Gay marriage rights inequalities in America | Nadine Smith | TEDxTampaBay
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0:00 - 0:02Thank you.
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0:03 - 0:04Thank you very much.
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0:04 - 0:06You know, it's tax time,
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0:06 - 0:09and so, I've been thinking a lot
about my wedding day. -
0:09 - 0:13It was just two years ago, in August,
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0:13 - 0:17and we were in Burlington,
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0:17 - 0:21on what was the most beautiful day.
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0:21 - 0:23Our wedding was
at the Quaker Meeting House, -
0:23 - 0:28and the flowers were in bloom,
and the weather was perfect. -
0:28 - 0:31And as my father walked me down the aisle,
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0:31 - 0:36we were surrounded
by my closest friends, my family. -
0:36 - 0:41My niece was the flower girl,
my nephew was the ring bearer. -
0:41 - 0:44It was a gorgeous, gorgeous day.
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0:44 - 0:48My mother-in-law, when we had told her
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0:48 - 0:51six months earlier
that we were going to get married, -
0:51 - 0:53she sprung into action, she was fantastic.
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0:53 - 0:56I don't think a wedding
has ever been planned as swiftly, -
0:56 - 0:59cake, caterer, location.
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0:59 - 1:02And even though my fiancée
and I were head over heels, -
1:02 - 1:05we said, "You know what?
We're going to be reasonable people. -
1:05 - 1:09We're not going to, you know,
lose our minds." -
1:09 - 1:11I didn't want to be a "bridezilla."
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1:11 - 1:13So, we said, "We're going
to keep this thing affordable, -
1:13 - 1:16it'll be an intimate gathering."
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1:16 - 1:19And we both made that commitment.
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1:19 - 1:24So, I'm not sure how we got
from that modest assessment -
1:24 - 1:26of what our wedding would be like
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1:26 - 1:29to deciding, "Yes, we actually do need
to rent the top deck -
1:29 - 1:33of the Spirit of Ethan Allen
for the sunshine cruise of Lake Champlain. -
1:33 - 1:35(Laughter)
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1:35 - 1:39But I'm very glad that we did,
because it really was -
1:39 - 1:43just an absolutely perfect way
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1:43 - 1:45to end the best day of my life.
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1:45 - 1:49And of the hundreds of pictures
that were taken that day, -
1:49 - 1:53the one that really, for me,
captures the joy and the excitement -
1:53 - 2:00of entering this new married chapter
of my life with my wife Andrea -
2:00 - 2:03is this one -
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2:05 - 2:06- that I can't get.
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2:06 - 2:09(Laughter)
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2:09 - 2:10So, I'll tell you about it.
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2:10 - 2:13Here we were, emerging from the clearing,
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2:13 - 2:16right after the wedding ceremony.
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2:16 - 2:19And we were just so thrilled.
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2:19 - 2:24And I love to say "my wife Andrea."
I love to say it. -
2:24 - 2:27I love to say it because, as a gay person,
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2:27 - 2:30the nomenclature's always
been a challenge. -
2:30 - 2:34You know, "girlfriend"
sounds too juvenile, right? -
2:35 - 2:40What are the others?
"Life partner" sounds very formal. -
2:40 - 2:44"Significant other" sounds clinical.
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2:44 - 2:49Right? And then, you've got "lover,"
that just sounds too much, too - -
2:49 - 2:50(Laughter)
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2:50 - 2:52- too European.
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2:52 - 2:56But one "wife," "spouse," and "husband,"
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2:56 - 3:00these words have
pretty near a universal meaning. -
3:00 - 3:04When you hear somebody
introduce their spouse, -
3:04 - 3:11you know right away
that this is the person who is most dear, -
3:11 - 3:14this is the person who has
that special, permanent place -
3:14 - 3:17in your heart and in your life.
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3:17 - 3:23And yet, where and when
I declare Andrea as my wife -
3:23 - 3:25places me in jeopardy.
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3:25 - 3:28Now, I'm not talking about
physical jeopardy, -
3:28 - 3:31even though gay people more
often experience -
3:33 - 3:35hate crimes.
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3:35 - 3:39And when hate crimes are inflicted,
they're usually the most violent category. -
3:39 - 3:45I'm not talking about that; I'm not even
talking about economic discrimination, -
3:45 - 3:47because it's significant.
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3:47 - 3:55As a matter of fact, The New York Times
did a study that calculated essentially -
3:55 - 3:58that, compared to their
hetorosexual counterparts, -
3:58 - 4:03gay couples could expect
to basically be docked -
4:03 - 4:08more than 450,000 dollars
in their lifetime -
4:08 - 4:12in taxes, benefits that we do not get.
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4:12 - 4:16So, it's significant,
but I'm not actually talking about that. -
4:16 - 4:19I'm talking about actual legal jeopardy.
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4:19 - 4:22So, it's tax time and I'm thinking
about my wedding -
4:22 - 4:28because the form that the government
provides us to fill out at tax time -
4:28 - 4:34requires, under penalty of perjury,
that we identify our marital status, -
4:34 - 4:39but if I check that box as "married," -
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4:39 - 4:43and this is my wedding certificate,
my marriage certificate - -
4:43 - 4:46if I check that box and say,
"Yes, I am married," -
4:47 - 4:52the federal government says that I can
face penalties, criminal penalties, -
4:52 - 4:57financial penalties, for stating
what is simply true about my life. -
4:57 - 5:03It's a circumstance that tens of thousands
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5:03 - 5:07of legally married gay people
face every tax season. -
5:08 - 5:12You know, Massachusetts became the first
state where gay people could marry, -
5:12 - 5:17but since then, all across our country
and all across the world, -
5:17 - 5:20gay people have been marrying
in jurisdictions and countries, -
5:20 - 5:24and what it presents is a choice
that you have to make -
5:24 - 5:30between telling the truth
or following the law. -
5:30 - 5:34And it's even more complicated than that.
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5:34 - 5:38There was recently a report
on a campaign that we launched, -
5:38 - 5:41called "Refuse to Lie,"
because what we realized -
5:41 - 5:44was there were lots of people
in the same situation -
5:44 - 5:46that Andrea and I were facing.
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5:46 - 5:49For the very first time,
as a legally married couple, -
5:49 - 5:54we were facing that document and trying
to decide what we were going to do. -
5:55 - 5:59And, thinking back on that amazing day,
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6:00 - 6:06we could not conclude that we would
take an action that would erase it, -
6:06 - 6:10that would call that day a lie.
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6:10 - 6:15And this is a conversation that we've been
having with people across the country, -
6:15 - 6:19and increasingly, people are making
that same decision, -
6:19 - 6:23because it is a lie to say
that I'm not married. -
6:23 - 6:27And the reason the government
wants to compel me to mark "single" -
6:27 - 6:30is because the government
wants to discriminate -
6:30 - 6:32without getting its hands dirty.
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6:32 - 6:37The Congress passed a law
called Defense of Marriage Act, -
6:37 - 6:43and basically, the Defense of Marriage Act
says that while I may be legally married - -
6:43 - 6:49in Vermont, in Massachusetts, in Iowa,
in South Africa, in Canada, in Mexico, -
6:49 - 6:53in Argentina, in The Netherlands,
in Belgium, all across the country, -
6:53 - 6:56I actually have to check
my longitude and latitude -
6:56 - 7:00to know which rights I have
at any given moment - -
7:00 - 7:04but the government says,
"We aren't going to recognize you. -
7:04 - 7:10So you have to erase your spouse.
You have to make your family invisible." -
7:11 - 7:17And often times when we talk
about the marriage issue, -
7:17 - 7:20there's a number that comes up.
It's called 1,138. -
7:20 - 7:23It's the number of rights
that automatically accrue -
7:23 - 7:25when people get married.
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7:25 - 7:28Now, most of us, most people in here
who are married, -
7:28 - 7:32couldn't probably recite
those 1,138 rights. -
7:32 - 7:35If you can, then raise you hand.
Let me know. (Laughter) -
7:35 - 7:38But you don't have to think about it.
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7:38 - 7:44There is power in the word "marriage",
because it is a commonly understood way -
7:44 - 7:48of telling who somebody is to you.
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7:48 - 7:52And with that word comes a kind of power.
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7:52 - 7:59If you rush to the emergency room and say,
"My significant other's in there," -
8:00 - 8:02you might get in;
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8:02 - 8:05"my wife," people don't say,
"Wait, wait a second. -
8:05 - 8:08Let me see your marriage certificate,
your power of attorney, -
8:08 - 8:11let me see these documents
that give you authorization." -
8:11 - 8:14It's a universally understood way
of communicating -
8:14 - 8:18the urgency of you being there,
by their bedside, holding their hand, -
8:18 - 8:20at the most desperate hour.
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8:20 - 8:23That's why the word matters.
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8:23 - 8:26The rights are important,
but in Burlington, -
8:26 - 8:31on that August day, in summer,
I wasn't thinking about 1,138 rights. -
8:31 - 8:35I was thinking about this person,
this amazing person, -
8:35 - 8:41who has agreed to take
this journey with me, this life with me, -
8:41 - 8:44and we made this vow
that we would care for each other -
8:44 - 8:48in sickness and in health,
in good times and bad, -
8:48 - 8:51if we're richer
and definitely if we're poor. -
8:52 - 8:54That's why we got married.
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8:55 - 8:59And it is one thing to deny
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8:59 - 9:03those 1,138 legal protections
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9:03 - 9:06that make it harder for me
to take care of my loved one, -
9:06 - 9:08to take care of my family,
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9:08 - 9:12but it's another to add insult
to that injury, -
9:12 - 9:16and to tell me I have to erase her,
I have to sign a document, -
9:16 - 9:19swear that it's the truth
and put my name on it. -
9:19 - 9:25So, across the country, the tens
of thousands of legally married gay people -
9:25 - 9:28are saying, "We're not willing
to do this anymore." -
9:28 - 9:31Now, it's not something
that everyone is going to do. -
9:31 - 9:35The reality is that we don't know
what the legal ramifications will be. -
9:35 - 9:39If you go to a tax preparer -
we've actually heard of tax preparers -
9:39 - 9:46firing their gay clients because the laws
are too Byzantine and unfathomable. -
9:46 - 9:48And The New York Times actually
contacted the IRS -
9:48 - 9:50to ask them to explain more clearly
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9:50 - 9:52what would happen
to gay couples who did this, -
9:52 - 9:57and they said, "We can't tell you, really.
And we're not going to clarify." -
9:57 - 10:01So, I liken it to being blindfolded
and put on a tightrope, -
10:01 - 10:05and you don't know whether it's
4 inches off the ground or 400 feet. -
10:05 - 10:08But I do know that there are
more and more people -
10:08 - 10:12willing to risk
whatever that risk might be. -
10:13 - 10:15We are refusing to lie.
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10:15 - 10:19And that's the name of the campaign
that a small network of grassroots people -
10:19 - 10:22just launched, "refusetolie.org,"
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10:22 - 10:26and we think of it in part
[as] a call to action, -
10:26 - 10:29but we realized that there are
a lot of people who can't do this. -
10:29 - 10:31A good friend of mine,
Kate Kendall, and her wife -
10:31 - 10:35are going to actually pay
5,000 dollars more -
10:35 - 10:40for the ability to mark the box
correctly as married. -
10:40 - 10:42It's not about money,
it's not about those rights. -
10:42 - 10:48It's about the self-respect
of being able to say those words, -
10:48 - 10:51and never violate those vows.
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10:51 - 10:57So, "refusetolie.org" has become a place
where people can share their stories, -
10:57 - 11:00and the amazing thing to me is not only
the people who tell their stories and say, -
11:00 - 11:02"You know what? I've had enough.
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11:02 - 11:05I'm not going to mark a box
that erases my family." -
11:05 - 11:08It's also the people who say,
"You know what? -
11:08 - 11:11I wish a could,
but I'm not ready to take that step, -
11:11 - 11:15but I'm not going to ignore any longer
the knife in the gut -
11:15 - 11:20that comes to me
when I face those choices." -
11:20 - 11:23Now, tax day is an obvious one,
but there are other places. -
11:23 - 11:25I know of a gay couple
that went on their honey moon. -
11:26 - 11:28Anyone who's been through customs,
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11:28 - 11:30if you're a family,
you have to fill out one form; -
11:30 - 11:32if not, you have to fill out
separate forms -
11:32 - 11:35and go up individually.
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11:35 - 11:38And this couple,
returning from their honey moon, -
11:38 - 11:41filled with all of the joys
that you would expect -
11:41 - 11:45newly married people returning
from a great time away would feel. -
11:45 - 11:52And to be hit with the indignity
of being told, "You are not family. -
11:52 - 11:55You must fill out separate forms.
You cannot approach this podium together. -
11:55 - 12:00You cannot claim your spouse
at this moment." -
12:01 - 12:04You know, there's a famous quote.
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12:04 - 12:08I can't tell you what it is word for word,
but the essence of it is this, -
12:08 - 12:13that when great injustices rise before us,
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12:14 - 12:18it is a shared experience
and we rise together to fight it, -
12:19 - 12:25but when these daily indignities,
this death by a thousand cuts, occur, -
12:26 - 12:29individually they don't provoke
that same kind of outrage, -
12:29 - 12:31and we begin to accommodate them,
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12:31 - 12:38and we begin to accept them
and to numb ourselves to offense of them. -
12:38 - 12:42I grew up in a part of Florida called -
well, it's Panama City. -
12:42 - 12:46It's affectionately known
as the Redneck Riviera, (Laughter) -
12:46 - 12:50a badge of honor,
by folks who live there. -
12:50 - 12:53And, when I played basketball
in high school, -
12:53 - 12:57our bus would roll
through a particular neighborhood. -
12:57 - 13:03And we, the black students on the bus,
were told to slide down in our chairs, -
13:03 - 13:05in our seats,
because in this part of town, -
13:05 - 13:10a black face in the window
might actually get shot at. -
13:10 - 13:16Now, I remember thinking, "Why do we
have to accommodate their prejudice? -
13:16 - 13:20You know, shouldn't we have police escort?
Shouldn't something be done about it?" -
13:20 - 13:24And I could talk to my family,
and I could talk to other players, -
13:24 - 13:29and I could talk to African American
teachers. I had a network of support. -
13:29 - 13:32But when those same kinds of things
happened about gay people, -
13:32 - 13:35when anti-gay slurs
were hurled in my school, -
13:35 - 13:38they were as likely to come
from a teacher as from a student, -
13:38 - 13:41and there was no place to turn.
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13:41 - 13:44Those messages get internalized in ways
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13:44 - 13:48that allow us to just begin to think,
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13:48 - 13:52"Well, this isn't ideal,
but I can live with it." -
13:52 - 13:56My wife and I had dinner
in downtown Saint Petersburg, -
13:56 - 14:00and we were leaving a restaurant,
holding hands. It was a great night. -
14:00 - 14:03And we were window-shopping
at a little art store downtown, -
14:03 - 14:10and we heard a sort of boisterous noise
of young men making their way, -
14:10 - 14:13perhaps drunkenly, up the sidewalk.
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14:13 - 14:17And I remember Andrea stopped holding my
hand to point to something in the window, -
14:17 - 14:21and when she brought her hand
back down, she didn't take mine. -
14:21 - 14:25And I remember thinking,
"This happens a lot, -
14:25 - 14:28and I'm noticing it
for the first time right now." -
14:28 - 14:32And the other thing I thought was, "I'm so
relieved she wouldn't take my hand." -
14:32 - 14:36Because what it meant was I didn't have
to confront what was happening, -
14:36 - 14:39what was happening psychologically for us,
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14:39 - 14:44which was this beautiful night
was suddenly a night of fear. -
14:44 - 14:47We are disproportionately
the target of hate violence, -
14:47 - 14:49and when we are the target,
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14:49 - 14:53it is disproportionately
in the most violent category. -
14:53 - 14:55But we numb ourselves to it.
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14:55 - 14:58I don't know how many times
we've been in that same situation -
14:58 - 15:02where we just don't take
each other's hand again. -
15:02 - 15:07We quietly calculate the safety,
or lack of safety. -
15:07 - 15:13So, "Refuse to Lie"
is not just about taxes, -
15:13 - 15:16and it's not just about customs agents.
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15:16 - 15:19It's about remembering
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15:19 - 15:23to open our eyes
to those daily indignities; -
15:23 - 15:26to not become numb to them;
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15:26 - 15:28even in that moment
where we were fearful, -
15:28 - 15:32to say it out loud;
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15:32 - 15:35to not make it OK.
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15:36 - 15:40And so, my wife right now is in Vermont.
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15:40 - 15:44We are expecting a baby boy -
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15:45 - 15:47(Applause)
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15:47 - 15:50- any minute now.
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15:50 - 15:52So, it's amazing.
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15:52 - 15:56One of the things it does is make
you think about what kind of messages -
15:56 - 16:01you want to deliver to your child,
what kind of role model you want to be. -
16:01 - 16:07And as we prepare to fill out
our first tax form as a married couple, -
16:07 - 16:11these are the thoughts
that infuse our thinking. -
16:11 - 16:15And I want to teach my son honesty,
I want to teach him integrity, -
16:15 - 16:17I want teach him to stand up for himself,
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16:17 - 16:20I want to teach him
that he never has to accept -
16:20 - 16:22anything less than full equality,
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16:22 - 16:26and I want to show him, by our actions,
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16:26 - 16:29that it's important to refuse to lie,
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16:29 - 16:32even when it's your government
compelling you to do so. -
16:32 - 16:34Thank you very much.
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16:34 - 16:37(Applause)
- Title:
- Gay marriage rights inequalities in America | Nadine Smith | TEDxTampaBay
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This talk was given at a local TEDx event, produced independently of the TED Conferences.
In this talk, Nadine Smith highlights legal inequalities concerning same sex couples in the U.S.
She has been executive director of Equality Florida since its inception in 1997, and was executive director of its predecessor, the Human Rights Task Force of Florida, prior to that. She joined the organization in 1993, after serving as one of four national cochairs on the 1993 March on Washington and taking part in the historic, first-ever meeting between LGBT leaders and a sitting U.S. President, Clinton, in the White House.
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