The museum of the future - the museum of the world | Florian Pollack | TEDxLinz
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0:15 - 0:17I want to ask you for a favor,
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0:19 - 0:22the first favor of today.
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0:22 - 0:24Remember the last time
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0:24 - 0:28you've been to a museum and you liked it.
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0:32 - 0:33Can you remember?
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0:35 - 0:37Some of you might have been there
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0:38 - 0:39for the art.
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0:39 - 0:44There's this very special, intimate,
almost celestial moment, -
0:44 - 0:46where you sit there
and there's a piece of art, -
0:46 - 0:51and you talk to it and it talks back,
and it enriches your life, -
0:51 - 0:56and you leave the place
different from how you came. -
0:58 - 1:02There's many other reasons
why people love museums. -
1:03 - 1:04Community.
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1:05 - 1:07One of the main reasons
people go to museums -
1:07 - 1:12is because they want to share
this passion for the art with others. -
1:12 - 1:14So retired people
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1:14 - 1:19who become members
of the friendship party of a museum, -
1:19 - 1:22they belong to this group.
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1:23 - 1:26Young people who go there to have fun.
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1:26 - 1:31Community is a very pivotal part
in why people come to museums. -
1:33 - 1:35Love!
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1:35 - 1:36Many of you -
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1:36 - 1:39I bet some of you don't accept it -
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1:39 - 1:42but many of you have been to museums
with their loved ones, -
1:42 - 1:45with people they wanted to impress,
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1:45 - 1:49people they wanted to impress
by being smart. -
1:49 - 1:51"Well, this is Caravaggio," or so.
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1:52 - 1:53It's very important.
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1:53 - 1:57It's a very flirtuous place,
museums, I tell you. -
1:57 - 2:02Or it's Aunt Susie, Aunt Susie from Paris.
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2:02 - 2:06She comes to Vienna,
and you want to show her your town. -
2:06 - 2:08So where do you go?
Of course, you go to the museum. -
2:08 - 2:11"Well, this, Aunt Susie,
is my museum, and so on, on, on." -
2:15 - 2:19A very basic reason
why people come to museums -
2:20 - 2:22is the weather.
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2:22 - 2:23(Laughter)
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2:23 - 2:26Many curators, many art historians,
and many museum directors -
2:27 - 2:29are not very happy about this fact,
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2:29 - 2:33but when it's very cold,
very rainy, or very hot, -
2:33 - 2:36museums are always full.
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2:36 - 2:39This was a Facebook post
we did this summer. -
2:40 - 2:46We just wanted to show people
how the temperature levels in Vienna were. -
2:46 - 2:49Outside, it was 36ºC, 37ºC, 38ºC,
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2:49 - 2:54and in the Kunstkammer,
it's always 20.5ºC, always. -
2:54 - 2:55(Laughter)
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2:55 - 2:58So this is a reason
why people come to museums. -
3:00 - 3:0520 to 25 percent of the visitors
in all museums all around the globe -
3:05 - 3:06are children.
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3:07 - 3:11So people come to museums with their kids.
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3:11 - 3:15I took my two nephews and my niece -
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3:15 - 3:17three, six, nine -
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3:17 - 3:21to the Kunsthistorisches Museum
just three weeks ago, -
3:21 - 3:23and we took a bag of plastic animals -
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3:23 - 3:26you know, everybody
has this bag of plastic animals - -
3:26 - 3:30and we went through the house
looking for animals -
3:30 - 3:35and then tried to take photos
of our animals in front of the big ones. -
3:35 - 3:40They loved it, and the six one
shared it on her Facebook page. -
3:40 - 3:45So children, if you
do it correctly, love museums. -
3:46 - 3:47Children love to paint.
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3:47 - 3:52Children are the main visitor group
that accepts this moment -
3:52 - 3:55that museums are great for creativity.
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3:55 - 4:00All artists go to museums because,
of course, they want to study art. -
4:00 - 4:03Many, many people
who just want to be creative, -
4:03 - 4:04who want to be enlightened
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4:04 - 4:08by the creativity of hundreds
or thousands of years, -
4:08 - 4:10of course, they come to museums.
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4:11 - 4:16Parents come to museums
in order to put their children to rest. -
4:17 - 4:20This is a photo of the 1870's.
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4:20 - 4:23The British were very early
in opening up museums -
4:23 - 4:26and very early in making photographs.
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4:28 - 4:31Many museums are dark places
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4:31 - 4:34because the objects
don't like the light so much. -
4:35 - 4:38If you spend about 30 minutes
in a very dark place - -
4:38 - 4:41and you will notice this soon -
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4:42 - 4:45your body tells you, well, fall asleep.
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4:45 - 4:49So it happens, again and again,
that we find children lying somewhere, -
4:49 - 4:51sleeping, in museums,
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4:51 - 4:53and their parents enjoy the free time.
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4:53 - 4:55(Laughter)
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4:57 - 5:00Some of you just might like crazy dogs.
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5:00 - 5:05Museums are full of crazy animals
of the past 5,000 years. -
5:05 - 5:08So there's many reasons to come.
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5:10 - 5:12Why do I talk about museums
in the first place? -
5:14 - 5:17Museums are very old institutions,
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5:17 - 5:23older, many of them,
than hospitals, prisons, -
5:24 - 5:26Parliament,
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5:26 - 5:29sometimes even universities,
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5:29 - 5:31in many cases schools.
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5:31 - 5:32They are very old.
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5:32 - 5:35So if we talk about the future,
of course, we have to look back. -
5:35 - 5:37So this is why we talk about museums.
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5:37 - 5:40The second reason
is an egotistical reason. -
5:40 - 5:43This is where I work.
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5:43 - 5:47And of course, it's an incredible
privilege to work there. -
5:48 - 5:51I work literally below -
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5:52 - 5:55I work literally below Rembrandt,
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5:55 - 5:59so one of the late
Rembrandt's self-portraits. -
6:01 - 6:02This is it -
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6:03 - 6:05one of the late
Rembrandt's self-portraits. -
6:05 - 6:06This is where I work.
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6:06 - 6:08(Laughter)
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6:09 - 6:10Rembrandt is above me;
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6:10 - 6:13there's Rubens, there's Velazquez,
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6:13 - 6:15and there is - no, Velázquez
is somewhere else - -
6:15 - 6:17and there is Vermeer.
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6:17 - 6:21So I'm incredibly privileged
to work there. -
6:21 - 6:26And, actually, and this is really
a coincidence to the date, -
6:26 - 6:31today, October 17, 1891 -
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6:31 - 6:36so 124 years ago, this place opened.
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6:36 - 6:38So we are very engaged.
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6:38 - 6:41We're thinking about the past of museums,
the present of museums -
6:41 - 6:43and the future of museums.
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6:43 - 6:46We're going to celebrate
our 25th anniversary next year, -
6:46 - 6:49and this is why we're very much
into this question -
6:49 - 6:54of what the role of museums
could be and can be in society. -
6:55 - 6:58The moment this museum opened,
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6:58 - 7:02of course, was a moment
where the world was totally different. -
7:02 - 7:031891.
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7:04 - 7:10This is a drawing of the opening ceremony,
Emperor Franz Joseph being there, -
7:10 - 7:15kind of opening his collection
for the masses. -
7:16 - 7:18This was not the first
museum in the world. -
7:19 - 7:24Museums started about 200 years earlier,
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7:24 - 7:26in the late 17th century,
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7:27 - 7:32and then, in the 18th century,
in the Age of Enlightenment, -
7:32 - 7:38museums were opened
as a matter of educating the people. -
7:40 - 7:43It was a democratic endeavor.
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7:43 - 7:45It had to do with - people said,
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7:45 - 7:48"Well, this is this incredible art,
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7:48 - 7:50this is this incredible
knowledge of the past; -
7:50 - 7:52I want to give this to everybody.
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7:52 - 7:55Everybody should have access
to these places." -
7:55 - 7:59So museums like the British Museum
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7:59 - 8:02opened in 1753,
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8:02 - 8:05so Enlightenment on the way.
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8:05 - 8:09The Louvre opened in 1793.
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8:09 - 8:12Of course, this was
a revolutionary movement. -
8:12 - 8:15It was really about, "Come on!
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8:15 - 8:20Here's this incredible treasure.
Come on in and share it with us." -
8:23 - 8:24Time changed,
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8:24 - 8:30so some of the other big museums
that opened in the coming decades -
8:30 - 8:34had somehow different perspectives.
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8:34 - 8:36It was maybe, again, more,
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8:37 - 8:42"I have the power, and I give you
the opportunity to look at my pieces, -
8:42 - 8:43a bit."
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8:44 - 8:47So this is the Altes Museum in Berlin,
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8:48 - 8:501830.
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8:52 - 8:53Or we talk about
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8:53 - 8:57the Metropolitan Museum
in New York, 1870. -
8:57 - 9:00And the Metropolitan Museum
is a very interesting place. -
9:00 - 9:04First of all, it has
about 10 million visitors a year. -
9:05 - 9:1010 million visitors go to this place,
go to an Old Master museum. -
9:11 - 9:13Then, it is the biggest
museum in the world, -
9:13 - 9:16and what they do -
everybody looks at what they do. -
9:16 - 9:18And of course,
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9:18 - 9:22it is the pivotal place for philanthropy.
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9:22 - 9:24The Americans invented philanthropy.
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9:24 - 9:29So it's not only about power
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9:29 - 9:34exerting some kind of "I know,
and I tell you what I know, -
9:34 - 9:35and then you know too."
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9:35 - 9:42It's also this philanthropic aspect
of "I have too much money on my account, -
9:42 - 9:45so I want to give this to more people
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9:45 - 9:51to experience these incredible,
precious moments." -
9:52 - 9:53What has changed?
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9:53 - 9:562015, we're obviously in the future.
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9:57 - 9:59What has changed since then?
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9:59 - 10:04Well, the people who opened
these museums up back then, -
10:04 - 10:05they disappeared.
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10:05 - 10:10The whole political system, the whole
societal structure changed a lot. -
10:10 - 10:14Globalization is a very important element
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10:14 - 10:18in terms of the real thing.
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10:19 - 10:21If globalization also means
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10:21 - 10:25that everything is
basically available everywhere, -
10:25 - 10:30the real Bruegel
is only available at this place. -
10:30 - 10:35The real, whatever, Gauguin,
Picasso - you name it - -
10:35 - 10:37is available in one place.
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10:37 - 10:40So it's kind of anti-globalization.
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10:40 - 10:45Of course, tourism changed,
migration changed. -
10:45 - 10:48We have a UN now, by the way,
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10:48 - 10:51and the UN, in 1984, said,
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10:52 - 10:56"Everyone has the right
freely to participate -
10:56 - 10:59in the cultural life of the community,
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10:59 - 11:00to enjoy the arts,
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11:00 - 11:04and to share in scientific
advancement and its benefits." -
11:04 - 11:07So this is in the UN Declaration
of Human Rights. -
11:07 - 11:08It's obviously important.
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11:08 - 11:12These guys thought it's important
to have access to the art -
11:12 - 11:15to live a free life.
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11:17 - 11:21Migration, tourism,
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11:22 - 11:26a lot of things have changed
over the past decades -
11:26 - 11:29since these big museums have opened.
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11:29 - 11:34The number of visitors, of course,
has changed dramatically. -
11:34 - 11:38The number of museums that have opened
has changed dramatically. -
11:38 - 11:4490 percent of the museums in Europe
were opened after the Second World War. -
11:44 - 11:47So, it's a big trend.
This is why we talk about it. -
11:47 - 11:54This is why we think that museums
are very elementary parts of our society. -
11:55 - 11:59So, this is the past,
this is how we came here. -
11:59 - 12:02Now, what's the big deal?
What's the challenge? -
12:02 - 12:05What are the questions
that we ask ourselves, -
12:05 - 12:08the questions that we try to answer today?
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12:09 - 12:13The first thing is access.
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12:13 - 12:15Who gets into a museum?
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12:15 - 12:18In many countries, museums are free.
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12:18 - 12:20In even more countries,
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12:20 - 12:25museums are, well,
not necessarily very expensive, -
12:25 - 12:30but access to museums
costs between €15 and €25. -
12:30 - 12:34So it's not for free.
It's a small investment. -
12:34 - 12:39Maybe compared to a movie theater
with small popcorn and small Coca-Cola, -
12:39 - 12:43it's not so much,
but it's a small investment. -
12:45 - 12:49What about people who sit in Linz,
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12:50 - 12:55going onto the website
of the Metropolitan Museum in New York -
12:55 - 12:57and watching a piece of art there?
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12:58 - 13:00Well, they're also visitors.
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13:00 - 13:03They also want to enjoy the art.
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13:03 - 13:07Actually, this is an element,
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13:07 - 13:09a small part,
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13:09 - 13:13of a very famous painting
at the Kunsthistorisches Museum, -
13:13 - 13:18called "The Tower of Babel,"
by Pieter Bruegel the Elder. -
13:20 - 13:22It's about this size,
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13:23 - 13:28and if you stand in front of it,
you feel something. -
13:28 - 13:30This is an incredible painting.
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13:30 - 13:34It's an incredibly old painting -
it's almost 400 years old. -
13:34 - 13:38It has been very, very famous ever since,
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13:39 - 13:43but still, if you go
on Google Art Project, -
13:44 - 13:48you see things that you don't see
when you stand there in real life. -
13:48 - 13:50So what technology does
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13:50 - 13:55and the possibility to sit in front
of your laptop computer anywhere - -
13:55 - 14:00you can devour this piece
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14:00 - 14:02maybe even better
than if you stand in front of it. -
14:02 - 14:06This is a weird thing to say,
authentic versus not authentic, -
14:06 - 14:07but this is something
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14:07 - 14:11that will change the museum world
dramatically in the future: -
14:11 - 14:15where people are
when they access museums, -
14:15 - 14:19how expositions, how exhibitions
are put together. -
14:19 - 14:22This is something where technology
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14:22 - 14:26but also the ability of people to access
things from everywhere in the world -
14:26 - 14:28will change what we do.
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14:29 - 14:34Another thing that changes
is people's expectations. -
14:34 - 14:37So, as I said before,
some people come for the love, -
14:37 - 14:39some people come for the food,
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14:39 - 14:41some people come for the animals.
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14:41 - 14:4445 percent of the people
who go to Tate Modern -
14:44 - 14:46come there for social reasons.
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14:48 - 14:51This is Chris Dercon,
the then-director of Tate Modern, -
14:51 - 14:53one of the most successful places
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14:53 - 14:54in Europe,
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14:55 - 14:58and they've actually been a bit depressed
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14:59 - 15:04when they found out that 45 percent
of their audience comes for social causes -
15:04 - 15:06because they put up
all this incredible art, -
15:06 - 15:10and they do a lot of work
in curatorial, etcetera, stuff, -
15:10 - 15:13and still people come
to hang out with friends. -
15:13 - 15:18Well, this is a fact,
so let's deal with it. -
15:18 - 15:20Let's create places that are open.
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15:20 - 15:24Let's create places
that invite people to come -
15:24 - 15:27and share a good time with their friends.
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15:29 - 15:30A massive thing
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15:30 - 15:37is cultural, historical language,
religious background. -
15:38 - 15:42If we compare the world of today
with the world 50 years ago, -
15:45 - 15:47things have changed.
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15:48 - 15:52Who would know why this guy up there -
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15:52 - 15:55who's, by the way, Maximilian I,
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15:55 - 15:59emperor of a big empire -
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15:59 - 16:02Why is he carrying a pomegranate?
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16:03 - 16:07He probably never was in Israel
or in the Middle East to collect these. -
16:08 - 16:09What does this mean?
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16:10 - 16:13It's very hard to find people
who know what this means. -
16:15 - 16:17The lady on the top -
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16:19 - 16:22I find this a very, very moving picture.
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16:22 - 16:26Actually, she's dying,
or she's already dead. -
16:27 - 16:32And some of you might not
have guessed it's Cleopatra. -
16:32 - 16:34Why didn't you guess that it's Cleopatra?
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16:34 - 16:38Because you thought
Cleopatra had black hair, probably. -
16:38 - 16:43Well, at that time,
they painted Cleopatra blond -
16:43 - 16:46because they thought
it fitted her better. -
16:46 - 16:47Who would know that?
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16:49 - 16:52Who would not feel intimidated
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16:52 - 16:56by a lady with a head and a sword?
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16:56 - 17:00And what is this,
this Judith-Holofernes thing? -
17:00 - 17:03Is this common knowledge? No, it's not.
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17:03 - 17:07So, what museums have to do now,
what galleries have to do now, -
17:07 - 17:10they have to be much smarter
and much easier -
17:10 - 17:12in helping people
to understand these pictures, -
17:12 - 17:16helping people to get access
to these incredible works of art -
17:16 - 17:21that were in the back of people's minds,
many, many centuries, -
17:21 - 17:22but this changed.
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17:25 - 17:32The God of gods robbing a woman
by turning into a cloud. -
17:32 - 17:37Okay, but you should know what this is
in order to understand the painting. -
17:37 - 17:41Or maybe you don't have to,
but it might be interesting. -
17:41 - 17:44All this religious -
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17:44 - 17:48all this religious iconography
that you find in museums -
17:49 - 17:53is hard to explain to many, many,
many people who come to museums. -
17:53 - 17:55If we talk about 50 percent tourism,
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17:55 - 17:59if we talk about 50 percent
from totally other cultural spheres, -
18:00 - 18:01we need some time,
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18:01 - 18:05and they need to give us some time
to explain them who is torturing who, -
18:06 - 18:08and why, in the end,
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18:08 - 18:12does this poor boy have to carry a dress?
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18:13 - 18:15Well, I can tell you later.
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18:18 - 18:20When the briefing
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18:20 - 18:24for the Kunsthistorisches Museum
in Vienna was written, -
18:24 - 18:26which was about 1870,
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18:27 - 18:29in the brief, they said,
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18:29 - 18:34"When you come in, you should feel
small and insignificant." -
18:34 - 18:39Architects were very, very good,
so it still works today. -
18:39 - 18:46And it's actually a lot of barriers
that people have to overcome. -
18:47 - 18:49It's physical barriers.
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18:49 - 18:53It's hard to get in there
when you can't walk very well. -
18:53 - 18:56It's hard to get in there
when you're in a wheelchair. -
18:56 - 19:00It's hard to access the art
when you don't see very well, -
19:01 - 19:03when you don't hear very well -
some other arts. -
19:04 - 19:08So all museums, all curators everywhere
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19:08 - 19:13are working very, very hard
to reduce the barriers, -
19:13 - 19:17to give people an easier access
into these museums. -
19:17 - 19:21Barriers are not only physical barriers
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19:21 - 19:25but only the barrier
of "Am I smart enough?" -
19:25 - 19:30If I go in with Aunt Susie
from Paris, and she asks me, -
19:31 - 19:34"Uh, what do you think
about Renaissance and so?" -
19:35 - 19:40would I feel embarrassed if I don't know
so much about Renaissance? -
19:41 - 19:42Probably.
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19:42 - 19:46So this is another big challenge
that museums face today, -
19:46 - 19:50is reducing the barriers,
making it easier for people. -
19:53 - 19:59One last thing I want
to come to is technology. -
20:00 - 20:03This is probably
the first selfie in the world, -
20:03 - 20:07done by a guy called Parmigianino in 1523.
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20:08 - 20:13He did this to be invited
to work for the pope. -
20:14 - 20:20If you were Mona Lisa,
this is how the world looked like. -
20:23 - 20:26You think this is what people look like?
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20:26 - 20:29Because everybody stands there
in front of the Mona Lisa like this, -
20:29 - 20:31doing a selfie.
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20:31 - 20:33So another big challenge.
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20:33 - 20:37What we want to achieve
with this, in the end, -
20:37 - 20:41we want people to feel the love
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20:41 - 20:44that we have for these objects.
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20:44 - 20:49We want people to feel connected
to the art, feel connected to each other, -
20:49 - 20:53and when they enter the place
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20:53 - 20:56and they compare this to the moment
when they exit a museum, -
20:56 - 20:59they should feel enriched
by whatever it is: -
20:59 - 21:04being smarter, being more in love,
having had a good time - -
21:04 - 21:06just leaving the place enriched.
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21:07 - 21:10And I thank you very much
for your attention. -
21:10 - 21:12(Applause)
- Title:
- The museum of the future - the museum of the world | Florian Pollack | TEDxLinz
- Description:
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Florian Pollack highlights the important factors why we visit a museum,and he explains the democratic endeavor of these old institutions. The future of museums will change with the technology to access art from all over the world.
Florian Pollack followed his passion for art and museums. He is the leader of communications and marketing in the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna, responsible for marketing, press, public relations, fundraising and events.
Florian, born in Vienna 1971, did his law studies in Vienna, Innsbruck and Paris. In the framework of “Helping Hands,” he was teaching Bosnian refugees German between 1993 and 1995. Since 2011 he has been a mentor for migrants in the framework of cooperation between the WKO and the fond for integration.This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at http://ted.com/tedx
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