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Confessions of a recovering micromanager

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    What I'm really here to do today
    is talk to you about micromanagement
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    and what I learned about micromanagement
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    by being a micromanager
    over the last few years of my life.
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    But first off, what is micromanagement?
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    How do we really define it?
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    Well, I posit that it's actually taking
    great, wonderful, imaginative people --
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    like all of you --
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    bringing them in into an organization
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    and then crushing their souls --
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    (Laughter)
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    by telling them what font size to use.
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    In the history of mankind,
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    has anyone ever said this?
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    "John, we were never going to close
    that deal with Times New Roman,
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    but because you insisted on Helvetica --
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    bam!
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    Dotted line --
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    millions of dollars started to flow.
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    That was the missing piece!"
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    No one's ever said that, right?
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    There's actually physical manifestations
    that we probably see in ourselves
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    by being micromanaged.
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    Think about the most tired
    you've ever been in your life, right?
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    It probably wasn't when
    you stayed the latest at work,
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    or it wasn't when you
    came home from a road trip,
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    it was probably when you had someone
    looking over your shoulder,
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    watching your each and every move.
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    Kind of like my mother-in-law
    when she's over right?
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    (Laughter)
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    I'm like, "I got this," you know?
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    And so there's actually
    data to support this.
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    There was a recent study in the UK.
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    They took 100 hospital employees,
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    put an activity tracker on them
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    and then let them go about
    their next 12-hour shift all alone,
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    just a regular 12-hour shift.
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    At the end of the shift,
    they asked them, "Do you feel fatigued?"
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    And what they found
    was actually really interesting.
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    It wasn't necessarily
    the people who moved the most
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    that felt the most fatigued,
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    but it was the folks
    that didn't have control over their jobs.
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    So if we know that micromanagement
    isn't really effective,
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    why do we do it?
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    Is it that the definition is wrong?
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    I posited that micromanagement
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    is just bringing in great,
    wonderful, imaginative people
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    and then crushing their souls,
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    so is it that we actually want to hire --
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    deep down inside of us --
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    dull and unimaginative people?
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    It's one of those questions
    you probably don't even need to ask.
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    It's like, "Do you want to get
    your luggage stolen at the airport?"
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    Probably not, but I've never
    been asked, right?
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    So has anyone asked you, as a manager,
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    "Do you want to hire
    dull and unimaginative people?"
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    So, I don't know, this is TED,
    we better back it up with data.
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    We actually asked hundreds
    of people around the country --
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    hundreds of managers across the country --
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    do you want to hire
    dull and unimaginative people?
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    Alright, it's an interesting question.
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    Well, interesting results as well.
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    So, 94% said no --
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    (Laughter)
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    we don't want to hire
    dull and unimaginative people.
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    Six percent probably didn't
    understand the question --
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    (Laughter)
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    but, bless their hearts,
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    maybe they do just want to hire
    dull and unimaginative people.
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    But 94 percent said they did not,
    and so why do we do this still then?
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    Well, I posit that it's something
    really, really simple
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    that all of us deep down inside know
    and have actually felt.
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    So when we get hired
    into an organization --
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    it could be a club,
    it could be a law firm,
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    it could be a school organization,
    it could be anything --
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    no one ever jumps to the top
    of the totem pole, right?
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    You start at the very bottom.
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    Doing what?
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    Doing work.
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    You actually do the work, right?
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    And if you're really good
    at doing the work,
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    what do you get rewarded with?
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    More work, right?
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    Yeah, that's right, you guys
    are all great micromanagers.
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    (Laughter)
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    You do more work,
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    and then pretty soon,
    if you're really good at it,
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    you do a little bit of work still,
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    but actually, you start to manage
    people doing the work.
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    And if you're really good at that,
    what happens after that?
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    You start managing the people
    who manage the people doing the work,
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    and it's at that point in time,
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    you start to lose control
    over the output of your job.
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    I've actually witnessed this firsthand.
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    So, I started a company
    called Boxed in our garage,
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    and this was it --
    I know it doesn't seem like much --
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    you know, there's a pressure
    washer in the back --
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    this is "living the dream."
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    And my wife was really proud of me
    when we started this,
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    or that's what she said,
    she was really proud of me --
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    and so she would give me a hug,
    and I'm pretty sure she had her phone up
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    and she was thinking,
    "Oh, is John from Harvard still single?"
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    It was kind of like a lemonade stand
    gone wrong in the beginning,
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    but we actually went up and said
    mobile commerce is going to be big,
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    and actually consumer packaged goods
    were going to change over time,
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    so let's take these big, bulky packs
    that you don't want to lug home --
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    so not the two-pack
    of Oreo cookies but the 24-pack
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    and not the 24-pack
    of toilet paper but the 48-pack --
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    and let's ship it to you
    much like a warehouse club would do
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    except they wouldn't ship it to you.
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    So that's what we basically did.
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    We had a really slow printer
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    and what we did was actually say,
    "OK, this printer is taking forever, man.
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    Let's scribble something
    that would delight the customer
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    on the back of these invoices."
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    So we'd say, "Hey,
    keep smiling," you know?
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    "Hey, you're awesome,"
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    or, "Hey, enjoy the Doritos,"
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    or, "We love Gatorade, too."
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    Stuff like that.
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    And so it started breaking up
    the monotony of the job as well
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    because I was picking
    and packing all of the boxes,
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    and that's all you basically do
    for eight, nine, 10, 12 hours a day
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    when you're sitting in the garage.
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    And so an interesting thing happened.
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    So we actually started to grow.
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    And so, you know, over the last --
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    actually just even 36 months after that,
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    we ended up selling hundreds
    of millions of dollars worth of stuff,
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    and we actually grew
    really, really quickly.
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    But during that time,
    my role started to change, too.
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    So, yes, I was the CEO in the garage;
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    I was picking and packing,
    doing all the work,
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    but then I graduated
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    to actually managing the people
    who picked and packed,
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    and then pretty soon I managed the people
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    who managed the people
    picking and packing.
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    And even now, I manage the C-staff
    who manage the departments
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    who manage the people who manage
    the people picking and packing.
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    And it is at that point
    in time, I lost control.
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    So I thought, OK, we were delighting
    all of these customers with these notes.
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    They loved them, but I can't
    write these notes anymore,
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    so you know what I'm going to do?
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    I'm going to tell these folks
    how to write these notes.
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    What pen to use, what color to use,
    what you should write,
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    what font you should use,
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    don't mess up the margins,
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    this has to be this big,
    this has to be that big.
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    And pretty soon this goal
    of raising morale
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    by breaking up the monotony
    in the fulfillment center
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    actually became micromanagement,
    and people started complaining to HR.
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    It's like, "Dude, this CEO guy
    has got to get out of my hair, OK?
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    I know how to write a damn note."
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    (Laughter)
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    So it was at that point in time,
    we said, "OK, you know?
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    We hired these great, wonderful people,
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    let's give them the mission
    that's 'delight the customer,'
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    let's give them the tool to do so,
    and that's these notes -- have at it."
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    And so what we found
    was actually pretty startling.
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    Some folks actually took the notes
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    and actually started drawing
    these really ornate minimurals on them.
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    When folks ordered diapers,
    you'd get really fun notes like this:
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    "Say 'hi' to the baby for us!"
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    And you know, the next size up,
    if they bought a bigger size,
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    they'd write, "Growing up so fast."
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    And so people really, really took to it.
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    But it was at that time that it also
    went off the rails a few times.
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    And so we had someone just writing,
    "Thx, thx," all the time,
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    and it's like, "Alright, dude,
    my boss used to write that to me,"
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    so, let's not write "Thx" anymore.
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    But you also had interesting
    things on the other side.
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    People got a little too creative.
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    And so, like I said before,
    we sell everything in bulk:
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    the big packs of diapers,
    big packs of toilet paper,
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    the big packs of Doritos and Oreo cookies.
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    We also sell the big packs
    of contraception,
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    and so --
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    this is getting a little hairy.
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    (Laughter)
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    So we sell the 40-pack of condoms, right?
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    We're all adults in this room --
    40-pack of condoms.
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    So, someone ordered
    four 40-packs of condoms --
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    (Laughter)
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    And that's all they ordered,
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    so, 160 condoms,
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    the packer was like,
    "I know how to delight the customer."
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    (Laughter)
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    "This guy ..."
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    This is what they wrote:
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    [Everyone loves an optimist]
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    We didn't know whether to fire him
    or to promote him, but he's still there.
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    So, "Everyone loves an optimist."
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    But here is where it went
    a little bit off the rails
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    and I felt a little bit
    conflicted in all of this.
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    And --
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    oh, there's a really bad typo --
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    so if there was only a red T-E-D on stage
    that I counted on being here,
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    it wouldn't be a typo, right?
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    (Laughter)
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    (Applause)
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    I promised you I had
    a really bad sense of humor,
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    and now I'm gratifying that.
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    So I told you. But I really
    was conflicted, right?
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    At this point in time,
    we started doing things
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    that actually weren't part
    of our core mission
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    and people started failing at it.
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    And so, I thought,
    should we let them fail?
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    Should we continue to let them do this?
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    I don't know --
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    I didn't know at that moment,
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    but I thought this:
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    Is failure really that bad?
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    I'm not saying
    we should celebrate failure.
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    There's a lot of talk in Silicon Valley
    that says, "Let's celebrate failure."
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    No, I don't know
    if we would go all the way there,
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    because like, in our board meetings,
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    our board members are never like,
    "Hey, Chieh, you failed last quarter,
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    keep doing that, buddy, OK?"
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    No one's ever said that.
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    If you're part of
    an organization like that,
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    give me a call, I want
    to sit in on that meeting.
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    In private, I don't think
    many people celebrate failure,
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    but failure, I posit,
    is actually pretty necessary
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    for the folks truly in the long-term,
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    for the smart and imaginative people
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    truly trying to fulfill the mission
    that you give them at hand.
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    And so failure can actually
    be seen as a milestone
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    along that mission towards success.
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    And if the downside of not micromanaging
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    is potentially this perceived notion
    that you might fail more often,
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    and if it's really not that bad,
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    what is the upside?
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    Well, we saw the upside
    and it's pretty great.
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    We tasked our engineers and said,
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    "Hey, some of our fulfillment centers
    cost millions of dollars to build,
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    there's miles and miles of conveyor,
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    and so, can you do the same thing,
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    can you make them efficient
    without spending millions of dollars?"
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    So, they got to work:
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    they actually did this --
    this is not photoshopped,
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    the guy is really grinding.
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    They built an autonomous guided vehicle.
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    We didn't tell them what to build,
    what format it needed to be.
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    In 90 days they produced
    the first prototype:
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    powered off Tesla batteries,
    stereoscopic cameras, lidar systems.
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    It basically replicates
    the efficiency of a conveyor belt
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    without the actual capex
    of a conveyor belt.
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    So it doesn't actually
    just stop with engineers.
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    Our marketing department --
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    we told them, "Hey,
    get the word out; do the right thing."
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    We have this wonderful lady, Nitasha,
    on the marketing team.
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    She stopped me in the morning,
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    she's like, "Chieh, what are
    we doing about the pink tax?"
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    I went and got my coffee, I sat down,
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    I said, "OK, Nitasha,
    what is this pink tax?"
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    And so she told me,
    it's really interesting.
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    So, some of you might know
    that in 32 states across America,
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    we actually charge a luxury goods tax
    on women's products
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    like feminine care products,
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    so tampons and pads
    are taxed like luxury goods items.
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    So I would never dare call my wife --
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    or if she called me and said, "Hey, hon,
    bring some pads on the way home,"
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    and I said, "Babe, you know,
    there's a trade war going on,
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    the economy's not that good,
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    so no luxury goods this month
    but next month I promise --
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    (Laughter)
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    I'll take a look at it."
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    I'd be single pretty quickly, right?
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    But what's super interesting is now --
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    we didn't tell them what to do --
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    but now, working with finance,
    they rebate the tax
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    back to customers all around the country
    that we unfairly have to collect.
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    And so at this point in time,
    you might be thinking,
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    "OK, what is the real, real upside
    of not micromanaging?"
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    and it's this:
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    I didn't do any of these projects.
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    I didn't make the AGV.
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    I didn't do the "Rethink
    the Pink Tax" campaign.
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    I didn't do any of this,
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    but I'm standing here on a TED stage
    taking all the credit for it.
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    (Laughter)
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    "This guy does nothing
    and takes all the credit for it.
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    He's a real CEO, this guy.
    He's really got it down."
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    (Laughter)
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    But the reality is this.
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    I don't have the CEO thing down
    100 percent pat,
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    but I've actually learned
    the most fundamentally challenging lesson
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    I've ever had to learn,
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    and that's this.
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    There is only one solution
    to micromanagement ...
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    and that's to trust.
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    Thank you.
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    (Applause)
Title:
Confessions of a recovering micromanager
Speaker:
Chieh Huang
Description:

Think about the most tired you've ever been at work. It probably wasn't when you stayed late or came home from a road trip -- chances are it was when you had someone looking over your shoulder, watching your each and every move. "If we know that micromanagement isn't really effective, why do we do it?" asks entrepreneur Chieh Huang. In a funny talk packed with wisdom and humility, Huang shares the cure for micromanagement madness -- and how to foster innovation and happiness at work.

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Video Language:
English
Team:
closed TED
Project:
TEDTalks
Duration:
12:07

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