The Blob, a Brainless Intelligence? Fiction or Reality: Audrey Dussutour at TEDxToulouse
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0:11 - 0:12Hi everyone!
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0:12 - 0:15Today, I'm going to talk to you
about a living organism -
0:15 - 0:17that I'm working on
in my research laboratory at CNRS, -
0:17 - 0:20that we affectionally call the blob.
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0:20 - 0:22So here's what the blob looks like.
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0:22 - 0:24Surely you've already seen some.
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0:24 - 0:26You didn't know that
this was called a blob in the wilderness -
0:26 - 0:29and that it often lives in the undergrowth.
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0:29 - 0:32So these are big yellow masses
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0:32 - 0:34in the trees.
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0:34 - 0:37A blob can take on any color.
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0:37 - 0:39It can be pink, red, blue,
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0:39 - 0:42oftentimes yellow, and also, white.
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0:42 - 0:46But the blob's most distinctive feature,
is that it's huge. How big? -
0:47 - 0:51Well, a blob is big,
it can be up to 10 square meters, -
0:51 - 0:54although we haven't really managed
to grow them any bigger, but they could. -
0:54 - 0:58So let's imagine that I am 2 m².
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0:58 - 1:03In my body, there are approximately
100 billion cells. -
1:03 - 1:07They are all 10 micrometers wide.
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1:07 - 1:12Here, you see a blob. Do you know
how many cells? It's a single cell. -
1:12 - 1:14So you see, it's a single 10m² cell.
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1:14 - 1:18Actually, if you compare one
of my little cells to the blob's cell -- -
1:18 - 1:21that would be like comparing
my fist to the Earth. -
1:21 - 1:24So that's the order of magnitude.
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1:24 - 1:29And what's even scarier with the blob,
is that it moves. -
1:29 - 1:32So of course, when I said
that you'd seen it before, -
1:32 - 1:34you'd have to get out of the city,
into the woods. -
1:34 - 1:36but obviously, this is an accelerated video.
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1:36 - 1:39You've never seen it cross a road.
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1:39 - 1:42In fact, a blob moves at a rate
of about one centimeter an hour. -
1:42 - 1:44Four centimeters an hour,
if it's really hungry. -
1:44 - 1:47Remember that what you're seeing here
is just a single cell. -
1:47 - 1:51Because it's a single cell,
this one cell serves all functions: -
1:51 - 1:56the function of the eye, the nose,
the ear, the stomach, the lungs, etc. -
1:57 - 2:01But I still haven't told you what a blob is.
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2:01 - 2:05Imagine that in Texas someone asked
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2:05 - 2:08that very same question
when she found it in her garden. -
2:08 - 2:11In Texas a lady found a huge
yellow mass in her garden -
2:11 - 2:14and asked, "But what is it?"
She immediately thought it was an alien. -
2:14 - 2:18So she called the fire brigade
who set fire to the blob, -
2:18 - 2:22she called the police, who shot it,
and the next day, imagine her surprise -
2:22 - 2:24when she saw it was twice as big.
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2:25 - 2:29So that's how – you know about
Unidentified Flying Objects, UFO's – -
2:29 - 2:33and this is how the UCO came into being,
the Unidentified Crawling Object. -
2:33 - 2:36This kind of stories obviously feeds
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2:36 - 2:40the imagination of film-makers
and I don't know if you've heard -
2:40 - 2:43about the movie "The Blob"
with Steve McQueen. -
2:43 - 2:45Let me show you a clip.
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2:49 - 2:53Dave, Doc Hallen's been killed!
Doc Hallen? What happened? -
2:53 - 2:54I don't know what it is,
but you've gotta come now! -
2:54 - 2:59Well wait a minute Steve, tell us what's happened.
Well I'm trying to tell you! This thing has killed the Doc! -
2:59 - 3:03But what was it? Out with it, kid!
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3:03 - 3:08Well it's kinda like a ... kinda like a mass
that keeps getting bigger and bigger! -
3:08 - 3:11[Beware of]
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3:11 - 3:13["The BLOB!"]
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3:13 - 3:18Everyone of you watching this screen,
look out, because soon, very soon, -
3:18 - 3:21the most horrifying monster menace
ever conceived -
3:21 - 3:23will be oozing into this theater!
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3:23 - 3:26[Run – don't walk!]
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3:26 - 3:29[From "The BLOB!"]
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3:31 - 3:34[It crawls!]
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3:36 - 3:40[It creeps!]
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3:40 - 3:45[It eats you alive!]
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3:45 - 3:49Starring Steve McQueen
and a cast of exciting young people! -
3:49 - 3:51[Get set... it's coming soon!]
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3:51 - 3:58["The Blob"]
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3:58 - 4:00Now, let me reassure you,
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4:00 - 4:02the Blob isn't going to eat you today.
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4:02 - 4:07In fact, we call the blob by a scientific name
whcih is much less appealing: -
4:07 - 4:12slime mold, or myxomycete - which comes
from the Greek for sticky mushroom. -
4:12 - 4:13But let me stop you right there.
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4:13 - 4:15The blob is not a mushroom.
The blob is not a plant, -
4:15 - 4:20the blob is not an animal. In fact,
it has the properties of all three at once. -
4:20 - 4:23A little bit animal, a litle bit plant,
and a little bit mushroom. -
4:23 - 4:25We couldn't really classify it.
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4:25 - 4:27Therefore, we put it in a family
where they put the hodgepodge of biology, -
4:27 - 4:31when nobody knows what it is,
we put it in a family called protists. -
4:31 - 4:33So the blob has been put in with the protists.
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4:33 - 4:36There are a thousand different species of blob.
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4:36 - 4:38Looking at ourselves, at our own species,
Homo sapiens sapiens, -
4:38 - 4:39there's only one.
There's only one species of mankind. -
4:39 - 4:41All the others have disappeared.
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4:41 - 4:43With the blobs there are
a thousand species of different blobs. -
4:43 - 4:48You see, that's why they differ
in color, shape, etc. -
4:48 - 4:53In fact, with the blob, like the butterfly,
there's a Jekyll and Hyde effect. -
4:53 - 4:55You have a caterpillar, often not very pretty,
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4:55 - 5:00which often results in an extremely pretty butterfly.
It's a bit like that with the blob. -
5:00 - 5:03You see a not-very-appetizing mass -
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5:03 - 5:06it isn't very pretty to see, a blob.
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5:06 - 5:10However, during its reproductive period
it shows these magnificent iridescent spores -
5:10 - 5:12that people collect.
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5:13 - 5:16Reproduction, everybody has heard
of reproduction. -
5:16 - 5:20We're all adults, so that happens
between a male and a female. -
5:20 - 5:22That is, in the simplest of cases.
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5:22 - 5:25With plants, animals, mushrooms,
there's always a male and a female. -
5:25 - 5:29Of course, there are hermaphroditic animals,
we won't go into this kind of detail, -
5:29 - 5:30but it remains, male and female.
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5:31 - 5:35Blobs have 221 different sexes.
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5:35 - 5:38You don't have a male and a female,
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5:38 - 5:40so that, when you enter a room,
you could say -
5:40 - 5:42you have 50% chance of reproducing.
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5:42 - 5:45When the blob comes into a room,
it has a 99.5% chance of finding -
5:45 - 5:47someone of the opposite sex.
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5:47 - 5:49Not bad at all!
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5:50 - 5:53In fact, you could say that
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5:53 - 5:56the blob is kind of the teen myxomycete.
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5:56 - 5:59That is, before getting to reproduction,
making spores, -
5:59 - 6:01what does it have to do, like a teen?
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6:01 - 6:02It has to eat, to fatten up so as to
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6:02 - 6:05produce the maximum amount of spores.
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6:05 - 6:08You'll tell me: since it doesn't eat humans,
what does it eat, this blob? -
6:08 - 6:13Well, it eats mushrooms.
And again I can reassure you, -
6:13 - 6:15this is accelerated,
it doesn't eat mushrooms in a single minute. -
6:15 - 6:18It will take the blob roughly an hour
to eat a mushroom. -
6:18 - 6:23You see it covering the mushrooms
and completely engulf them. -
6:23 - 6:26Nothing remains of the mushroom
after the blob has passed. -
6:26 - 6:31In fact, it absorbs the mushrooms
into the interior of its body where, they are digested. -
6:32 - 6:36Here you see the little mushroom
disappearing very quickly - -
6:36 - 6:39it's a bit scary.
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6:40 - 6:44Of course, in our lab we don't have
the luxury of being able to have -- -
6:44 - 6:47and grow -- a lot of mushrooms.
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6:47 - 6:51So, what we're giving our blob --
and someone from Japan -
6:51 - 6:52discovered this in the sixties --
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6:52 - 6:56the blob loves oatmeal.
You should know that a blob around this size -
6:56 - 7:00eats about a kilo of oatmeal a week.
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7:00 - 7:02That's still quite substantial,
we spend a fortune on oatmeal, -
7:02 - 7:06but still, we spend less
than if we were producing mushrooms. -
7:06 - 7:09Second question: since it's a living organism,
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7:09 - 7:12you'd expect that the blob -- like any other animal,
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7:12 - 7:16plant, or mushroom --
would die, at a certain point. -
7:16 - 7:20The blob is immortal!
In fact, there are two things the blob doesn't like: -
7:20 - 7:23it doesn't like light
and it doesn't like being hungry. -
7:23 - 7:27So when it finds itself in those situations
that are dangerous for it, what does it do? -
7:27 - 7:32It dries out. It forms a completely dry structure
that we call a sclerotium. -
7:32 - 7:37And that sclerotium can stay like that for years.
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7:37 - 7:41So if one day, you're fed up
with feeding your laboratory blob, -
7:41 - 7:43because you'd like to go on holiday,
you just leave it to dry. -
7:43 - 7:46You put it in a cupboard,
come back two weeks later, -
7:46 - 7:48splash some water on it
and off it goes again. -
7:48 - 7:52What's fascinating with the blob,
is that you can cut it into pieces, -
7:52 - 7:53into tiny pieces.
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7:53 - 7:55In fact it holds a record --
suppose you were to cut -
7:55 - 7:58any organ at all in two,
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7:58 - 8:01you would bleed, and it'll take a long time to heal.
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8:01 - 8:04The blob has a healing time of two minutes!
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8:04 - 8:06That is, if you cut a piece off the blob, set it aside,
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8:06 - 8:10in two minutes, it's as if nothing ever happened.
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8:11 - 8:13Once you cut the blob up,
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8:13 - 8:14and put the pieces side by side, what will they do?
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8:14 - 8:17They will form a new blob.
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8:17 - 8:22So it's important that you know,
when growing blob in a lab, when it grows, -
8:22 - 8:24when you see it, say, in the evening
and then again the next morning, -
8:24 - 8:29it's doubled in size.
It grows exponentially. -
8:29 - 8:32Every day, you'll double
the amount of blob in your lab. -
8:34 - 8:36So of course the next question,
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8:36 - 8:40now that we know it's immortal, has 221 sexes, etc.
is -- but is it intelligent, this blob? -
8:40 - 8:43Is it worthy of real study?
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8:43 - 8:45So first of all -- what is intelligence?
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8:45 - 8:47Intelligence is the ability to solve problems.
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8:47 - 8:51So, we're going to give the blob
some problems, and -
8:51 - 8:55see if it has any solutions
to these problems. -
8:55 - 8:59The first problem we gave the blob,
was with a Japanese team. -
8:59 - 9:01It's a labyrinth problem.
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9:01 - 9:03What we did was,
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9:03 - 9:06we put lots of pieces of blob in the labyrinth
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9:06 - 9:09and the blob had to get out of the labyrinth.
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9:16 - 9:17You can see here
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9:17 - 9:20that all the little blobs have fused together,
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9:20 - 9:23covering the labyrinth,
and you see very quickly, in fact, -
9:23 - 9:28in the experiment, that it succeeds
in finding the way out of the labyrinth. -
9:30 - 9:34Next, we gave it a more human problem.
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9:34 - 9:38We made a couple of miniature maps of Japan.
This is a map of Japan. -
9:38 - 9:43And what you can see here, is that we have put
a little blob in Tokyo. -
9:43 - 9:48And all these little points here,
are in fact little oatmeal flakes, -
9:48 - 9:51that represent the cities around Tokyo.
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9:51 - 9:56So we asked the blob to join
all of these little food sources, -
9:56 - 9:58so it could eat in the most efficient way.
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9:58 - 10:02We looked at the network
that it formed at the end. -
10:02 - 10:05I've got a little movie here -- you'll see.
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10:05 - 10:07The blob grows, like it always does
when you put it somewhere, -
10:07 - 10:10the first thing it does, it tries to escape.
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10:10 - 10:12So you see here
that it connects the oatmeal flakes, -
10:12 - 10:14and once it's in contact with an oatmeal flake,
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10:14 - 10:18it sends out a vein in order to circulate
the nutrients in the organism. -
10:18 - 10:22So it's going to connect all the little flakes.
Next, we analyze -
10:22 - 10:26the network of veins formed by the blob,
and we compare it to the railway network -
10:26 - 10:30made by the Japanese.
It took 50 years to make this railway network. -
10:30 - 10:33And we compare
if the network made by the blob -
10:33 - 10:36is more effective
than the man-made railway network. -
10:36 - 10:39Well, figure this, it is much more effective
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10:39 - 10:41this network produced by the blob in 24 hours!
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10:41 - 10:45How to measure network effectiveness?
Simple, for example, -
10:45 - 10:48for this city, what is the shortest route?
Alternatively, when I cut -
10:48 - 10:50a link, can I make a detour?
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10:50 - 10:52That is how we measure a network.
We looked at -
10:52 - 10:55the effectiveness of the network
produced by the blob. -
10:55 - 10:59It was much more effective
than the railway network built by the Japanese. -
11:01 - 11:03Another question arose in our laboratories.
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11:03 - 11:07Working on nutrition, we say,
"Ok, the blob is smart, it can make networks, -
11:07 - 11:10but does it know how to eat properly?"
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11:10 - 11:14We know very well that humans, when faced –
when we go to the supermarket, we take a little -
11:14 - 11:18food, a bit of protein, a little sugar
and normally -
11:18 - 11:21we should take a diet which is optimal
for our survival and our health. -
11:21 - 11:25However, often, we don't succeed very well.
It can be seen in many animals -
11:25 - 11:28we tend to find these tendencies for,
for example, obesity a lot. -
11:28 - 11:31Therefore we wondered
if the blob was able, -
11:31 - 11:34if we proposed a lot of diets
that would appeal to its taste, -
11:34 - 11:36would it be able to choose the best
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11:36 - 11:38for its survival and its health?
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11:38 - 11:43So here you see food pellets
that are characterized by a certain proportion -
11:43 - 11:45of sugar and protein.
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11:45 - 11:48And one of these tablets is good
for the blobs health and survival. -
11:48 - 11:53When we deposit a blob in the middle
of this device, we saw that -
11:53 - 11:56in 100% of the cases,
it chose the correctly adjusted diet. -
11:56 - 11:58It is never wrong.
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12:00 - 12:04Often when we talk about intelligence,
we want to go a little further. -
12:04 - 12:08Memory is often mentioned,
because intelligence is also the ability to learn. -
12:08 - 12:13Good the blob, it has a small problem.
It doesn't have a brain. -
12:13 - 12:15Often for memory, there must be a brain.
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12:15 - 12:20The solution it found,
it is to have not internal but external memory. -
12:20 - 12:25You see, whenever the blob moves,
it leaves behind this trail of mucus. -
12:25 - 12:30In fact, it is like the ghost of the blob
one hour before. -
12:30 - 12:34The blob was here, it found nothing,
it has repatriated all of its equipment, -
12:34 - 12:37and then it went exploring
the other side of the box. -
12:37 - 12:41This mucus that it leaves behind,
it's like a memory. -
12:41 - 12:46So the blob knows it's already been here
and there's nothing there. It won't go over the mucus again. -
12:46 - 12:50That's quite an extraordinary technique,
because imagine you don't have eyes, -
12:50 - 12:54like the blob, no ears,
you have nothing and you're plunged -
12:54 - 12:56in a dark room, and you have to find,
for example, a red ball. -
12:56 - 13:01Imagine how many times you return to the same spot,
when you're plunged into darkness. -
13:01 - 13:04The blob doesn't have this problem.
It leaves mucus behind, -
13:04 - 13:06it will never go to the same place twice,
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13:06 - 13:10it'll find the ball faster than you, surely.
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13:10 - 13:11And so –
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13:11 - 13:15We posed it a problem
that is often encountered in robotics, -
13:15 - 13:19that's the U-shaped trap.
So, imagine yourself -
13:19 - 13:23in this situation, you are in a dark room
and there is a white light in front of you, -
13:23 - 13:26and you have to reach the light.
But you are immersed in the dark, -
13:26 - 13:29and in front of you, there is an obstacle,
a wall that you can not see. -
13:29 - 13:33So, the first thing you'll do is go right,
and in fact, fall in the trap -
13:33 - 13:36here, and you will need to get around the wall
to get out and go toward the light. -
13:36 - 13:40It is not very easy to implement, for example.
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13:40 - 13:43So we asked the blob to do the same task.
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13:43 - 13:46So here you have its wall and here
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13:46 - 13:50there's no light, as it has no eyes.
It had to find something else. -
13:50 - 13:53So we have tried to lure it by a droplet of sugar
because it loves sugar a lot. -
13:53 - 13:56So here's what happened.
Here you see that -
13:56 - 14:00it moves pretty quickly, it explores its environment,
it falls into the trap. -
14:00 - 14:04But you will see
that it'll get out of the trap very fast -
14:04 - 14:08and actually join the droplet of sugar water.
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14:08 - 14:12So we thought that it was really this memory
of the environment that it used. -
14:12 - 14:16To test it, we did the same experiment,
but this time, -
14:16 - 14:20as you see here, we fully covered
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14:20 - 14:23the ground on which it moves with mucus,
to make it believe that it -
14:23 - 14:26already explored the entire environment.
So in fact it was -
14:26 - 14:29confused at the level of its memory,
because it thought it had explored everywhere. -
14:29 - 14:34So here is what is happening.
Already you see it's growing -
14:34 - 14:36much slower. It does not understand,
then goes a bit in all directions. -
14:36 - 14:39It's not really going towards the sugar,
it falls into the trap, -
14:39 - 14:43and you'll see here in fact
that it will stay stuck -
14:43 - 14:46in this trap.
So it is the use of this mucus -
14:46 - 14:52that makes that the blob can get out of the trap
and has a memory of its environment. -
14:54 - 14:58The last thing to know about the blobs,
which is quite extraordinary, -
14:58 - 15:01is – it always has this single cell,
it's brainless; -
15:01 - 15:05well, this single brainless cell
also has a personality. -
15:05 - 15:09I was searching for blobs in Australia,
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15:09 - 15:13the United States, and Japan
and I've compared them. -
15:13 - 15:15They are of the same species,
it is the same animal, -
15:15 - 15:19but it is not an animal, the same protist.
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15:19 - 15:22And we compared how they evolved
in given surroundings. -
15:22 - 15:26You see, it's a box, we look at
how they explore their environment. -
15:26 - 15:29So here you have the Australian,
American and Japanese. -
15:29 - 15:32See that the Japanese is already off
to explore its environment, -
15:32 - 15:36the Australian doesn't do a lot
and the American forms these little fingers. -
15:36 - 15:40It explores its environment.
This one is very, very quick to explore its environment -
15:40 - 15:44while the Australian is very slow,
takes its time, and the American -
15:44 - 15:46has a new strategy,
which is to send arms everywhere. -
15:46 - 15:51And so we said, it's funny because,
finally, the Japanese is a lot -
15:51 - 15:54more effective, because it explores
its environment very quickly. -
15:54 - 15:55But suddenly, they were given tasks.
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15:56 - 15:59For example,
they had two options to choose from. -
15:59 - 16:02Option 1 is a good option,
option 2 is a bad option. -
16:02 - 16:04For example it can be a source of food
that is good -
16:04 - 16:07and a source of food that is bad.
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16:07 - 16:09The Japanese really wasn't good
at these kind of tasks -
16:09 - 16:13because it went at top speed,
so half the time, it was mistaken. -
16:13 - 16:17The Australian, who took its time
to explore its environment, was never wrong -
16:17 - 16:20and was always going for the best option.
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16:20 - 16:24The experiment that you'd want to do,
obviously, is to mingle the blobs -
16:24 - 16:27and put them together.
What would an American do with an Australian, -
16:27 - 16:32or a Japanese?
Of course, that's what we did. -
16:32 - 16:36But first we put them with each other,
two Americans together, -
16:36 - 16:40two Australians together,
two Japanese together. -
16:40 - 16:43and they were given a food source.
And we looked at what they were doing. -
16:43 - 16:47So the blob has two options.
Either it will go see its friend -
16:47 - 16:50or it goes to the food.
What we saw with the American -
16:50 - 16:52is that one went to the food very fast
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16:52 - 16:54and the other which avoided it completely,
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16:54 - 16:57which didn't want to touch the other blob at all.
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16:57 - 16:59The Australian has a very cuddly side, which is:
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16:59 - 17:04"Ah, me, I'm going to see my friend first
and then together we will go to the food." -
17:04 - 17:06So the first thing two Australians do
when they are together, -
17:06 - 17:09It is to merge, to form a single blob.
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17:09 - 17:13The Japanese, it is,
"We go to the food first, but we share." -
17:13 - 17:18Therefore, it is quite sharing.
The American, no sharing at all. -
17:18 - 17:20So of course we did mixed experiments.
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17:20 - 17:23You should know that the Australian,
when you put it with a Japanese or an American, -
17:23 - 17:24It is still as cuddly.
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17:24 - 17:28He runs them after trying to form a blob.
Others shun him. -
17:29 - 17:33If you put an American with a Japanese,
the American kills the Japanese. -
17:34 - 17:37In fact, the American, merges with the Japanese
and kills it and it takes everything that's there -
17:37 - 17:41in its cell, all nutrients, etc.,
and it leaves -
17:41 - 17:45behind him a completely soft blob.
As if it's not completely immortal. -
17:45 - 17:52So, lastly, regarding their personality,
a little lab anecdote. -
17:52 - 17:54Often, the laboratory bought the oatmeal
at the supermarket. -
17:54 - 17:57Once, I said to myself,
"Hey, there's organic oatmeal, -
17:57 - 17:59it might be nicer for the growth of the blob."
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17:59 - 18:01So I bought big buckets of organic oatmeal.
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18:01 - 18:06And I feed my three blobs with organic oats.
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18:06 - 18:11The Australian feasts, the Japanese feasts,
the American didn't eat any organic! -
18:13 - 18:15It will only eat the oatmeal purchased
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18:15 - 18:16at the supermarket.
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18:18 - 18:23So, you are going to ask, is it ever going
to invade the world, this blob -
18:23 - 18:30that's so smart? Well, I will reply
that it already has, for 500 million years. -
18:30 - 18:32Thank you for your attention.
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18:32 - 18:36(Applause)
- Title:
- The Blob, a Brainless Intelligence? Fiction or Reality: Audrey Dussutour at TEDxToulouse
- Description:
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Audrey Dussutour, researcher at the CNRS in Toulouse, France, presents her work on myxomycetes, the slime molds more commonly called blobs. Are blobs simple happily colored mushrooms or dangerous and intelligent aliens, ready to devour anything that comes in their way?
- Video Language:
- French
- Team:
- closed TED
- Project:
- TEDxTalks
- Duration:
- 18:40