I was seven years old
    he gathered al my toys, all my dolls,
  • 1:34 - 1:37
    and he threw them all away.
  • 1:37 - 1:44
    In exchange he gave me a crappy little
    Casio keyboard, and singing lessons,
  • 1:44 - 1:49
    and forced me to practice for hours
    and hours every single day.
  • 1:49 - 1:53
    Very quickly he also had me performing
    for larger and larger audiences,
  • 1:53 - 2:00
    and bizarrely I became almost a poster
    child for Norwegian multiculturalism.
  • 2:00 - 2:05
    I felt very proud of course because
    even the newspapers at this point
  • 2:05 - 2:07
    were starting to write
    nice things about brown people,
  • 2:07 - 2:11
    so I could feel that
    my superpower was growing.
  • 2:11 - 2:16
    So when I was 12 years old walking home
    from school I took a little detour
  • 2:16 - 2:19
    because I wanted to buy
    my favourite sweets called 'salty feet'.
  • 2:19 - 2:21
    I absolutely loved them.
  • 2:21 - 2:26
    On my way into the store, there was this
    grown white guy in the doorway
  • 2:26 - 2:34
    blocking my way, so I tried to walk around
    him, and as I did that he stopped me,
  • 2:34 - 2:39
    and he was staring at me,
    and he spit in my face and he said
  • 2:39 - 2:43
    ‘Get out of my way you little black bitch,
    you little Paki bitch, get out of my -
  • 2:43 - 2:49
    go back home where you came from.’
    I was absolutely horrified.
  • 2:49 - 2:54
    I was staring at him, I was too afraid
    to wipe the spit off my face,
  • 2:54 - 2:58
    even as it was mixing with my tears.
    I remember looking around,
  • 2:58 - 3:04
    hoping any minute now a grownup
    was going to come and make this guy stop.
  • 3:04 - 3:09
    But instead people kept hurrying past me
    and pretending not to see me.
  • 3:09 - 3:12
    I was very confused because I was thinking
  • 3:12 - 3:16
    ‘Well, my white people come on,
    where are they? What’s going on?
  • 3:16 - 3:19
    How come they’re not
    coming and rescuing me?’
  • 3:19 - 3:24
    So needless to say I didn’t buy the sweets
    I just ran home as fast as I could.
  • 3:24 - 3:27
    Things were still ok though, I thought.
  • 3:27 - 3:30
    As time went on, the more
    successful I became,
  • 3:30 - 3:35
    I eventually started attracting
    harassment from brown people.
  • 3:36 - 3:41
    Some men in my parents community felt that
    it was unacceptable and dishonorable
  • 3:41 - 3:47
    for a woman to be involved in music,
    and to be so present in the media.
  • 3:48 - 3:54
    So very quickly I was starting to
    become attacked at my own concerts.
  • 3:54 - 3:58
    I remember one of the concerts, I was
    on stage, I lean in to the audience,
  • 3:58 - 4:01
    and the last thing I see is
    a young brown face,
  • 4:01 - 4:06
    and the next thing I know is some sort
    of chemical is thrown in my eyes.
  • 4:06 - 4:09
    And I remember I couldn’t really see,
    and my eyes were watering,
  • 4:09 - 4:11
    but I kept singing anyway.
  • 4:11 - 4:17
    I was spit in the face in the streets
    of Oslo, this time by brown men.
  • 4:17 - 4:22
    They even tried to kidnap me at one point.
    The death threats were endless.
  • 4:22 - 4:26
    I remember one older bearded guy
    stopped me in the street one time and said
  • 4:26 - 4:30
    ‘The reason I hate you so much is because
    you make our daughters think
  • 4:30 - 4:33
    they can do whatever they want.’
  • 4:33 - 4:36
    A younger guy warned me
    to watch my back, he said
  • 4:36 - 4:39
    ‘Music is un-Islamic
    and the job of whores,
  • 4:39 - 4:44
    and if you keep this up you are going to
    be raped and your stomach will be cut out,
  • 4:44 - 4:48
    so that another whore
    like you will not be born.’
  • 4:48 - 4:52
    Again I was so confused.
    I couldn’t understand what was going on,
  • 4:52 - 4:55
    my brown people now
    starting to treat me like this.
  • 4:55 - 4:59
    How come?
    Instead of bridging the two worlds,
  • 4:59 - 5:02
    I felt like I was falling
    between the my worlds.
  • 5:02 - 5:06
    I suppose for me,
    spit was kryptonite.
  • 5:07 - 5:10
    So by the time I was 17 years old
    the death threats were endless,
  • 5:10 - 5:12
    and the harassment was constant.
  • 5:12 - 5:15
    It got so bad at one point
    my mother sat me down and said
  • 5:15 - 5:18
    ‘Look, we can no longer protect you,
    we can no longer keep you safe,
  • 5:18 - 5:20
    so you’re going to have to go.’
  • 5:20 - 5:26
    So I bought a one-way ticket to London.
    I packed my suitcase, and I left.
  • 5:26 - 5:31
    My biggest heartbreak at that point
    was that nobody said anything.
  • 5:31 - 5:33
    I had a very public exit from Norway.
  • 5:33 - 5:37
    My brown people, my white people,
    nobody said anything.
  • 5:37 - 5:40
    Nobody said ‘Hold on, this is wrong.
  • 5:40 - 5:44
    Support this girl, protect this girl
    because she is one of us.’
  • 5:44 - 5:48
    Nobody said that. Instead I felt like,
  • 5:48 - 5:51
    you know at the airport,
    on the baggage carousel,
  • 5:51 - 5:54
    you have these different suitcases
    going round and round,
  • 5:54 - 5:56
    and there’s always
    that one suitcase left at the end.
  • 5:56 - 5:59
    The one that nobody wants.
    The one that nobody comes to claim.
  • 5:59 - 6:06
    I felt like that. I’d never felt so alone.
    I’d never felt so lost.
  • 6:06 - 6:11
    So, after coming to London,
    I did eventually resume my music career.
  • 6:11 - 6:15
    Different place, but unfortunately
    the same old story.
  • 6:15 - 6:19
    I remember a message sent to me saying
    that I was going to be killed,
  • 6:19 - 6:22
    and that rivers of blood
    were going to flow,
  • 6:22 - 6:26
    and that I was going to be raped
    many times before I died.
  • 6:26 - 6:30
    By this point I has to say I was actually
    getting used to messages like this.
  • 6:30 - 6:35
    But what became different was that now
    they started threatening my family.
  • 6:35 - 6:41
    So once again, I packed my suitcase,
    I left music, and I moved to the US.
  • 6:41 - 6:45
    I’d had enough. I didn’t want to have
    anything to do with this anymore.
  • 6:45 - 6:49
    And I was certainly not going to be killed
    for something that wasn’t even my dream,
  • 6:49 - 6:52
    it was my father’s choice.
  • 6:52 - 6:58
    So I kind of got lost,
    I kind of fell apart,
  • 6:58 - 7:00
    but I decided that what I wanted to do is
  • 7:00 - 7:05
    to spend the next however many years
    of my life supporting young people,
  • 7:05 - 7:09
    and to try to be there in some small way,
    whatever way that I could.
  • 7:09 - 7:14
    So I started volunteering for various
    organisations that were working
  • 7:14 - 7:18
    with young Muslims inside of Europe.
  • 7:18 - 7:24
    And, to my surprise what I found,
    was so many of these young people
  • 7:24 - 7:26
    were suffering and struggling.
  • 7:26 - 7:30
    They were facing so many problems
    with their families and their communities,
  • 7:30 - 7:34
    who seemed to care more about
    their honour and their reputation
  • 7:34 - 7:38
    than the happiness and
    the lives of their own kids.
  • 7:38 - 7:42
    I started feeling like maybe I wasn’t
    so alone, maybe I wasn’t so weird.
  • 7:42 - 7:46
    Maybe there are more
    of my people out there.
  • 7:46 - 7:48
    The thing is what most people
    don’t understand,
  • 7:48 - 7:52
    is that there are so many
    of us growing up in Europe
  • 7:52 - 7:57
    who are not free to be ourselves.
    We are not allowed to be who we are.
  • 7:57 - 8:05
    We are not free to marry, or to be
    in relationships with, people we choose,
  • 8:05 - 8:07
    we can’t even pick our own career.
  • 8:07 - 8:10
    This is the norm in
    the Muslim heartlands of Europe.
  • 8:10 - 8:14
    Even in the freest societies
    in the world, we are not free.
  • 8:14 - 8:18
    Our lives, our dreams, our future,
    does not belong to us,
  • 8:18 - 8:21
    it belongs to our parents,
    and their community.
  • 8:21 - 8:28
    I found endless stories of young people,
    who are lost to all of us,
  • 8:28 - 8:30
    Who are invisible to all of us,
  • 8:30 - 8:34
    but who are suffering and
    they are suffering alone.
  • 8:34 - 8:36
    Kids that we are losing
    to forced marriages,
  • 8:36 - 8:39
    to honour based violence, and abuse.
  • 8:39 - 8:43
    So eventually I realised, after several
    years of working with these young people,
  • 8:43 - 8:46
    that I will not be able to keep running,
  • 8:46 - 8:50
    I can’t spend the rest of my life
    being scared and hiding,
  • 8:50 - 8:53
    and that I’m actually going
    to have to do something.
  • 8:54 - 8:57
    And I also realised that
    my silence, our silence,
  • 8:57 - 9:00
    allows abuse like this to continue.
  • 9:00 - 9:05
    So I decided that I wanted to put
    my childhood superpower to some use,
  • 9:05 - 9:09
    by trying to make people on
    the different sides of these issues
  • 9:09 - 9:13
    understand what it's like to be
    a young person stuck
  • 9:13 - 9:15
    between your family and your country.
  • 9:15 - 9:19
    So I started making films,
    and I started telling these stories.
  • 9:19 - 9:21
    And I also wanted people to understand
  • 9:21 - 9:26
    the deadly consequences of us
    not taking these problems seriously.
  • 9:26 - 9:29
    So the first film I made was about Banaz.
  • 9:29 - 9:33
    She was a 17 year old
    Kurdish girl in London.
  • 9:33 - 9:37
    She was obedient, she did
    whatever her parents wanted.
  • 9:37 - 9:40
    She tried to do everything right.
  • 9:40 - 9:42
    She married some guy
    that her parent’s chose for her,
  • 9:42 - 9:46
    even though he beat
    and raped her constantly.
  • 9:46 - 9:48
    And when she tried to go
    to her family for help they said
  • 9:48 - 9:51
    ‘Well, you’ve got to go back
    and be a better wife.’
  • 9:51 - 9:54
    Because they didn’t want
    a divorced daughter on their hands,
  • 9:54 - 9:57
    because of course, that would bring
    dishonor on the family.
  • 9:57 - 10:01
    She was beaten so badly
    her ears would bleed.
  • 10:01 - 10:06
    And when she finally left, and she found
    a young man that she chose,
  • 10:06 - 10:10
    and she fell in love with, the community
    and the family found out,
  • 10:10 - 10:16
    and she disappeared.
    She was found three months later.
  • 10:16 - 10:22
    She’d been stuffed into a suitcase,
    and buried underneath a house.
  • 10:25 - 10:29
    She had been strangled,
    she had been beaten to death,
  • 10:29 - 10:35
    by three men, three cousins,
    on the orders of her father and uncle.
  • 10:35 - 10:37
    The added tragedy of Banaz’s story,
  • 10:37 - 10:43
    story is that she had gone to the police
    in England five times asking for help.
  • 10:43 - 10:46
    Telling them that she was going
    to be killed by her family.
  • 10:46 - 10:50
    The police didn’t believe her,
    so they didn’t do anything.
  • 10:50 - 10:52
    And the problem with this,
  • 10:52 - 10:55
    is that not only are so many of
    our kids facing these problems,
  • 10:55 - 10:59
    within their families and
    within their families' communities,
  • 10:59 - 11:05
    but they are also meeting
    misunderstandings and apathy
  • 11:05 - 11:09
    in the countries they grow up in.
  • 11:09 - 11:13
    When their own families betray them,
    they look to the rest of us.
  • 11:13 - 11:18
    And when we don’t understand,
    we lose them.
  • 11:18 - 11:21
    So while I was making this film,
    several people said to me
  • 11:21 - 11:24
    'Well, Deeyah, you know
    this is just their culture,
  • 11:24 - 11:28
    this is just what those people do to
    their kids and we can’t really interfere.’
  • 11:29 - 11:33
    I can assure you,
    being murdered is not my culture.
  • 11:33 - 11:37
    And surely people who look like me,
    young women who come
  • 11:37 - 11:41
    from backgrounds like mine,
    should be subject to the same rights,
  • 11:41 - 11:45
    the same protections,
    as anybody else in our country.
  • 11:45 - 11:47
    Why not?
  • 11:47 - 11:53
    So, for my next film, I wanted
    to try and understand why
  • 11:53 - 11:57
    some of our young Muslim kids in Europe
    are drawn to extremism and violence.
  • 11:57 - 12:00
    But with that topic,
    also recognised
  • 12:00 - 12:03
    that I was going to have
    to face my worst fear.
  • 12:04 - 12:07
    The brown men with beards.
  • 12:07 - 12:12
    Similar men, to the ones that have
    hounded me for most of my life.
  • 12:12 - 12:16
    Men that I’ve been afraid of
    most of my life.
  • 12:16 - 12:21
    Men that I’ve also deeply disliked
    for many, many years.
  • 12:21 - 12:25
    So I spent the next two years
    interviewing convicted terrorists,
  • 12:25 - 12:27
    jihadis and former extremists.
  • 12:27 - 12:31
    What I already knew,
    what was very obvious already,
  • 12:31 - 12:36
    was that religion, politics,
    Europe’s colonial baggage,
  • 12:36 - 12:40
    also Western foreign policy failures
    of recent years,
  • 12:40 - 12:42
    were all a part of the picture.
  • 12:42 - 12:45
    But what I was more interested
    in finding out, was what are the human,
  • 12:45 - 12:49
    what are the personal reasons
    why some of our young people
  • 12:49 - 12:52
    are susceptible to groups like this.
  • 12:52 - 12:58
    And what really surprised me,
    was that I found wounded human beings.
  • 12:59 - 13:03
    Instead of the monsters that I was
    looking for, that I was hoping to find
  • 13:03 - 13:09
    quite frankly because it would have been
    very satisfying, I found broken people.
  • 13:09 - 13:14
    Just like Banaz, I found that
    these young men were torn apart
  • 13:14 - 13:18
    from trying to bridge
    the gaps between their families,
  • 13:18 - 13:21
    and the countries that they were born in.
  • 13:21 - 13:24
    And what I also learnt is that
    extremist groups, terrorist groups,
  • 13:24 - 13:28
    are taking advantage of
    these feelings of our young people,
  • 13:28 - 13:32
    and channeling that cynically,
    channeling that towards violence.
  • 13:32 - 13:34
    ‘Come to us!’, they say.
  • 13:34 - 13:38
    ‘Reject both sides, your family and
    your country, because they reject you.
  • 13:38 - 13:41
    For your family, their honour
    is more important than you,
  • 13:41 - 13:45
    and for your country, a real Norwegian,
    Brit or a French person
  • 13:45 - 13:49
    will always be white and never you.’
  • 13:49 - 13:53
    They are also promising our young people
    the things that they crave,
  • 13:53 - 13:57
    significance, heroism, a sense of
    belonging and purpose.
  • 13:57 - 14:04
    A community that loves and accepts them.
    They make the powerless feel powerful.
  • 14:04 - 14:09
    The invisible and the silent
    are finally seen and heard.
  • 14:11 - 14:14
    This is what they are doing
    for our young people.
  • 14:14 - 14:18
    Why are these groups doing this
    for our young people and not us?
  • 14:20 - 14:29
    The thing is, I’m not trying to
    justify or excuse any of the violence.
  • 14:29 - 14:32
    What I am trying to say,
    is that we have to understand
  • 14:32 - 14:37
    why some of our young people
    are attracted to this.
  • 14:37 - 14:39
    I would like to also show you,
  • 14:39 - 14:44
    these are childhood photos
    of some of the guys in the film.
  • 14:45 - 14:51
    What really struck me is that so many
    of them - I never would have thought this,
  • 14:51 - 14:55
    but so many of them have
    absent of abusive fathers.
  • 14:55 - 14:57
    And several of these young guys ended up
  • 14:57 - 15:03
    finding caring and compassionate father
    figures within these extremist groups.
  • 15:05 - 15:08
    I also found men brutalized
    by racist violence,
  • 15:08 - 15:12
    but who found a way to stop feeling like
    victims by becoming violent themselves.
  • 15:12 - 15:18
    In fact, I found something
    to my horror that I recognised.
  • 15:18 - 15:25
    I found the same feelings that I felt
    as a 17 year old, as I fled from Norway.
  • 15:25 - 15:33
    The same confusion, the same sorrow,
    the same feeling of being betrayed.
  • 15:33 - 15:38
    And not belonging to anyone.
  • 15:38 - 15:43
    The same feeling of being lost
    and torn between cultures.
  • 15:43 - 15:45
    Having said that,
    I did not choose destruction,
  • 15:45 - 15:48
    I chose to pick up a camera,
    instead of a gun.
  • 15:48 - 15:51
    And the reason I did that,
    is because of my superpower,
  • 15:51 - 15:56
    I could see that understanding
    is the answer, instead of violence.
  • 15:56 - 16:02
    Seeing human beings, with
    all their virtues, and all their flaws,
  • 16:02 - 16:06
    instead of continuing the caricatures
    of us and them, the villains and victims.
  • 16:06 - 16:10
    I had also finally come to terms
    with the fact that my two cultures
  • 16:10 - 16:12
    didn’t have to be on a collision course,
  • 16:12 - 16:16
    but instead became a space
    where I found my own voice.
  • 16:16 - 16:18
    I stopped feeling
    like I had to pick a side.
  • 16:18 - 16:21
    But this took me many, many years.
  • 16:21 - 16:23
    There are so many
    of our young people today
  • 16:23 - 16:29
    who are struggling with these same issues,
    and they are struggling with this alone.
  • 16:29 - 16:32
    And this leaves them open like wounds.
  • 16:32 - 16:35
    And for some, the world view
    of radical Islam
  • 16:35 - 16:40
    becomes the infection that festers
    in these open wounds.
  • 16:41 - 16:44
    There’s an African proverb that says
  • 16:44 - 16:49
    ‘If the young are not
    initiated into the village,
  • 16:49 - 16:53
    they will burn it down
    just to feel its warmth.’
  • 16:53 - 16:58
    I would like to ask to Muslim parents
    and Muslim communities,
  • 16:58 - 17:01
    will you love and care for your children,
  • 17:01 - 17:03
    without forcing them
    to meet your expectations?
  • 17:03 - 17:06
    Can you choose them,
    Instead of your honour?
  • 17:06 - 17:09
    Can you understand why
    they’re so angry and alienated,
  • 17:09 - 17:12
    when you put your honour
    before their happiness?
  • 17:12 - 17:17
    Can you try to be a friend to your child
    so that they can trust you,
  • 17:17 - 17:19
    and want to share with you
    their experiences,
  • 17:19 - 17:22
    rather than having to seek it
    somewhere else?
  • 17:22 - 17:26
    And to our young people,
    tempted by extremism,
  • 17:26 - 17:31
    can you acknowledge that
    your rage is fuelled by pain?
  • 17:31 - 17:35
    Will you find the strength to resist
    those cynical old men,
  • 17:35 - 17:38
    who want to use your blood
    for their own profits?
  • 17:38 - 17:42
    Can you find a way to live?
  • 17:42 - 17:46
    Can you see that the sweetest revenge
    is for you to live a happy,
  • 17:46 - 17:50
    full and free life, a life defined
    by you and nobody else?
  • 17:50 - 17:55
    Why do you want to become
    just another dead Muslim kid?
  • 17:55 - 18:00
    And for the rest of us, when will we
    start listening to our young people?
  • 18:00 - 18:03
    How can we support them
    in redirecting their pain
  • 18:03 - 18:06
    into something more constructive?
  • 18:06 - 18:11
    They think we don’t like them, they think
    we don’t care what happens to them.
  • 18:11 - 18:13
    They think we don’t accept them.
  • 18:13 - 18:16
    Can we find a way to
    make them feel differently?
  • 18:16 - 18:20
    What will it take for us
    to see them, and notice them,
  • 18:20 - 18:25
    before they become either the victims
    or the perpetrators of violence?
  • 18:25 - 18:28
    Can we make ourselves care about them,
    and consider them to be our own,
  • 18:28 - 18:34
    and not just be outraged when the victims
    of violence look like ourselves?
  • 18:34 - 18:39
    Can we find a way to reject hatred,
    and heal the divisions between us?
  • 18:39 - 18:43
    The thing, is we cannot afford
    to give up on each other, or on our kids,
  • 18:43 - 18:47
    even if they’ve given up on us.
    We are all in this together.
  • 18:47 - 18:53
    And in the long term, revenge and violence
    will not work against extremists.
  • 18:53 - 18:57
    Terrorists want us to huddle
    in our houses and fear,
  • 18:57 - 18:59
    closing our doors and our hearts.
  • 18:59 - 19:03
    They want us to tear open
    more wounds in our societies,
  • 19:03 - 19:07
    so that they can use them
    to spread their infection more widely.
  • 19:07 - 19:13
    They want us to become like them,
    intolerant, hateful and cruel.
  • 19:14 - 19:21
    The day after the Paris attacks, a friend
    of mine sent this photo of her daughter.
  • 19:21 - 19:25
    This is a white girl and an Arab girl.
    They’re best friends.
  • 19:25 - 19:29
    This image is the kryptonite
    for extremists.
  • 19:30 - 19:34
    These two little girls,
    with their superpowers,
  • 19:34 - 19:40
    are showing the way forward towards
    a society that we need to build together.
  • 19:40 - 19:48
    A society that includes, and supports,
    rather than rejects our kids.
  • 19:48 - 19:50
    Thank you for listening.
Title:
What we don’t know about Europe’s Muslim kids and why we should care | Deeyah Khan | TEDxExeter
Description:

more » « less
Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDxTalks
Duration:
19:58

English subtitles

Revisions Compare revisions