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Amara Town Hall -- Oct 23, 2012

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    (Hangouts Google+)
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    (amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:01:38])
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    (main screen shows Jules Rincón)
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    (amara - Amara Town Hall [up to 0:04:17])
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    (Subpage of Jules Rincón's Google+ page)
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    (Jules Rincón's Google+ page)
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    (Dean Jansen, mute [up to 0:04:35])
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    (Main screen: CART with CART testing texts [up to 0:05:13])
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    [Metallic voices, lots of static]
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    (Main screen: CART with CART testing texts)
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    [Dean Jansen] Hey everyone! We're just about to get started here.
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    This is Dean. We're trying to get some CART online for folks who are deaf or [audio stops]
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    [Dean Jansen] And I just had the YouTube video open in the other screen,
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    so I started hearing my own voice.
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    Hem, let's see: Michael Lockrey is having us get CART working
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    and you can see his screen right now, so hopefully we're going to start getting that -
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    Ah, there it goes, I think.
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    Hem, and then we've just got a couple other things to get going.
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    Jules has her sound working, she's in a bit of a noisy environment,
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    so I'll be doing much of the - much of the talking,
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    but we'll definitely want to hear a little bit from Jules, as long as things don't get to loud there.
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    I'm being told that my microphone is a bit low. Can folks hear me OK?
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    And you should definitely set the capt- errh, the comments in the YouTube video
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    to display automatic updates.
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    There is - I see already a lot of folks in there commenting,
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    Darren, Claude, Seelan, Burgertester (?), lots of different folks.
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    We have 17 people who are watching right now.
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    OK.
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    And Jules, do you - are you able to say hi now?
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    You've got your - your - you've got your [inaudibe]
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    [Jules Rincón] Hello, hi. I'm [inaudible] I'm Jules [inaudible]
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    for answering your e-mail [inaudible]
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    [Dean Jansen] OK. That was a bit choppy.
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    Let's see. OK, well, let me pull up a quick -
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    sorry that we're not totally running: we are just coming, getting all the technology going,
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    this is still pretty new for all of us.
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    Is the CART in full - in full effect now?
    Still can't tell.
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    And can other folks in the, in - Jules was mentioning that the volume's a bit low.
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    Are people on YouTube able to hear me OK?
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    OK. I see a lot of people saying they can hear me OK.
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    Now I think we just need to get this CART going and we're going to be ready to go.
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    Hem -
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    And is that - is the CART the main thing that's showing on the YouTube screen right now?
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    Yes, it is.
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    I mean to get the presentation pulled up and I will show a link to everyone
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    so that you can have multiple windows open in case you want to watch the CART
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    and also follow along the presentations at the same time.
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    Hem, actually, maybe Darren - Darren, could you show that link in - can you share that link
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    in the YouTube video - in the YouTube comments?
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    Now there is a published link I believe. OK, cool, thanks.
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    We've got that coming, I'm going to get it up on my screen now.
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    I have, like, more screens than I think I've ever had going at one time here, so -
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    [inaudible: bear with us?] and once we get the CART going,
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    I think we'll be ready to do some introductions and be ready to take off here.
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    And for anyone who is able to listen in
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    and can relay some of this information in the comments, that's really helpful.
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    Much appreciated.
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    OK, let's see: I believe we're getting closer and closer.
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    I'm in a message (?) Michael is speaking on the CART right now.
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    Let's see how that's going.
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    [Typing noises up to 0:10:37]
    (CART: Caption screen share test screen. Further testing of caption reseizing)
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    OK We're doing caption sizing testing right now
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    (CART: "further testing of caption sizing resizing caption screen to fit viewing window")
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    [typing noises up to 0:10:17]
    (CART: testing words)
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    [Dean Jansen] OK. Alright, so we just have the -
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    the CART operator has joined the - the hangout
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    and so now he should have the audio feed.
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    [typing noises up to 0:12:05]
    (CART: testing words)
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    [Dean Jansen] OK
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    typing noises]
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    (Beginning of CC subs based on the CART transcript: the CC subs are sync'd with the audio )
    [Dean Jansen] Thanks, everyone for bearing with us here.
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    We have 11 viewers right now.
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    Darren and Jules, If you want to update the banner on the website
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    - [inaudible] this is happening right now - that might be worthwhile
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    and just update it with the direct link to the you tube video.
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    [Dean Jansen] OK, I think I'm starting to see some of the CART text showing up.
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    (onscreen: previous CART text showing)
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    [Dean Jansen]: I think we're ready to go.
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    I am going to wait until I see the CART update to really get started.
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    Darren is putting the announcement up on the Amara website right now
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    so folks can join in if they are free.
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    Okay. I see some text coming up. Which seems like good news.
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    So, thank you, all, for joining. Right now we have 13 folks watching.
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    And I wanted to start this out. Let me pull up my agenda real quick.
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    I just wanted to start this out.
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    Actually Jules was going to be starting this out for us.
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    She is - you can see her thumbnail in the bottom section of the screeen
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    She - her internet connection has been going on and off - she is a very noisy coffee house, still helping out.
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    She is going to be in the comments along with Darren.
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    So, I wanted to start out by saying thanks to all of the folks
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    who have helped make this possible, including Michael Lockrey,
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    who is - his is the screen showing the cart text right now, which is fantastic.
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    Jules helped get this whole thing organized.
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    Darren has been involved from the beginning.
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    And then, even a bigger thanks goes out to the community and volunteers,
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    the people who are here right now
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    as well as the folks who are - weren't able to make it,
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    who are on Amara doing captions, translations, subtitles.
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    Some folks are promoting and sharing,
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    we have people on the Captions Requested and the Music Captioning teams
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    doing a lot of great work and translation happening all over‑the‑board.
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    Really exciting stuff.
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    So I think that - that's how we wanted to open this,
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    just by saying thank you to everyone who has been involved
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    in making Amara such a success.
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    Jules was going to introduce herself but again since it's so noisy
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    I'll do a quick introduction for Jules.
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    She has been doing a fantastic job of community advocacy
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    and support for Amara for - I don't know - getting close to a year now
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    ‑ probably a little less than that ‑ but she has been, you know, working from South America
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    and now she's here in the US with us and has been doing a great job on that.
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    Darren has also been doing a lot in the community advocacy
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    and support side of things
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    and has also been working with me on some of the business stuff
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    which I'm going to talk very briefly about.
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    And then, I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Dean.
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    I'm one of the co-founders of Amara and my title is Outreach and Business Development director,
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    which in the context of a non-profit organization, because Amara is built by a non-profit,
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    the Participatory Culture Foundation, business development really means
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    finding a way to make this nonprofit and mission-driven project and piece of software sustainable
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    so that we can support our developers as they build the tools out
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    and make sure that we are able to keep the servers on and everything.
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    So, moving forward I will give a quick overview of the meeting,
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    where we'll start getting more and more interactive as it goes on.
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    But at the beginning, I'¨d like to do a brief slide presentation
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    that I hope people are excited about, because it's -
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    We'll share just a few pieces of what is to come in Amara
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    which I think will answer a lot of outstanding questions
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    and hopefully get people excited about the future of Amara. We certainly are.
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    The other thing that I wanted to do
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    before we went to a full open question and answer
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    is that we asked people to talk about their big questions,
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    some of the features they would like to see,
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    some of the issues they were facing in the forum posts.
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    And so there are a couple of highlights there we'd like to go over.
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    And once we do that, then I think it would be great to do a full open Q‑A
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    over the comments in the YouTube video.
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    And then once we do that, we'll wrap it up.
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    So we are expecting to be done ‑
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    we should probably finish in the next 40 minutes.
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    So we've had an hour schedule for the full meeting.
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    So let's start into that slide presentation and for anyone -
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    I'm going to spell this out so folks can join this URL in case they don't see it in the comments.
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    It's http://goo.gl/gPdZe . That's a shortened Google URL and it's also in the comments
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    That's probably the easiest way to get to it, but I just wanted to spell it out there.
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    OK, so I'm going to switch my screen
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    and so you will be able to see which slide I'm looking at, at the bottom of the YouTube video.
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    I'm also just going to say every time I switch a page,
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    but I just wanted to make sure that if anyone is watching the CART, they're able to easily stick with that.
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    So I'm going to give everyone just a second to make sure they can load up that slide show,
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    and if anyone is having trouble, please just comment in the YouTube comments.
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    and if you turn on automatic commenting, then you'll see that updates in real time:
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    it's basically just like a chat.
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    And so it should say "Amara Town Hall" and have the big green Amara logo in the center of it.
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    That's the first slide and I'm actually just going to check the - the chat window
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    to make sure that folks are able to get in.
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    Someone is saying that my audio is screwed up.
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    Did someone have that link? I'm just going to [inaudible] that google link
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    I'm just going to send that to you in case you want it.
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    Sorry.
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    [Dean Jansen] OK. Here it comes.
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    [Dean Jansen] Hem, I can't tell if the comments are frozen or not.
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    There it goes.
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    Darren or Jules, are either of you able to put that link into the - into the YouTube video comments?
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    [Dean Jansen] Now I'm noticing that the CART is - is not showing up as well.
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    Oh oh.
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    Darren is saying it doesn't - ah URLs, my goodness.
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    OK. So, this is a bit of an oversight. Let me just do something real quick
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    to show the URL to folks. Hem, give me half a moment.
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    It's funny, when you test these things, it's the small little piece that's going to catch you by surprise.
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    So - I've almost got this up and we'll be able to put this on the screen.
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    (onscreen: http::goo.gl/gPdZe)
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    [Dean Jansen] OK. Can everyone see this?
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    This is the - this is the shortened link that I mentioned,
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    and apparently, it's not possible to share these links inside of - inside of a YouTube comment.
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    So we are doing it here.
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    And Michael, are we able to get the CART showing up again? I'm going to leave you a chat message.
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    OK. Then I want to also check comments. Can someone in the comments with their thumbs up
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    if they're able to get into that - that Google short URL just so that I know
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    that folks are starting to see the - starting to see the slide deck?
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    Going to a new caption window. Okay.
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    Now the cart appears to be back online. Yes, we will be ready to go again now.
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    So let's all start on slide number 1.
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    If anyone needs that URL please just ask in the comments if you don't have it
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    and we will figure out a way to share it with you.
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    That was a big oversight on our part, sorry.
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    Slide number 1. I will switch my screen share back to that quickly. Here we go.
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    If we go on to slide 2, there are a couple of important notes.
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    They are about the mock ups.
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    The slide presentation is maybe 10 slides long. It's almost purely visual.
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    These are not 100 per cent final. They are mixed representations.
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    We were trying to show the most functionality
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    in the fewest number of screens possible.
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    You may see screens from like a team video –
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    a feature that would normally be exclusive to an openly translated video.
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    We won't be forcing every video to be on a team or anything like that.
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    It's just an artefact of us trying to get
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    as much functionality into the slides as possible.
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    If we skip to the third slide, it's a TED screen that says "let's get started".
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    The section below shows a video.
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    Right now people are used to seeing tasks and video tabs.
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    We will try to simplify here.
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    To give a bit more context before I dive into the specifics here,
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    I will tell a story about a new type of work flow and collaboration
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    that we're envisioning for Amara in the future.
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    This is something that we have just started building now.
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    It is not going to be ready tomorrow but we do want to release this stuff soon.
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    The reason we are share it now is so we can start to get feedback ahead of time,
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    because we think it's very important to ‑
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    I know folks in the community have asked for increased transparency
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    and we think that's really important. So this is part of that.
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    Just hearing what you guys have to say,
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    sharing some of what we have been working on
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    and get you guys' opinions, your thoughts, your feedback ahead of time.
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    I will paint a picture of what we're envisioning
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    for the future of the collaboration on Amara.
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    I hope a lot of the questions that were open will be answered.
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    We will answer some more questions that we had
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    that we don't think are addressed by this and then do some live Q and A
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    for any of the things that get missed from this presentation.
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    The first screen is the dashboard.
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    The idea is that as soon as a person comes to ‑
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    whether it's a team that's moderated like the way TED is
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    or whether it's a more open team
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    like the Music Captioning team or the NewsHour team.
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    The idea is that when we are doing teams
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    we want people to find projects quickly that they can work on.
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    The next slide, slide 4, the only thing that has changed is there is a help hover.
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    The question mark near the "my projects" header.
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    The idea here is we want to start building some of the documentation
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    and help into the interface so you don't have to go elsewhere to learn,
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    what does it mean to sign off on something
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    or what does it mean to create subtitles
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    or make a peer review or something like that.
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    The three languages needed hover down below shows
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    that this particular video still hasn't had three languages completed on it.
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    The next slide, slide 5, this is where we show
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    some of the past work that someone has done.
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    This view shows an individual team,
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    but you can imagine this being a list of everything
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    someone has worked on in open Amara plus different teams
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    and an overall profile of what have I collaborated on,
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    what is still going on that other people are working on,
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    what have I done in the past and giving people a better overview
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    of how they have contributed to different projects.
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    Let's see. Are we still ‑ we still have CART. I wanted to double check.
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    I have the ‑ I will scoot this over to the side. A lot of windows here.
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    So we're on slide 6 right now. This is another team view.
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    This is just the videos tab ‑
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    so basic filters and generally trying to put work
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    that matches someone's language abilities and I realize
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    that the languages up the top don't necessarily match in this mock‑up.
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    But the idea is that where it says "select languages"
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    that will be the filter for what is shown below
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    when you have the videos tab filtered by "all of my languages"
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    you would see the combination of those things.
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    So for translation that will be very helpful.
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    The other important thing is here is that
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    the TED paradigm right now is an individual person coming in
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    and creating subtitles and peer reviewing.
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    We have taken that model and made it something flexible
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    so that when TED does things
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    they can have that individual person or translator voice
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    that they think is very important and that we want to support them doing,
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    but when there is a team that needs to be more open
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    and more collaborative and dynamic, like the Music Captioning, l
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    ike the Captions Requested team,
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    we want to do something that still allows people to do peer review
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    but has a more flexible approach
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    so you can have multiple people collaborating at the same time.
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    A little bit moreover lap but still enough structure so that people can say,
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    "Well, this caption or this video still needs captions
    so let's make sure we get that done"
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    and once the captions are built for the video it disappears for the list.
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    And other things that need work and need collaboration,
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    that can be pulled up to the top.
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    So the idea is to have a more flexible as well as group approach.
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    Page 7 ‑ this is a mock up of the video page.
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    This is an amalgam of different things here.
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    Up the top it says media from TED team.
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    So if this was not associated with a team it wouldn't have that button.
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    If it weren't a video that was being actively translated or wasn't part of a team,
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    you can see to the side of the video thumbnail it says
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    subtitles needed in new languages,
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    subtitle in French, Spanish, apply to team.
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    That would be adjusted based on
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    whether or not that video was part of a team,
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    whether it was just open and had been added to Amara as a video.
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    If there were things in progress, it may have
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    how you could help finish those pieces in progress.
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    Down below you can see ‑
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    some things may never have official or peer review
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    but may have different subtitle creators.
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    We are really working on trying to make the team model
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    and the open model work a lot closer together and in concert together.
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    If we go to the next slide, which is slide 8, I believe this is just another view ‑
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    the original ‑ slide 7 had subtitles in the bottom just showing the transcript.
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    This next one is the activity and chat window.
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    So you can see you have a quick overview of who has done what, said what,
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    and we're combining all of this stuff into a collaboration view
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    so you can quickly see who made different revisions,
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    who has left comments, et cetera, et cetera.
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    If we go to the next slide, slide 9, you will see the revisions tab,
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    and that's similar to what we have right now.
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    We are working on a new diff view
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    that will make things easier to compare together
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    but that's still under development.
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    If we go to the next slide, which is slide 10,
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    this is something that I actually wished I had Craig,
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    who is our product director, here to discuss,
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    I will do my best to talk about it. Some of these things have been updated.
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    Let's say you weren't on a video that was part of the team,
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    Or it may be "add thumbs up" to say these captions or subtitles look great.
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    But generally this shows a translation in progress.
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    But the idea is that we are moving from having a different translation interface
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    based on if we think you are going to be translating
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    from English to German because that's how you came in,
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    we will give you the right pieces and right tools from the get go
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    with some instructions on how to do it.
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    But we're going to give you the ability to change your timing dynamically.
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    Slide 7 ‑ that's a closer up‑view of the new layout here.
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    One thing that isn't in this mock up but I think is worth mentioning
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    We are working to make saving a little more explicit and automatic.
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    We have definitely gotten feedback that save something tricky right now.
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    If we go to slide 12 ‑ this is another closer‑up view
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    showing some more timing information in the side bar
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    so you can see for this particular piece it's showing
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    there are 21 characters at 5.25 characters per second.
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    A lot of people who have come from the subtitling and captioning worlds
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    have requested this feature. That was slide 12.
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    I'm realizing we don't have the new timing interface mock ups.
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    That is still something that is fairly raw.
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    Jules just mentioned there is a chat.
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    Paul is asking about the smallest screen size.
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    We're talking about having the ability to zip up the video
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    so you could just see the lower third of the video
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    and have all of the timing and translation stuff show below
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    in order to save space.
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    This particular lay out will be something
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    that you can close some of the side bars.
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    If you want to close things down so there is no horizontal scrolling,
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    you can do that. If you're on a screen that's smaller.
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    But this is still fairly early. It's not built in HTML yet.
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    We haven't gotten down to the nuts and bolts
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    of what exact screen resolutions will be supported, et cetera.
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    is right now we're in a place where you can create captions
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    But if you want to change the timing of the new translated set of subtitles ‑
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    I will get to this. We're going to re-enable that.
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    That's a question that will come up.
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    We want to make it so ‑ so right now if you edit the timing on that translation,
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    then you will no longer have a translation,
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    you are out of the translation interface
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    and solely in the creating subtitles interface.
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    This new system will allow us to compare side by side
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    differently timed translations and subtitles.
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    you are actually able to still compare English and Spanish next to one another.
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    It's one of the things I'm most excited about.
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    I don't think it comes across in this presentation
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    which is really important and really adds a lot of flexibility
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    Slide 13 is just the end cap. That's the basic presentation.
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    And I did have a number of different questions that came up in the forums.
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    And I'm really sorry that Jules isn't able to join me on this piece,
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    because this has been me talking and talking and talking.
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    I don't want to bore folks and sound like I'm the only person talking here,
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    but I do think these questions are important to get to
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    and we have ‑ we really read carefully and ... yes?
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    I'm in the Mozilla offices right now.
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    And there is there is something ringing.
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    I will answer some of the questions in the forum.
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    I will mention who asked them.
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    There may be other people who are curious about them.
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    But this is in broad strokes trying to answer
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    some of the questions that came up
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    that I don't think were addressed in the slide show.
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    We can come back and address other things in realtime.
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    There was a question from Booger Bender, Vivian and Claude
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    about messaging and outreach.
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    Some folks were saying it would be great to highlight
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    the nonprofit nature of our project, the open source nature of our project.
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    Some other folks were suggesting we did more outreach to deaf communities.
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    We think those are both great ideas.
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    Our focus right now really is getting this new technology going.
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    We will obviously be ‑ we will be doing some ‑
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    we will be starting an email newsletter soon,
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    and that might be a good place to start highlighting this stuff.
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    We would like to tighten up our website
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    and it could be better at explaining our mission
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    and how Amara is totally volunteer driven.
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    And up our outreach to deaf communities.
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    In the meantime, if there are any folks here who can help us with this,
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    we would be more than thrilled to work with you.
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    Jules will be very active in the forums.
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    If you're not a registered member, please do join.
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    We would love to discuss how we can better work together
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    to highlight some of these things and outreach to different communities
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    and keep stepping up those efforts.
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    Someone was asking about the primary URL, being able to switch away.
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    We may have just done a release that actually allows you to see
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    the history of what the primary URL was and to switch that.
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    That used to be more ‑ I think that was just a minor bug or hiccup in our development
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    and that we're back online about that.
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    I would like to double check on that before we confirm that one 100 per cent.
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    One other technical thing I can confirm 100 per cent,
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    it's about editing and timing of subtitle bubbles.
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    They are asking about ending a caption.
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    So you press the down arrow to lay down a caption
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    and the caption is on the screen,
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    you press the down arrow and next one appears immediately
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    where the last one left out.
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    The secret is the up arrow will cut off the current subtitle being laid down,
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    if you want to do a quick caption that says "music playing"
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    you would press down when you wanted it to show, press the up arrow
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    and then it would stop right there.
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    Let me know that that's the right question you were asking. I think it is.
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    People consistently ask about full screen.
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    Will the widget, the embeddable tab that goes on the bottom of the video ‑
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    the majority of these videos, they may be MP4 videos
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    but they are playing through a flash player
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    and it's taking over the entire experience.
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    You can't do HTML overlay or Java on top of that.
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    We're working some of the major video hosts
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    to provide syncing that can link subtitles directly into their video player
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    or display the subtitles through their video player.
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    The problem being that you have to be the original uploader
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    to enable that syncing.
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    We will see if we can figure out a technical work around
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    to do some near full screen overlay.
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    But bear in mind that's just a tough technical problem.
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    I'm sorry I don't have a more exciting and uplifting answer for that one.
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    Another question we had was the original and primary language of video ‑
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    So there is spoken dialogue in a video. That's coming up fairly soon.
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    There were a couple of features that had existed before
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    Subtitling directly to a video, pasting in a transcript.
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    Uploading new subtitles over existing subtitles ‑
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    these are things that our current system, we have hit some different hurdles.
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    We're working on getting these features re‑established.
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    But they will likely be re‑established in the newer system,
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    the stuff I have just shown in the slides.
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    I have two more things left and then we can go to open questions.
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    Jules mentioned there was a question from Jim Tobias
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    Will there be a user-focused interface
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    that shows teams and videos I have worked on.
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    So Jim asked if we're going to be doing a user-focused interface
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    that shows ‑ let's say a user dashboard.
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    You log in and you see the videos you have worked on
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    and videos you have completed.
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    I'm not remembering the number of the slide. I think it was like 3 or 4.
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    Slide number 5 shows past collaborations in the context of a team.
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    But we do want to do something similar that goes across teams.
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    If you log in and you have contributed to three teams
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    plus you have contributed to 20 various videos that are videos on Amara,
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    we would like to compile all those things together
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    so you can see that all in one place.
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    I'm seeing another question:
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    Is there any place to add Mozilla to the presently available sign in methods?
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    I don't think we have immediate plans to add Mozilla.
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    I'm assuming we could potentially do that through MoOff.
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    I'm at the Mozilla offices today so I can see if that's a possibility.
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    It hadn't come up on our radar yet but we can check into it.
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    Another question:
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    Can we fix the original language if we set it wrongly at first?
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    It happened to me once and I struggled in fixing it.
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    Paula, firstly, I apologize that it's not easier in the current system to do this.
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    Yes, we definitely want to make that simpler.
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    Because it's one of those tricky things where the data model
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    is something that we created roughly two years ago.
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    Of course it's not the ideal thing for where we are at with the project right now.
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    That's the first thing that we're working on.
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    We're very close to having something out
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    that will be more flexible in that respect. Thanks for that question.
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    Feel free to keep asking questions about anything that I have talked about,
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    any of the slides, anything that has been missing from the presentation
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    or anything you would like to hear about.
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    Another question was about the different timing in the differences ‑
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    a question about editing timing in different languages.
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    That's coming back now.
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    Ultimately we're excited about that ability to remain
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    in the translation interface even if you have changed the timing.
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    Let's see, we have gotten a lot of good suggestions on the product front.
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    I'm not sure if I'm saying this name right
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    but Diomides had good suggestions for hot keys and functionality
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    I have passed on to the development team.
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    One suggestion that was put forth
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    was the ability to change the speed in the video play back.
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    Right now that's difficult with our system
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    and it's all done through the HTML and Java script.
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    There may come a time when we are able to start doing that,
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    specially as HTML5 becomes more powerful and that technology grows.
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    But right now that is going to be a tough one.
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    But some of the other things ‑ there is a suggestion for a hot key
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    to skip to lines that haven't been translated yet.
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    That's a really great suggestion.
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    We will definitely try to get that in there
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    and a couple of those other things too.
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    We have another question coming in.
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    This name is very difficult. I won't be able to say it without butchering it. I
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    t says: Has there been any thought to providing interactive transcripts?
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    That's the kind of thing where you see the video.
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    Yes, TED dotcom has an example.
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    We have been working on this.
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    I wish we could enable link sharing.
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    We need to look into whether we can enable links in the you tube comments.
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    We do have a sample of that. An interactive transcript player.
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    You're watching the video and see the transcripts in a text box.
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    You can scroll down it and click on the word
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    and the video will jump to that word and start playing immediately.
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    You can search through and look for key phrases.
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    We have something like that that is just coming out of the lab.
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    Maybe in the forum we can post a link to it.
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    Darren, can you get that link if you have it?
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    Do we have other questions?
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    I'm coming to the end of the questions from the forum posts.
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    There may have been a couple that I missed
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    so if there is anything on the forum that you left and I didn't get to it,
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    please just chime in on the you tube comments.
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    We will continue to keep an eye on the YouTube comments,
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    even after we're done with this
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    so if there is anything we missed we can follow up on it
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    ... it sounds like we're getting closer and closer to the conclusion of this event.
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    This has been really exciting. I will check the window.
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    Here is another question.
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    The launch date for the new embedder?
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    We don't have a solid date yet.
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    There are so many things that are hard to predict in what we're doing right now.
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    Let me see. I'm getting more information on and that question.
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    That was Joshua.
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    The new embedder and whether there is a specific launch date.
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    That's the embedder with the interactive transcripts.
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    It's out in Beta form right now.
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    We will share on the forums how to use that. I
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    t's still experimental so it's not perfect
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    but it's not anything that will ever mess up subtitle data or anything like that.
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    It's a piece of code that we're comfortable share
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    being folks saying use this in situations that are not mission-critical
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    and check it out, see what people think.
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    So we will get that up in the forum and also try to mention
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    Let's see. Another question:
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    like sentences larger than 70 characters,
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    smaller than 1.5 seconds, et cetera.
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    That's a really great idea. If I understand it right, we should ‑
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    let's continue that thread in the forums so we can develop that idea further.
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    Just so that I know and our team knows exactly what you're suggesting here.
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    But I think the idea sounds good, something that gives some highlights
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    if maybe you have things that seem like
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    they may be less than optimal for captions or subtitles.
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    That's a really good idea.
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    Dumovney asks another question:
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    We have definitely talked about it.
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    It's something that, you know, with this new system that we're building,
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    once we're there we will be in a much better position
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    to start think being both video description as well as dubbing
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    or voiceover translation.
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    Both of which we think could be exciting, important pieces
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    both for folks who are blind or have visual impairments
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    or people who, let's say, don't read ‑ they speak a different language
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    than the video is in and also don't read their primary language particularly well,
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    this could be really great for increasing accessibility there as well.
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    Okay. Let's see. There was another question. Another question:
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    Why was it kept a secret the way the up arrow was a way to cut the subtitle
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    instead of using the down carry key. It wasn't really a secret.
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    It was a lack of time to update the documentation.
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    We have been crazy busy with a lot of different projects
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    on the interface on the side bar.
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    We're not trying to keep secrets or leave Easter eggs lying around,
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    it was just that that didn't get as widely published as it should have.
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    My apologies for that.
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    We will try to make sure we have a comprehensive list
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    of all of the keyboard short cuts.
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    All right. We're getting close to the hour. Let's see.
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    Do we have any other questions before we cap this discussion?
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    Let's see, just so ‑
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    but I have seen that we have had between 16 and 17 viewers,
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    which is pretty cool.
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    Okay. We have one more. From Lavney:
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    It says on video description adds deaf blind people would benefit
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    Ah, yes, I think I was misunderstanding you.
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    I think sometimes video and audio description terminology
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    is confusing for me, my apologies, I may have been mixing that up.
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    I think there are a lot of different things that we can do f
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    from the perspective of accessibility, that we should ‑ we would like to ‑
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    I think a lot of this just needs to be unpacked for us.
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    We put a lot of effort and time into trying to figure out
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    what the best approach is to accomplish ‑
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    to keep a simple interface that is something that is approachable
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    by people who are both young and old
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    in order to start creating subtitles and start creating captions and translate things.
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    We also want to make sure that we're being as inclusive as possible
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    with the interfaces,
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    And to be honest, it's a big, big job to understand
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    what the universe of accessibility means.
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    This is a really good opportunity to ask you guys to help us learn more
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    all of these different uses and use cases.
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    I think a lot of this conversation that we're having right now,
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    these sorts of seeds, could really blossom on the forum.
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    I'm hoping we can continue these conversations so we can learn more
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    about what folks are thinking might be the most effective sort of approach
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    to some of these issues.
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    I totally appreciate everyone's time and effort and thought
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    Two more and then we will cap it after that.
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    So Claude asks: Could you talk about the future chat feature, please?
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    I think I will need more clarification on that.
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    Maybe we could just take care of that in the forum as well.
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    And discuss that one in the comments or the forum.
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    Okay, Alex asks: We Chinese need double subtitling display on team.
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    Could you implement that?
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    Double means showing both English and Chinese subs
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    in two lines simultaneously. Alex Mo.
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    That's another thing that there are ‑ that is another piece
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    This is something that I think we should definitely discuss
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    the challenges that we're facing of keeping the software usable and simple
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    from the perspective of it has to work on as many languages as possible,
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    how can we accomplish what you're asking about with Amara.
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    I think we can definitely find a way to do it.
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    But I don't have an answer off the top of my head.
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    Partly because I'm not someone who speaks English and Chinese
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    we definitely just need to get a little bit more information
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    and I think we can and should be able to figure out something.
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    I will answer one last question:
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    Seelan: are there plans to auto-sync subs to videos on YouTube.
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    We have created many of these
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    but people can't up load them on and to YouTube sourced.
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    I'm not sure I totally understand that one.
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    Right now we're sync one direction from Amara.
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    We do grab subtitles and captions from YouTube
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    and we're just now starting to sync them back to YouTube,
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    as long as you're the creator of the video on YouTube you can do that.
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    I think we're on the right track there.
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    If I'm not understanding that correctly we should also
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    carry that discussion forward in the forum as well.
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    okay. Sorry, I'm just seeing people typing things
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    and want to make sure I have got this all down correctly.
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    All right. I think we should make sure to just continue these conversations
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    and I know there are a couple at the end that I semi‑dodged
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    but I want to ensure we are able to address those
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    and have conversations about how we can expand on those different pieces
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    and make sure that we're serving as many different communities
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    I think that the new editor, the new collaboration model,
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    all of the stuff that we have shared and that we're working on right now,
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    I think that will be a major step in that direction.
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    And that there will still be obviously a lot of room for improvement
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    and room to grow.
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    I think there are probably a lot of things that we didn't discuss today
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    that have to do with how do we ‑ how do we best represent
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    what volunteers have done, how do we show,
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    this is a set of captions done primarily by this user but also this user helped.
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    That's a big question and thing we have started to think about
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    but that is so huge that we want to make sure
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    we have the communities' voice and support and heart in
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    as we move forward on it.
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    That's another big thing and maybe that's a topic for the next town hall meeting.
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    Thank you so much to everyone who participated.
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    I see that our viewership has dropped off a little bit.
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    Thank you to Michael for bringing CART into the ‑ into the picture.
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    Thank you to the CART operator for actually providing CART, totally amazing.
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    Jules and Darren, thank you for helping DJ the comments
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    and get this whole thing off the ground.
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    And of course thanks to everyone who is here right now
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    and who wasn't able to make it,
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    who has been helping us to make Amara such an amazing project and tool.
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    And everything that it has become.
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    So, thank you, all.
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    We will do this again ‑ I'm not sure exactly when.
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    But let's talk about it in the forums and discuss
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    when we do want to do it again and what we thought worked
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    and what we thought didn't and how we can improve on this process.
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    So thank you, all.
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    (town hall ends)
Title:
Amara Town Hall -- Oct 23, 2012
Video Language:
English
Team:
Volunteer
Duration:
01:09:27

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