Sandbox
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0:34 - 0:35- I'm Mary Ann Mason,
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0:35 - 0:37I'm the Dean of the Graduate Division,
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0:37 - 0:39and I'm pleased, along
with the Graduate Council, -
0:39 - 0:43to present Elizabeth Warren,
who is this year's speaker -
0:43 - 0:46in the Jefferson Memorial Lecture series.
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0:46 - 0:48As a condition of this bequest,
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0:48 - 0:50we're obligated to tell
you how the endowment -
0:50 - 0:54supporting the lectures
came to UC Berkeley. -
0:54 - 0:58The Jefferson Memorial Lectures
were established in 1944 -
0:58 - 1:01through a bequest from
Elizabeth Bonestell, -
1:01 - 1:03and her husband, Cutler L. Bonestell.
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1:03 - 1:05A prominent San Francisco couple,
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1:05 - 1:08the Bonestells cared deeply for history,
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1:08 - 1:11and had hoped that the lectures
would encourage students, -
1:11 - 1:13faculty, visiting scholars and others
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1:13 - 1:17to study the legacy of Thomas Jefferson
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1:17 - 1:21and to explore the values
inherent in American democracy. -
1:21 - 1:25Past lecturers, Ambassador
Jeane Kirkpatrick, -
1:25 - 1:28Senator Alan Simpson,
Representative Thomas Foley, -
1:28 - 1:31Walter LaFeber and
Archibald Cox have delivered -
1:31 - 1:34Jefferson Memorial Lectures
on early American history -
1:34 - 1:37about Jefferson himself and
on American institutions -
1:37 - 1:42and policies in economics,
education and the law. -
1:42 - 1:44And now a few words
about Elizabeth Warren. -
1:44 - 1:48One of America's leading
commentators on consumer issues -
1:48 - 1:52and the law, Elizabeth Warren
has been an outspoken critic -
1:52 - 1:54of America's credit economy,
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1:54 - 1:57which she has linked to the
continuing rise in bankruptcy -
1:57 - 1:58among the middle class.
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1:58 - 2:00No one in the audience, I'm sure.
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2:00 - 2:03Her critical analysis of
Congress's latest revision -
2:03 - 2:05of America's national bankruptcy law
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2:05 - 2:08has received wide attention in the media
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2:08 - 2:10as well as in academic and policy circles.
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2:10 - 2:13At Harvard Law School,
Warren's courses include -
2:13 - 2:17contract law, bankruptcy
and commercial law. -
2:17 - 2:19She said recently that
she has spent decades -
2:19 - 2:22writing in academic books and
teaching an entire generation -
2:22 - 2:25of law students about the rules of money.
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2:25 - 2:29Those rules include the formal
statutes of commercial law, -
2:29 - 2:31the policies inherent in them,
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2:31 - 2:34and the ethical problems
that they can produce. -
2:34 - 2:36Warren is a frequent
contributor to articles in -
2:36 - 2:38The New York Times, The Washington Post,
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2:38 - 2:42and Women's eNews, and her
commentary appears regularly -
2:42 - 2:44on National Public Radio's news program,
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2:44 - 2:45All Things Considered,
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2:45 - 2:48and on the internet forum,
The Huffington Post. -
2:48 - 2:52After earning a BS from the
University of Houston in 1970, -
2:52 - 2:53Warren was awarded a J.D.
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2:53 - 2:57from Rutgers University-Newark in 1976.
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2:57 - 3:00She joined the faculty of
Harvard University in 1992 -
3:00 - 3:01and has served as the
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3:01 - 3:05Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law since 1995.
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3:05 - 3:07Prior to Harvard, Warren taught at
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3:07 - 3:08the University of Pennsylvania Law School,
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3:08 - 3:10the University of Texas Law School,
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3:10 - 3:12the University of Houston Law Center,
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3:12 - 3:14the University of Michigan,
and Rutgers School of Law. -
3:14 - 3:17Warren has channeled her
expertise in commercial law -
3:17 - 3:20into numerous other
professional activities. -
3:20 - 3:22She acted as chief adviser
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3:22 - 3:24to the National Bankruptcy
Review Commission -
3:24 - 3:26from 1995 to '97.
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3:26 - 3:28She served three terms on
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3:28 - 3:30the Federal Judicial Center Committee
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3:30 - 3:33on Judicial Education, 1990 to '99,
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3:33 - 3:37and since 1995, Warren has
been the United States advisor -
3:37 - 3:40to the Transnational Insolvency Project.
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3:40 - 3:43In presenting its nomination
of Professor Warren -
3:43 - 3:45for the lectureship,
the selection committee -
3:45 - 3:48spoke of Warren's
prominence as a commentator -
3:48 - 3:52in public discourse on bankruptcy
and other consumer issues. -
3:52 - 3:54A scholar of great originality
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3:54 - 3:57and insight into commercial
law and a law teacher -
3:57 - 4:00and lecturer of exceptional distinction.
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4:00 - 4:03According to committee
chair Harry N. Scheiber, -
4:03 - 4:05the Riesenfeld Professor
of Law and History, -
4:05 - 4:07"At a time when the social safety net
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4:07 - 4:10"is no longer taken for
granted by Americans, -
4:10 - 4:12"its unremitting attack in Washington
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4:12 - 4:14"and many state capitals,
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4:14 - 4:16"Elizabeth Warren's unique importance
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4:16 - 4:18"as a researcher and writer,
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4:18 - 4:20"concerned with changing
income distribution -
4:20 - 4:23"and the imperiled condition
of the nation's social welfare -
4:23 - 4:25"makes this lecture one
of special importance -
4:25 - 4:27"to the campus community."
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4:27 - 4:30I should say personally that
I read her book last year, -
4:30 - 4:31"The Two-Income Trap",
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4:31 - 4:34and I would put it among my very favorites
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4:34 - 4:36of policy books that both made sense
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4:36 - 4:38and are going to change policy.
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4:38 - 4:40So it gives me very great pleasure
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4:40 - 4:42to welcome Elizabeth Warren.
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4:42 - 4:45(audience applauding)
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4:56 - 4:58- Thank you, Dean Mason.
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4:58 - 5:02Thank you, members of
the Berkeley faculty, -
5:02 - 5:04Berkeley students and Berkeley friends.
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5:04 - 5:08It's an honor to be invited
to give the Jefferson Lecture, -
5:08 - 5:10especially following the footsteps
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5:10 - 5:12of such esteemed people.
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5:12 - 5:15And it's also a particular
pleasure to be here. -
5:15 - 5:19I appreciate the hospitality,
it has been extraordinary, -
5:19 - 5:21and the good weather,
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5:21 - 5:24since I was on a plane
that had to be de-iced -
5:24 - 5:25before it could take off,
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5:26 - 5:29it really does seem that
I've landed in heaven. -
5:29 - 5:33So it's a special treat to be here today.
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5:33 - 5:34I want to say,
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5:34 - 5:37I like to talk about the
things that I care about -
5:37 - 5:40and that I'm passionate about,
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5:40 - 5:43and I only get nervous about the fact that
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5:43 - 5:45I may not tell you all the
things that I want to make sure -
5:45 - 5:48that you know and I may
not be able to say it -
5:48 - 5:50as clearly or distinctly,
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5:50 - 5:52because I want you to hear these things,
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5:52 - 5:56but today, I feel a special anxiety
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5:56 - 6:00as I get ready to do this because
the only two conversations -
6:00 - 6:02that I have had running
throughout the day today -
6:02 - 6:05have been how appalling
it is to use PowerPoints, -
6:08 - 6:11and about boring lectures and
falling asleep during them. -
6:11 - 6:16So having my confidence
boosted before I came in here, -
6:16 - 6:20I will approach this somewhat gingerly.
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6:21 - 6:25What I wanted to talk about
today is I wanted to start -
6:25 - 6:30by talking about what I
think is the single most -
6:31 - 6:35important economic
shift of the second half -
6:35 - 6:38of the 20th century in the United States,
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6:38 - 6:43and that is that millions of mothers
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6:43 - 6:46poured into the full-time paid workforce.
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6:47 - 6:50A woman in 1970
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6:53 - 6:57who had a 16 year old child
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6:57 - 7:01was less likely to be in the workforce
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7:01 - 7:05than a woman in 2003
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7:05 - 7:10who had a six month old child at home.
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7:10 - 7:14It was a profound shift in America.
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7:14 - 7:16The median family in America,
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7:16 - 7:20a married couple family in America,
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7:20 - 7:23went over a 30-year
period, median, middle, -
7:23 - 7:28from being a one-income household
to a two-income household, -
7:28 - 7:30a significant shift.
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7:30 - 7:35And so if we had known,
let's say, 30 years ago, -
7:36 - 7:4035 years ago, we've been
sitting here in 1970, -
7:40 - 7:42and as part of the Jefferson Lecture,
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7:42 - 7:44I'd had my crystal ball and I'd said,
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7:44 - 7:48"Here's what's going to
happen over the next 30 years. -
7:48 - 7:50"Mothers are going to
pour into the workforce, -
7:50 - 7:52"take on full-time work,
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7:52 - 7:53"they're gonna get better education,
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7:53 - 7:54"they're gonna have more work experience,
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7:54 - 7:56"their incomes are going to rise.
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7:56 - 7:58"They won't get all the
way to where men are, -
7:58 - 8:00"but they're gonna make
substantial advances." -
8:00 - 8:03Now let's speculate on what
the family will look like -
8:03 - 8:0830 years hence, that
is, in 2000, 2005, 2007. -
8:08 - 8:10Well the first thing
I would have estimated -
8:10 - 8:12is that people would
stop living in suburbs -
8:12 - 8:13that are far out.
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8:13 - 8:16I would have guessed
everyone would live close in, -
8:16 - 8:18that no mother of a six month old child
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8:18 - 8:21would commute an hour
and 40 minutes to work. -
8:21 - 8:23I would have been, of course,
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8:23 - 8:26very wrong in that first estimate.
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8:26 - 8:29The second thing I would
have guessed is that families -
8:29 - 8:32will be very wealthy.
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8:33 - 8:38They're going to have
lots of savings, no debt, -
8:39 - 8:41and plenty of vacations, right?
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8:41 - 8:42If you've got two people in the workforce,
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8:42 - 8:44there's gonna be a lot of extra income.
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8:44 - 8:46They're gonna be secure,
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8:46 - 8:47there won't be a lot of bankruptcy,
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8:47 - 8:49there won't be a lot of default,
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8:49 - 8:51nobody's gonna be dealing
with debt collectors, -
8:51 - 8:55that's what it's gonna
look like come the new era. -
8:55 - 8:57So let's see what happened.
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8:57 - 8:58This is all inflation adjusted,
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8:58 - 8:59everything I'm gonna do today
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8:59 - 9:01is gonna be inflation adjusted,
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9:01 - 9:04so we can just make that
assumption as we go forward. -
9:04 - 9:07This is what happened to median
income for married families -
9:07 - 9:09and this is gonna be my period
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9:09 - 9:11to the extent the data permitted.
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9:11 - 9:15It's basically gonna be one
generation, 1970 to 1971, -
9:15 - 9:16to 2005, 2006.
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9:17 - 9:20What happened in a single generation,
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9:20 - 9:22from your mom and dad to you, okay,
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9:22 - 9:24is what we're talking about here.
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9:24 - 9:28And you see how income
goes up for families. -
9:28 - 9:30But there was an underlying message
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9:30 - 9:31that was not nearly so good,
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9:31 - 9:35and that is income went
up for married couples, -
9:35 - 9:39but the green line, the one underneath,
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9:39 - 9:43you notice that income for
males, fully employed males, -
9:43 - 9:45in fact, didn't rise at all.
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9:45 - 9:47And if you actually look at the numbers,
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9:47 - 9:49a fully employed male today,
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9:49 - 9:51once we had adjusted for inflation,
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9:51 - 9:56makes about $800 less than his
father made a generation ago, -
9:57 - 9:59talking about median earners here.
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9:59 - 10:02Okay, so what that begins to tell us
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10:02 - 10:06is the first part of the
story, family income rose, -
10:06 - 10:09but as I said, it was rising only
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10:09 - 10:11because women were going
into the workforce. -
10:11 - 10:16In other words, the bump
we got is not a bump -
10:17 - 10:18on top of the bump we were getting
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10:18 - 10:20because men were also earning
more over this period of time -
10:20 - 10:23as they had been in the
seven years that preceded, -
10:23 - 10:25but is a bump that comes only because
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10:25 - 10:29they put a second worker
into the workforce. -
10:29 - 10:31All right, but my prediction
should still hold. -
10:31 - 10:33After all, families are getting richer
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10:33 - 10:36in the sense of more income over time.
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10:37 - 10:38What happened?
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10:38 - 10:42Savings went down in
this same time period. -
10:42 - 10:46So the one-income family
in 1970 was putting away -
10:46 - 10:49about 11% of their take-home pay.
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10:49 - 10:52Think about it, week after
week, month after month, -
10:52 - 10:54they're putting away about 11%.
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10:54 - 10:59By the year 2006, you notice
the line goes below zero. -
11:00 - 11:03This is a concept only
Alan Greenspan would love, -
11:03 - 11:04negative savings.
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11:04 - 11:09The American family
today puts away nothing, -
11:09 - 11:12and frankly has been putting away nothing
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11:12 - 11:14for the last five or six years.
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11:14 - 11:17There's nothing there,
there is no savings. -
11:17 - 11:20So savings didn't go
up the way I predicted. -
11:20 - 11:25Oh, but something went up,
and that's revolving debt. -
11:25 - 11:26I picked revolving debt,
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11:26 - 11:27I could have picked any of them,
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11:27 - 11:30revolving debt just
basically means credit cards -
11:30 - 11:32where you can carry a balance outstanding.
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11:32 - 11:34We could have picked consumer debt,
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11:34 - 11:37which would also include
car loans and payday loans -
11:37 - 11:39and a few other kinds of debt,
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11:39 - 11:40we could have included mortgage,
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11:40 - 11:43and we would have gotten
much the same picture. -
11:43 - 11:46Revolving debt is a
percentage of annual income. -
11:46 - 11:49Notice there's supposed to be
some decimal points in there -
11:49 - 11:50that aren't showing up very well,
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11:50 - 11:52I don't know what happened in
the translation of the program -
11:52 - 11:57but basically in 1970, the
median family in America -
11:57 - 12:02was carrying about 1.4%
of its annual income -
12:02 - 12:05in revolving debt, store charges.
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12:05 - 12:09So there was a tiny little
fraction on average. -
12:09 - 12:14By the year 2005, the median
family is carrying about 15% -
12:16 - 12:19of its annual income in revolving debt,
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12:19 - 12:21okay, just true there at the average.
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12:21 - 12:25So savings have gone down,
revolving debt has gone up, -
12:25 - 12:27and it gives us this picture,
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12:27 - 12:29if we put the whole thing together here.
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12:29 - 12:32And that is the left side, 1972,
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12:32 - 12:35the family, blue, is saving 11%
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12:35 - 12:38and carrying debt about 1.4%.
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12:39 - 12:42By the year 2005, is
carrying credit card debt -
12:42 - 12:47equal to one in every seven
dollars that it earns, 15.6%, -
12:47 - 12:51and its savings rate is negative,
eight tenths of a percent. -
12:51 - 12:56So think about what that means.
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12:56 - 13:00That means, over the last 30
years, in terms of a shift, -
13:00 - 13:04the family spent everything
that mom's income -
13:04 - 13:06added to the family fisc,
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13:06 - 13:09spent everything they used to save,
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13:09 - 13:12that 11% that they used to put away,
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13:12 - 13:17and went into debt another
15% of income on top of that. -
13:17 - 13:19They spent it all.
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13:20 - 13:22Now, whoops, I'll do it a little faster,
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13:22 - 13:24what did they spend it on?
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13:24 - 13:27This was the question that really drove me
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13:27 - 13:29in my research over the last few years.
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13:29 - 13:31Where do they spend the money?
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13:31 - 13:34Because what's interesting here is that
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13:34 - 13:36everybody has an answer on this one.
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13:36 - 13:38People can tell me exactly
what they spent it on, -
13:38 - 13:43people are sure, and so
I started to find out. -
13:43 - 13:46The federal government has
actually been keeping data -
13:46 - 13:50on how Americans spend their money.
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13:50 - 13:51This is done through
the Commerce Department, -
13:51 - 13:52large parts of this,
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13:52 - 13:54and some of it's due to
the Labor Department, -
13:54 - 13:57they've been keeping this
for more than a century -
13:57 - 14:02so that you can look at data
on canned meat consumption -
14:02 - 14:07going back to the late
1800s and early 1900s. -
14:07 - 14:09You can check out alcohol consumption,
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14:09 - 14:11you can check out cracker consumption,
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14:11 - 14:12it's not all about food,
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14:12 - 14:15it's about cars and rugs and furniture
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14:15 - 14:17and all sorts of things
that the government has been -
14:17 - 14:18collecting data on.
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14:18 - 14:22So I found this source for all the data,
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14:22 - 14:24right down the bottom in that list,
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14:24 - 14:27I don't know what the type
is called, like .01 type, -
14:28 - 14:30it tells what the government office is
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14:30 - 14:33that's responsible for this
and if you have any questions, -
14:33 - 14:36what you're looking for, so
glory be to the internet, -
14:36 - 14:40found a phone number and
found a live human being who, -
14:40 - 14:42and I started trying to ask about
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14:42 - 14:43how you could stabilize this stuff,
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14:43 - 14:44and look at it over time,
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14:44 - 14:46we all understand how you
could do inflation adjustment, -
14:46 - 14:49he said something about,
I said something that, -
14:49 - 14:52"Can you disaggregate this so
that you can look at families -
14:52 - 14:54"matched for family size?"
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14:54 - 14:56That's really the question here.
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14:56 - 15:00And the guy said, "Well", he said,
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15:00 - 15:04"I guess if you cared,
I could run the data." -
15:05 - 15:09And, all of a sudden, my little
heart starts beating faster -
15:09 - 15:12and I'm panting into the phone and I said,
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15:12 - 15:13"You can actually run the data?"
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15:13 - 15:14And he said, "Yeah."
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15:14 - 15:16He said, "What kind of family
do you want to look at?" -
15:16 - 15:19And I said, "I want to look
at a mom, dad and two kids", -
15:19 - 15:21because we have such variations,
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15:21 - 15:24there's so many more one
person family households now -
15:24 - 15:27and variations, "I want to look
at a mom, dad and two kids." -
15:27 - 15:29That will help me stabilize both on age
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15:29 - 15:31and family composition.
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15:31 - 15:35"I want to look at a mom, dad
and two kids in the 1970s, -
15:35 - 15:40"1970, 1971, and I want to
look at a mom, dad and two kids -
15:40 - 15:43"in 2003", and I'm trying
to gather these data, -
15:43 - 15:45and I want to compare them.
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15:45 - 15:47We lump together some expenses,
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15:47 - 15:48and I want to be able to
compare them over time, -
15:48 - 15:49we'll adjust for inflation,
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15:49 - 15:51and figure out how much
more people are spending. -
15:51 - 15:52He said, "Great."
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15:52 - 15:53So he said, "What's the
first one you want to do? -
15:53 - 15:54"What's the first run?"
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15:54 - 15:55Because you gotta test this stuff out see
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15:55 - 15:58to see if you're getting it
right, and I said, "Clothes, -
15:58 - 15:59"how much money are people
spending on clothes today?" -
15:59 - 16:04Because all I ever hear about
our designer toddler outfits, -
16:05 - 16:10the Gap, $200 sneakers,
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16:10 - 16:12all of the fancy things that people are
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16:12 - 16:14spending on themselves and
their children in terms of, -
16:14 - 16:16we have a closet full, and look,
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16:16 - 16:18I think this is probably why.
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16:18 - 16:20I can't get a parking place at the mall.
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16:20 - 16:22All the dressing rooms are always full.
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16:22 - 16:26So it must be that we're
spending too much on clothing. -
16:26 - 16:30So he calls me back when
he gets the first data runs -
16:30 - 16:32and emails them and he says, "Okay",
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16:32 - 16:33he said, "I've got your number."
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16:33 - 16:35And I said, "Good, what's the number?"
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16:35 - 16:38And he said, "32%."
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16:38 - 16:40And I said, "So they're
spending 32% more?" -
16:40 - 16:43And he said, "No, they're
spending 32% less today -
16:43 - 16:45"than they spent a generation ago",
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16:45 - 16:46in inflation adjusted dollars.
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16:46 - 16:49And of course, it's like
one of these things, -
16:49 - 16:52the first, I have to tell
you, this is really awful, -
16:52 - 16:53the first eight times I talked with him
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16:53 - 16:56after he gave me this one, I
knew he had the numbers wrong. -
16:56 - 16:59Finally, we ran this six
different ways 'til Christmas, -
16:59 - 17:01I finally believe that
the numbers were right, -
17:01 - 17:03and then we start to thinking,
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17:03 - 17:04well, you know, it makes sense.
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17:04 - 17:06Everybody shops at discount today,
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17:06 - 17:08nobody pays full price
in a department store, -
17:08 - 17:11we import a lot more of our
clothes than we used to, -
17:11 - 17:14men don't wear expensive
suits, except for my husband, -
17:15 - 17:18people don't wear leather shoes,
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17:18 - 17:20little children wear sandals
and go barefoot a lot, -
17:20 - 17:22on and on and on.
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17:22 - 17:26And so the numbers hold that
clothing expenses for a family -
17:26 - 17:27climbed up to 32%.
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17:27 - 17:29So, okay, food, let's do food,
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17:29 - 17:32and let's be sure to put in eating out,
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17:32 - 17:35because we all know with
mom not at home anymore, -
17:35 - 17:37it's gotta be that families
are spending a fortune -
17:37 - 17:39on eating out, and besides that,
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17:39 - 17:41in 1972, nobody ate kiwis,
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17:41 - 17:44and nobody paid for water, right?
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17:44 - 17:47And my grandparents would
be appalled by this, right? -
17:47 - 17:51So how much more is today's
family spending on food -
17:51 - 17:53than they spent a generation ago?
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17:53 - 17:55Same sort of matching,
including eating out, -
17:55 - 17:59and the answer is they're
spending 18% less on food -
17:59 - 18:01than they spent a generation ago.
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18:03 - 18:07And once again, welcome to
the world of big-box stores -
18:08 - 18:10where people are buying
on very thin margins, -
18:10 - 18:13supermarkets, people eat a lot more pasta
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18:13 - 18:15and they eat a lot less
meat than they used to, -
18:15 - 18:19there are lots of reasons
that it's actually gone down -
18:19 - 18:21in terms of what we spend on food.
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18:21 - 18:24Okay, so, I'm beginning
to get the hang of this, -
18:24 - 18:26I said, "Appliances, nobody
had an espresso machine -
18:26 - 18:29"a generation ago, nobody had
a separate popcorn popper, -
18:29 - 18:30"no one had a microwave oven."
-
18:30 - 18:33And by the way, for each of these,
-
18:33 - 18:35one of the fun parts of
being able to do research, -
18:35 - 18:36can't do this in a lecture,
-
18:36 - 18:38you can't burden the lecture with this,
-
18:38 - 18:40but it's to get all the quotes,
-
18:41 - 18:44to get Robert Frank and Julie
Scherer and all these people -
18:44 - 18:45who are explaining why Americans
-
18:45 - 18:47are in so much financial trouble,
-
18:47 - 18:48and each time of course
they're explaining about -
18:48 - 18:50how much we spend on clothing,
-
18:50 - 18:52how much we're spending on food,
-
18:52 - 18:53and how much we're spending on appliances.
-
18:53 - 18:56So yeah, just in your own
mind, pack all those in. -
18:56 - 18:58And of course, you know where I'm going.
-
18:58 - 19:0352% less on appliances than
they spent a generation ago. -
19:03 - 19:06And you get the rest of the pattern.
-
19:06 - 19:10Per car average, yeah,
we can talk about SUVs, -
19:10 - 19:15the size of a living room
and Corinthian leather -
19:15 - 19:16or whatever it is you think,
-
19:17 - 19:19with televisions in the back,
-
19:19 - 19:24the reality is the per car
cost of owning a car in America -
19:24 - 19:27has gone down 24% in 30 years.
-
19:27 - 19:28Principle reason for it,
-
19:28 - 19:31Americans today keep a car
more than two years longer -
19:31 - 19:33than they kept it 30 years ago,
-
19:33 - 19:36and repair costs have
dropped significantly. -
19:36 - 19:39So the per car, this is
what people really spend, -
19:39 - 19:42not what they projected might have spent,
-
19:42 - 19:44have gone down dramatically.
-
19:44 - 19:46Whoop, I'm getting a little fast here.
-
19:46 - 19:48So the question is,
-
19:48 - 19:50it's a little trigger-happy
with this thing, -
19:50 - 19:54so the question is if all
those things went down, -
19:54 - 19:57if clothing and food and
appliances and cars went down, -
19:57 - 19:58and by the way, I could and a lot of this
-
19:58 - 20:00with a lot more consumer goods,
-
20:00 - 20:05electronics went up, surprise,
surprise, 300 bucks, okay? -
20:05 - 20:08Dog food went up, baby food went down,
-
20:08 - 20:13cigarettes went down, liquor
went up, we should watch that, -
20:13 - 20:15dry cleaning went down.
-
20:15 - 20:20The point is there's
either wash or a negative -
20:20 - 20:23in terms of kind of ordinary consumption,
-
20:23 - 20:26the idea that we are an
over-consuming society, -
20:26 - 20:29what most people talk about
when they're consuming. -
20:29 - 20:31So where is the family spending more money
-
20:31 - 20:33than they spent a generation ago?
-
20:33 - 20:36Well, let's start with a
three-bedroom, one-bath house, -
20:36 - 20:39that the median income
family is paying for. -
20:40 - 20:43And there it is, inflation
adjusted dollars, -
20:43 - 20:48a 76% increase in what a
family spends on a mortgage. -
20:49 - 20:52That's the mortgage payment,
month in, month out. -
20:52 - 20:53Now think about that.
-
20:53 - 20:57We have much lower mortgage
rates than we had 30 years ago, -
20:57 - 20:59for those of you who are
old enough to remember, -
20:59 - 21:02but the difference is when
you take out a mortgage -
21:02 - 21:05for much more money, the low interest rate
-
21:05 - 21:08will not make up for that difference.
-
21:08 - 21:11And I want to emphasize here,
-
21:11 - 21:15the median sized house that
we're talking about here -
21:15 - 21:17did grow slightly in this period.
-
21:17 - 21:22It grew from 5.8 rooms to 6.1 rooms.
-
21:22 - 21:25So this is not about, and on average,
-
21:25 - 21:29this family, this median family either
-
21:29 - 21:32picked up a second bathroom
or a third bedroom, -
21:32 - 21:33but not both.
-
21:34 - 21:35So for those of you who want to say,
-
21:35 - 21:38"Oh but I've driven by the McMansions",
-
21:38 - 21:42"everybody has to have granite
countertops and spa bathrooms -
21:42 - 21:44"and media rooms, I've seen them,
-
21:44 - 21:45"I've seen them, I've seen them",
-
21:45 - 21:47and compare that with Levittown,
-
21:47 - 21:49which is more than 30 years ago,
-
21:49 - 21:52but to give the idea, all that tells us
-
21:52 - 21:55is that the new housing market has shifted
-
21:55 - 21:57from the entry level house,
-
21:57 - 22:01which is what was being built
in the 1950s and 1960s to, -
22:01 - 22:03on average, when you
buy a new house today, -
22:03 - 22:06it is your third to fourth house purchase,
-
22:06 - 22:08that is, you've moved up and moved up
-
22:08 - 22:10until you can afford this bigger house,
-
22:10 - 22:12in other words, housing is not being built
-
22:12 - 22:14for 70% of American families,
-
22:14 - 22:17it's being built for the top
20% of American families, -
22:17 - 22:18that's what we see when we see
-
22:18 - 22:20the new construction that's underway.
-
22:20 - 22:23For the average family today,
-
22:23 - 22:26they are about 50% more
likely to be in a house -
22:26 - 22:28more than 25 years old
-
22:28 - 22:31and have all of the attendant
expenses for maintenance, -
22:31 - 22:36but just looking at the
mortgage, 76% more for a mortgage -
22:36 - 22:38than they had a generation ago.
-
22:38 - 22:41Okay, well what's the next
one they spent money on? -
22:41 - 22:42Health insurance.
-
22:42 - 22:44This is my family that's healthy.
-
22:45 - 22:49And my family, because
I've loaded the dice here, -
22:49 - 22:53that's lucky enough to have an employer
-
22:53 - 22:54who sponsors health insurance,
-
22:54 - 22:57so I'm gonna make an
apples-to-apples comparison -
22:57 - 23:01of employer-sponsored health insurance,
-
23:01 - 23:03how much more two does today's family pay?
-
23:03 - 23:08And the answer is they pay 74%
in inflation adjusted dollars -
23:08 - 23:11more than they did a generation ago.
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23:11 - 23:14Third one, cars, increase of 52%.
-
23:14 - 23:15Okay, Warren, how did you get cars
-
23:15 - 23:17both above the line and below the line?
-
23:17 - 23:22Well, I teach commercial
law, but the answer is, -
23:22 - 23:26the median family with two
people in the workforce -
23:26 - 23:27has moved from being a one-car family
-
23:27 - 23:29to being a two-car family.
-
23:29 - 23:31Families living out in the suburbs,
-
23:31 - 23:32even if they keep a parent at home
-
23:32 - 23:35can't get by on one car much of the time,
-
23:35 - 23:37they've got to have two cars
-
23:37 - 23:39in order to be able to get to the doctor,
-
23:39 - 23:41to be able to get to the grocery store.
-
23:41 - 23:44So families spend more
because they have more cars -
23:44 - 23:46than they used to have.
-
23:46 - 23:49Fourth-biggest, remember, I've
got my mom, dad and two kids -
23:49 - 23:50and of course the big difference was
-
23:50 - 23:52mom was at home a generation ago,
-
23:52 - 23:56today she is out in the
workforce is childcare. -
23:56 - 23:59Now I put childcare at a 100% increase.
-
23:59 - 24:02In fact, you may remember from third grade
-
24:02 - 24:04that you can't divide by zero,
-
24:04 - 24:06so I could have picked 1,000% or 1%,
-
24:06 - 24:08or whatever I wanted to pick here,
-
24:08 - 24:11it is a new expense picked
up by the two-income family -
24:11 - 24:14that was simply not there
for the one-income family. -
24:14 - 24:18And we have one more
expense, and it's taxes. -
24:18 - 24:22What's happened with taxes is
that progressive tax system, -
24:22 - 24:25as mildly progressive as it is,
-
24:25 - 24:29the first dollar that the
second earner earns is taxed -
24:29 - 24:31after the last dollar of the first earner,
-
24:31 - 24:35so it means that the tax
rate for this economic unit -
24:35 - 24:39has gone out by about 25%
in this period of time. -
24:39 - 24:43Okay, so there it is, downs and ups.
-
24:43 - 24:45And I hope there are two
things you notice about -
24:45 - 24:46the downs and ups.
-
24:46 - 24:51The first one is the downs
frankly are all smaller purchases -
24:51 - 24:54than the ups are, and that's bad news.
-
24:54 - 24:58And the second is the downs
are all flexible purchases, -
24:58 - 25:01that is, lose your job, get sick,
-
25:01 - 25:04have a tough month with various expenses,
-
25:04 - 25:06you cut back on the downs,
-
25:06 - 25:08don't buy appliances this month,
-
25:08 - 25:10cut back on food, it's
not that you quit eating, -
25:10 - 25:12but you know, there's a difference between
-
25:12 - 25:14macaroni and cheese and steak.
-
25:14 - 25:17Families have flexibility in
all the things that shrunk, -
25:17 - 25:20they shrunk the things
where flexibility is, -
25:20 - 25:21but look at those other expenses,
-
25:21 - 25:25those other expenses are big,
fixed, relentless expenses. -
25:25 - 25:27And so this gets to what I think of
-
25:27 - 25:32as the heart of what my research
is about up to this point -
25:33 - 25:36and that is what these families look like,
-
25:36 - 25:38and I do look at this the
way a commercial lawyer does, -
25:38 - 25:41if this were a little business,
-
25:41 - 25:42what these families look at.
-
25:42 - 25:47The single income family
back in the early 1970s -
25:47 - 25:49earned less money,
-
25:49 - 25:50that's the first thing
you'll notice here, right? -
25:50 - 25:53They're making about $32,000.
-
25:53 - 25:56This is all inflation
adjusted dollars again. -
25:56 - 25:58And you notice, of course,
-
25:58 - 25:59they're making a whole lot more money,
-
25:59 - 26:02making about $63,000,
-
26:02 - 26:04about $73,000 in the early 2000s.
-
26:07 - 26:10But notice those five
expenses that I gave you -
26:10 - 26:14on the preceding chart,
that's the part that's in red. -
26:14 - 26:19The early family is spending
right at half its income -
26:19 - 26:20on these big fixed expenses,
-
26:20 - 26:23these expenses that are
very difficult to cut down, -
26:23 - 26:25to trim back, to cope with.
-
26:26 - 26:30And that family, by the early 2000s,
-
26:30 - 26:34has committed three
quarters of their income -
26:34 - 26:38in order to meet those
five basic expenses. -
26:39 - 26:44In fact, you'll notice the math
we've done here, the family, -
26:44 - 26:47the two-income family,
the mom, dad and two kids, -
26:47 - 26:49the prototype of the family
that's supposed to be -
26:49 - 26:50working in America,
-
26:50 - 26:53the one that's supposed
to be making it all, -
26:53 - 26:56by the time they pay
their five basic expenses, -
26:57 - 27:02they have less money left
over, fewer total dollars, -
27:02 - 27:05than their one-income
parents had a generation ago. -
27:06 - 27:09And now from the point of view
of a commercial law scholar, -
27:09 - 27:12if I were simply looking at
them and these were businesses, -
27:12 - 27:15this is, Business A is on the the far side
-
27:15 - 27:18and Business B is on the
near side, I'd say, well, -
27:18 - 27:20Business B is gonna go
broke a lot more often -
27:20 - 27:25than Business A because they
have so much less flexibility, -
27:25 - 27:28so much more debt, they're
much more deeply leveraged, -
27:28 - 27:32and they're gonna have more
of a harder time economically. -
27:32 - 27:37And in fact, that's about what's
happened to these families. -
27:37 - 27:41So there's the heart, now I
want to shift this a little bit -
27:41 - 27:44to say that's the economics
of what's happened. -
27:44 - 27:45We've seen it on the income side,
-
27:45 - 27:46we've seen what happened
on the expense side, -
27:46 - 27:49and we've seen what it did
to the American budget, -
27:49 - 27:54how it changed and made this
a riskier economic unit, -
27:54 - 27:56but now what I want to do
is I want to press on how -
27:56 - 28:01this family in the 2000s
faces in fact even more risk -
28:02 - 28:04than these numbers suggest.
-
28:04 - 28:06All right, first part,
let's think about it -
28:06 - 28:08from the income side.
-
28:08 - 28:13The family of the early 2000s
now has to have two incomes -
28:14 - 28:16in order to keep its health insurance,
-
28:16 - 28:20to make its house payment,
to keep its cars on the road. -
28:22 - 28:24That means, just statistically speaking,
-
28:24 - 28:28if the risk of losing your job
had stayed exactly the same -
28:28 - 28:32over the last generation,
the family on the right -
28:32 - 28:35has twice the risk of
the family on the left -
28:35 - 28:38of not being able to make
the mortgage payment. -
28:38 - 28:40Yes, they've diversified,
they won't go to zero, -
28:40 - 28:41but the point is, they won't have enough
-
28:41 - 28:43to make the mortgage payment.
-
28:43 - 28:46So what we've got now
is we've got families -
28:46 - 28:49who don't have to bring in 52 checks
-
28:49 - 28:52in order to be able to make
the monthly mortgage payment, -
28:52 - 28:55they got to bring in 104.
-
28:55 - 28:59And if either of them loses their job,
-
28:59 - 29:00they don't make the mortgage payment,
-
29:00 - 29:02they're flat out of luck.
-
29:02 - 29:04Let me say this another way,
-
29:04 - 29:05'cause I want to give it one more twist.
-
29:05 - 29:09The family on the left has
has a hidden resource here. -
29:09 - 29:13They have another worker,
the added worker effect. -
29:13 - 29:16If dad, and that's how it
usually was, loses his job -
29:16 - 29:20or has a heart attack and can't
go to work for three months, -
29:20 - 29:23the family on the left has
somebody they can send in -
29:23 - 29:24to the workforce.
-
29:24 - 29:26Now she doesn't make as
much money as she does -
29:26 - 29:28by the year 2000,
-
29:28 - 29:29she doesn't have as much education,
-
29:29 - 29:31she doesn't have as much
on-the-job training, -
29:31 - 29:32but, and here's the key,
-
29:32 - 29:34every dollar she earns is a new dollar.
-
29:34 - 29:37It's an unbudgeted
dollar that was not part -
29:37 - 29:39of what they originally had.
-
29:39 - 29:41So for example, the family on the left
-
29:41 - 29:43that collects unemployment insurance,
-
29:43 - 29:47combined with the additional
income that mom can bring in -
29:47 - 29:49for a temporary period of employment,
-
29:49 - 29:51they got a chance, they'll go down some,
-
29:51 - 29:53but they got a chance to pull through
-
29:53 - 29:55and come back up on the other side.
-
29:55 - 29:58The family on the right,
if something goes wrong, -
29:58 - 29:59there's no place to go,
-
29:59 - 30:02they've already got their
other person not only at work -
30:02 - 30:03but already fully budgeted,
-
30:03 - 30:06they've already given up that income fully
-
30:07 - 30:09in order to survive.
-
30:09 - 30:12But the risk of losing your job,
-
30:12 - 30:15the risk of losing
income didn't stay steady -
30:15 - 30:18between the early 1970s and today.
-
30:18 - 30:22I draw here on Jacob Hacker's work,
-
30:22 - 30:26some of you may be familiar
with it, "The Great Risk Shift". -
30:26 - 30:29What Jacob has done in this has looked at
-
30:29 - 30:34a family's chance of a 20%
or greater drop in income. -
30:34 - 30:37And he starts back in 1970,
-
30:37 - 30:41Jacob is a good friend and
will stick with the same years -
30:41 - 30:44I want to go with, and he goes up to 2003,
-
30:44 - 30:48and you notice how income volatility
-
30:48 - 30:50has gone up in this period of time.
-
30:50 - 30:52So now we've got that family,
-
30:52 - 30:57not only struggling because
they got to have 104 paychecks, -
30:57 - 30:59struggling because the
odds that one of them -
30:59 - 31:01will be laid off has
gone up from where it was -
31:01 - 31:02a generation ago.
-
31:02 - 31:04Okay, so that's where they
are on the income side, -
31:04 - 31:05in terms of risk.
-
31:05 - 31:09This is risk this little unit has to bear.
-
31:09 - 31:11Let's think about health.
-
31:11 - 31:13Okay, same argument I
could make as before. -
31:13 - 31:15They now have double the chance
-
31:15 - 31:17that someone will be in a car accident,
-
31:17 - 31:19one of their two workers,
-
31:19 - 31:21and won't be able to go
to work and therefore -
31:21 - 31:24make enough money to
pay a mortgage payment, -
31:24 - 31:27but this family now faces additional risks
-
31:27 - 31:29on the health side as well.
-
31:29 - 31:31What additional risks do they face?
-
31:31 - 31:33Well, I'll pop forward to one,
-
31:33 - 31:36and that is the increased odds
-
31:36 - 31:38that they won't have health insurance.
-
31:38 - 31:41Those odds have gone up
over the past 20 years, -
31:41 - 31:43but the ones I like to think about,
-
31:43 - 31:44I keep coming back to this one
-
31:44 - 31:46because it's my favorite slide,
-
31:46 - 31:48the ones I like to think about
-
31:48 - 31:51are that the world of healthcare
has changed in 30 years. -
31:51 - 31:53So let me just give you an example.
-
31:53 - 31:56In 1971, a woman who was healthy
-
31:56 - 31:58and gave birth to a healthy baby,
-
31:58 - 32:00ordinary delivery, non-cesarean,
-
32:00 - 32:03stayed in the hospital for five days
-
32:03 - 32:05after the day the baby was born,
-
32:05 - 32:06that's what insurance paid for,
-
32:06 - 32:08that's what the hospital expected.
-
32:08 - 32:09You could go home earlier if you wanted to
-
32:09 - 32:11but you're entitled to
five days in the hospital. -
32:11 - 32:13If you had a cesarean, 10,
-
32:13 - 32:15that you got to stay in 1971.
-
32:15 - 32:19And you know what the numbers are in 2006?
-
32:19 - 32:2024 hours, okay?
-
32:20 - 32:2324 hours, and keep in
mind, in some places, -
32:23 - 32:25that's by legislation,
-
32:25 - 32:27because they were trying
to push them out faster. -
32:27 - 32:31How have we made gains
in hospital efficiency -
32:31 - 32:33over the past 30 years?
-
32:33 - 32:34You send home the sick people.
-
32:35 - 32:37It really works, there is a policy,
-
32:37 - 32:40we never want to talk about
this in the United States, -
32:40 - 32:42it's known in the trade,
in the hospital trade, -
32:42 - 32:45is send them home quicker and sicker.
-
32:47 - 32:51They save money by letting the
family provide nursing care -
32:51 - 32:52instead of having the hospital,
-
32:52 - 32:56so you still have your
surgery done at the hospital, -
32:56 - 33:00but it's the family that will
take care of you post-surgery. -
33:00 - 33:05And so today we witness the
spectacle of my mother-in-law, -
33:06 - 33:10a woman in her 80s where
someone's trying to explain to her -
33:10 - 33:13how it is that she can wash a tube
-
33:15 - 33:18and rinse things out and give injections,
-
33:18 - 33:20my sister-in-law was just asked to do this
-
33:20 - 33:22when my brother had some surgery,
-
33:22 - 33:25we're gonna train the family to take care,
-
33:25 - 33:27only they're both at work.
-
33:27 - 33:31And the consequence of this
means that for these families -
33:31 - 33:33with everybody in the
workforce, somebody gets sick, -
33:33 - 33:34you just take off work,
-
33:34 - 33:36'cause somebody's gonna
have to take care of them, -
33:36 - 33:37somebody's gonna have to
'cause you're not gonna get -
33:37 - 33:40this extra period of nursing care.
-
33:40 - 33:42It's just another way
to give one more push. -
33:42 - 33:45How about if a kid gets sick, a child?
-
33:45 - 33:46I mean something really serious,
-
33:46 - 33:49grandma falls and breaks a hip.
-
33:49 - 33:51A generation ago, there
was someone at home -
33:51 - 33:53to provide that nursing care,
-
33:53 - 33:55for that extra eight
weeks that grandma needed -
33:55 - 33:56some extra help.
-
33:56 - 34:00Today, the illness of a family member
-
34:00 - 34:03has a direct income impact for people
-
34:03 - 34:05who aren't lucky enough
to have jobs that pay you -
34:05 - 34:06even when you're not at work.
-
34:06 - 34:10So the consequence is we
end up with these families, -
34:10 - 34:12the child gets sick,
-
34:12 - 34:15I read these stories over and
over in my bankruptcy files, -
34:15 - 34:17the child gets sick,
-
34:17 - 34:18mom stays at the hospital with the child
-
34:18 - 34:20until she loses her job.
-
34:21 - 34:24There are income effects
now from any illness -
34:24 - 34:26anywhere in the family.
-
34:26 - 34:31So we end up with a family
once again bearing more risk -
34:31 - 34:33that someone will get sick,
-
34:33 - 34:36and we can just keep multiplying this.
-
34:36 - 34:39What are the odds of spending $10,000
-
34:39 - 34:40in an emergency room today
-
34:40 - 34:42compared to spending
$10,000 in an emergency room -
34:42 - 34:43a generation ago?
-
34:43 - 34:46One more that I just have to mention
-
34:46 - 34:48that we can't quantify
yet but I'm watching it -
34:48 - 34:51is that insurance itself has changed
-
34:51 - 34:53in terms of how much of the medical cost
-
34:53 - 34:56is actually covered.
-
34:56 - 34:58We now have floating around in America,
-
34:58 - 34:59I just, I don't know what else to call it
-
34:59 - 35:01except faux insurance,
-
35:01 - 35:02people who think they're insured
-
35:02 - 35:06until they actually get sick
and need their insurance -
35:06 - 35:08and it turns out that, well,
-
35:08 - 35:09yeah, you have insurance,
-
35:09 - 35:12I love the Utah policy that our
-
35:12 - 35:17Secretary of Health Education and Welfare
-
35:17 - 35:20comes out and says, "I got
everybody in Utah insured, -
35:20 - 35:23"except it doesn't cover hospitalization.
-
35:23 - 35:24(audience laughing)
-
35:24 - 35:26"And it doesn't cover specialists."
-
35:27 - 35:28And you call that,
-
35:28 - 35:30and of course, it doesn't
cover prescription drugs, -
35:30 - 35:32and it doesn't cover
supplies and it doesn't, -
35:32 - 35:35there's more than it doesn't
cover than it does cover. -
35:35 - 35:39So all of this is being
pushed back on the family. -
35:40 - 35:42So let me take one more twist on it,
-
35:42 - 35:45so we've got changes in jobs,
changes in health insurance, -
35:45 - 35:46changes to healthcare,
-
35:46 - 35:48what it cost to do health and care,
-
35:48 - 35:51and I just want to put
one more tweak into it -
35:51 - 35:54and that is to talk
about the special risks -
35:54 - 35:57facing families with children.
-
35:57 - 35:59I've made this my iconic family,
-
36:00 - 36:03but I want to make two points
about the iconic family here, -
36:03 - 36:06the mom, dad and two kids.
-
36:06 - 36:09This is how it works for
mom, dad and two kids. -
36:09 - 36:13Think how it works for
either a mom and two kids -
36:13 - 36:15or a dad and two kids.
-
36:16 - 36:17They are now competing,
-
36:17 - 36:21I actually met a woman, it
was a wonderful exchange, -
36:21 - 36:24I was sitting on an airplane
right after the book came out, -
36:24 - 36:25"The Two-Income Trap"
and I had it on my lap -
36:25 - 36:28and this woman next to me said,
"Have you read that book?" -
36:28 - 36:30(audience laughing)
And I said, "Mm-hmm." -
36:30 - 36:34And she said, "I'm a divorced mother",
-
36:34 - 36:35and she said, "I'm an accountant."
-
36:35 - 36:36She said, "I make a good income,
-
36:36 - 36:39"I make above a median income
in the United States today." -
36:39 - 36:42She said, "I could make it,
I could support my two kids -
36:42 - 36:44"on what I get for child support.
-
36:46 - 36:48"I could do it if I were only competing
-
36:48 - 36:50"against other one-income households,
-
36:50 - 36:54"for the basics, for
housing, for healthcare, -
36:54 - 36:55"for all the things we're buying."
-
36:55 - 36:58But she said, "I'm competing
against two-income households." -
36:58 - 36:59And she said, "I just can't do it."
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36:59 - 37:02She said, "I can't hang
on, I can't make it." -
37:02 - 37:04So that's the first
part I want you to see, -
37:04 - 37:06the one-income family
gets the lower income, -
37:06 - 37:09still faces high expenses,
still wants the house -
37:09 - 37:12and so on and so forth, and
faces all the same risks -
37:12 - 37:16with no one to back up and
provide that second income, -
37:16 - 37:19but I want to step forward
to say something else -
37:19 - 37:23about families with children and that is
-
37:23 - 37:24this goes back to Hacker's work,
-
37:24 - 37:29percentage increase in
volatility by family type -
37:29 - 37:32from 1970 to 2003.
-
37:32 - 37:35And notice what Hacker points out here.
-
37:35 - 37:36For those of you can't read the wording
-
37:36 - 37:38all the way over to the far side,
-
37:38 - 37:40green is single without children,
-
37:40 - 37:42that's how much income volatility,
-
37:42 - 37:44and look, that's substantial
income volatility -
37:44 - 37:47that we've got there, in the high 30s.
-
37:47 - 37:52Single with children, a little above 40%.
-
37:52 - 37:55Married without children, you
get about a 70% volatility. -
37:55 - 37:59And married with children
pushes up to about 95% -
37:59 - 38:03increase in volatility
over the past generation. -
38:03 - 38:05Now, are families struggling with this?
-
38:05 - 38:07Well, let me show you some of my data.
-
38:09 - 38:10Oh, not my data, government data,
-
38:10 - 38:12I never know what the
next slide is going to be, -
38:12 - 38:14keeps me on my toes.
-
38:14 - 38:16The next one is to disaggregate
-
38:16 - 38:18a little bit more about housing,
-
38:18 - 38:19we talked just a little
bit about it before. -
38:19 - 38:21This is one of those charts,
-
38:21 - 38:22it doesn't fit perfectly
with what I'm talking about -
38:22 - 38:24because the years aren't quite right,
-
38:24 - 38:26this is some government data I found.
-
38:26 - 38:29Only goes back to 1983,
-
38:29 - 38:34but notice what it shows, that
increase in housing costs, -
38:34 - 38:35what families are paying for mortgages,
-
38:35 - 38:37not my part in general,
-
38:37 - 38:39they've done it the other way around,
-
38:39 - 38:41what they're paying for the house itself,
-
38:41 - 38:42what the cost of the house is.
-
38:42 - 38:47We saw a 50% increase among
the families with no children, -
38:47 - 38:50inflation adjusted and what housing costs,
-
38:50 - 38:53but you notice among
families with children, -
38:53 - 38:54it's 100% increase,
-
38:54 - 38:58a full 100% increase in
inflation adjusted dollars -
38:58 - 39:01for what a home costs for
families with children. -
39:01 - 39:03Now we're gonna save plenty
of time here for Q and A -
39:03 - 39:04because I think that's more fun
-
39:04 - 39:07than having to listen to a lecture,
-
39:07 - 39:09but I'll tell you at least
how I read this chart. -
39:09 - 39:10Families are going to schools.
-
39:11 - 39:14People without children
don't have to buy schools, -
39:14 - 39:16and so they buy from
a wider pool of homes, -
39:16 - 39:19they can look at a lot of homes
in a lot of neighborhoods. -
39:19 - 39:22Families with children are
buying what they believe -
39:22 - 39:24is a shrinking resource, that is,
-
39:24 - 39:26places where you can have
decent public schools -
39:26 - 39:28and send your children to public schools.
-
39:28 - 39:31And in fact, we can triangulate
these data in other ways, -
39:31 - 39:33so that you'll love this.
-
39:33 - 39:36I wonder, I was gonna it's
gonna say it would happen -
39:36 - 39:37only outside Boston,
-
39:37 - 39:39but I bet it also
happens outside Berkeley, -
39:39 - 39:41we just have the data outside Boston,
-
39:41 - 39:46a five point increase in
third grade reading scores -
39:48 - 39:52between two side-by-side municipalities
-
39:52 - 39:55in the Boston suburbs that are
otherwise matched for access -
39:55 - 39:57to public transportation
and size of houses, -
39:57 - 39:58they've measured for everything,
-
39:58 - 40:02sidewalks, crime rates,
racial composition, -
40:02 - 40:03everything you want to look at,
-
40:03 - 40:06five points in third grade reading scores
-
40:06 - 40:09translates into tens of thousands
of dollars of difference -
40:09 - 40:11in housing prices.
-
40:11 - 40:13Parents are buying schools.
-
40:14 - 40:16There was a great one out of San Diego,
-
40:16 - 40:17study out of San Diego,
-
40:17 - 40:19where they were having
parents do preferences -
40:19 - 40:20on where they buy,
-
40:20 - 40:23parents would rather
live near a toxic dump -
40:23 - 40:26than live in a place where they thought
-
40:26 - 40:27the schools were underperforming,
-
40:27 - 40:29where they thought their
children would not have -
40:29 - 40:31as good a chance in school,
and I think that's what we're, -
40:31 - 40:33that's a large part of
what we're seeing here. -
40:33 - 40:36So parents say, "I've gotta
have those good schools, -
40:36 - 40:41"I gotta get out there, I gotta
push, I gotta get forward." -
40:42 - 40:45They're spending more
as we've talked about, -
40:45 - 40:49so what happens to them
when they push this hard? -
40:49 - 40:52Well, there comes in
just a little touch of -
40:52 - 40:55what I want to talk about
with the safety net. -
40:55 - 40:58What's happened to the American safety net
-
40:58 - 40:59for these families?
-
40:59 - 41:02Well, the first part is
the personal safety net, -
41:02 - 41:03the part you build yourself.
-
41:03 - 41:05We've already looked at the data on that.
-
41:05 - 41:08Less savings, more debt,
-
41:08 - 41:10more people without health insurance
-
41:10 - 41:11than we've ever had before.
-
41:11 - 41:13And by the way, I should
make a point on this, -
41:13 - 41:15more people without health insurance,
-
41:16 - 41:19it's really been important to see here
-
41:19 - 41:22how much lack of health
insurance in the 1970s, -
41:22 - 41:25the typical modal uninsured person
-
41:25 - 41:30was an unmarried male, no
children, 23 years old. -
41:30 - 41:35Today, modal is a 35
year old married person -
41:36 - 41:40with two children, has
no health insurance, -
41:40 - 41:42this is the largest group
when you start looking -
41:42 - 41:45at the groups who have
no health insurance. -
41:45 - 41:48In 2001,
-
41:48 - 41:531.4 million people lost
their health insurance. -
41:54 - 41:59Of those, 800,000 earned
more than $75,000 a year, -
42:00 - 42:04that is moved from the
insured to the uninsured ranks -
42:04 - 42:05that we have data for.
-
42:05 - 42:07So what we're starting to see is
-
42:07 - 42:09people who have no health insurance,
-
42:09 - 42:11the people who've lost that
part of their safety net -
42:11 - 42:14are increasingly among
in the middle class. -
42:14 - 42:17We could pick some
others that shift between -
42:17 - 42:21the defined benefit plan and
the defined contribution plan, -
42:21 - 42:25for those of you who who keep
up with the pension lingo. -
42:25 - 42:27What it basically means is the shift
-
42:27 - 42:32so that you put in money,
and you take the risk -
42:32 - 42:34of how long you'll live, that is,
-
42:34 - 42:35whether or not you'll outlive your money
-
42:35 - 42:39versus the defined benefit plan which is
-
42:39 - 42:41you get a certain amount until you die.
-
42:41 - 42:45We've moved very much to
the former from the latter, -
42:45 - 42:47so you have a real chance to outlive.
-
42:47 - 42:50Those are on the personal side.
-
42:50 - 42:52If you take a look on the public side,
-
42:52 - 42:56we've had the same kind of
erosion of the safety net, -
42:56 - 42:59and that is unemployment benefits
-
42:59 - 43:02no longer is a proportion of income,
-
43:02 - 43:05are nearly as high as
they were 30 years ago, -
43:05 - 43:08so they're not providing
the same kind of safety. -
43:09 - 43:13I would make a pitch that what
we pay for public education -
43:13 - 43:15to launch our children
into the middle class -
43:16 - 43:18has eroded sharply.
-
43:18 - 43:20And I'll make the pitch this way,
-
43:20 - 43:21I'm giving you lots of different pieces
-
43:21 - 43:24that we can talk about here,
but here's the way it goes. -
43:25 - 43:30In 1970, it took 12
years to educate a child -
43:30 - 43:32to go forward into the middle class.
-
43:32 - 43:33How do I know that?
-
43:33 - 43:36I know that from looking
at Gallup polling data -
43:36 - 43:38about what parents
thought it took to make it -
43:38 - 43:39in the middle class.
-
43:39 - 43:42And the answer was a high school diploma,
-
43:42 - 43:43a good work ethic,
-
43:43 - 43:45there were parents who
believed in college, -
43:45 - 43:47but they believed that you could make it
-
43:47 - 43:50in the middle class with
a high school diploma -
43:50 - 43:52and a willingness to work hard.
-
43:52 - 43:54Roll that forward to the year 2002,
-
43:56 - 43:58here's a great number for you,
-
43:58 - 44:02twice as many people in America by 2002
-
44:02 - 44:06believe that the moon
shot landing was faked, -
44:07 - 44:11and they filmed in Burbank, California,
-
44:12 - 44:15than believe you can make
it into the middle class -
44:15 - 44:18in America without a college diploma.
-
44:19 - 44:24Americans who differ on
everything have adopted wholesale -
44:24 - 44:29in a single generation that
there is a single ticket -
44:29 - 44:33to the middle class, and
that is a college diploma. -
44:33 - 44:35Now, all by itself, would
I be opposed to this? -
44:35 - 44:36Are you kidding?
-
44:36 - 44:40I'm in the education biz,
I think this is fabulous. -
44:40 - 44:41Everyone should go to college,
-
44:41 - 44:43my dog should get a college education,
-
44:43 - 44:47I'm for college educations,
I think that's terrific. -
44:47 - 44:50The difference is when you
look at middle class families, -
44:50 - 44:55if you needed 12 years back
in 1970, taxpayer paid for it. -
44:55 - 44:57You got it all for free.
-
44:57 - 45:00All you had to do was show
up, live there and show up. -
45:01 - 45:05By the year 2000, if you
need a college diploma, -
45:05 - 45:07you've gotta pay for it
yourself, by and short. -
45:07 - 45:09Berkeley, other state supported schools,
-
45:09 - 45:12I guess that means you guys
are not paying any tuition? -
45:13 - 45:15Room, board, books, right?
-
45:15 - 45:16It's not very much,
-
45:16 - 45:18I guess you borrowed maybe a dollar or two
-
45:19 - 45:20in order to do this,
-
45:20 - 45:22but notice what that means,
-
45:22 - 45:26it means the launch, what
the parents have to do -
45:26 - 45:30to get this next generation in
the middle class has shifted -
45:30 - 45:32from being something
that everybody pays for, -
45:32 - 45:34the taxpayer pays for,
-
45:34 - 45:38to something only the families
with children are paying for. -
45:38 - 45:39I'll make the same point, by the way,
-
45:39 - 45:41on the other end of
the education spectrum. -
45:42 - 45:44In 1970, I actually went
back and looked at this data, -
45:44 - 45:47it surprised me, almost no one
-
45:47 - 45:49sent their children to preschool.
-
45:50 - 45:52And in fact, if you go
back and read the articles, -
45:52 - 45:55you read Dr. Spock from
the 1970s editions, -
45:55 - 45:571960s, 1970s editions,
-
45:57 - 45:59they can play with the
neighborhood children, -
45:59 - 46:03they'll be fine, and only a tiny fraction
-
46:03 - 46:06of American children are in preschool.
-
46:06 - 46:08Today, it's totally flipped.
-
46:08 - 46:12Basically through all the education folks,
-
46:12 - 46:15early childhood specialists,
they are completely in for -
46:15 - 46:17children under two years have preschool.
-
46:18 - 46:23And once again, who pays for
the two years of preschool? -
46:23 - 46:25It's paid for by the family.
-
46:25 - 46:26So one way you could look at this
-
46:26 - 46:28is in the space of a generation,
-
46:28 - 46:32we went from 12 years being
enough to push that kid forward -
46:32 - 46:34to adding two more years, that's 14,
-
46:34 - 46:38and four more years, that's
18 years of education -
46:38 - 46:40in order to push those kids forward,
-
46:40 - 46:43only the difference now
is the family privately -
46:43 - 46:46pays for a third of the
education themselves. -
46:46 - 46:48And we could have some great fun
-
46:48 - 46:49with what the education costs.
-
46:51 - 46:54Recently, it's been about three years ago,
-
46:54 - 46:59Chicago, city of Chicago
publicly supported -
46:59 - 47:04preschool programs, there was
already some tax dollars in it -
47:04 - 47:05but the parents had to pay tuition.
-
47:05 - 47:08I always loved this one,
the tuition was larger -
47:08 - 47:11than the tuition at the
University of Illinois. -
47:11 - 47:13That's what the parents were
supposed to come up with -
47:13 - 47:17to put their three year
old into the system -
47:17 - 47:18that was gonna get them the education
-
47:18 - 47:20that was gonna get them
ultimately launched -
47:20 - 47:22into the middle class.
-
47:22 - 47:26So in that sense, we shrink
part of what's available -
47:26 - 47:28to support families with children
-
47:28 - 47:29so that they can move forward,
-
47:29 - 47:32so they can launch this next generation.
-
47:32 - 47:33So how have families responded to this?
-
47:33 - 47:35This is where I said I'll come to
-
47:35 - 47:37at least a little bit of my data here.
-
47:37 - 47:39Let me tell you about bankruptcy.
-
47:40 - 47:42What's happened with bankruptcy?
-
47:42 - 47:43What this one's about,
-
47:43 - 47:46I'll tell you what the
bright colors on here, -
47:46 - 47:49this is about bankruptcy
filing rates per thousand -
47:49 - 47:51in the population.
-
47:52 - 47:56And this is in 200 and 2001,
-
47:56 - 47:59I love this data, it's
got 2003 on these data. -
47:59 - 48:02Married couples are the
far one in the light blue, -
48:02 - 48:07about 7.4 married couples
per 1,000 married couples, -
48:07 - 48:09so each is being within their own group,
-
48:10 - 48:12filed for bankruptcy.
-
48:12 - 48:16Unmarried men, about 6.3 per 1,000.
-
48:16 - 48:21Unmarried women, about 7.2 per 1,000.
-
48:21 - 48:24But the trick here for
all three of these groups -
48:24 - 48:26is they are all childless groups.
-
48:26 - 48:29So I've got them, all you've
got them in their graphics, -
48:29 - 48:33they're couples, men,
men alone, women alone, -
48:33 - 48:34and none of them have children.
-
48:34 - 48:37These are the bankruptcy filing
rates in the United States -
48:37 - 48:39in the early 2000s.
-
48:39 - 48:41Now let's add in children.
-
48:44 - 48:47Turquoise, again, is married couples,
-
48:47 - 48:49only this time with children.
-
48:49 - 48:54It's jumped, the filing rate
has jumped to 15 per 1,000, -
48:54 - 48:57and among women heads of household,
-
48:57 - 48:59no husband in the household,
-
48:59 - 49:01it has jumped to 23 per 1,000.
-
49:01 - 49:04You notice by the way,
unmarried men with children -
49:04 - 49:06fall out statistically
because there aren't enough -
49:06 - 49:10to be able to say something
that's statistically valid -
49:10 - 49:12about what's going on here.
-
49:12 - 49:17So what this one tells me is
that families with children -
49:17 - 49:21are under enormous financial stress.
-
49:21 - 49:24I watch them, I study them
from the bankruptcy end -
49:24 - 49:26of the spectrum which
is where they end up, -
49:26 - 49:28and let me tell you a little bit about
-
49:28 - 49:30why they file for bankruptcy.
-
49:30 - 49:3590% of those families file
for one of three reasons; -
49:36 - 49:40Job loss, medical problem in the family,
-
49:40 - 49:43sometimes the wage
earner, sometimes a child, -
49:44 - 49:46or family breakup, either
a death in the family -
49:46 - 49:48or a divorce in the family.
-
49:48 - 49:50In fact, nearly half the families
-
49:50 - 49:53have at least two of those three,
-
49:53 - 49:57and about 20% have been
hit by three out of three. -
49:59 - 50:02That's how it is that
they end up in bankruptcy. -
50:02 - 50:05Now let me give you an idea
of what these numbers mean -
50:05 - 50:08so I can put it in a little
bit different context. -
50:08 - 50:10These families that are
filing for bankruptcy, -
50:10 - 50:15families with children,
more children live in homes -
50:15 - 50:20that will file for bankruptcy this year
-
50:20 - 50:23than live in homes that
will file for divorce. -
50:24 - 50:26That is, there are more
children in America, -
50:26 - 50:29and this has been true by
the way since the late 1990s, -
50:29 - 50:32every year, more children
are going through -
50:32 - 50:35their parents' bankruptcy
than are going through -
50:35 - 50:37their parents' divorce.
-
50:37 - 50:39So let me say that to you a different way.
-
50:39 - 50:40You know anybody who
got divorced any time, -
50:40 - 50:42say in the last six or seven years,
-
50:43 - 50:46you know some children who live in homes
-
50:46 - 50:48where mom and dad have split up,
-
50:49 - 50:53then you, statistically
speaking, know more, -
50:53 - 50:55random cross-sections of America,
-
50:55 - 50:58you know more who went bankrupt.
-
50:58 - 51:00Why do you think you don't
know more that went bankrupt? -
51:00 - 51:02And that's because you can't hide divorce,
-
51:02 - 51:04but you can sure hide bankruptcy.
-
51:04 - 51:06And that's what people have done.
-
51:06 - 51:08There's an enormous stigma
-
51:08 - 51:10attached to filing for bankruptcy.
-
51:10 - 51:13When we interviewed the families
-
51:13 - 51:16who had filed for
bankruptcy, quite frankly, -
51:16 - 51:20I was shameless about
this, we paid them $50 -
51:20 - 51:24if they would take extensive
telephone surveys for us -
51:24 - 51:28about bankruptcy, and so we
got very high response rates, -
51:28 - 51:30but one of the key things
we learned early on -
51:30 - 51:34is that people would
say, "Don't use the word, -
51:34 - 51:36"partly because I can't bear to hear it,
-
51:36 - 51:38"and partly because I'm
afraid the child will pick up -
51:38 - 51:40"an extension phone, or
someone will walk into the room -
51:40 - 51:45"and hear me say it, and we
don't want anyone to know." -
51:45 - 51:50About 85% of the families that
were filing for bankruptcy -
51:50 - 51:54were hiding it from their own
parents, from their siblings, -
51:54 - 51:56from their best friends,
and in some cases, -
51:56 - 51:58from their own children.
-
51:59 - 52:02Many of them said they had other stories.
-
52:02 - 52:04Yeah, they were giving up the house,
-
52:04 - 52:06and moving in with Bob's mom
-
52:06 - 52:09because Bob's mom's health was not good.
-
52:10 - 52:12Yeah, that's a story you can tell.
-
52:12 - 52:14"We're moving across country
-
52:14 - 52:16"because there are better
job opportunities." -
52:16 - 52:18Yeah, they're moving across country
-
52:18 - 52:20hoping they can get a job,
-
52:20 - 52:24but going to live in rather
reduced circumstances. -
52:24 - 52:28So those are the families who
are filing for bankruptcy, -
52:28 - 52:31in part, the reflection of what's happened
-
52:31 - 52:33to this safety net.
-
52:33 - 52:34So I just want to wrap this up
-
52:34 - 52:37and open it up for some
questions and answers -
52:38 - 52:42because I just want to make
three or four big points -
52:42 - 52:44at the end here about about
what we're talking about -
52:44 - 52:48with these families in financial trouble.
-
52:48 - 52:50First I want to make is
a point about the poor. -
52:51 - 52:56I've hammered on the middle
class over and over and over, -
52:56 - 53:00and I've done it because for
everybody who cares about -
53:00 - 53:02poor families in America,
-
53:02 - 53:05you should be riveted on these data.
-
53:05 - 53:09Middle class families under
enormous economic stress -
53:09 - 53:11have fewer resources to give
-
53:11 - 53:12when we talk about how it is
-
53:12 - 53:15that we're going to help the poor.
-
53:15 - 53:19More importantly, they frankly
have less appetite to give, -
53:19 - 53:21when they see themselves
as already stretched, -
53:21 - 53:23when they see themselves
facing foreclosure notices -
53:23 - 53:27and bill collectors, they back off.
-
53:27 - 53:31And more critically, a middle
class that looks like this, -
53:31 - 53:34a middle class where people are
falling out and into poverty -
53:34 - 53:39is a middle class that has
less room to bring the poor up -
53:39 - 53:42and provide them the opportunities
to join the middle class. -
53:42 - 53:44I think people who talk
about the intractability -
53:44 - 53:47of poverty now are absolutely right,
-
53:47 - 53:50there are social issues
far beyond my expertise, -
53:50 - 53:54but this is an element of it
that no one's talking about. -
53:54 - 53:56There's no place for the poor to go,
-
53:56 - 53:59and not much help coming
from the middle class today -
53:59 - 54:01compared with even a generation ago.
-
54:02 - 54:04The second point I want to make about
-
54:04 - 54:06what these data speak to me about
-
54:06 - 54:10is that I fear we're moving
from a three class society -
54:10 - 54:12to a two class society.
-
54:13 - 54:17America has always been
sort of one of those -
54:17 - 54:21perfect distributions,
some poor, some rich, -
54:21 - 54:25and a big, big solid middle class
-
54:25 - 54:28stuck right there in the middle.
-
54:28 - 54:30Americans identify with the middle class,
-
54:32 - 54:33it affects our democracy,
-
54:33 - 54:35it's part of what gives us
our political stability, -
54:35 - 54:38it's what affects our economy
and drives our economy, -
54:38 - 54:40it affects our self-identity,
-
54:40 - 54:42it affects who we are in this world,
-
54:42 - 54:44but I fear that what's happening
-
54:44 - 54:45and what these data are about
-
54:45 - 54:49is that we actually are gonna
see a larger upper class. -
54:49 - 54:54We're seeing, not just the rich
rich, but the sort of rich, -
54:54 - 54:58the ones who have the same
jobs, bringing in two incomes, -
54:58 - 55:01who don't get sick, who don't lose a job,
-
55:01 - 55:03who in that income volatility,
-
55:03 - 55:05and the things that go
wrong in the medical world, -
55:05 - 55:08who don't divorce, who don't
have a death in the family, -
55:08 - 55:11who don't hit any of life's bumps,
-
55:11 - 55:12they stay with the upper group.
-
55:12 - 55:14They put away some savings,
-
55:14 - 55:17they don't get deep in debt, they do okay,
-
55:17 - 55:22and then the rest is just
one long trail of underclass -
55:22 - 55:26that stays on a constant debt treadmill.
-
55:26 - 55:27Sometimes it's a little more,
-
55:27 - 55:30sometimes it's a little
less, but never out of debt, -
55:30 - 55:32never any real economic security.
-
55:32 - 55:34I could change my metaphors,
-
55:34 - 55:35people who are just costantly living
-
55:35 - 55:37on the edge of a clif,
-
55:37 - 55:40some falling over, some
scratching back up a little, -
55:40 - 55:44but never with the kind of security
-
55:44 - 55:48that for the first three
quarters of a century, -
55:48 - 55:51were associated with being middle class.
-
55:51 - 55:54I worry about what that means.
-
55:54 - 55:57I worry that the middle class,
-
55:57 - 55:59which used to mean solid and boring
-
55:59 - 56:04and not worth studying, only
worth making fun of, you know, -
56:04 - 56:07"My parents were hopelessly
middle class", sort of remarks, -
56:08 - 56:12that that's kept us from seeing a problem
-
56:12 - 56:15in the middle class that threatens
-
56:15 - 56:18not just these families with
children that I've identified, -
56:18 - 56:22but really threatens the
fabric of our country. -
56:23 - 56:26We have a middle class today
that is newly weakened, -
56:27 - 56:32and I think what this means
is that it's time to realign -
56:32 - 56:37both our academic and our
political interests and alliances -
56:38 - 56:40to talk more about what's
happening to these families. -
56:40 - 56:42So with that, I'm gonna quit,
-
56:42 - 56:44and take as many questions as people have.
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56:44 - 56:48(audience applauding)
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56:48 - 56:50(dramatic music)
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